Guild Wars 2

Ranger, an up-level, and then an ele. You chose your fight well…

Yes, how dare users want to play in WvW.

I’ve been gone for a week and I’m wondering if anet still hates us. Oh, I see that fresh air was already nerfed. Looks like “Yes”.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

DON’T GIVE IN TO THE TROLLS!
We’re fine as is. I don’t want to see more changes now that I finally got used to the most recent balance changes.

You’re the troll, troll. I’d love to see a video of your “fine” elementalist in current wvw. Until then, you are just trolling.

vinceftw.5086:

In WvW, thieves are godmode. And check my signature, I have one myself.

Godmode, AND incredibly easy to play. The only way I can have fun on my thief is by continually challenging zergs.

Benji.9203:

ARM.3912:

Cool story bro. I was just pointing out the difference between your and you’re.

Reading is fundamental

Thanks man. This is the kind of motivation I need to achieve my dream of becoming a world famous author. I really appreciate the love you have for my stories. Hopefully I’ll be able to dish out more that you’ll enjoy. As for the mistake….. You are absolutely right. Rookie mistake on my part (it happens to the best of us : ^ P). It’s nice to know someone isn’t afraid to critique (people these days just don’t have OP left ones). Thanks again man. My next book “Warriors are OP: The Words of ARM” will become a best seller I swear to you now.

“Warriors are OP: The Words of ARM” coming soon to a bookstore near you.

Edit: The title is subject to change. I might go with “Prophecy of ARM” instead. Feedback is appreciated.

The movie is actually titled “ARM, The Legend Revealed”. Check it out on youtube or grab the torrent.

Stay in school.

Benji.9203:

ARM.3912:

My left ones are too.

Hey man you said it. Warriors are the best class in pvp right now and from what you’ve told me you definitely know what you are talking about. I was just agreeing with you.

: ^ D

Cool story bro. I was just pointing out the difference between your and you’re.

Reading is fundamental

Benji.9203:

ARM.3912:

No, I’m just a player who knows what he is talking about.

Yeah………..
Your right warriors are OP in pvp………
Yeah……….
Yeah……….

My left ones are too.

Raven.9603:

ARM.3912:

Whoa whoa whoa! And why are bunkers not allowed to have RTL that works? And since when is there such a thing as a bunker anymore? No healing during mist form means NO elementalist is a bunker anymore.

This was already kind of beat to death in the thread “Conundrum”, about the exact same topic, still on the front page (cough OP cough).

Elementalists were being used as healing roamers. Essentially, they would RTL into a fight, healing ripple, dodge, trident, cleansing wave, and RTL back out. RTL is not effected by movement impairing effects, so there was no stopping it. In particular, this made 5 ele teams brokenly OP. It also effected WvW, because ele’s were “zerg breakers”, charging into a zerg, causing chaos, and RTL’ing back out.

Classes with similar or better mobility to the ele cannot heal group mates the way that ele can, and classes with similar or better mobility cannot “zerg break” because their escapes are effected by movement impairment (or in the thief’s case, they lack the fortitude).

Anet decided DPS roamers were okay but healing roamers were game breaking, so they reduced an ele’s ability to do it. It’s still very possible to do though.

It used to be that you would be on point A, RTL+run ~10 seconds to point B, heal, RTL out immediatly. With the nerf, you cant do that because of the 40sec CD. Even if you use it as an attack entry you are stuck there for 20 seconds instead of being able to bail.

I’m not saying I agree with Anets change (I think it was too harsh), but if you want it “reverted” you are going to have to keep the reasons why it was nerfed in the first place in mind when recommending changes. Anet isn’t going to lower the cooldown if they think healy-type ele’s will take it.

Guardian teleport+heal+dome makes that entire argument moot.

Benji.9203:

@Raven
I made a thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Ele-Discuss-Grandmaster-Air-Trait-RTL-fix/first#post1936619

This was like 2 months ago or something
It could still apply now but w/e
(maybe recharge air offhand skills when you crit slap on some internal cooldown good to go)

@ARM
The troll is strong with this one
: ^ 6

No, I’m just a player who knows what he is talking about. It would be nice if I was just a PvEr though. Man it would be sweet if I could have fun killing the same mobs over and over.

Raven.9603:

Instead of insulting everyone who says “you can’t just revert RTL,” how bout suggestions on how to implement an RTL cooldown reduction that would make it inaccessible to bunkers but still usable?

Whoa whoa whoa! And why are bunkers not allowed to have RTL that works? And since when is there such a thing as a bunker anymore? No healing during mist form means NO elementalist is a bunker anymore.

dagneyandleo.6378:

The other side to the Daphoenix example is the inexperienced, incompetent d/d ele a few months ago who could still escape when he was outplayed and outnumbered. In the meantime, Daphoenix is still coming up with viable, fun builds (see: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/Guide-Mastering-the-D-D-ele-5-12-12/page/16#post2363720). Even with nerfs, between RtL, Lightning Flash, Mist Form (sort of… I’d argue this was a MUCH bigger nerf than RtL), fire 3, and even Fiery Greatsword, you can STILL get away. Heck, this is Daphoenix post-nerf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGhPRMbmdA0. Skilled players can still wreak havoc post nerf.

Havoc? Laugh, Out, Loud. The only player he killed in that video was an up-leveled noob. On top of that, the enemies there were not looking for a fight. They were fluffy PvErs looking to do a jumping puzzle. I’d be shocked if they had their hotbars fully equiped.

dagneyandleo.6378:

I agree it’s not a worthwhile trait. Nobody uses if for a reason: the cooldown on RtL is comparatively minor in the long run. If a reduced cooldown was so incredibly important to people, they would spec for it and use ambient creatures to their advantage: 32 is bigger than 12, but 16 is much closer to 12 than 20 (or 32 or 40 if you don’t use your terrain). If the old RtL was the only thing that could make eles viable, people would jump to get even a bit of their old cd back. But they don’t, because it turns out there are other things in the eles arsenal that are more important.
…
ridiculous.

Ridiculous is right: By your logic, if stealth had a 40 second cooldown and thieves stopped using stealth it would be because stealth was worthless to begin with?

Your logic is flawed, and I’m not so sure you even play the game.

I don’t think the Floor Carpets should be paired with the server that hosts ARM. It clearly isnt fair.

dagneyandleo.6378:

Hint: Fluffy little ambient creatures are placed all throughout the map… Planning RtL around them can seriously increase your mobility by halving the cd. If you really really want the old cd, spec Aeromancer’s Alacrity. The capacity of most non-sPVP elementalists to complain without ever playing with non-standard builds astounds me.

Half the current cooldown is still twice what it used to be. Nubs who site some random minor trait as if no one ever tried it and think they discovered a holy grail astound me.

What’s a bigger number, 12 or 32?

When are you going to learn it is 0,25,0,15,30… and that the class is dead so there is no point build crafting anymore.

Raif.9507:

And you seem to misunderstand that the RTL nerf hurts not only the bunker but the rest of the class. If you want to hurt the bunker, you nerf the heals, not the mobility. The DPS version of the class NEEDS the mobility not to chase, but to disengage and NOT rely on a 3 minute cooldown on an elite to be able to get away.

This^. The class has to have some kind of defense, and with a bunker build it was heals and mobility that provided that defense. With a burst build it was just mobility that provided defense. So what did Anet do? They nerfed mobility 5 times, AND they nerfed healing. So buhbye to both ways to play an ele.

But don’t worry guys, you can buy new starfish food with gems and that 30 points into every stat will make it all better… tx anet!

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

sinzer.4018:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

sinzer.4018:

I can’t really take the complaints about ele nerfs seriously tbh. Even after the nerfs i’d still rather play my ele over my warrior. It’s far more forgiving.

Then you are VERY bad at playing a warrior. That’s the best class in the game by far.

in easy mode pve…….

wvwvw and pvp are a different beast

Ive never pved in my life.

I’d advise you to create a thread in the warrior forum about how awesome they are in pvp. It’ll be hilarious.

I am probably a terrible player but then that kinda backs up my statement that eles are more forgiving when you make a mistake especially considering my warrior was my first profession and it’s got the most playtime.

warriors have too many threads about how blind and about anet love they recieve. Naw, feels little depressing i cannot harness the powerful warrior in pvp.

I want some videos. If ARM say they are in a good place, we can all learn from him. I feel like his non reply means he is super good and hiding a special power

I don’t have any videos proving how badly you play your warrior. The fact that you think that class is bad is all the proof that is needed.

i agree, that I am pretty bad as a warrior but I wanna learn from the master. may I see videos of you playing a warrior ARM in pvp?

No, but you can transfer to any server GOM is fighting and you can challenge my warrior with your ele… ill post that video.

not interested, i never claim that i am a skilled ele. you will probably win because i am trying to theory craft very odd builds for the engineer. Until the class settles down, i might play the class again
i am a type of person that forgets how to play a class.

There is no probably to it. Hence the thread.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

If you meet a good thief; y’r dead
If you meet a good engineer: y’r dead
If you meet a good necromancer: y’r dead
If you meet a good warrior: y’r dead
If you meet a good Guardian: ’y’r dead’
If you meet a good ranger who hasn’t even equiped any traits: RUN!!! or die…
Good mesmers can be tough but once you get down to their light armor and they’ve burned through their healing and condi removal they’re easy. (do dodge the shatters)

If you fight against more than 1 at a time you die the moment your mistform runs out.
We can’t run away from any fights anymore. I’ve tried with everything I had (including FGS, lightning flash, Mistform….)

End of the day:
We only win against noobs and only in a 1v1 we lose in every other fight always with no option of running away; all we can do is die.

Perfect summary of the garbage class anet has left us with.

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

sinzer.4018:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

sinzer.4018:

I can’t really take the complaints about ele nerfs seriously tbh. Even after the nerfs i’d still rather play my ele over my warrior. It’s far more forgiving.

Then you are VERY bad at playing a warrior. That’s the best class in the game by far.

in easy mode pve…….

wvwvw and pvp are a different beast

Ive never pved in my life.

I’d advise you to create a thread in the warrior forum about how awesome they are in pvp. It’ll be hilarious.

I am probably a terrible player but then that kinda backs up my statement that eles are more forgiving when you make a mistake especially considering my warrior was my first profession and it’s got the most playtime.

warriors have too many threads about how blind and about anet love they recieve. Naw, feels little depressing i cannot harness the powerful warrior in pvp.

I want some videos. If ARM say they are in a good place, we can all learn from him. I feel like his non reply means he is super good and hiding a special power

I don’t have any videos proving how badly you play your warrior. The fact that you think that class is bad is all the proof that is needed.

i agree, that I am pretty bad as a warrior but I wanna learn from the master. may I see videos of you playing a warrior ARM in pvp?

No, but you can transfer to any server GOM is fighting and you can challenge my warrior with your ele… ill post that video.

loseridoit.2756:

sinzer.4018:

ARM.3912:

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

sinzer.4018:

I can’t really take the complaints about ele nerfs seriously tbh. Even after the nerfs i’d still rather play my ele over my warrior. It’s far more forgiving.

Then you are VERY bad at playing a warrior. That’s the best class in the game by far.

in easy mode pve…….

wvwvw and pvp are a different beast

Ive never pved in my life.

I’d advise you to create a thread in the warrior forum about how awesome they are in pvp. It’ll be hilarious.

I am probably a terrible player but then that kinda backs up my statement that eles are more forgiving when you make a mistake especially considering my warrior was my first profession and it’s got the most playtime.

warriors have too many threads about how blind and about anet love they recieve. Naw, feels little depressing i cannot harness the powerful warrior in pvp.

I want some videos. If ARM say they are in a good place, we can all learn from him. I feel like his non reply means he is super good and hiding a special power

I don’t have any videos proving how badly you play your warrior. The fact that you think that class is bad is all the proof that is needed.

Shar.3402:

then you should stop trolling.

Because I made Anet nerf the elementalist into the ground? No, they are trolling you.

loseridoit.2756:

ARM.3912:

sinzer.4018:

I can’t really take the complaints about ele nerfs seriously tbh. Even after the nerfs i’d still rather play my ele over my warrior. It’s far more forgiving.

Then you are VERY bad at playing a warrior. That’s the best class in the game by far.

in easy mode pve…….

wvwvw and pvp are a different beast

Ive never pved in my life.

sinzer.4018:

I can’t really take the complaints about ele nerfs seriously tbh. Even after the nerfs i’d still rather play my ele over my warrior. It’s far more forgiving.

Then you are VERY bad at playing a warrior. That’s the best class in the game by far.

loseridoit.2756:

Vitality doesnt matter in this game because the lowest health pool classes have the highest survivability.

Eles and guards

Oh, so it is make up stuff day? OK! Anet is a good company with smart people and elementalists are balanced.

Shar.3402:

ARM.3912:

The Goat.1940:

Demon.5082:

I would not say Elementalists are garbage since we do have it better than some classes. Sadly, our build diversity is down the toilet with fire/earth just not being as powerful as air/water and arcana just being too good respective to the others in spvp/tpvp.

how do we “have it better” than some classes? which classes and how?

This^. I would LOVE to hear what class we have it better than.

Warriors, to name one.
Also, having it better than some other classes doesn’t necessarily means that we’re stronger 1vs1. And that leads us to be far better than rangers in team fights.

LOL! Yes, everyone has so much pity for the poor warriors. /Sarcasm off

Survive: Other classes can do this, but the ele can’t. Fix immediately.

Milennin.4825:

Ever since the first nerf to Evasive Arcana this class has gone downhill. I’ll admit that Evasive Arcana was quite powerful, and I can live with it in its current state (but it’s still nowhere near as fun as the original). But the constant nerfs to Ride the Lightning, and the nerfs to Mist Form and Lightning Flash this class is nothing but an empty shell of the awesome profession that it used to be to me.
PvE-wise, Elementalist always felt a little weaker than some other classes, but it’s only gotten worse over time. Meanwhile my Guardian can still faceroll over anything, mindlessly spamming Greatsword skills… /sigh

I switched over to a thief and it feels like cheating. The elementalist took skill to play and it gets nerfed… but i can spam 2 all day and make kills on a thief. It is insanity!

The Goat.1940:

Demon.5082:

I would not say Elementalists are garbage since we do have it better than some classes. Sadly, our build diversity is down the toilet with fire/earth just not being as powerful as air/water and arcana just being too good respective to the others in spvp/tpvp.

how do we “have it better” than some classes? which classes and how?

This^. I would LOVE to hear what class we have it better than.

Caffynated.5713:

Terrahero.9358:

Caffynated.5713:

Revert mist form nerf, add an additional -30% (-50% total for air skills) cooldown for movement skills (rtl, burning speed, etc.) to Aeromancer’s Alacrity, and put a stun breaker back on lightning flash. That would be enough to make me happy.

Lightning Flash is much better now.

It got the cooldown slashed down to 40seconds, the damage is higher if you care about that.
Sure it lost the stunbreaker. But! You can still teleport while stunned.

Sure you remain stunned, but you are out of harms way and stuns dont generally last all that long. Especially not in PvP where the longest stuns are 2seconds(?). The guy that stunned you now has to les then 2seconds to jog towards where you flashed to actually take advantage of that stun.
Given human reaction times and having to find you he’ll likely have barely 1sec to close 900range, and thats with a 2sec stun.

“Slashed” to 40 seconds. A whole 5 seconds in exchange for losing its stun breaker. Oh and don’t forget that it now hits for 1200 instead of 800. Watch out, I might one shot somebody.

If it’s such a trivial change that makes no difference, why would they bother making it and why would you object to it being changed back?

Hint: it’s a big kittening deal

I laughed out loud. Great post, and completely correct. In the real game (WvW) adding 50% damage to a 1k spell on a 30 second timer isn’t going to effect anything. Stun breaking will effect something though – the survivability of the lowest HP and lowest armor class in the game (translation: the most squishy character in the game and they take away survivability).

Conditions vs an engi who has a trait that makes him immune to all conditions? I dont think so.

The class is complete garbage now anet. Man up and admit you made a mistake, and take away the stupid nerfs.

Zelyhn.8069:

That’s right. But the class is designed to play around this. When you are D/D you have a lot of gap closers (3), more than any other class (afaik).
We are indeed “stuck” into one mode, but they gave us the tools to work around this: adapt. In D/D we actually have several ranges: very short for fire, medium for earth, far-melee for air and half ranged for water. This can give us an edge: we can strike in melee but out of reach from the other melee classes. Do you see them complaining about not having extended melee ranges?
If a warrior decides to be a melee beast and takes two melee weapons then he has the same problem, if not worse. If he takes one ranged weapon then he is less efficient in melee. We have more of a drastic choice, but we can play around more as well.

You are talking about a range of 150 to 600. Get realistic dude.

Thief is a boring no skill class that took all of an hour to master. With that being said it is still more fun than just getting owned on the completed nerfed ele.

11.5k health, 1600 toughness

The class is dead, why would anyone care about a podcast about it?

Most mobile profession… that’s good for a laugh! Ele’s are at the bottom, and ele’s are the only class that can’t survive a normal fight without being mobile.

Navzar.2938:

They pretty much want us to be 4th or 5th out of 8 in every aspect I think. Although they’re letting us stay up there on bunker builds for now.

Wrong. Bunker builds don’t work if you stop moving, and the nerfed everything that lets ele’s keep moving.

Malcastus.6240:

If I recall correctly, Anet tends to nerf things a bit, before buffing again.

You made that up. Anet doesn’t think. The video proves they just do things and say “hey let’s see what happens”. What happens is they killed our class and don’t care.

Jabberwock.9014:

cheshirefox.7026:

this was an interesting video
let me hop in my time machine to half a year ago, when it may have been relevant

i enjoyed the career politician breakdown of how neat elementalist is

omg did you know eles are so FUN that they can use blast finishers inside of fields for mediocre support? If you use one in your static field you might even be able to outrun a necro if they don’t cripple or chill you! How swell!

Both quoted for truth. This slap in the face video is such an insult. That fizzy kid should be fired and someone with a clue needs to start working for anet.

ARM invented pink. It was the color he thought of when anet nerfed elementalists into the ground.

Ordamus.1978:

Hi just like my title states I am trying to decide on either playing a thief or ele. After the patch I am just curious which is better for pve for doing fractals, farming, and some WvW.

I wanna play a more melee role not sure how well ele does that compared to thief. I like thief except I started one and their survivability at low lvls is very poor. That or I am just playing wrong lol.

Ele I enjoy as well but I don’t like switching elements every 10 secs gets really annoying.

Thief kills things, moves quickly, and can escape anything.

Ele dies, and dies some more.

Why is that a choice for you?

Kolly.9872:

Finally after almost 1 year from the release, after countless nerfs, some minor buff and no bug fixes at all, we are not anymore the most lamented class on the QQ forum
We lost our OPness…

how do you feel about it?
Personally I hope A-Net won’t nerf Necro so we can still going on killing people and having fun like we always did and the forum will be a peaceful place for a while

You haven’t been nerfed till you have played a d/d ele.

That build is awful as you already know. You can’t make a decent ele build thanks to anet’s constant nerfs

And the “oh hey yeah screw your mobility kittenes” is ensuring that I will never buy another game with that fizzy kid working for the company.

I want those 31 minutes 37 seconds of my life back! First he nerfs us into the ground, then kicks us while we are down, then nerfs us again, then another nerf, and then wastes our time with a day-1 youtube-esq tutorial guide as if we don’t know what a combo field is.

JonPeters.5630:

Just to be clear this being a stun break now is on purpose. Sorry it got left off the notes.

Jon

Was nerfing everything that kept us alive and made us viable on purpose too?

Ancient Ranger.3276:

I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying they nerfed elementalist. This dev is here to help us and you laughing in his face. Then you wonder why they never write on our fourms or answer our questions.
This patch got 1 nerf and the rest were all buffs.
-1 nerf Bountiful Power

An elementalist who stops moving dies. 4 things helped an elementalist keep moving; Ride The Lightning (NERFED), Mist form (NERFED), Lightning Flash(NERFED), and
Cleansing Fire(NERFED).

So don’t give me this one nerf nonsense. Read the patch notes, play the class… actually don’t play the class. Your hero the OP just wants to stream himself hitting a mob for 4k twice in a row and then nerf us some more.

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

Hey everyone I’m doing a live stream tomorrow on the Elementalist. If there is any topics, questions, tips, tricks or strategies you think would be helpful for other Elementalist to know please post them here, and I’ll try and bring them up!

Thanks : )

~Izzy @-’——

Best tip for an elementalist is to reroll another class since you guys wont stop nerfing us.

This thread would be 100% correct, if you included UN-NERF ELEMENTALISTS!