Guild Wars 2

Following on from pale tree dragon link. For a consistency the sylvari player race and role as heroes in Tyria has to remain.

So a potential plot is the seed collection was a pool of resources left by the last passing of mordremoth. The seeds would grow trees that would act a supply of troops, differing forms grown to requirement for war (giants, hounds, humanoids and more).

The pale trees seed taken and grown under the fateful influence of the Tablets altered the consciousness of the Pale tree before Mordremoth’s influence was felt (from awakening). the tree knew its creator, and original purpose, and revolted as it was raised on the ethics of the tablets. So all the minions to be created were instead created to fight the dragon(s) they are the sylvari player race.

Mordremoth is a creature of sleep and dreams and much as the jungle dragon. The Pale Tree’s dream is aa education and also a shield against mordremoth influence. Sylvari seperated from that dream are then exposed eventually to mordremoth design, Nightmare court is a foreshadow to that, albeit without the direct influence as mordremoth is unable to command strongly yet.

The dragon could however trigger the loyalty in scarlet, who without the pale tree dream was exposed when she reached closer to where mordremoths consciousness reside (her journals abyss for want of a better term) in the eternal alchemy experiment.

Perhaps Omadd knew more of sylvari and dragon link, using scarlet as a tool to tap into dragon power.

asura and sylvari ‘share’ weaponry for tier 1+ 2 culturals

The dislike is the poor story and wanting her gone, as the character and tools of Scarlet make her a terribly written villain at odds with the reality of the rest of gw2 lore and capabilities.

The mechanics may be enjoyable in part or wholly depending on preferences, but Scarlet pollutes the whole terribly with cringe worthy dialogue and utterly unrealistic resources and talents. It grates the intelligence of players who are very familiar with what is decently written and what is poorly written.

Players it would seem want her gone and defeated to close this chapter swiftly and cleanly. Effort being then directed to superior written and led projects in tune with the lore and the expectation of the players.

Crespus.7405:

VodCom.6924:

VOLKON.1290:

CaptainVanguard.4925:

I’m calling it now, the Pale Tree gets destroyed.

One problem with that… Sylvari would be doomed to extinction. Without the Pale Tree, no new Sylvari.

+1

The Pale Tree can’t be destroyed for it is an important piece of personnal story -> This has to remain unaffected by the living world. It can be attacked (no problem with this idea), but it can never be destroyed for good.

Don’t be so sure…at some point, in order to make a truly engaging story, some important characters are going to have to die, even if that means some inconsistencies with the personal story. There are lots of ways that they could archive the personal story or modify it (or some combination of the two). Nothing is safe; anything could happen.

Well the bookies favourite to get the fatal plot device is Kasmeer.

Having done the story element of the update and later explaining to an ex-player; How did we get the info of where her actual lair was, other than the shiny plot star on the map. I can’t recall any npc giving me a clue or a hint. i just seemed to have gone from the instance of ‘we need more info on Scarlet’ to next step of ‘i will look HERE!’.

Delvoire.8930:

Invictus.1503:

You know, after reading Scarlet’s journal, it reminds me a lot about how Jora described Svanir’s (her brother) fall into corruption and becoming Jarmag’s first lieutenant. Perhaps it’s wishful thinking (I really want to have Mordremoth awake and for us to go to Maguuma Wastes), but it seems as if Scarlet is mirroring Svani’s story, only with the jungle dragon.

I wonder if this means that GW3 will have the Daughters of Scarlet in the game

Briar’s Seedlings or similar

Those arrows can also simply be her forces (clock, aether, toxic+ molten) direction to kill off threats to her master, the headquarters of the pact members + LA. She is creating this whole scenario to waken a dragon, Mordremoth with the drill device and a large power surge or disruption.

She is no ally of us nor a foe of any other dragon, no dragon minions have been the target of her attacks, just us. There no approaches of alliances or treaties with known dragon foes like the pact or DE, so why forge crazy alliances vs dragons and attack the one already there.

Erm Primordus is already awake though and being dealt with by dwarves. So that Story has been told, kind of a waste to have all this build up for a re-releasing a threat when you have other dragons ready to make to appearance felt.

Seems Scarlets ‘eternal alchemy’ moment is just a dragon influencing moment, Thus became for all intent purposes a minion/lieutenant of Mordremoth, goal of waking it with a disruption or surge of magic, requiring excessive use of elemental forces (hence the elemental themed alliances alluded to by priory). Thumpers are to locate where to drill and use the power, map of X’ is where the enemies of the dragon(s) reside, her allies are tested against these dragon enemies (us) constantly in preparation to become or to develope the dragons true minions to conquer us.

Were she to be a foe of dragons, even one. Then her forces would attack and threaten dragon minions, to learn of then and their powers. Just plain foolish to attack your potential dragon fighting allies (think of USA attacking Britain during WW2 to somehow defeat Germany and Japan.)

Cassocaster.4576:

How about the lone wolf who howls and brings another one?

They are just in stealth waiting the signal to strike as a pack, you just too blind to see them before their tactical brilliance is revealed. Its all evolution you know.

Substance E.4852:

Gold bricks are worth 1/33 a gold coin. Your wood based logic has no place here.

The bars are really small think how many are needed for just 1 ring! and the coins are super very thin, thats how you can carry hundreds, and make loads of coins from such a small bar!

She isn’t good. Attacking forces posed against dragons such as pact and many of the races threatens by dragons. Not even using her force against dragon minions or lieutenants, not even testing them against them, just against forces of ‘good’. Theory may be nice, but reality of actions is quite the opposite.

The thumper things to locate it or nessessary arcane power perhaps, and digging drill to dig it up or tap into a power source to do same, but seems some influence by a dragon or similar entity to get her to revive it. Awful reading though.

Psynch.4087:

Okay, a serious answer —

She is actually extremely savvy and persuasive. She can convince individuals and factions into helping her because she appeals to their own desires and desperation. For everyone else, she simply uses intimidation. We know both of these points to be true from in-game dialogue and the supplemental stories. Her money and resources come from the factions that she has convinced (or coerced) into helping her.

In terms of raw power for her devices, she has intimate knowledge of the Thaumanova reactor. The reactor is powered by refined chaos crystals from the chaos crystal cavern. The Molten Facility in Flame and Frost had us raiding a similar cavern between Wayfarer Foothills and Diessa Plateau. This Molten cavern had loads and loads of azurite crystals, which she could then use to supply immense amounts of power to her devices.

Put all these things together and you account for all of her resources.

I cannot see how she is convincing anyone to die for her, let alot hand over resources sufficient to rebuild the black citidal and the entire pact fleet. Each alliance is mass slaughtered by player/national/order factions, her charm has no effect on any ‘good’ group, even pure profiteers such as LA council or consortium. And further to all this massive infrastructure pulled from her kitten, its been build in super fast time ( a few months if that) and in total secret! I find the scarlet plot increasingly unplausible, and disassociated from the rest of the world and game presented.

Guess i may get the ach for taida covington done as a byproduct. And wurm is new rather than a rework of a current boss, so not taking away a regular boss (as teq event became)

so what is a golemancer? an elementalist or an engineer? or asura equivelant of a car mechanic? Or a foreshadow of a new expansion class (golem pet handler, with flavour for each race)

Wanze.8410:

I think the high demand and prices are intended, so new players that are leveling can earn a little more of those mats to keep up with end game players that have it easier to farm gold in general.

Though they are somewhat at a lost cause if wanting to craft for their gear as they level.

recipes will, if armour recipes are anything to go by, be using up the mountains of cinnamon, walnuts and any other over supplied food stuffs.

Elbegast.6970:

Aajolea.8132:

Elbegast.6970:

And what if the ‘puppet’ is on our side?

Then you’d be calling Scarlet your leader and have seen thousands of your mates killed by heroes.

So where has ArenaNet actually stated that the puppet is going to be a world boss?

The heroes of Tyria face a battle on two fronts, attacked by a giant wurm from beneath the Bloodtide Coast and a twisted marionette in the mountains of Lornar’s Pass. Prepare to take up arms, join with your friends and fellow heroes, and fight off the rising threats. (from gw2 site)

Possibly because the update is not all finished, so rather than edit notes released, they just don’t release the notes, so can drop content not finished/working.

Elbegast.6970:

And what if the ‘puppet’ is on our side?

Then you’d be calling Scarlet your leader and have seen thousands of your mates killed by heroes.

Short quest for a rust monster, then fire said monster at metal monstrosity with a trebuchet, then harvest the new metal deposit for a week.

So only the weapon adds 5%, what about a full asc set vs a full exotic set, That the will be the full asc impact.

killing her would form the group, marjory wants revenge, can’t do it alone, Bra+ rox have experience in thwarting parts of scarlets plans, and dispite initial frosty relationg between rox+ marjory they all team up with the asura (who’ll have some grudge v scarlet) and canach who is quite capable with vengence, just needs a personal aspect to direct it toward scarlet.

But for much of the lack of foreshadowing of scarlets story and motives, the tale and seeds for DE2 is soundly placed if you look for it and quite deliberate (imho).

Novelists write alone, game writers write as part of a team with editors and developers, even if one or two thought scarlet was a cool idea, there should have been many that said.. ‘wait this is B-movie/cartoony trash’

I reckon the people of DR would be very angry at the watchknight fiasco, huge waste of resourses that could of been better used to push centaurs from Kryta.

Sinistral.5782:

Bubi.7942:

Ah! Finally a thread about Scarlet being a bad villain.

Cause we haven’t had these for the past half year every single time.

I think scarlet is a good villain, everybody hate her.

Not hated for being a Villain though, hated for tainting the game with rubbish.

Romo.3709:

Levetty.1279:

Kasmeer dies and I quit the game.

Mentors dying was more than enough. Leave Kasmeer alone. Kill off Trehearne or Logan. In other words characters we have no sympathy for. Hell, I had to look up spelling on the salad dude’s name because is so badly spelled out. But do not kill Kasmeer.

That is precisely why they would have her die, becaues she has the most emotional engagement for players to attach to the storyline. Emotional investment by players make the story more relevant and followed.

Caveth.3268:

Why do the races have to be chosen from the playable 5? Why can’t a main npc character be a Largos, a Kodan or a Tengu?

So the team can fulfil same role as racial representative/link to player for future expansion, in same wasy original edge npcs did for player in the personal story. A new player race if with an expansion would add a character to this group, in a role similar to trahearne.

Levetty.1279:

Kasmeer dies and I quit the game.

She’ll most likely die (in self sacrifice gesture after being doomed from the thorn) in part 2 or 3 to invest emotional gravitas to defeating Scarlet (atleast for Marjory if not player) She is the most likely candidate as there are 2 humans, Marjory has shown affection toward kasmeer, so her loss would impact on Marjorys self confidence and ego and rage too. Kasmeer is eye candy (so a loss to players who like her looks) with no character flaws or background story. Thus no reason to dislike her due to her portrayal, making her perfect to kill off for impact purposes. There is also a bit of a glut of powerful human mesmer (queen+ countess) npcs.

Reckon the Asura will be a male engineer from Scarlets past activities (fellow student of colleges or inquest or some lab technician turncoat of hers) with some chip on his shoulder so perhaps world weary or just scarlet weary (to contast with zojja) i’d bet on a geeky male engineer lost in his own muddled ideas and designs much of the time with moments of practical inspiration + brillance, an introverted personality to counter the strong egos in the potential team.

Canach is a personality to other sylvari main npcs. Caithe is jaded and morose, Trahearne is timid/considerate, Scarlet is meglomaniacal/chaotic, Faolain is cruel/manipulative and Sieran is cheerful and curious. Canach is i guess more vengeful and stubborn than other ‘regular’ sylvari. All sylvari npcs are very clever it seems, no dim ones at all, though perhaps not that wise.

As group is building up to be representative of each race and most classes, and for all intent purposes a next generation edge of destiny. the races reps are of opposite gender, and likely no duplicate races in final team (one of humans will.. leave) so male asura added and male sylvari (canach is guess on another thread)

Fairly simple really, remove it from loot and make it a gathered resource like wood + metal, same for leather too, just have them as animal based nodes (sheep for wool). then people can get the resources require in a specific manner. The supply is then as a result of folk actually harvesting it not a byproduct of mob killing (’cept salvage).

Chokolata.1870:

Marjory – Human Necro-Leader
Rox – Char Ranger
Braham – Norn Guardian
Canach – Sylvari Warrior
XXXXX – Asura XXXX

Could be cool and a great platform for better LS presentation

I suspect we (as the player) would be the leader, to avoid the repeat and dislike of Trahearne as story leader. Asura seems lined up to be some clever ranged male type, tho probably not an elem (Zojja is), unlikely a mes (due to kasmeer) so likely an engineer who perhaps studied or is a former minion of Scarlet (or mentor) so comes in with specialist or insider knowledge.

Thought with all the Ascended trinkets from Fotm, laurel and guild, jewel 500 seems somewhat superfluous other than for sake of uniformity. Now if they are all craftable trinkets due to a 500 cap raise, then surely ascended weapons and armour should be made available through non craft channels that the trinkets are.

JGBarbarian.3579:

Yeah, I can see something like that happening but with these differences:

Kasmeer dies on the end of LS 1 (There are 2 humans and Jory is more important I think)
Scarlet won’t be the sylvari member because she is female like Caithe, and the members of “Destiny’s Edge 2” have been of different gender than their race representative of DE1 (that is why I expect the asura coming next patch is male). Canach? :O
Group race/profession combo would be like this (DE1 and DE2):
Male charr warrior – Female charr ranger
Female norn ranger – Male norn guardian
Male human guardian – Female human necro
Female sylvari thief – (If Canach) Male sylvari warrior
Female asura elementalist – ? (Male asura engineer?)

My 2 cents

Ah Canach, yes he’d fit in the mold for sylvari or opposite gender and warrior class, and not be introducing a new character.

Theory of Kasmeer perishing (self sacrifice tradegy that binds group!) works especially as she is currently eye candy with no negaitive traits, past baggage or past loses. Infact posed to us as very nice and balanced and clever. And is a 2nd human female… can’t have 2 in team.

So.. why not use all the forces to attack the tree instead of random areas wasting troops resources? Why attack the humans and norn? if so skilled at alliance building why not turn the other races agains the pale tree + sylvari, surely an easier task than allying various xenophobic factions together.

Seems Braham, Rox, Marjory, Kasmeer, (upcoming Asura) are shaping up to be new version of Edge of Destiny. forged by combining (with player) to defeat Scarlet (who may join too in a post defeat twist, esp if one of the others gets killed). Group is racially diverse and a mix of classes too. ideal to form core team for player to defeat next Dragon in future expansion story.

Can’t you purge Scarlet sooner than 4 more events? i’d prefer her dispatched within next event to be blunt.

I suspect scarlet’s motive is whatever might fit as plausibly as possible as post production lump of fudge can be. Her methods, resources and background are not plausible in the lore.
As a dragon general there is too much inconsistency in allies, method and actual achievement, so i believe the real reason for her presense was some brainstorming dev session to try to link together disparate LS themes under one umbrella foe.

Guess Primordus has dibs on the subterranean species. Part of some dragon sphere of influence agreement or so.

if wanting to alter it just lower the bottom end of armour rating mitigation and have mobs react more to high damage, in short mobs hit the dps out of preferance and zerk in more glass cannon.

I think the issue is more champ farm trains rather then bloodstone dust. If players were limited to 1 chest per day per champ the drops would have been more normalised. But doing champ trains for hours then you get massive piles of bloodstone.

T6 materials prices are merely reflective of the massive demand for them recently due to ascended leveling up on weapon discoveries ie t6 material based inscriptions. They’ll stay high too due to investors hoarding for the demands of ascended armour and 400-500 armour race.

Having finished the new path, and it having nothing to do with the F/U path, plot or resources use, i really don’t understand why the F/U path was removed, the issue with the spider at tree just required a tweak on spawnings. Now there is an unbalanced lvl 55 expl mode with only 2 paths with the 3rd untold story consigned to history. the new path has no relation to the f/u path at all other than the location. there isn’t even a member of the NM court in the new path let alone any court politics.

Have 1 person solely clean up the oil by getting the buff and kiting the ooze to oil, ideally a range weapon user so they can still dps bosses.

Took me a few parties to complete. Ooze coordination being 1st major reason for player drops. The wipes caused by toxic stacks for the pair of bosses the 2nd. And last boss’ buffed mechanics causing wipes and lack successful of holo luring.

I felt there was too much use of luring the ai mechanic in the path, made awkward with various pet classes, compulsive kiters and folk who dps any red name.

Pretty sure when he loses his buff the floors are normal again, most of the nasty stuff goes when he is debuffed (holo death aoe hits him). otherwise electrified floor grows to cover whole room if boss is left buffed.

So.. why not just fix f/u boss and add scarlet path as a 4th new rather than replacement path? Is this not the most obvious way of doing things that makes most happy? adding+ repairing?

Lionguard intelligence? isn’t that just LG hiring players? surely it’d be order of whispers? or the wardens at falais thorp? Pretty sure there are no LG active in any path in TA, just wardens, valiants and others of the grove.

Would be nice if there was a twist that ended her, like a subordinate uses some showdown scarlet has with players just to assassinate her, kind of like roman emperors being taken down by their close ‘allies’.