Guild Wars 2

Hell of a welcome party. Hope you GoM folk are enjoying your visit here.

Crossplay.2067:

A little piece of me dies inside everytime someone says a particular weapon doesn’t fit the Mesmer profile. We are a class based on strange, misleading and unorthodox attacks. Bows could easily be adapted to fit us. As I started in another post, they could be used like Klingon Battleths with the occasional shot fired, just to remind people that we are using a bow. Another idea came to me today. Ever watch Bleach? Quincies fight an awful lot like Mesmers, if you as me, and they ALL use bows!

…You know? I have to eat crow, and retract my anti-bow argument. Some of the crapola Quincies pull out could get retooled for Mesmer use. Other than that, I’d also sign up for:
Whips.
Thrown Daggers could be fun. Hell, Dagger OH could be pretty stylish by itself.

Now, this should prove quite interesting. Pardon me as I get my butterflies and bullets all nice and prettied up…
As to whoever eventually ends up down here (we all know it depends on when the new math kicks in.), we baked some nice pizza for you. Yes, we used the “special” mushrooms.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Advent.6193:

but I’d be willing to counter that this was in the works before the recent transfers. All Guilds like FoE, Agg, and VK did was accelerate the timetable.

So using this logic, when we started curbstomping ET and SF, it was NOT because of the transfers. We had things in the works before then.

ALL your transfers arguments are now null and void folks.

Heh. You got me there. (hands over 1000 Internets)

Now, if we wanted to be MASSIVE kittens… We could’ve all transferred to either FC or ET. Throw a sonic screwdriver in ANet’s calculations. I wonder if they accounted for that possibility, this time around? That combined force may have been worse than Kaineng, tbh.

We could just let Countess Anise teach her fellow Mesmer about fashion. It could work.

Regarding the idea of T8 swapping places with T7: Oh frack yes. We’re considered the
“Plagued” Tier, the abandoned child. I’ll admit it would be quite funny to get the lot of us, all three servers chock full of aggression, out of here. For that matter, Manoa, why
think small? Let us – ALL of us – become the next T1. (cue villainous laughter …)

Right, folks. Time to rise, like the bloody Phoenix.

Well, Filthy. It’s mostly Kaineng, regarding that business. And, yes, everyone currently here is screwed over due to how they rolled out of T8. Unfortunately, barring some
method of “resetting” the overall points balance down here, it’s one of those setups
where anyone what wants to escape would have to adopt those kinds of tactics.

Now, let’s go for a happier outcome. Namely, whichever of us escapes the Ghetto
eventually goes to pay ol’ Kain a visit. A rather … destructive visit. I’d be willing to
(metaphorically) shake hands on a deal like that. Then again, I was also entertained
(during that short time ANet spoke of implementing a ratings reset) by the idea of FC going after Devona again.

Of course, it’s also not impossible that they could eventually fall back down here. Other servers have had their own “Fall from Grace.”

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

I’m sure it had nothing to do with you implying that if were only aware and acted on your advice, then we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now.

I’m not trolling (I don’t think people understand what trolling is anymore), but I am being sarcastic as all hell.

Alright, now I’m a bit amused, to be honest. Here’s the thing: what I intended that to be read as, was a logical statement based around that time period’s comparative population (in WvW) amongst all three of our servers. At that time, ET was not as resurgent as they’ve become, and to be dead honest, our lot were pretty close to
tossing in the towel. Add in the fact that after week 2, your guys started coming back
(with reasonable numbers) into WvW, and that leads into the point I made.

Said point being: it could have been done. This doesn’t mean I’m smug, this merely
mentions that the possibility -at that time- existed.

As you and I have both stated, the overall situation has changed. That makes a Kaineng-level Tier dominance nigh-impossible as T8 currently stands. But, that’s
the kind of thing needed to escape the black hole that we’re in.

pulsecodesgnl:
Wow, and I’ve actually tried to be non-trollish. Helpful, even. I’d love to know how you get that I think I’m precognitive and know all. IIRC, I’ve given certain of your server’s Guilds credit for being rather deadly combatants. As for the bolded text, I admit not understanding why that’s hard to read.
Either you’re trying to troll me, or we’re experiencing a breakdown in text-based communication. As such, realise I’m not attempting to troll you. So, let’s call this the second, shall we?

As for Manoa:
I’ve attempted to spin the issue positively, but you are most likely right. The worst part is that the oft-mentioned “ratings floor” concept would probably fix the entire
frigging concern. For SF, and for anyone else that ends up in T8.

I’m not telling you to be happy about it. I’m just suggesting how you can fix the issue, without outside intervention. What, do you think I’m amused by yet another steamroller in T8? Truth is, pulsecodesgnl, you could have done exactly what I -and others – have suggested, months ago. And, after that first week or two in T8, you could have managed it with utter ease and contempt. Past that, yes, Glicko math is freaking whacked. We all know that. It is ridiculous to be punished for winning, but not winning “enough.” Meh.

Also. No, I don’t hate SF or ET. We’re all stuck in this bloody mire together, hate’s counter-productive. Let’s all just bring our best, and see who wrecks whom.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Goloith.6349:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Goloith.6349:

As the title says I think its only a matter of time before confusion is nerfed in WvW. Personally I think it’s fine and actually forces people to run condition removal, but as I’ve seen with the Engineer forums, there’s a high likelihood it will get nerfed. I would really like to see a statement regarding this from ANET to see if this will happen or not.

If a glass cannon thief unstealths and I do nothing for 3 seconds, I die.
If I get 20 stacks of confusion on me and do nothing for 3 seconds, I take 0 damage.

…and you want to nerf confusion?

Absolutely not! I want to see it alive and well. I love my Engineers prybar and my Mesmer’s glamour build, but I’ve been seeing so many people whine about it that I have a feeling it’s coming. If I knew they’d never touch confusion I would make my Mesmer my main instead of my Engineer.

I don’t foresee a nerf on confusion. I foresee a nerf on the glamour mechanics.

Quit jinxing us, Pyroatheist. Please

Kontrolle.3514:

As well as the portal king, the invulnerability master, the projectile reflection chief, the quickness chef and the ethereal lord? Mesmer is the only must have class for every content in this game they can do everything and have 194355 gimmicks that no other class can offer. And dare you talking about nerfs, i played engineer since beta so srsly dont dare to talk about nerfs ever again.

Get off your bloody high horse. Yes, Engis have caught it bad. Hell, I feel bad for ‘em myself. But it is absolutely inane to act as if you’re the only victims here. But, I’m going to be -somewhat- kind, and suss out a few points you’re wrong on:

1.) Portals. Nerfed many times, and on the Devs’ watchlist for “Things to Share With Other Professions.”
2.) Invulnerability. We are a class that relies on the concept of “active defense > passive defense.” Things such as Distortion or Blurred Frenzy are an outgrowth of said concept.
3.) Ethereal Fields. Yes, it’s a Mesmer specialty. What Profession in this game does not have a special, “Members Only!” ability? For example – Necro pets vs. Ranger pets. We both know Ranger pets last longer, and provide more player control over what the pet does. Now, as for Pet AI sucking … that’s something ANet’s been working on, piece by screaming piece, for months.
4.) Projectile Reflection. Are you kidding me? Feedback rocks, sure. But that’s our only good projectile reflect, unless one is a Focus-user with Warden’s Feedback.
That’s right, Mesmers pay a 20 point trait-tariff to possess more than one means of (player controlled) AoE Projectile-bouncing. What’s that about Guardians? Wall of Reflection, and Sanctuary. One reflects, the other negates. Both are merely Utility Skills. Elementalists? Magnetic Shield or Swirling Winds. Hell, Swirling Winds freaking crap-cans siege projectiles, kitten
5.) Quickness. Yes, we have AoE Quickness with no drawback. However, compare cooldowns on Time Warp, vs ANY other Quickness ability. It stands to reason TW’s lack of downside is a balance to its obscene C/D. Not to mention, that the TW field is
a stationary Quickness. Meanwhile, let’s talk Frenzied Bullrush > 100B … or Hasted Unloads. I can drop those, and follow you anywhere, during the skill’s duration.
Also, Quickness just ate a major nerf, across the bloody board, and you’re not satisfied?
6.) Sneak-nerfing. Happens on a regular basis, when you’re a Mesmer. Ask around, we
go through skills with a fine-toothed comb, post any patch. Is this fun? Hells, no.

7.) Yet again, this is why I favour buffing weaker classes/skills to competitive levels.
This Nerfbat silliness is as much a “Witch Hunt” as McCarthy-era Communist-hate, or post-9/11 Fear of “Terrorists.” Enough drinking of the Haterade, for all that’s worthy. More productive methods of solving issues will make all classes kick kitten

I hate to urinate in anyone’s Cheerios, but:
SF, if you truly want out of T8 (assuming the current trend continues), you absolutely must:
1.) Wreck us and ET with equal vehemence as did Kaineng. (i.e. 500k point wins, full stop.)
2.) Continue to consolidate your “core” WvW population, and their skills. I’m sure we all know that, as soon as you manage to eat more than one or two weeks of losing, a certain % of your more fair-weather WvWers . . . Will. Puss. OUT.
As such, your core needs to be frigging SOLID. I mean diamond-hard, or Adamantium. This is non-negotiable.

Unfortunately for you, the fire’s been well and truly reignited. For us Fergs, as well as ET. We can argue tranfers all we want, but I’d be willing to counter that this was in the works before the recent transfers. All Guilds like FoE, Agg, and VK did was accelerate the timetable. On the good side, SF – this at least means that you’re going
to -along with us- have a fun voyage until Ragnarok.

Screw it, I’m bored and will take the (potential) troll-bait. Note that I do not claim to be a shrink. Nor am I female.
TL;DR – I’m going to try to analyze this from multiple sides. It’s the only fair way to come up with a valid theory.

I’d personally guess that a female what plays a Charr would:
1.) Be pretty darn secure in her opinions.
2.) Take minimal flack from anyone.

This generally presumes that online gamers are typically “honest.” And here lies the rub. One could play a char completely different than their Real-worlder self. Then, we’d have to assume that the female in question:

1.) Seeks a sense of power and control in their life. Thus, plays a member of a total
arsekicker species.
2.) Tends to fold under duress. Yet another reason to be the resident ingame “arsekicker.”

Now, let’s add in the idea that to understand the full story behind any person, we must apply the concept that, “Any story has 3 sides. Yours, the other person’s, and
the truth.” (Potentially paraphrased in Babylon 5, as Kosh’s statement that “Understanding is a three-edged sword.”). With that in mind, we should probably assume that a female playing Charr:

1.) Just thinks they look cool. Whether “cool” is validated as “cute” or “badarse” depends on the player in question.
2.) Wanted something different. What other MMO has horn-sporting, steampunk
cat-beasts running around in militaristic precision whilst wrecking faces?

In closing: We cannot predict the personality of any player, male or female. At least not without observation of their behaviour and actions.

Kontrolle.3514:

Goloith.6349:

As the title says I think its only a matter of time before confusion is nerfed in WvW. Personally I think it’s fine and actually forces people to run condition removal, but as I’ve seen with the Engineer forums, there’s a high likelihood it will get nerfed. I would really like to see a statement regarding this from ANET to see if this will happen or not.

Sure it will be nerfed, lol because every lamer in the game has to abuse it like there is no tommorow. About 80% of the WvW population are mesmers that abuse the hell out of it. Poor engineers after 3254 nerfs they get thier last powerful tool left destroyed. Unlike mesmers they dont have reliable aoe confussion.

If we nerf all things abusable by “lamers,” then there won’t be a kitten thing left. For ANY class. Enough nerfs, buff weaker classes/class specs to compete. Enough
of this PC, cater-to-whiny-idiots, “OMGWTFBBQPWNZOR, it’s too strong, let’s nerf it!” crap. Seriously.

As for Engi confusion: they may lack aoe on it, but their stacking is pretty frigging nice.
Funny, when Mesmers are supposed to be the “Confusion Guru.”

There’re two small arguments against that concept:
1.) Especially in PvP, there’re folk who think the animations aren’t enough, especially for Asura.
2.) Some players enjoy their flashy effects.

Now, I’d not be adverse to a slider setting, as they’ve recently done for WvW models.
This way, everyone “wins.”

Avenge.1478:

Rising Dusk.2408:

This is one of those “We created SkyNet and brought about the end of humanity” moments.

Dun dun dun dun dun… dun dun dun dun dun…

Only John Connor can save us now

As an amusing aside: Is it me, or is John Connor a big-time Marty Stu?
This guy:
1.) Engineers his own birth. (Go ahead, tell me he didn’t realize that Kyle’d boff Sarah )
2.) Has transcendant H@x-mojo. (Who else can reprogram Skynet’s pets like he can?)
3.) Is arguably immune to temporal whackery. (Can, and has managed to remove Skynet from the timestream on occasion, without himself vanishing.)

I tell you, he’s not human … he’s a sneak-Gallifreyan.

If they do nerf it, then I’d like to see two things:
1.) Better autoattack chain on Scepter (Or finally MH Pistol)
2.) Vulnerability dropped from Winds of Chaos (and replaced with something that scales with Condition Damage).

First, Confusion ties not only into full Glamourbomber specs, but standard Shatter and Condition builds. Frag that over, we’ve got two things left, tbh: Soldier’s EQ and
ZerkShatter. As is, they lowered our class’ ability to go full-out bunker, via the Illusionary Membrane nerf. Phantasms’ HP and LoS issues shaft pure Phant builds.

Yet again, they should’ve improved the GW1 Mesmer’s mechanic. This would’ve probably been more workable -overall- than changing over to a separate mechanic (that they’re having as much, or more trouble balancing). “The Devil you Know,” and all that jazz.

Why not take this to the next logical extent: WXP/EXP/Karma reward scaling. One can argue ANet created in-game Zergs by:
1.) Removing any reward -sans PPT/minimal EXP- from Dolyaks. (Mainly for Dolyak defense, but you see the point.)
2.) Making rewards higher for capture than for defense
3.) Capping player AoE at 5 targets. I mean, seriously … I can see A cap (since you
want siege to be useful in mass combat), but a cap that bleeding LOW? C’mon, at least rock out with a 10-target cap on players. Or scale AoE with an “epicenter,” as many forumers have mentioned.

I’ve got an odd mix, personally. Rabid trinkets (sans the Ascended Divinity spec necklace I snagged last night), Knight’s weapons, Shaman/Soldier’s for most Armour (with one piece that’s -IIRC- Prec/Vit/Healing.) I ended up with about 17-18k hp and 2500 Armour.
Build’s 0/30/0/25/15. My idea of “condition management” involves full Superior Runes of Melandru and -Condition Duration soup. And the occasional Shadowstep/Shadow Return chain.
Heal goes between Signet of Malice (Zerg combat) and Withdraw (solo roaming).

Out of those two choices, Asura. It’s all about their over-the-top personalities and emotes. These are traits that mesh well with Mesmers being rather theatrical,
themselves. Not to mention, Asura deal in magitech/mind interfacing as is. Snaff, anyone?

(NOTE: I went Sylvari, personally. Hello, bioluminescence?)

I’m still sticking to my guns, RE: Charr/Asura hybridization project. However, I’ll grant due credit. She’s one of the rare few NON-useless NPCS. Actually takes and deals DPS, without my char having to spend half a fight rezzing. And, yes … that pet

I could see Thief with Mace, more than Hammer. Think sap or billy club. Now, Hammers on Engi? It’d be like Torchlight 2, for ginormous wrenches.

Cygnus.6903:

Ryuujin.8236:

Considering mesmers already have 2 ranged twohanders (Staff, greatsword), 4 offhands and yet only 1 viable mainhand (lolsceptre…)

What we really DON’T need is another ranged twohander, what we need is a half decent mainhand ranged weapon… like a pistol (Or, a total revamp of the sceptre)

Total bullkitten, scepter rocks hard.

It still suffers from something of an identity crisis. However, the change to Confusing Images does rock rather hard. That auto-attack chain, OTOH … Honestly, though –
I’d rather go MH Pistol than any Bow. We’re duelists, not snipers. Also, GS already
fits in as our “massive range” weapon.

Heh. You could try the following:
30 Dom (GS Training/Confusing Enchantments)
20 Chaos (Chaotic Dampening)
20 Illusions (Master of Misdirection/Blinding Befuddlement … swap for Illusionary Elasticity when needed)

Staff/GS, Rampager weaponry, Carrion Armour, Rabid Trinkets. You’d still be rather hybrid, but would pack decent power for both GS and IWarlock hits. You’d also be able to still do some Glamourbomb, but less efficiently. Another similar set’d be 30/0/0/20/20, with GS/ScepFocus.
Either spec -with that EQ- should at least keep you alive in a 1v1, although you will
want to swap in some utility clone-gen to help out. Especially since you’d lack Dueling, and its improvements to both clone-gen and bleeds.

(OTOH: I’m not going to say that Pyroatheist is wrong, buildwise. Truth is, we -as a class- do excel at specialization. Correspondingly, we rather bite at being generalists.
I personally settled on Rabid Armour/Trinkets, Rampager weapons. Keeps a bit of extra Precision/Power for Condition procs and Power-based weapon attacks.)

I’d have to say no to this one. Half the reason I PvP less than I arguably ought to is how
bloody generic the gear is. I’d rather not see WvW become that homogenized. It works for PvP since you’re dealing with small groups, but it’d absolutely frack Wv3 over.
As for upscaling, it’s possible to kill a “proper” 80 with an upscale (particularily at level 60+), so that comes down to player skill.

You know, I can understand the anger on the part of many SF’ers (and ETs also). Yes, this Tier (and EU T9) is the death-gurgle of sanity (as measured by Glicko). But I would think more people would at least be happy we’re seeing more even fights again. Hell, that’s all I ever wanted … screw what Tier we’re in, just some proper tail-kicking on all three sides.
But, we’re starting to get sidetracked, with drama and ego wackiness. Now, I
realize that nobody is perfect, and crap happens … but, let’s try to stay chill here.
We’re all gamers, we’re all trying to enjoy ourselves, right?

Darek.1836:

It’s mean to hurt our rankings even more

That’s when we put boots to arses, man.

I’m typically a condi/confuser spec. Usually some variant of 0/20/20/0/20, the other 10 points are floating. Full Rabid Armour/Trinkets, Rampager weapons. Superior Undead Runes (was Centaur for a while, but missed my 4-500 extra condi dmg.)

As for why, it’s all about the Mindkitten. I won’t kill you fast, but you’re going to die.

Manoa.5897:

Jeknar.6184:

I just hope FC doesn’t get utterly demoralizated if their “reinforcement” will really leave… That will just break T8 even more.

As so I. I was really saddened for FC to hear that some of their new arrivals were actually planning on leaving to go back to their former tier all along. I know I’d be crushed.

Eh. Said reinforcements have been honest about that from the word, “Go.” With that in mind, our Commanders (and many non-Comms, like myself) are working on the tactics we’ve been shown. I would like to say we’re not getting back into a serious funk after next week.

I’d offer the idea that Executioner is even better at lower crit . I run a 0/30/0/25/15
evasion build (P/P + SB for weapons). My crit % typically hovers between 38-42, and I
regularily see crits popping off. Although, my case is biased due to lack of stealth. /shrug

Actually, Isaac. Ferguson’s has both a forum and TS channel. Now, I’ll admit that they’re (especially the forums, which are new) not terribly well known, but there you have it.
As for Parktou, aren’t you selling us a bit short, considering that your server’s rise to 2nd place is relatively recent? Not to mention, we darned well make you lot fight for it.

With that said, whichever server SpitfireXD and friends end up on (assuming the choices being FC or ET) will darned well be happy for the influx.

Dear Gods, folks. Don’t some of you see the logical upside here? Let’s break it down a bit:

What are the three main things Mesmer-haters whinge like soiled toddlers about?
(Mind you, these things are also the reasons folks say we need 0 major class issues FIXED)
1.) Portal (has eaten some nerfs)
2.) Time Warp (Has eaten a hardcore nerf, along with all Quickness)
3.) Shatter Damage (which has had the major “bug” at least altered, via .25 sec internal C/D)

Now, is it not logical that there are no longer bloody ginormous roadblocks between
us, and REAL bugfixes/QoL improvments? Goodness, folks. This can end up working out for the lot of us. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got my eyes on some downright proper speed buffs … or interesting future skill options.

Heh. I must be the only one what had a good experience with the new armour.
Think Condition Mesmer: I was missing Rabid boots/coat, until last night …
Here I thought I’d have to blow ~30 G for Khilbron’s. (But, yes – I did keep the look of my Karma coat.)

On a related note: love the weapon skins. Just tricked my Asura Thief’s weapons out.
T2 Cultural/Some Glyphics … not bad, and cheap.

I’ve got some credit to hand out. To the PvP Ele what kept finding me in DB, helluva job.
And as for the AI Mesmer, nice run. Felt like some Solid Snake action – I’ll kill ye next time.

Eh. I’m ok with the idea that the Glicko Ghetto (such a funny term) is being looked into. Thanks loads.

I’ll just say this: The amount of folk we had in FC last night … let’s do that again. Hell, bring me more berserked Fergs!

Eh, I was planning Siege Bunker, then Increased Supp. Reason being, my condi-mes self’s
almost always in the middle of enemy siege.

I dig it, myself.

@ErlendR
FC, and you know it. It’s all for the irony, man – ex-Kain hanging out with the guys they used to beat on. Plus, we have all the Quaggans

I’m ok with TW getting brought down. Maybe now folk’ll cry less about Mesmers being OP. Now, the beam buff … glad I picked up that Oikomene yesterday

Meh. Suppose I’d best weigh in. I don’t know what other Fergs think – but I’d rather have folk what honestly want to join us on the battlefield, instead of those who’ve been slapped with the stick whilst chasing carrots.
With that said, I’ll back up anyone what actually chooses to join up. Just don’t expect
things to be all Friendship Is Magic here. Yes, we’re underdogs. But you know what,
it makes us mean.

I’ve always liked the fact Asura dress rather unisex. It -IMHO- goes well in hand with the idea that their society places more importance on intellect and achievement, than gender. Although, for folks in general, I’d not be adverse to at least the option of girly-Asura wardrobe. It’ll make someone’s day, at least.

Jeknar.6184:

I Monk For L O V E.7528:

All poor jek wants to do is fit in somewhere You can always come join me on SF

I’ll pass… I rather have SF as the oposition, so I can fight someone…

Fine, then come to Ferg.

Let’s be honest. Only part of the issue (PvE) is the agg-change. The other, and worse issues are:
1.) Generated clones going off after the wrong target.
2.) The channeled attack business (Which I honestly hope gets dealt with, post culling-fix. It’s -IMO- all kinds of silly.)

I expect a “Decoy” to do what it says: appear, look smexxy, and take the hit I’m
trying to avoid. But of course, all the stealth-haters went rampage, and (as as others have mentioned) we got egg on our faces too.

Yea, confusion is a sick beast in WvW. Just imagine what’d happen if we had a non-fail IMage. Especially if that biz about “beam” attacks hitting everything in a line between
you and the target happens. (I honestly think they’ll do it, then retract the buff in a month. By then, they’ll see what GS or Scepter users can pull off with that setup.)

Well, Parktou – consider yourselves lucky it was only 1 Omega and 35 Zerglings.
Silly bastids brought us at least 2 Omegas/50 Zerglings last night. I keep telling our folks, we need to start breaking out our own Omegas.
And people wonder why I’ve started calling this the “Nietzsche Tier.”

@Rhaj/Phillip
Heh. You lot realize that the upcoming Stealth “nerf” will hurt Thieves more than any other Stealth-using class? Especially considering that:
1.) Their Health is bottom-rank
2.) They have an overall lack of defensive Boons, and only one way to apply Stability.
3.) After said Stealth-modding, will not be able to perma-stealth near as easily.
4.) And, don’t forget the incoming fix to Culling. Stealthers should – at that point- render immediately upon attack.

Truth is, Thieves are frigging supposed to be a high-damage class. Get in, kill, get back out. Period. Thus, folks really need to get off their bleeding tails about it.
If I made a “Nerf, plz” thread for everything that managed to kill me, then there’d be
6/8 Professions getting nerfed. Logically, that honestly means that we then need to
buff the other 2 a bit. Then, it’ll all come down to skills.

@Sahfur
Sure. Thief/Mesmer/DD Ele are treated “special.” And that’s why: Ele healing ate a PvP nerf, Stealth is eating a nerf soon, and Mesmers have the crappiest Out-of-Combat speed in game – next to Guardian.
There’s no reason to clutter up a “which class should I play?” thread with that kinda hate. Relax a bit.

Dhar.6392:

Devs should just merge these servers in with T3-5 realms…whatever is most balanced.

There is no reason for the extra servers when the battles are so ‘insignificant’… truly… how much of burden could it be?

Problem is, Dhar – that merely transfers the “Glicko Ghetto” to T7. A better idea would be to reconfigure the system to allocate matchups based on WvW population only. I have a hunch that it instead goes by total server population, more than anything else. Also, it does need to be a certain degree more fluid, RE: population shifting.