People tends to be horrible in term of behaviour when it comes to dungeons (they are however, much cooler in fractals and won’t kick you for nothing), especially Arah, the level of sodium is so strong in this one, that even if you did the paths over 1000 times, you’ll get kick for just one mistake (it can be either a wipe, random aggro, your AP, or the skills/traits you use), and one thing I actually noted: a good portion of them are Thieves…
how was DH nerfed? we’ve received nothing but buffs
This.
If people are disappointed in the Fragment of Faith fix, which was bugged, you have to step back and consider how broken it was by almost one-shotting people on activation. Even if it got changed recently with the damage nerf, it’s still a really good trap with the aegis fragments.
Also, dragonhunter got plenty of buffs now with instant traps, boons on activation as well as a pull on our F1 skill. That is huge.
People also need to stop asking for a 25% speed trait or utility, it shouldn’t be needed at all, and we should instead ask for improved ways of approaching or slowing our enemies, not ask for a boring passive speed boost.
That’s not huge, DH will still be bad in PvE and WvW, and make no sense, they should’ve added Paragon from GW1 with a bit of rework instead of this, because it fits Guardian…
It’s already subpar compared to all the other Elite specs, it’s even worthless in PvE and WvW no matter what you change in the branch and it skills, devs should be more worried about Scrapper stupid boon stacking, Herald insane healing and Chronomancer that makes an already decent class broken…
It’s not like they are removing dungeons. Eles and theivs will still be good there.
Removing them? No, but they’re also not updating them, so it’s not far off.
Fractals still exist, Thief are just incredibly useful because of Dredge fractal and Mai Trin, Ele also has good might stack and general purposes.
It’s just boring, not fun, cheap aswell as glitchy for people not having good CPU because they can’t see some AOE circles, every other boss is fair, but this one is frustrating mainly for that reason, either remove this or change it and do something similar to the Molten Facility…
Thief has only 1 viable build in PvP, Ele has one OP build that makes everything else worthless, and Guard is slowly being replaced in a good spot.
Better go Sword/Shield and Scepter/Torch now dude.
Probably because you’re playing a female human with big attributes.
It should use the current (maxed out and infused) fractal back as a precursor. Would make sense.
4 of these because there’s 4 cubes in the backpiece ( ?° ?? ?°)
Everyone just think Druids are only good for healing…
People WAKE UP!
There are 2 other traitlines the ranger can pick, its old utilities and another weapon (if staff is actually needed in the first place).
What is stopping the druid to run spotter, frost spirit, maybe glyph of empowerment too, and S/A or warhorn as a second weapon set? Have that with ballanced armor stats, and you have a strong healing class with insane group support…
Just because the druid line and staff is all about healing, it does not mean that druids will just stand there spam heals…
And the new pets looks good also.
By learn how to play, I meant boss mechanics, of course you can just stack and kill it, but knowing when to dodge, what skills to use, what trait to swap, that is what makes the difference between someone who claim being meta zerk and someone who play with no defense stats because it’s the fastest way to clear things.
The part of the community that is garbage, is the one thinking they are meta zerk and have no skill or brain.
Experienced people who play with proper gear and actually try to do their best and not just sack kill and move without knowing why won’t blame you for a little mistake, won’t mind to explain to you if you ask, as long as you don’t join saying you’re pro.If you don’t like this playstyle, don’t join those teams, they are teams that don’t want those “optimals” runs.
I don’t see pugging in raids a good thing, it will be a total mess.
Raids will never be like FFXIV where you need to know exactly what the boss is doing and master your class.
And let’s be honest most of the players that do meta only have no skill at all but they get a free ride for having the right gear and class.
Don’t mix up pugs with players that “do the meta”, a large amount of them are nothing like the exp meta they claim they are and want to play with.
Adding this reward system won’t change anything about the fact that no defensive stats is needed and that it’s faster to just run full zerk and learn how to play.
Learn how to play like them or learn how to play by yourself? That’s not the same thing and often cause hatred in dungeons groups, that happens to me at least once per day where I get blamed for a little mistake, I’ll probably find a more active guild and do dungeons with it, because this part of the community is garbage in my oppinion and I hope it won’t be the same for Raids…
Shield 5 isn’t really a buff. Movement is nice, but having a 1.5s channel was already bad. Now they expect having to hold it for 4 seconds to be worthwhile? Even if you don’t have any better skills off cooldown, that’s just begging for an interruption.
I may not have understood…but longer chanel is much better as long as you can move.
You will be able to absorb projectiles much longer and of course you shoul be able to detonate sooner if needed.I think you consider that the bubble will come after 4 sec.
I think the bubble will come as quick as now but will last longer.
If it still has the CC effect, imagine the amount of trolling from Bunker Guard in PvP using the shield.
This was a preview wasn’kitten Meaning there could be more to the balance pass that just our shield right? Maybe there’s some hope in there for reworkong the spirit trait.
They can do it, the same goes for DH traits as kitten and come up with other stuff than traps.
1. Herald
2. Reaper
3. Chronomancer
4. Druid
5. Scrapper
6. Berserker
7. Daredevil
8. Tempest
9. Dragon kittenter using TRUPZ.
Mesmer should not have better stealth abilities than Thief (let alone any at all because it makes no sense to me), it already has the clones and billions of conditions…
This is gonna be insane for fractals and dungeons.
552656kitteno.1938:Thief dev needs to listen to our concerns…
We need to let them know that the poor efforts of our elite spec are way too obvious. Daredevil, Tempest and Dragon Hunter are easily the worst elite specs that have been developed.
And Guardian major components are vanishing because some elites spec does the job better (Herald, Scrapper and Druid now…).
i havent seen any notes, or feedback from the rev forum, but what are rev stats against guardian and warrior? does rev have more natural tankyness? damage, etc
Rev is between Guard and Warrior in HP, but it has Ele diversity with the Legends which means it can do anything, the DPS right now is inferior to Guardian but I’m sure they’ll buff it again so it outshines us and we get left behind except for some Fractals and Arah…
I have shelved my guardian after Revenant elite and now druid has made sure he will never be used again lol.
Either they rework Dragon Hunter entirely or work very kitten the next elite spec, because it’s currently the worst one by far, I can’t see where it’s good outside of WvW zergs…
Druid get’s Wyverns and Dinosaurs, if Dragon Hunter does not good against these I’m done with Guardian and will main Rev…
I think i’m gonna reroll Druid now, Dragon Hunter sucks and is the worst elite spec confirmed!
Charr looks the best as guardian in my oppinion, and then Norn or Sylvari after.
It should have been Sentinel instead of Dragon Hunter, that would’ve fit the class more, with wells instead of traps that give buffs to allies and condis to ennemies, improved virtues and CC Longbow skills…
“Wells that give buffs” are called Consecrations.
Only one Consecration gives a buff, stability, but all we wanted was something different to play, it’s obvious that the devs does not know how to make Guardian different and fix issues like Shield/Tomes/Spirit Weapons.
I main Guardian for 2 years now and needless to say I’m very disappointed with what we got: Useless Traps 4 times inferior to Thief and 7 times inferior to Ranger, even the changes made are pathetic and I hope you guys does not get the same treatment for the Druid…
In b4 “druid is so bad I’m quitting”
…can I have your stuff?
Nothing can be as bad as Dragon Hunter folks, absolutely nothing…
I think Dragon Hunter is cool. It might not be great, but I think the concept is nice.
It should have been Sentinel instead of Dragon Hunter, that would’ve fit the class more, with wells instead of traps that give buffs to allies and condis to ennemies, improved virtues and CC Longbow skills…
In b4 “druid is so bad I’m quitting”
…can I have your stuff?
Nothing can be as bad as Dragon Hunter folks, absolutely nothing…
Would be cool if the new pet is a baby dragon.
Revenant is the true guardian, because when you play it, you really feel like one…
It used to be a good way of purging condis from your group in WvW, this was pre condi buff patch.
Now in large conflicts it’s an instant death sentence as you pull 22 stacks of confusion and 10 stacks of burn and insta die.
It absolutely needs 5 seconds of resistance to make it even partially viable in the current condi meta of WvW. Maybe it’s still useful in sPvP where condis are not as prominent?
It’s not, you’re asking Necros to destroy you if you use it…
it used to be longer then 5 seconds , but people complained it was overpowered at the time, so it was nerfed.
Which in fact wasn’t true, especially now with D/D Ele stacking might and all boons except Aegis…
I think it’s far too late for Zhaitan. He’s dead in the story, he’s not an open world boss and he’s not part of a dungeon. I think the benefits of revamping the fight do not outweigh the costs. Anet should focus on two things: 1) repeatable content (i.e. dungeons, fractals, open world bosses etc) and 2) new content (i.e. living world and expansions). Anything else is a waste of resources in my opinion.
Yes, let them fail Mordremoth fight like Zhaitan…
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
You can’t be serious.
yea im serious.
DH is bad because it has no synergy etc, but if you drop a traitline and use DH, you atleast still have the guardian greatness. You gain a bow, and traps, yippie. They arent that good, at all, but you dont become worthless.
Taking Berserker on Warrior, right now, makes you worthless. No matter what traitline you drop, youre losing damage/utlity/healing/defense/movement speed. It literally has no place anywhere. The condi on it is so weak its almost cry worthy. 15 second up time on a 15s cd… lol. It ONLY supports hybrid builts (which I approve of btw) and it doesnt even do it
Berserker sure is worthless… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St40f1IFawg
oh wow look, you found a video of a guy bursting a zerker necro… WOW. That means its good? A DH can kill a zerker necro just as fast or faster. Doesnt mean its good.
stop, just stop.
You stop, you have better torch skills, much more mobility, true condi builds, while we have nothing good or fun to play when picking DH…
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
You can’t be serious.
yea im serious.
DH is bad because it has no synergy etc, but if you drop a traitline and use DH, you atleast still have the guardian greatness. You gain a bow, and traps, yippie. They arent that good, at all, but you dont become worthless.
Taking Berserker on Warrior, right now, makes you worthless. No matter what traitline you drop, youre losing damage/utlity/healing/defense/movement speed. It literally has no place anywhere. The condi on it is so weak its almost cry worthy. 15 second up time on a 15s cd… lol. It ONLY supports hybrid builts (which I approve of btw) and it doesnt even do it
Berserker sure is worthless… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St40f1IFawg
And then when all elder dragons are defeated, Zhaitan come back to life stronger and makes his dragon brethren risens…
All people playing Guardian for 2 years or more said that traps were bad and DH sucks, they have done everything in this game, and know much better than newer guardians, so it’s true and by no means hate, we just want something different and fun to play, not ‘’Imma AFK and throw the dice to see if this guy’s dumb or not’’….
Oh and btw, Traps ARE BAD!
Sorry to disappoint, but I’ve liked my Ranger’s traps since pre-release more than three years ago, have most recently run a trapper build on my Ranger in PvP, with considerable success, and, while traps would not have been my first choice for a Guardian elite spec, I have been playing my Guardian for nearly three years now (my second-most-played class, by far) and I don’t really have a problem with traps as such. If everything is fixed, buffed, tuned, and so on to the point that it needs to be, I will be quite happily running around with a Dragonhunter in the open world, dungeons, and even PvP — especially Stronghold.
So no, not “every Guardian playing for 2 years or more” has said that traps are awful.
Dragon Hunter traps*, Thieves and Ranger can make good uses on traps like conditions or runes of the trapper for stealth…
I do not envy Anet right now. This irrational hatred for traps, a hatred that appears to be devoid of all reason, logic, and legitimate feedback, seems to be derailing nearly every discussion of the DH. If all you have to contribute is “traps are bad – fact” then you’re not helping. You sound really silly when you say this in response to a thread about how they worked well for a player. Your feedback can and should be immediately ignored.
If you’re responding with “must have been against scrubs” you’re moving the goalposts by using a ‘no true scotsman’ argument as the basis for your response. It’s a logical fallacy and your opinion will be rightfully ignored.
Commenting about how you ‘cannot believe somebody would be excited about dragonhunter’ doesn’t help. That isn’t feedback. Attacking the messenger because you don’t like the message is idiotic. This tendency to try and shout down people who actually like the playstyle the DH has is the wrong way to go about it. Not everyone is going to like the Elite specs their class gets. That’s totally okay. Shouting down those who do like it isn’t okay.
You’re not helping yourself, you’re not helping Anet, and you’re definitely not helping your fellow guardians. Digging through the kittenstorm of posts on DH for actual, useful, actionable feedback is difficult enough already. Stop adding to it.
All people playing Guardian for 2 years or more said that traps were bad and DH sucks, they have done everything in this game, and know much better than newer guardians, so it’s true and by no means hate, we just want something different and fun to play, not ‘’Imma AFK and throw the dice to see if this guy’s dumb or not’’….
Oh and btw, Traps ARE BAD!
I made a post titled “Sorry boys….we got the shaft.” Of course that was locked. Regardless, I still feel the same way. From the name of our “elite,” to the elite trait line, to the longbow, to the shield, to spirit weapons, to signets, to the sword missing, strafing our orbs, and everything else, it’s just sickening.
I have literally been using the same heal (shelter), same elite (renewed focus), and the same 3 medi utilities for the past 2 years. And now I have this kitten to look forward too? Please….And all Obtena has to say is, “don’t play it then.” Give me a break.
This, Spirit Weapons are useless, Signets are half useless, shield is a wrong reason for not using focus, tomes got removed because they didn’t know how to redesign these…
Meanwhile Warriors and Revenant are slowly becoming the TRUE guardians…
No offense bro but seems to me like you were playing complete scrubs
Only bads will talk into your weak kitten traps. If i see you lay a trap i would simply DODGE INTO IT.
Ya you kinda have to have them there before hand, Bluntly standing right on top of your traps with a big red flag that says “TRAPS HERE” doesn’t always work. But that’s the point of traps. You put them where people don’t expect them. Plenty of good players walked into them. And I know they were good players because they managed to get out of them and high tail it before I could wipe the floor with them.
IMA REPEAT THIS IN CAPS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. TRAPS ARE NOT WELLS. THEY ARE A DEFENSIVE UTILITY. YOU HAVE THEM PLACED BEFORE HAND LIKE A SMART PERSON. PLEASE PRACTICE WITH THEM. THEY ARE NOT THE BEST FOR 1V1 OFFENSE. THEY ARE GOOD FOR TEAMFIGHTS. THEY ARE GREAT FOR DEFENSE. THANK YOU THAT IS ALL
They’re still bad, because you have no stability if you go full traps, it’s better to just go anything else because you’re actually useful for others and not selfish…
Who will walk into your traps? Warrior can boot you off, Thieves can shadowstep and destroy you in a few hits, Mesmer has the clones, Necro has minions, D/D Ele will destroy you, Guardians can TP and burst you down pretty easily, Ranger can kite you and has the pet to nail your traps, Engis has turrets, Rev has everything…
Traps are useless, seriously, the only time when it works it’s with Thieves and Runes of Trapper, that’s it, nothing else…
The biggest problem, the root of all evil, is Traps.
Once they rework redesign Traps everything will fall into a good place.
Not redesign Traps, but completely remove these for other stuff, this is worse than the Tomes…
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Berserker is currently worse than DH. watch your tongue
I don’t think so, it’s a bit better than DH, at least you can use it and have some results, DH is just bad in any aspect and not fun to play.
people are upset for 2 main reasons.
The elite spec is crap
Most of the updated skills DIDN’T make it into this test
Mechanics we have been asking for years miraculously make it into other elite specs, such as the revi shieldSo really, i would say we have a VERY good reason to be upset
Revenant support makes me cringe everytime I look at it, it’s just way better than Guardian and there’s a good chance we might get replaced by Rev for Fractals and some Dungeons when HoT comes out, DH is just bad, traps are useless in all game modes, Longbow skills aren’t good enough to pressure somebody in PvP like Ranger and does not have good DPS compared to Scepter, and Virtues are downgraded when you switch to it…
Also, Shield and Torch skills better on Berserker and Herald…
Revenant is the next D/D Ele except it has Guardian stuff in it aswell, so yeah you should be scared.
Way better off hand skills, insane boon stacks, tanks better, more interesting play style, much more mobility and the list goes on… The only thing Guardian has over Revenant is Aegis and maybe Protection but that’s it.
Just wanna know since I don’t have access to the beta…
I only have one thing to say about ‘’Top Tier Players’’ in GW2: Git Gud, go play a real difficult game, do impressive stuff that nobody else can do and then you can claim you’re good or the best, which can’t happen in this game…
You’d be surprised how many of those players are also competitive in MOBAs/CS;GO/Better MMOs
I don’t care, they shouldn’t try to make this game like these, and I know how toxic the communities are in DOTA 2, LoL and CS GO, just because they were playing these games doesn’t mean they should consider themselves elites in this one or vastly superior to people, that’s not playing, that’s complexing…
I only have one thing to say about ‘’Top Tier Players’’ in GW2: Git Gud, go play a real difficult game, do impressive stuff that nobody else can do and then you can claim you’re good or the best, which can’t happen in this game…
I like bashing Anet but saying you could get similar amount of content in $10 DLC is a bit too much. DLC that costs $10 usually gives you like an armour or so.
Dark Souls 2: Scholar of The First Sin, 20€ and I spent over 200+ hours with the content it gave me.
Lets be fair here, that DLC is actually 3 DLC’s, each costing 10$. Not really a fair comparison.
Dark Souls 2 sucks also.