Guild Wars 2

Lead.1784:

I actually signed into my forum account, and I never do, because I KNEW there would be a forum thread about this. GvGs aren’t the point. The point is that Anet, you are getting increasingly detached from your most loyal playerbase day by day. The proof was in that stream. I could not BELIEVE how you guys just ignored the people crying out for a GvG mode. You act like they don’t exist and even act like they detracted from the stream somehow….that stream was crap, to be honest, (some Q&A…..seriously) and it’s incredibly insulting to the hardcore guilds that make up the core of WvW the way you simply ignore us, in a stream for the very gamemode most of us play exclusively. I can’t believe how blind you guys are to this cash cow right under your noses. You try to push sPvP like the plague as an esport where a set GvG mode really has the potential to blow up. How can you not see this? There are so many people involved in this GvG scene with absolutely zero support from you lot. Imagine if you showed the slightest bit of support.

You keep catering to the lazy PVE crowd, the group of players will be gone to another game the second a new shiny one is out. You don’t cater to the people who can see what WvW really could be. We do our best with what we have, but I don’t think you realize, Anet, how GOOD the pvp in this game really is. There is a reason we started playing this game and still are, the few of us PvP people who are left. Most games don’t have pvp that is as good, as interesting, or as diverse as this game’s, less are MMOs. Even lesser still are still available to play. The siege buffs, especially ACs are completely ruining this aspect of the game. Do you seriously think that all the people trying to get you to stop are all trolls?

Believe it or not, whatever sample of the playerbase you have in your testing IS NOT helping WvW. I am trying to tell you. I am trying to warn you. All of us are. They are not representative of the people who play WvW. That much is obvious. The PvP people play this game to actually play the game and fight other groups of players. All people do anymore is sit in towers with siege, this is NOT the game that we love so much. That is spamming 3 buttons and having them be effective because they hit obscenely more targets than anything else, and do more damage than most player groups. How is that rewarding? How does that encourage actually playing the kitten classes in this game?

I am telling you this, because when both groups of people move from this game, the PvErs because of a new carrot and the PvP crowd because of horrible support from you guys, you will be left with no one. “Splitting the zerg” won’t matter. We have all seen what happens to servers when the core WvW guilds just aren’t there. They die. They have no community. The PvP crowd will leave in whole guilds and it will be sudden. The PvErs will leave slower but it will be steady and pick up as time goes along. You will either fix this now or this game is doomed to fail. I sincerely hope you change before you remember this crossroads when it is far too late. That’s my 2 cents and I think that many of the WvW crowd would agree with what I am saying.

+1

Xista.7391:

If it weren’t for achievements, many people probably wouldn’t even bother with (most) of the living world content.

I would 100% not even touch the content without achievements.

Is my game bugged or did someone just buy the whole supply ? Price went up 3x and for me it says 42 in supply.

2 weeks updates really seems like they prefer quantity over quality.
The gauntlet was buggy as hell for example.

Id rather have one quality update every months/2 months than mediocre full of bugs 2 week updates.

I have only finished one invasion and still the achievements didnt update.

DevonCarver.5370:

And to cut it off now, we are not making WvW rank account bound.

Is there an actual good reason for this ?

Everything has a 2 second delay, the GAME is UNPLAYABLE.

Next time just shut down the server because this is just kittening absolutely ridiculous.

Get off your kitten and walk back like the rest of us. When I die I dont even bother asking for a res, I waypoint and have a walk of shame back up. Simple.

500g so far

/15charrrrr

I really couldn’t care less for some liquid wxp or wxp boost.

Wonder if they WONT change it or CANT ?

Sad either way.

Motoko.2875:

(Guild versus Guild, also known as GvG or Guild Battle, is a strategic form of PvP which matches two teams of eight players from different guilds against each other in the Guild Halls.)

Sorry, you have clearly mistaken GW2 for another completely different game that is GW1, it is alright tho, happens a lot :]

Topher.1684:

kingcragus.6810:

^ But you get the point right?

Not really. What you posted is not what anyone has asked for in this thread. Making wxp account bound instead of character bound is 100% reasonable if only for the fact that the other side of pvp already has account based lvls.

Exactly, why does pvp have account wide ranks where there it is way more important what class you play and what you are good at, e.g. Im rank 50 only played on necro then switch to thief and I have no clue what I am doing, but I am still rank 50 lol ?
Wvw is a lot different I am sure the veteran wvw players know.
Makes no sense atm, make wvw ranks acc wide !

Essence Snow.3194:

I wish they would touch base with us on the subject, but I doubt they will. Playing alts is one of the best ways to keep players from burning out on content, yet they keep discouraging it. Seems rather counter intuitive to me.

yes

I think inactive/disbanded teams should be removed from the ‘ladder’ like on esl.eu, and whenever you’re active again just sign up and you keep the points you have earned.

SupahSpankeh.8452:

If you have a legendary, that means you didn’t sell it for ~1500g. That shows a serious lack of mental processing. Either that, or you had 1500g spare, which means you’re a trading post trader (thanks for the inflation guys!) or you converted cash to gold, in which case your real life priorities are so kittened there aren’t words for it.

Huh??? Its been nearly a year after launch even a casual could have made a legendary by now.
I will never make a legendary to sell it, THAT is a serious lack of mental processing.
1500g gold to spare does not equal TP trader or gold buyer, its been a whole year…, I am a wvw player and got a legendary and close to a 2nd one because their skins are simply way better than others imo, simple as that.

Wow…some people.

I go for the skins, I cant do anything about the fact that they are expensive to craft, I want it and I get it eventually by playing the game.
Reputation ? Sry that doesnt make sense to me.
Anything that involves PvE doesnt impress me, PvP and maybe WvW on the other hand…

Are the builds for roaming or large scale battles ? :/

I took a quick look at the builds and the ones I checked seem to be missing a lot of useful stuff :/ Where are the shouts ? Why endure pain and berserkers stance ? They are selfish skills and one should not need them if you position yourself and know when to engage and when not to. ( same story with shield 5 )

Any build can work but there are usually 1 or 2 builds that are just simply better for wvw (when I say wvw I do not mean roaming)

This is what I use and proved to me by far the best build for zerging/gvg)

Use ~25 crit chance, ~50% crit damage, ~3k armor, ~3k attack, ~26k+ HP.
Hammer and Sword+ Warhorn are amazing right now. Sword leap is a must and warhorn swiftness, aoe vigor, aoe weakness and more importantly a Blast finisher and condi removal.
0/0/20/30/20 with Dogged march, Last stand (optional), empowered/empowered allies, quick breathing, healing shouts and signet mastery/warriors sprint and destruction of the empowered.

Use melandru or soldier runes, I prefer soldier.
Healing signet (must), FGJ, Shake it off, balanced stance (or dolyak signet with signet mastery and signet of rage) and warbanner/SoR.

You deal awesome damage, you got insane survivability with condi removal, sword mobility, healing shouts, adrenal health+healing signet regen and you support allies with warhorn+shouts…also with great CC from hammer and sword f1.
And use lemongrass food for -40% condi duration.

A close variation to this build like 0/0/30/30/10 can also work but I really value -5s on weapon swap and extra dmg from boon hate.

Yep I know some people are lucky in the forge getting several precursors, same people has got 2 or 3 entropys + other 100g drops etc while I play more and farm more than them and have never got anything which was worth more than 10g in 2400h played.
I work way harder get 100g they get rewarded for dumb luck and get 1000g. Its stupid.

I find spectral grasp extremely slow and buggy so I switched in targetable wells and well of darkness. Dagger 5 and WoD when he’s mid, nuke him with spite, blood is power, scepter auto ..when he teleports and killshots I use DS fear and flesh golem knock down when available and he should be dead, always got dagger #4 blind or staff fear as back up.

I hate how very rarely killshot even hits when he’s blinded, and I blinded him before he even started the animation… soo buggy…
One time I killed him with 1 scepter auto as well, that was great.
And now I entered the arena yet there was no boss to be seen but lots of mines.
Never seen anythign this buggy before.

For MM you need the minion traits, blood magic minions siphon health etc get dagger/focus and staff some food etc was easy.

16 achievements needed, 13 in the living story category. How many queens dailies do you think you need to complete … ?

Fairly easy with a necro (condi for me) as long as you know the pattern etc.
All you need is a ranged weapon, some condi removal for phase 2 and kite/burst her down. Every class can and has done it.

I did the achievement with a MM build and continued farming for a bit till I got bored…does the squeamish gambit reduce condi damage tho ?

Everything is fine just fix the bugs like mobs not despawning from previous challenge etc, liadris is fine as it is…. maybe orbs could be ranged thats it but aoe skills already kill that so… :/
Did it as a necro fairly quickly, know the pattern and learn to play your class, all classes can do it, you dont really need mobility it might make it easier but not needed at all, just use a ranged weapon imo, condi removal on 2nd phase and kite him moving in the same direction, any class can do that.
Did all but 8 orb achievement on necro went through most of it on power build, liadri on condi build and 5 gambit achievement on a MM necro.

As a Necro I used chill/cripple/fear as cc on a full condi build and bursted him down before he could do anything.

Just stop with the two week releases, its too much for players and imo the developers, focus on quality a bit more and give the players some space to chill out -.-
Once per month would be great…tho just after announcing the 2 week thing I imagine it is not going to get changed :o

For 3 gambits (exhausted, hamstrung and burning) I used a power necro on Subject 7 and for 5 gambits (everything but crowd favourite) MM necro with lifestealing etc on also Subject 7.

Done all of the achievements on a necro quite successfully with 1-3 tries also liadri on a condi build. ( havent done the 8 orb liadri tho, not even gona try for now)

Im just very mad. I bet you can tell.

what an absolute mess, camera view is kittened, have to wait in a queue every time to try again, really ? does anet even think, at all ?

nvm tried it again and as I entered the arena I instantly fell to my death because the last challanger ran out of time, I mean how buggy can you make it anet ? seriousy ? ?!= "

I buy food and spend most of the time waiting in a queue until they run out of time so i can get in and drop to my death instantly and get back to queue.

How bad is this.

Everything I do has a ~1s delay, internet is fine etc just the patch did something…

How can they kitten up everything, wasted all my initial tickets on bugged runs where I get knocked down CONSTANTLY by NOTHING.

Honestly what a kittening joke and a disgrace.

Achilles.2197:

sorry, but there’s nothing skilled about zerg vs zerg.

next

really

Anyone know the name of that set ? :0

off topic a bit, what weapon skins are these ? https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/f9681qj-screen-04.jpg

Monsoon.2589:

NO

wvw points should be toon specific. Not my problem if you only want to grind the ranks once but my Warrior is a higher level because I use him more than my Necro. My Necro is only 20 something in ranks and should NOT be 50 something because it is still being leveled and not even level 30/80

wvw rank represent the toon NOT the player or the account

Also you do NOT need wvw ranks, it is a measure of what each individual toons are doing as a progression. If you make a level 3/80 ranger and you get attacked the player will see that you are a noob as a ranger. It would make no sense to see that you have the rank of (whatever) when you have just started playing that profession.

Let me quote something from another thread:
Why are world ranks not account bound? I’m almost more surprised that sPvP is account bound but WvW isn’t, because in WvW your profession’s role is more homogenized due to the massive scale of objectives and siege weaponry, whereas in sPvP your profession is very important.

In other words, you can be almost equally effective in WvW as an experienced level 80 Necromancer or a newbie level 80 Mesmer, as long as you are a veteran WvW player. Whereas in sPvP, just because you are a veteran sPvP player does not mean you are going to be good on a newbie level 80 Mesmer if you’ve never touched the profession before.

…

WvW should be account wide it is obvious and arenanets reasoning for it to be character bound is completely ridiculous imo. It stops me from playing alts in wvw, it really does.

DevonCarver.5370:

Shimdroid.2765:

Because with this system they can add ranks without touching the existing ones, in the other way you propose they should modify the entire ranking system each time they add a rank.

This is indeed why the system is built as it is. It is also intended to last for a very, very long time. Beyond that, we are going to be continuing to increase the rate at which you gain those ranks.

Cheers for the reply, but honestly having too many ranks is never a problem, what is a problem however is the fact its character bound, why is that ? Why does it differ from PvP ranks ? Read what Gilgamesh said about the ranks, that’s what I mean, it doesn’t make any sense to me !

I find all these festivals and achievements to finish exhausting…slow down a bit…

Yes, I would please love a developer response on exactly why are WvW ranks character bound ? Especially when sPvP ranks are account wide, why is this any different ? For me it does not make any sense especially with the amount of ranks there are…

Thats why I mentioned GvG or just more small-scale fights, power will always be better for blowing up blobs.
Also using condi duration runes(lyssa,nightmare)/+ 40% condi duration food etc doesnt it negate the -65% that melandru +food warriors have ? Not sure how that kitten works.
Also keep in mind that 4 epidemics on one target with 5 stack of bleeding for example will cause 5 players to get 20 stacks on them, obviously the stacks can spread out to 10 players instead etc but still, same goes for vulnerability (5%-25% more damage depending on the RNG and how many melee they got)… also that kind of condi bomb will be hard to cleanse because most of the melee train will have a full set of condis on them and used at the right time it can be very effective.

I ran a condi build for a long time in wvw months ago, I used to run corrupt boon (pre-nerf) and epidemic and I used to cast it on the enemy guardian (commander best option) with a full set of boons and then epidemic, a few necros in my group did the same and every time we landed corrupt boon on the commander we pretty much forced them to stack up and heal and they were in a very bad situation Just mentioning this because condis and focusing players at the right time can really have a big effect.

I have just recently discovered this http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/World_Experience

And I would like to know how ridiculous do you guys think that is especially when the ranks are not account wide

Amazing.

Been theory crafting a bit with condi builds in GvG. Lets say in a 20v20 4 necros running Signet of spite + epidemic + well of corruption could do some damage to the enemy melee train. Condi bomb (+ staff rotation +DS #2/5) used at the same time by all necros and more importantly used at the RIGHT time, not as soon as you engage, rather wait till they blow their utility cooldowns etc.
Havent tested this, but Im going to when I get the chance.

Necros have always been one of the most useful and powerful classes in wvw, I really dont know what some of you are saying… ???
Blinds, poison etc + insane damage + plague etc. Aoe, aoe and more aoe. Use a power build when zerging.

If you mean roaming then your not talking about wvw sorry, thats not wvw, you should specify that you mean roaming withing wvw.
If you roam then condi build is preferred imo, get a terror/burning build and honestly you should win 90% of your 1v1 encounters.

Yep, restoration sigil, compote and 5 in spite can be really helpful for zerg busting.

Also the reason why Im not using my 30 spite build.. personally, I feel like necro can offer a bit more than just damage, meaning losing chilling darkness would be a bad trade for just seeing bigger numbers and being kinda selfish…. and maybe even for example in my suggested 0/20/0/20/30 (for people who dont like death magic) would allow you to use well mastery and that means more of boon conversion/blinding well which are very important and I will try that build out when I get home, but Ill have to buy my 4th set of ascended trinkets to make the stats work ;[
And maybe even with the fat DS life pool, traited spectral armor, lifestealing from blood I could switch the stunbreaker for well of darkness, I honestly think that should be enough even if you do get CC, I never used to run stunbreaker for the majority of my time in wvw, I never really had a problem with stuns but since I started using it in tPvP (its a must there imo) I equipped spectral walk/armor for wvw as well.
And with stability used preemptively with 30 in soul reaping I think I should be fine, but thats me, I am always that guy who very, very rarely dies so I think reapplied aoe blind would be worth the trade off.

Lalnuir.4957:

Ascii.9726:

The drop in Toughness and the Boon Duration will hit your boons alot, 25% less on a 25 might stack is quite noticeable

Except your build doesn’t supply that might so your boon duration means nothing. Unless I’m terribly wrong about how fire fields + blast finishes work.

On the more constructive side would you consider dropping spectral walk for spectral wall or well of darkness? Does the lack of a stun breaker out weigh the benefits of either skill? The swiftness seems pointless to me when running with a guild group.

Its more about the stunbreaker and life force, swiftness is a bonus. Its always possible to switch in spectral wall for holding chokepoints/fighting on keep walls etc, tho in open field I think its not worth it. And well of darkness is always useful, you just gotta know you role and what your guild needs, if you need damage you get suffering, if your melee are having a hard time switch in well of darkness.
I think stunbreaker is incredibly useful, but for me the utility slot changes constantly between well of corruption/darkness/suffering and spectral walk/armor/wall.
Choose wisely depending on the situation

I wouldnt worry about 4 seconds of retal because I use it before plague obviously, but very rarely I stay in plague for the full duration, 15 seconds is enough, we usually disengage to regroup/heal quite quickly after a push to keep everyone healthy, unless of course you need to keep the pressure up but thats situational.
Might stack will be a bit of a loss.
And Id still go for stability over target the weak, with the current meta you will not have many conditions on your opponents and if Id be abusing DS alot and going in with retal/locust swarm I might have stability as well.
Also I dont think soul marks are needed especially without the 20% staff cdr trait, rather piercing life blast, 15% cdr on ds skills or death shroud cdr.

LoRdZeRo.5364:

Soul Reaping trait line is only useful if you want more crit damage

I dont see how this is true, you got traited spectral armor which is amazing, DS cooldown reduction, larger life force pool and most importantly stability on demand. Getting caught behind a line/ring of warding/earthshaker might happen and then you can pretty much get smashed without stability… I value that way more than life stealing from vampiric (not saying its bad) especially when I can pop into DS to soak up damage more often.
As far as blob/zerg killing goes you get more than enough sustain from DS and the sigil/foods which are often preferred for such fights, like restoration sigil/omnomberry compote.
For GvG type of fights I have spectral armor x2 + lowered DS CD for the shield and obviously stability to help when actually getting focused and I can easily dodge to safety.

Also on the bright side after using my axe/staff rotation and wells I will most likely pop DS for some extra big damage channels from DS 4, and guess what, you will have stability so you cant get interrupted I really hate it when I get CC-d when channeling DS4 :p
At least thats how I personally roll.

Ok so im bored and would like to know what some of you think. As I see it you need to set your traits 1st and then find the gear to balance the stats etc.
Basically I find death magic trait line next to useless honestly, minor traits being useless and only half-decent trait is staff cdr for wvw, unblockable and bigger marks dont make that big of a difference in wvw, you will hit 5 people anyway.
You can make up for the toughness with a few changes of armor pieces and for boon duration, 19 or 15 seconds of retal doesnt really make a big difference.
And clearly as you have probably noticed I like the soul reaping tree so I thought maybe 0/20/0/20/30 ? Can have the extra life stealing on top of the DS sustain which I mentioned and well mastery.
Even most tPvP build ignore death tree nowadays anyway.
Just throwing this option out there.

Ascii.9726:

Melandru runes might be expensive to buy but remember they are runes on temple armour so 252k karma will get you the runes from salvaging.

I am pretty sure you cant salvage karma armor for runes (its what ive heard and makes sense), otherwise I imagine melandru runes would be worth about 20s :p

Legendaries should be like HoM rewards/achievement point skins

Ascii.9726:

When you prove to me 30 point Spite Wellomancers work and don’t get your team killed through countless enemy rallies because of your lack of defense then ill take your opinion as something other then theorycrafting guesswork.

I think you are being a bit unfair…
Just wondering, how exactly could someone prove that ?
Right now Im testing 30/10/0/0/30 in WvW guild roaming and zerg killing only, id switch to my previously mentioned build for some more serious guild fights tho..
The build works great, at least with spectral armor, a fat DS life pool and traited armor. I dont die and I do insane damage. Ive been playing long enough to know that the most important thing in wvw/gvg is NOT DIEING. I would never run a build where I might be the reason 10+ people just rallied and completely turned the fight around. Its viable but I prefer my other build.
Maybe it doesnt work in NA tier 1 or whatever I dont know, but I wouldnt count it out either.

I have more than 2k hours on necro and ~500 on warrior and mostly do wvw and tpvp on the side, and I have over 360 wvw ranks if that makes me sound more credible lol…

And I do think blind is better than weakness tho, if you want weakness get offhand dagger and enfeebling blood on DS.

Warlord.9074:

Wrong shouts are healing for around 3k every 25-30 seconds. And curing 4 conditions. on a 3 shout build. With no stability, and one stun breaker.

Pretty sure shouts heal ~1.4k and no one would ever run without dolyak signet/balanced stance. So thats 2.8k heal to 5 people every ~25 seconds, meaning 5 warriors (tho usually we run more) will heal for ~70k every 25 seconds while having 2 stunbreakers.

I also think Stomp maybe works for some people, but it can really be a waste of a slot because people tend to use stability, its a must in organized groups, best that will happen is that you will knock that 1 unlucky guy without stability out of the group and he get right back in :/
Also builds with endure pain/defy pain its like you are going into a fight knowing you will die. Waste of a trait and a utility slot really. If you need both of them you are doing something wrong, there are way better options imo.

I use 0/0/20/30/20, the healing shout is just too good for group sustain during a fight along with healing signet+adrenal health+dogged march regen, its amazing.
You could basically just use 2 shouts+stability with melandru runes and lemongrass for -65 condi duration AND the healing shouts for the sustain.
If you want big damage then you got eles/necros for that.
And water blasting during a fight will get messy and fields will overlap (null field, wells etc), its best to shout during combat and do quick regroups with waterfields imo.

Interesting to try with 0 shout heal warriors tho and switching the shouts for some other utilities, but I dont think there are many utilities that are useful in wvw lol, might think of something tho.

Not sure but I am guessing the situations on NA and EU are different and depends on the server rank/match ups you usually get etc.
I started off with a full PTV set in wvw ages ago and kept playing and playing and adjusting my build/gear switching some pieces for zerker/cavalier etc and right now Im pretty safe with ~1.7k toughness and 22k hp.
I think you just gotta play the meta and see what works for you, playing on EU in Piken/deso server where its mostly guilds roaming around and a few pug blobs here and there (but they usually get rolled over without much trouble) you clearly see how much defensive stats you can sacrifice for more damage the more you play and experiment.

If thats what he finds works for him best with the gear stats and traits then whatever, no point really argueing. You shouldnt just copy his build imo, you maybe get a few new ideas etc and make your own depending on your preference and what is your role in the guild and what tier you play in, is it 60+ pug blobs (where for example restoration sigil+omnomberry compote food is awesome) or is it ~20 man groups roaming or even GvG where the build/food/sigils are sometimes completely different to what they are in just wvw.