Guild Wars 2

What are you doing about those Mesmers?

Ranger, main hand axe, lots of conditions, 3 stun breaks, and cross your fingers you can avoid both Moa’s

Ravenmoon.5318:

It never did what you described.

Ontopic, unless hammer autoattack crits for 11k then no, it is not hitting as hard as true shot and the title is bogus.

I call BS on that, but it’s a moot point now because they are quite manageable after the recent balance patch.

Ranger of course! Why you might ask? Because that’s what I use!

I kind of think all classes are hard to master, while many are easy to play poorly.

Ravenmoon.5318:

He probably is playing with over 120 ping. Nothing wrong with revenant though. I’ve never been rubber banded into the line of sight for the staff #5 Actually no skill “rubber bands” me unless I lag.

Hm… I wonder. Was playing earlier today and had no trouble evading it with dagger-4. Pulled that off twice. Maybe I was lagging the other times, or it was fixed with patch?

“How does it feeling destroying necros?”

Good. It feels good. :-)

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Archon.6480:

Ellie.5913:

Rev doesn’t seem very powerful at all to me, I’ve been soloing then with my warrior using nothing but a long bow.

Ha, ha! I think that’s the point. They fall pretty fast to Sw/T – A/D, but they deserve it for having such broken OP abilities. I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it is to be pulled out of your well timed evasive skill by some noob who pressed 5 on rev staff at the wrong time. How is it skill when you can’t evade?

Evade into the rev or to the side, not backwards. This is not a hard attack to dodge once you see it coming, and revs often make it VERY obvious.

Agreed, it’s not hard to dodge, but it is bugged and rips you out of dodge skills and evasive skills half the time. I’ve had it rip me out of SW-3, SW-2, and D-4. It once rubber banded me out of Sw-2 and put me right in the line of attack to take full damage.

So, fix that, or let them curl up and roast under condition pressure. I vote for the latter.

Hm, I like seeng my name on some sort of “leaderboard.” Maybe you could add an Unranked rating/leaderboard that is different than the Ranked pip board?

It would be a nice way to get players used to the idea of being ranked and rated.

Also, I am one who says Staff does more actual damage in PvP than LB, and I stand by that. There is simply too much projectile hate floating around. LB arrows get swallowed.

Em, staff AA heals your allies and also Procs a bunch of healing traits. It also has much better utility, so the comparison is moot.

They went three years with no requirement to pay for anything they added! And, they added a lot! Gosh, you should see how blizzard screws its player base over.

Blizzard just sued a bunch of people who tried to stand up a free to play WoW server with their own money. It was a free version of the original game.

ANet sells you the game for $50.00, then gives you free updates for 3 years. They charge you nothing to log into their servers. After 3 years they release an expansion and charge you $50.00 to buy it, and make the first version of the game COMPLETELY free.

Your argument is kitten BS. How do you expect them to pay their staff?

Ellie.5913:

Rev doesn’t seem very powerful at all to me, I’ve been soloing then with my warrior using nothing but a long bow.

Ha, ha! I think that’s the point. They fall pretty fast to Sw/T – A/D, but they deserve it for having such broken OP abilities. I can’t begin to tell you how frustrating it is to be pulled out of your well timed evasive skill by some noob who pressed 5 on rev staff at the wrong time. How is it skill when you can’t evade?

Revs are weak to conditions but too strong against non-condition classes. So… Most people switch to conditions when they see a rev or two on the other team.

Nerf Shiro/Glint and then give condition mitigation. Or leave it as is so we can continue to stomp those filthy noobs who try to slot an OP class for easy win!

Hm, it’s great for might stacking and boosting your condi power. Pair it with Nature Magic trait line for max might stacked beasties. It’s actually really powerful.

I think we stay bruiser-support, or bunker-support. I don’t know, I’ve managed to make some high damage Condi builds without Staff, but they just aren’t competitive, outside trolling unranked.

For ranked, Shortbow is still way too weak. The skills are rather lame. There might be some kind of Axe/D, Staff build, but…. I have not found one yet…

The real problem for Druid is the amulet selection. Druid kinda needs some sort of healing component, and there are only a few amulets that have it. I still can’t believe they removed crusader.

I can still use it, but ANet went overboard on the Range reduction. It should be 900. Honestly, I don’t know why they make changes that are so drastic… Why 50%, why not shave it by 25% and see how that goes?

That being said, I fight on or near point always so 4 out of 5 revives still work for me. You should slot the trait as well for faster revive as you will get beat hard now. I always try to direct people away from the Menders LB/Staff build as it is inferior in my humble opinion. If you use some variation of ROMs S2 build you should be able to survive on point and pull off revives with a bit of timing.

Dadnir.5038:

I just hope we won’t lose any attack speed on the sword AA with this change.

The third animation looks slow enough to get a good whack of mistrust…

Soothsayer.9206:

Kylo Ren after Gw2 s2 sPvP:

Haha, THATs exactly how I felt after loosing 28 pips in Diamond, from T6 all the way back down into T1. I got so angry I was typing obscenities into map chat.

A little hard to call that a success… I think the matchmaking problems were underestimated. That, or they are making new elite specs or something cool and couldn’t be bothered to fix it.

Burn.5401:

That’s what you get for rewarding wins and not punishing losses. (winstreaks and division safe nets)

Hm, but pips are a kind of currency that is traded between players. At the beginning of the season, there are zero pips in the economy. In your way, The only mechanism to add pips to the economy would be by beating players in Amber who have no pips.

In this way no one would make it to Legendary and the queue times would be infinite at the higher levels, unless you wanted to make it so Legendaries can vs Amber players… I don’t think anyone wants that.

As it stands, anytime someone is beaten with 0 pips and the start of a new league, pips are added to the economy. The are also added when players break loosing streaks and get on win streaks. If we reduce the rate at which pips are added, gaps within a pip range could form and the range for finding competitors would need to be increased causing unfair and unbalanced matches.

Chaith.8256:

Teamwork OP. As the stronger mechanical player on the team, the less you interact with your teammates fights, the more that the skilled enemy players are gonna farm them.

Try babysitting instead of lone wolfing.

^ Good advice, babysitter > solo star

Leagues are still somewhat a Non Zero Sum game, so we all succeed or fail collectively at attaining Legend. As more people rise in Rank it can potentially get easier for certain players to rise. The first season was completely Non Zero Sum. The more the merrier, we helped each-other attain legend.

This season has an element of Zero Sum-ness, in that the matchmaker groups people by MMR, which kind of makes it so 5 players excel by knocking 5 other players down. Still, you can only loose 1 pip for loosing and gain more than 1 for winning on a streak. Because of this streaking, it becomes slightly non zero sum. Collectively we, as a community, gain more pips than we loose.

Be careful what you ask for. If they made it a completely zero sum game, the tears would be atrocious. The premades and ESL players would most likely lock everyone out of the higher leagues. Many would not even make it to Sapphire.

godsie.2864:

I have never claimed to the best and never want to attain legendary rank judging by the attitudes of most people in higher divisions.

Hey, hey, we’re not all bad. Even some of the ESL players have been pointing out there are problems. Some of us really enjoy the game and care that there are problems. I would be surprised if NeXeD is legendary, even more if he is any good…

The strategy for matching solo players up has some problems that I think will be fixed next season. The only foolproof way to get out of the snowball is to find some other players around your skill level and team up with them. Three players can break the snowball easily (In my experience). Even two can make a difference.

Don’t listen to the trolls. I am sure you are not ESL caliber (neither am I), but it’s fair to say things are tilted against you. Be really nice to everyone and open in chat at the start of a match. Say what you are planning to do, even tell your allies you are on a horrible snowball, do your best, remain positive, draw on map, etc.

If you find a good ally, add them as friend and try to team up. I had a lot of help this season from friends and the matches went from horrid to exciting. Good luck, keep playing your best and use your social prowess to overcome the system.

Just made it to legendary in PvP not to long ago for second season in a row, so I’d say it’s pretty good in PvP. Actually, I enjoy it more than GW1 Ritualist now, so I’d say it is awesome. It also has unique abilities to boost party dps so is great for raids, fractals, etc (mathematically and I think practically—I don’t do raids).

Take a look at the following mesmer skill, close you eyes and image the incredibly long animation on the third strike. Anyhow the skill name describes how I feel about this.

All joking aside, this is probably going to be pretty cool. I am hesitantly somewhat excited. 1h sword can do massive direct damage right now, so I hope it doesn’t loose that feature.

I owe you an apology then. From your response to fluffy, I thought you were trolling with Rodzy. That’s not the case, so I am sorry. I think your build looks fantastic btw. Great mobility, condition damage and removal, and guard for well timed might stacking.

Looks very fun and I bet it is very effective as well.

I think I am going to go sit in my revamped (utterly destroyed) healing spring and cry in the corner with my revamped sword.

Well, here’s hoping it gets better and not worse…

Edit: after watching video more closely, is anyone else worried it no longer cleaves and the long animation on the 3rd strike only hits once? It’s hard to tell from the video, but…

I think it’s worth buying if you are interested in PvP. The HoT builds are stronger than non-Hot by about what feels like 30%. Unfortunately, build diversity has decreased with the removal of several Amulets and the addition of the elite trait lines, which are stronger than the others. That beings said, the remaining META builds are fun to play and worth it.

There is something wrong with the matchmaking that is causing long loose/win streaks and is generally punishing to soloers. If you have a friend or two to play with, this is not an issue.

spectre.5261:

…and now we have a bunch of whiners complaining that they are being prevented from getting Legendary due to the mysterious phenomenon of “MMR hell”, or rather “Trust me, I’m a good player, Arenanet just puts me with a bunch of bads all the time”. I’ve seen the types of players in Diamond and Ruby and most of them are flat out terrible…

Well, your analysis of the problem exemplifies what we are talking about. If the league system has placed “terrible” players is Ruby and Diamond, it’s obviously not working right. What do you think the odds are that terrible players are in Legendary as well? If you can’t tell the difference maybe you are terrible too? Besides, most of the legends I play against are average. Nothing special, some are below average.

Maybe I am oversimplifying the problem, but why not just decrease the pip range for allies to a smaller pool of around 5 pips, and randomly sort the players you find. Totally ignore MMR. That seems so much more fair than what we have.

When I duo queue with my friends, I have much more enjoyable games (evenly matched) than when I solo it. My friends have the same experience. There is something else going on here that is tilting the matches for soloers.

eye floater.7140:

Flullball.8307, please delete your negative, unhelpful posts.

I think fluff’s post is very accurate, which is fine. This is obviously a troll thread designed to infuriate people, right? I mean, there is no Meta Condi faceroll Druid build on MetaBattle. Non of the meta builds that uses SoS are condi in any way.

Some of us will run the Druid version of the old SW/T A/D build (for nostalgic reasons) using the new amulets, but it is weak in many ways and is not on MetaBattle for good reason. So, yeah, this is a troll thread.

Edit:
I mean it should be obvious a reaper, burn guard, shatter mesmer, would eat you up and spit you out. You only have one decent condi removal ability and relatively low HP pool.

BeepBoopBop.5403:

Archon.6480:

Clearly, unskilled players make it too legendary. I mean, you made it, and you clearly flame your teammates, instead of just adapting. Don’t get me wrong, we all know the current matchmaking system can make anyone want to put their fist through the monitor. If you queue at the wrong time there is NO HOPE to win. We all know this season is a bigger fail that S1.

When one guy is the only one not on the same page with the team and is constantly dying 2 v 1 in a position that is the worst place to be for his class, who is really failing at adapting?

Actually, on second thought, I think you are probably right. I might have been too harsh on you. I’ve seen all kinds of stuff that would make most people angry as hell. I should have just said, better off not to curse them out. Ugh… I am the troll now.

Yeah, same. 5+ wins, 5+ losses, 1 game in 20 interesting. I gave up and rolled a max damage troll build for fun. GG ANet. You win… You know you are in trouble when the second you get into match your teammates are commiserating and yelling obscenities into chat… Before the match starts. LoL. Play with a team or GTFO.

Clearly, unskilled players make it too legendary. I mean, you made it, and you clearly flame your teammates, instead of just adapting. Don’t get me wrong, we all know the current matchmaking system can make anyone want to put their fist through the monitor. If you queue at the wrong time there is NO HOPE to win. We all know this season is a bigger fail that S1.

Revenant staff 5? Not only does it do ridiculous amounts of damage, it is bugged and teleports you out of evasive skills into its path. Nothing but skill…or button mashing.

Locuz.2651:

Quite funny how ppl just find the most random excuses for their losses.

It’s not random, it’s programmed that way. Find 10 players within a certain pip range (15 I think), put the best on one team, put the others on the other team, and see what happens. It’s very exciting.

I can’t figure out why they don’t let you see the matchup before the game starts.

Lord Hammer Hand.4815:

your within the pip range of those low mmr diamond players. no problem here.

Yes, don’t believe your lying eyes…

Fivedawgs.4267:

True I agree, also condi is Def better than power in this meta. But when it comes to power, we can go toe to toe with revs, our survavility is what’s lacking.

Hey, I think I was in a bunch of games with and against you today. All were fun, I agree warrior has really nice DPS but, like you say, the survivability is a bit low from what we would expect warrior to have. Regardless, there is no reason to throw a fit when you see a warrior. It’s possible to work with them.

Gwen, complete with clones and AoE Moa.

S&R is a really strong skill but can be easily mitigated. Kill Druid first or change target to Druid the instant his ally goes down. S&R is relatively weak against skilled players, unfortunately. They counter it too well. Scrapper gyro is better res skill.

Shylock.4653:

Pyriall.1683:

More people can walk and chew gum at the same time than those who cannot.

Yeah, but in this case you need different parts of your body. For playing and typing you need your hands. So in your example try eating a steak while you chew a gum. ;-)

This, exactly. I say there is no such thing as toxic and good because toxic players spend so much time yip yapping into chat, to boost their own ego, they blow the game. Even if they have a greater mechanical skill (highly unlikely) than the other four players—they end up wasting their own time and everyone else’s in the process. So, the act of being toxic excludes you from being good or competent (and by that, I mean a worthwhile addition to the team for the purposes of winning).

Of what value is a player’s supposed skill if he negatively effects the performance of his four other teammates. It takes 5 to win, so I say, relatively worthless. A beginner would have a greater positive impact and can be carried by the other four.

Sekai.2987:

Archon.6480:

There is no such thing as a toxic good player. .

well thats bs, i think one of the most known toxic players on EU is leeto and even though i think he is an kitten i would prefer him on my team over 90% of other necros because he is good at his class

there are alot of ppl i have on my block list just because they are kittens, but i know they are good players so i dont mind when im in the same team with them

Then you would prefer a toxic bad player with more skill than a kind bad player with less skill. There is nothing wrong with that.

Pyriall.1683:

Archon.6480:

Pyriall.1683:

DaShi.1368:

Actually, studies are finding that competent toxic employees are of less value than less competent friendly employees. The mantra of not caring about their attitude as long as they can do the job is a signal of a naive manager.

That’s your problem right there. The discussion isn’t about competent toxic people vs competent friendly people. It’s competent toxic vs incompetent friendly.

What makes you think competent toxic is a reality? Maybe toxic is an attribute of incompetence.

Knowledge is the correct understanding of how things work in reality, while wisdom is the ability to apply that knowledge. Toxic people are misunderstood as being competent when they have a great deal of knowledge and no wisdom. What good is your knowledge when you are incapable to apply it. Thus, knowledge without wisdom is incompetence!

Please stop and get off your esoteric soap box. The premise of the thread was “toxic, good player…” There’s a general understanding that you have read the OP before posting, so please read the original post next time.

I did read the OP, complete with misplaced commas. I am responding with the answer that the question is logically false. Why is that hard to understand? The premise is wrong.

“Which would you rather have, a brilliant fool or a kind fool?”

There is no such thing as a brilliant fool. Get it?

Pyriall.1683:

DaShi.1368:

Actually, studies are finding that competent toxic employees are of less value than less competent friendly employees. The mantra of not caring about their attitude as long as they can do the job is a signal of a naive manager.

That’s your problem right there. The discussion isn’t about competent toxic people vs competent friendly people. It’s competent toxic vs incompetent friendly.

What makes you think competent toxic is a reality? Maybe toxic is an attribute of incompetence.

Knowledge is the correct understanding of how things work in reality, while wisdom is the ability to apply that knowledge. Toxic people are misunderstood as being competent when they have a great deal of knowledge and no wisdom. What good is your knowledge when you have little capacity to apply it. Thus, knowledge without wisdom is incompetence!

Chaith.8256:

Novuake.2691:

It wouldn’t be easy to get it right, but how would you do it otherwise? How else will would you promote individual players out of lower tiers in the short period a season lasts?

So the goal is to give additional pips to individual players based on merit, but I’m not convinced that is necessary to having a skill based league system. It might even create problems, like division getting way too high for their skill, via boosted rewards for beating on minionmancers & eles all game and accomplishing nothing.

I have a rather simple proposal to change the matchmaker so this problem doesn’t happen in the first place, and that’s simply ship a priority change of how MMR grouping works.

In any pip range we have a variety of MMRs, let’s group them into 3 camps – below average, average, and above average.

Right now, from my understanding of the matchmaker, we’ll have a team of 5 taken from the below average camp and randomly faced off against a team from the below average, average, or above average camp.

When ArenaNet heard our desires of having teammates relatively close to us in skill, this MMR grouping was absolutely NOT what we wanted, if I can be so bold as to speak for the general population.

The matchmaking in season1 was good in the way that it had high quality, close matches. A big problem (excluding other problems) is that it did whatever it took to even the team MMRs, including adding players who didn’t belong there, to handicap, or boost the team MMR. This was disruptive.

What I propose is a combination of S1 and S2 matchmaking, where matchmaking still determines your matchups based on pip range, like it does now, to stay in line of ‘perserving prestige’ in divisions.

The main difference would be instead of finding two very different groups of 5 alike MMR people, and having a potentially imbalanced match, try to find the 10 most similarly rated players in MMR within the pip range, rank them #1-10 based on MMR, and have even vs. odds. With an expanding PIP range, and variation in MMRs accepted as the queue goes on.

In a 5v5 with the 10 most similarly rated players, there won’t be as big a need to promote certain players over others, as it’ll be much harder for you to become underrated in MMR by the system.

I could even TLDR; and say bring back the matchmaker from the era of old Leaderboards & Solo queue days. At both extremes of skill, the best players had 70% winrate, and the worst players had about a 45% winrate. Right now I’d ballpark the two extremes at a respective 85% and 20% winrate.

With the league infrastructure we have now, and a few more tweaks, we can have a pretty awesome casual PvP league. The problem was that after we invented the wheel, we invented and used a square wheel with points/grind based leaderboards, and then a triangular wheel – In S1, getting high divisions without fighting tough enemies – and now we’re using a rectangular wheel in S2 – grouped up based on MMR and face different MMR groups!

I’m a bit weary of all the crazy matchmaker/ladder fads we’ve tested. I’m happy we added the league system which was a huge step forward, but we just need to get a normal and ordinary matchmaker to complement it like we had before.

+1, You hit the nail on the head.

It’s a false question. There is no such thing as a toxic good player. Toxic players are like toxic coworkers. They are all bad. The negative impact of their toxic behavior will most certainly outweigh any benefit they might bring to the table. Especially, in an environment where teamwork is essential.

In the workplace you can sit a toxic coworker in the corner, basement, or glovebox department, to mitigate the damage they do. In guild wars PvP, you know the matchmaker is messing with you when you get teamed with them. Beware toxicity, it is part of mankind’s lower nature, and seems to be highly esteemed nowadays, for some demented reason.

Just thought I’d chime in. I’ve been using Sw/D and Menders as well. Depending on the enemy team composition, I’ll cheat and swap out dagger for Warhorn and windborn notes as well as drop dolyak rune for altruism. This way, outgoing support is higher and pets deal more damage, with max might stacks being pretty much permanent.

Of course, you should run Dolyack and Dagger for 1v1 against really good players and their dueling specs (Rev/Mesmer), so I’d say that configuration is superior against skilled opponents and balanced enemy team compositions. If the enemy has a bunch of bunker classes, or is not that skilled, the might stacking variation works better for me. Higher damage, kill things faster.

I feel that Mercenary and Paladin just don’t have enough healing to justify. They waste too much of what Druid offers. Sage works better than mercenary, for me, but is a bit squishy against skilled players.

This is actually a really funny bug to see. Not sure what causes it but I think all 10 players paused for a second to think, um what the heck!? :-)

If you are in the MMR-snowball, you need to find 2-3 allies to queue with. That should help. Don’t let the matchmaker pick your team. It is most likely hosing you. Either that or pull out some ESL level skill and pull off some amazing clutch carry victories.

Eurantien.4632:

Archon.6480:

Oh, one more image for giggles. This match was made in hell. Notice a problem?

I mean, if you are on a 30 game loose streak, you have to understand how the following match up would give anyone a rotten attitude? No?

Anyhow, if you are on a loose streak, find 2-3 people to queue with. Problem solved. Take it out of the hands of the matchmaker.

I’d argue it was a close game, and that your build wasn’t optimal to carry your team. Though the 2 queue on your side being ruby and emerald vs their 3 queue of diamonds would be upsetting.

Yeah, I usually run ROM’s build which, is probably the best build in ordinary circumstances. I can’t remember why I decided to switch to such a high condition damage build that time. Probably just kittened off and wanted to kill everything as fast as possible.

Regardless, even a well played shoutbow comes up short when you’re in the snowball:

Oh, one more image for giggles. This match was made in hell. Notice a problem?

I mean, if you are on a 30 game loose streak, you have to understand how the following match up would give anyone a rotten attitude? No?

Anyhow, if you are on a loose streak, find 2-3 people to queue with. Problem solved. Take it out of the hands of the matchmaker.