^Rude Much???? And, sorry if it bruises your ego but, SoR has the greatest number of players presently playing. To think anything else is to be naive.
SOR is at a very high population, JQ and BG are full……
Man, i just love slamming that one down lol. That is the hardest evidence we have of player population, and it greatly outweighs any subjective observations.
Because WvW population and overall population are the same thing, right?
May i suggest recruiting more guilds to Blackgate then? RE is looking to move from Kaineng.
^Rude Much???? And, sorry if it bruises your ego but, SoR has the greatest number of players presently playing. To think anything else is to be naive.
SOR is at a very high population, JQ and BG are full……
Man, i just love slamming that one down lol. That is the hardest evidence we have of player population, and it greatly outweighs any subjective observations.
I’m not sure if this was just a fluke or if it is possible for someone to pull this off on purpose. We were taking Hills when I was running on the left side of the bridge leading to the Lord’s room. I somehow fell into the bridge. I was unable to attack from inside and I was unable to escape. I’m not sure if a mesmer would be able to blink out then port people into the inner section (hopefully not).
I stayed to warn NSP of the bridge construction and to watch out for holes. They returned my kindness with cruelty and killed me. Though projectiles were unable to hit me so it took a while for me to die. Hope this can’t be repeated but I wanted to let the developers know.
That bridge is super buggy… you may have noticed that you sometimes just get bounced around on it. You got bounced inside. I doubt it could be replicated with any kind of reliability. Plus, its not like it would be a hard to notice spot if a mesmer hid there.
1. Maguuma
Supposedly they have a strong NA with very skilled players. I think SOR NA can give them a run for their money…..
Assuming this comment wasn’t sarcastic (edit: just noticed who I quoted; was definitely a sarcastic comment. Oh well, will leave my response below):
I used to be on BG (Sept-Jan), so I know how strong SoR’s NA is. Mag doesn’t come anywhere close SoR’s NA in terms of sheer numbers. At most Mag queues one zone during weekday nights. Once a week you might see EB + 1 BL queued. Even on reset night you get 2 non-queued BLs.
Last time I fought SoR they were, by their own admission, queueing 3-4 zones on an average weekday night. And from what I understand, it’s only gotten worse with their upward movement and transfers (30-60 min queues in NA primetime? Please correct me if this is wrong).
Mag does have a fantastic roamer population to the contrary of what Jinks.2057 posted. I don’t think any servers who have fought us in the past few months would disagree with that.
TBH, i know that Mag’s doesn’t stand a chance to win in terms of points… but that would leave the entire week for GvG’s!
The NA queue during primetime ranges from 5min-30 min id say, depending on when you queue up of course.
I think the fact that SOS can stay this competitive in tier 2, shows how ridiculously large the gap is between tier 1 and tier 2……. I admit i had entertained the notion that perhaps a tier 2 server could put up a decent fight against a tier 1 server, but not anymore.
Gaps in timezones mate, and don’t forget TC and FA are both beating on one another as SoS goes about their business. Everyone knows the score is more complex than its face value, well everyone except kitteny SoR instigators.
So if its gaps in timezones, it solidifies my argument about the gap between tier 1 and tier 2……
Anyway gratz to SOS on a great performance so far, and gratz ( maybe ) on being the next bandwagon destination after DB implodes ( see RE recruitment thread page as the usual bandwagon suspects try to take advantage of your oceanic coverage…..
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I think the fact that SOS can stay this competitive in tier 2, shows how ridiculously large the gap is between tier 1 and tier 2……. I admit i had entertained the notion that perhaps a tier 2 server could put up a decent fight against a tier 1 server, but not anymore.
I look forward to the day when a former tier-2 server goes against one or more tier-1 servers. I imagine the gap isn’t as wide as you like to believe, especially considering the massive coverage gaps all your servers have (as made evident by the fact that there’s at least one time period every day where each T1 server is getting pooped on).
SOR doesnt have coverage gaps. And when we are getting “pooped on” you must realize that we are keeping an approximate 200-250 ppt ( today we were top ppt actually during SEA) against 60-80 man JQ zergs in 2 out of 3 BL’s as well as EB. Think about those numbers and how your server would fare against that.
As far as JQ and BG, they do have “coverage gaps” by tier 1 standards…. those “gaps” would be more than enough to hold territory in tier 2.
We had three 60-80 man zergs running around three maps yesterday for around 12 hours.
I’m not saying we’d BEAT SoR/BG/JQ. I’m just saying that it likely wouldn’t be the slaughter you’re imagining.
EDIT: And most of us toasters would love to face off against a T1 server, even if we did lose, just for the experience and fun of it.
Gap between TC and SOS is 30k right now. For comparisons sake, gap between SOR and BG is 25k now.
Last time TC fought BG you guys lost by 150k ( BG vs TC, vs KN week 08). Since then BG has acquired most of Kaineng’s wvw population, and BT from FA. I guess if TC since that time gobbled up a server’s worth of wvw’rs then you may be right….. it won’t be a slaughter, but I am doubtful.
I think the fact that SOS can stay this competitive in tier 2, shows how ridiculously large the gap is between tier 1 and tier 2……. I admit i had entertained the notion that perhaps a tier 2 server could put up a decent fight against a tier 1 server, but not anymore.
I look forward to the day when a former tier-2 server goes against one or more tier-1 servers. I imagine the gap isn’t as wide as you like to believe, especially considering the massive coverage gaps all your servers have (as made evident by the fact that there’s at least one time period every day where each T1 server is getting pooped on).
SOR doesnt have coverage gaps. And when we are getting “pooped on” you must realize that we are keeping an approximate 200-250 ppt ( today we were top ppt actually during SEA) against 60-80 man JQ zergs in 2 out of 3 BL’s as well as EB. Think about those numbers and how your server would fare against that.
As far as JQ and BG, they do have “coverage gaps” by tier 1 standards…. those “gaps” would be more than enough to hold territory in tier 2.
I think the fact that SOS can stay this competitive in tier 2, shows how ridiculously large the gap is between tier 1 and tier 2……. I admit i had entertained the notion that perhaps a tier 2 server could put up a decent fight against a tier 1 server, but not anymore.
Gaps in timezones mate, and don’t forget TC and FA are both beating on one another as SoS goes about their business. Everyone knows the score is more complex than its face value, well everyone except kitteny SoR instigators.
So if its gaps in timezones, it solidifies my argument about the gap between tier 1 and tier 2……
Anyway gratz to SOS on a great performance so far, and gratz ( maybe ) on being the next bandwagon destination after DB implodes ( see RE recruitment thread page as the usual bandwagon suspects try to take advantage of your oceanic coverage…..
I think the fact that SOS can stay this competitive in tier 2, shows how ridiculously large the gap is between tier 1 and tier 2……. I admit i had entertained the notion that perhaps a tier 2 server could put up a decent fight against a tier 1 server, but not anymore.
Seems people want to nerf anything that requires them to pay attention. And yes, this sounds EXACTLY like the nerf confusion threads ( which shouldnt have been nerf’d imo)
Anet please do not dumb down this game further, you already have the money of the bad players, no need to appease them so they stay subscribed like that “other game”.
We are being very careful which server to move to as our GL has stated this will be our last move. So, we want a stable community type server on which we can do WvW and not feel like we are doing the carrying, etc.
SOR sounds like the perfect place for you….. except please please please don’t transfer here! We don’t need anymore help during NA and definitely dont want the extra qeues you would bring. It would be bad for our server and bad for your guild.
Supposedly they have a strong NA with very skilled players. I think SOR NA can give them a run for their money…..
2. Tarnished Coast
Its always fun to watch a bunch that are always so preachy about being cheerful to their opponents when they are winning, and to expose them for what they really are when you mercilessly annihilate them….
I’m on DB. I wasn’t there. But Dekar is only telling his side of a multi-sided story. If you believe what he said without question, you are naive. I’m sure what Dekar said is factual, but it’s also incomplete.
One thing many have to realize is that DB doesn’t have the experience in T1 and T2 to coordinate guilds and tactics. Until reaching T2, the standard strategy is good enough:
follow the blue triangle
pay attention to swords on the map
if you don’t follow the blue triangle tell map chat what you see
The above strategy, plus our ridiculously large SEA presence, got us into T2, at which point a bunch of new, large, experienced guilds joined DB. The new guilds, hoping to make us competitive in T2 and maybe T1, wanted to change things, make DB more organized. It’s a wonderful idea, but it’s difficult to pull off when the non-transfers are used to doing things a different way. The original guilds have been adjusting to the new way of doing things under the prospects of better performance. Most have adapted quite well. Some individuals have not.
Is it so unusual that there is some resistance? Online gaming is full of people with big egos. Big egos don’t budge. It’s clear to me now that any server with strict and structured internal organization is going to end up with drama. Dekar’s experience is a manifestation of that.
To the original DB guilds: Let’s keep DB drama-free, like it used to be.
To the new DB guilds: Thanks for coming to DB, but if it’s not a good fit, good luck on whatever server you transfer to.
To trolls from other servers: I have erased what I was going to say here several times because I don’t want to be reported. Suffice it to say, mind your own business, be a man, and stop fanning the flames.
Than please stop fanning the flames yourself this thread has nothing to do with DB or [RE] even coming to DB, as DB guilds made it clear they don’t want them. So please take this back to the DB forums and stop derailing a guilds recruitment thread its overall too much kitten going on here. When this should be about helping [RE] find a new home.
Its a clever ploy to come here and fan the flames, so JQ posters can come in and play the forum white knights. Then RE will see how awesome and level headed JQ is and transfer there….. Except we all know they will go to BG
I hope your not being sarcastic cause I look pretty good in white. :P
Believe me, I want them to come to JQ for the sake of a healthy wvw…… I don’t want to see another guild consumed into oblivion by the Blackhole.
Im gonna call it now folks!
RE goes to SOS, DB falls apart because of server drama, they all move to SOS to take advantage of their oceanic coverage to form Bandwagon of Sorrow…..
In all seriousness, i believe SOS would be the best fit atm for a NA guild.
I’m on DB. I wasn’t there. But Dekar is only telling his side of a multi-sided story. If you believe what he said without question, you are naive. I’m sure what Dekar said is factual, but it’s also incomplete.
One thing many have to realize is that DB doesn’t have the experience in T1 and T2 to coordinate guilds and tactics. Until reaching T2, the standard strategy is good enough:
follow the blue triangle
pay attention to swords on the map
if you don’t follow the blue triangle tell map chat what you see
The above strategy, plus our ridiculously large SEA presence, got us into T2, at which point a bunch of new, large, experienced guilds joined DB. The new guilds, hoping to make us competitive in T2 and maybe T1, wanted to change things, make DB more organized. It’s a wonderful idea, but it’s difficult to pull off when the non-transfers are used to doing things a different way. The original guilds have been adjusting to the new way of doing things under the prospects of better performance. Most have adapted quite well. Some individuals have not.
Is it so unusual that there is some resistance? Online gaming is full of people with big egos. Big egos don’t budge. It’s clear to me now that any server with strict and structured internal organization is going to end up with drama. Dekar’s experience is a manifestation of that.
To the original DB guilds: Let’s keep DB drama-free, like it used to be.
To the new DB guilds: Thanks for coming to DB, but if it’s not a good fit, good luck on whatever server you transfer to.
To trolls from other servers: I have erased what I was going to say here several times because I don’t want to be reported. Suffice it to say, mind your own business, be a man, and stop fanning the flames.
Than please stop fanning the flames yourself this thread has nothing to do with DB or [RE] even coming to DB, as DB guilds made it clear they don’t want them. So please take this back to the DB forums and stop derailing a guilds recruitment thread its overall too much kitten going on here. When this should be about helping [RE] find a new home.
Its a clever ploy to come here and fan the flames, so JQ posters can come in and play the forum white knights. Then RE will see how awesome and level headed JQ is and transfer there….. Except we all know they will go to BG
Can’t wait to see how DB tries to gloss this one over…..
Whoever says that extra long post was a lie…. think about it….. would you compose a well written post that long just to get some lulz on the forums? Im pretty sure everything that was said was true.
Need that many to get through all the freeking arrowcarts >.<
Get through the first wave of arrowcarts – and then push forward a bit and have to get through the next wave of arrowcarts – at the end of it all we may have 10 people standing to take out said arrowcarts.
Arrowcarts to the FACE! QQ
Were you one of the BT at hills desperately trying to defend ( heard there were a few BT there)…. you should know that BG had easily a full map qeue in JQ BL being lured around that paper bay.
Was reading the forums and someone made a comment about 1v1….. then it hit me…
KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A ROUGH IDEA
Eliminate 3 way battles completely. Make all the matches 1v1 !
Eliminate one of the borderlands ( So only 2 BL maps). Teams will start at the South and Rush north to cap garrison. In EB, the teams can start in red and green positions and blue side + SM will be neutral at start.
Advantages:
1) One less BL will introduce ridiculous qeues, much like early t1 wvw… this will result in guilds/players migrating down the tiers and spreading out amongst the various servers more evenly.
2) More map space for roaming and more territory to defend will result in less zerging allowing for more tactical group play.
The more I thought about 1v1 instead of 1v1v1 the more it makes sense….
Yeah, we can’t really complain, although it makes the whole SoR shtick about looking for good fights look lame as well.
SoR is looking for good fights but that can only happen if your opponents meet you halfway. Bring it on and we will have only good fights.
we do have good fights
To bad the only way we have been getting them is to ease up a bit and let them cap some stuff so they don’t get completely demoralized.
Or did BG actually think the score was this close for real?
Did you really just say that SoR could win by 50k+ if they wanted to? You sound like JQ’s “kingkongsomething” guy who said they’d win by 80k lol. The chests! …They are thumping!
Man, DB taking third place has to be hard to take for certain people there. I guess we will see just how resilient DB’s wvw community is or if it will suffer the same fate as KN.
Everyone has accepted this in T2 quite some time ago. I wonder if SoR’s response time is this slow in game as well.
I think once SOR is ticking 600+ 24/7 vs TC u’ll find out. SOR knows very well how easy it is to crush the morale of TC’s PVE’rs…..
And no, its not necessarily about skill, our coverage will ensure that when your NA prime forces meet ours, SOR’s already dominant NA will already be inside waypointed tier 3 keeps. Good luck with that…..
Meh, I was on KN when the same thing happened to TC. TC has weathered it before. I’m sure we’ll be just fine. Thanks for the concern though! :-)
PS. This response was weaksauce. I thought you were more creative than that.
Whatever, I just hope that we will get 2v’1’d and that TC wont quit after the weekend….
The issue with this entire thread is that there is two camps of people. Those that will not be impacted by a blowout match and thus the change of scenery and less stagnation of the matches is more important then if the matches are balanced.
I only wonder were the “old system”-faction got the believe that the old system favor balanced matches. It did a while, as long as it allowed switches in the tiers, but today it only guarantees stagnation! It does not care et al on balance. Matches stagnate till blow-out.
Agree with this. There are a couple of tiers that have had blowout scores of close to 100K between 1st and second for weeks (including T1 EU) with servers unable to shift between tiers despite these big scores.
Agreed, and im in the old system camp… but there was no need for this. Just a bit of volatility to help nudge servers out of tiers they clearly didnt belong in….
Man, DB taking third place has to be hard to take for certain people there. I guess we will see just how resilient DB’s wvw community is or if it will suffer the same fate as KN.
Everyone has accepted this in T2 quite some time ago. I wonder if SoR’s response time is this slow in game as well.
I think once SOR is ticking 600+ 24/7 vs TC u’ll find out. SOR knows very well how easy it is to crush the morale of TC’s PVE’rs…..
And no, its not necessarily about skill, our coverage will ensure that when your NA prime forces meet ours, SOR’s already dominant NA will already be inside waypointed tier 3 keeps. Good luck with that…..
The funny thing is, if you look at the current ratings, EBAY, and SOS are would be moving in the near future….
All anet has to do is add a little bit more volatility in ratings so servers like SOS and EBAY dont have to keep winning by ridiculous margins and problem of stagnation solved.
What Anet is proposing to do is a terrible solution which will result in:
1) Ridiculous Blowouts
2) Rating Point bleeding down into weaker servers, which over time, will lead to greater probabilities of blowouts.
Can Kaineng beat JQ? No not a chance. Until the scoring system favors skill over coverage there is no fix.
Man, DB taking third place has to be hard to take for certain people there. I guess we will see just how resilient DB’s wvw community is or if it will suffer the same fate as KN.
TC and FA really need to end their truce already, it’s getting very old.
I was thinking the same thing! Are TC and FA constantly double teaming DB? When DB first came in they were winning easily, but now they can barely keep up with FA…. Or is the DB community falling apart?
Aurust dear, go back to your tier 1 thread. Stop trolling here.
You might get infracted for this post since ur not allowed to call someone the T word
OT: I am curious as to whats going on that,s all, since SOR may be facing you guys in the future.
TC and FA really need to end their truce already, it’s getting very old.
I was thinking the same thing! Are TC and FA constantly double teaming DB? When DB first came in they were winning easily, but now they can barely keep up with FA…. Or is the DB community falling apart?
Honestly, I think BG is probably the most overpopulated server of the current T1. Their zergs are massive and non-stop. The problem BG has in my opinion is that their player base is very fickle and fairweather. Compile that with the fact that the overall skill cap of their organized guilds seem pretty average at best, you could have a ton of players(which BG does), they just aren’t very good or organized. They seem happy just recruiting mass number of guilds to their server every few weeks to sustain them in T1.
SoR, while not a large server(population wise), seems to be the most organized of T1 and probably currently has the highest skill cap. I don’t think they need or want more players from what I’ve read. They seem content being the smallest server and their forum trolls let us know that every 3rd post. Personally, I think that will bite them in the kitten in the end if they have an elitist type of attitude for their server and aren’t actively recruiting, but they seem happy, so to each their own.
JQ has good organization and good overall skill cap, our problem is we are just lacking 1 or 2 more organized NA guilds and we are back to full strength. RE would be a huge asset and very welcome to JQ. You should come and talk to our leadership and see what we are about. The support from the server and challenge from our enemies you would receive really makes you guys a perfect fit. Get in touch with Jedbacca or Ben Sheets, both are great guys and can really tell you more about JQ. It really is a great community and as you know, the longest lasting in T1(which in itself speaks volumes).
SOR also has the most organized/highest skillcap forum army as well.
With that said, JQ is a great place to go, they have a very active/large PVE community, you will never have trouble finding party members in LA chat.
SOS or Ebay seem to be a good choice for an NA transfer. They look like they may have some potential to compete higher up. SOS in particular has a sizable oceanic community to extend your NA gains.
JQ really needs some NA help if you want to be in a top server, and FA can use an NA guild after BT left there, if you want to make wvw more competitive overall.
As far as DB goes, lets just say they have a suspect community, and have clearly lost steam since their initial entrance into tier 2. You cant be sure if they will spectacularly implode or stabilize until some time has passed.
Stay away from BG, as another poster mentioned, it seems guilds just go there to die, or end up a complete shadow of what they used to be…… Black “hole” Gate.
IMPORTANT NOTE*** A possibility does exist that SOR does have a much more dedicated group of wvw players compared to overall population AND that they are of much much higher quality ( again i say much much because of the massive margins of victory).
Large winning margins are not a valid reason to conclude that SoR’s players are of higher skill. In fact, player skill has almost no bearing on anything besides 1v1s and very small scale fights. Coverage, player numbers and coordination are the only factors of any significant importance when it comes to ‘winning’ WvW. SoR’s recent success can be only be attributed to the arrival of IRON, who are easily the largest and best coordinated EU guild on any NA server. SoR climbed to 1st when IRON arrived because it gave them the best overall coverage (EU and NA, meaning 2/3 of every day they have the highest PPT) while JQ and BG are only strong during 1/3 of each day during SEA timezones.
I strongly suspected as much, thats why i chose the best answer as having a higher percentage of wvw players.
You’re assuming that the winner must have more people who play WvW but that’s not necessarily true.
Well that is a good point… there are two possibilities…
1) SOR has a higher percentage of more dedicated hardcore wvw’rs ( and by default less players who spend the majority of their time in PVE and generally only come out to fight when the server is winning) when compared to total populations.
2) Assuming equal wvw players, then the quality of SOR’s wvw players must be at a much higher level because of how easily BG and JQ are being beaten.
If any1 from JQ or BG can clarify which of the above two possibilities is correct, it would be much appreciated.
I know you’re trying to be subtle but the arrogance and condescension is still seeping through lol.
Im not trying to be arrogant or condescending. In fact, im doing the opposite imo.
We all know wvw is a numbers game, so i simply gathered the facts and surmised after careful study, that as far numbers go, SOR has a higher proportion of dedicated, hardcore wvwr’s while comparatively JQ and BG, seem to have on average, a higher proportion of players that *bold*care barely*bold* about wvw as much as they do about pve.
If i was arrogant, i would’ve argued for option two from my post that you quoted…. that the actual QUALITY of SOR wvw’rs is far far superior ( because of the large margins of victory) compared to those of BG and JQ.
IMPORTANT NOTE*** A possibility does exist that SOR does have a much more dedicated group of wvw players compared to overall population AND that they are of much much higher quality ( again i say much much because of the massive margins of victory).
You’re assuming that the winner must have more people who play WvW but that’s not necessarily true.
Well that is a good point… there are two possibilities…
1) SOR has a higher percentage of more dedicated hardcore wvw’rs ( and by default less players who spend the majority of their time in PVE and generally only come out to fight when the server is winning) when compared to total populations.
2) Assuming equal wvw players, then the quality of SOR’s wvw players must be at a much higher level because of how easily BG and JQ are being beaten.
If any1 from JQ or BG can clarify which of the above two possibilities is correct, it would be much appreciated.
I had not realized this before, and thought maybe there were other players out there that were having the same question…. Just putting myself in the shoes of a potentially confused individual as to how a server with less population is able to win against two servers with much larger populations considering how wvw is all about numbers.
Q/A format seemed like the natural outlet for this.
I once guested to SoR and was in lion’s arch. The only people(very few) there were from [choo],[Tsym], etc. In SoS, we have all our LA commanders standing about and complimenting eachother’s legendary weapons and culture armor. So you see the difference. SoR was in 3rd place for quite some time. That is not a very attractive server for PVE’rs since they don’t get many PVE benefits. But this should change now that SoR is undoubtedly #1 NA.
On a more serious note, I am considering transferring to a tier 1 server. BG and JQ are out of the question since they are both FULL status 24×7. And JQ, well, I hold a long time grudge against them since they were a big part of SoS’s downward spiral to tier 4. Which leaves BG, but it is FULL. I have just recently got into WvW and spend 90% of my time in WvW, but it is not as half as fun as it used to be when SoS was in t1. My question is, is SoR active during UK hours? Is it too active such that there is a que on every borderland? If so, how long are the ques?
Yes, SOR recently was the beneficiary of large EU transfer [IRON], they are an active hardcore wvw guild.
Yes, as can be seen from the attached pic. SOR is the only server in the TOP 5 with a population of very high, while the others are full. SOR has been handily winning tier 1 the past 2.5 weeks.
Using logic, we can conclude that SOR has the highest ratio of wvw participants compared to total population.
..and if you take this topic to it’s logical conclusion you will realize SoR is winning it’s matchups based solely on a numbers advantage.
You are only partially correct. As you can see, BG and JQ both have a numbers advantage over SOR in terms of population.
And your point in this thread is that BG and JQ’s advantage consists of PvE players.
Well, if you are a player that does alot of PVE and occasionally likes to wvw, BG and JQ look like a great destination!
Yes, as can be seen from the attached pic. SOR is the only server in the TOP 5 with a population of very high, while the others are full. SOR has been handily winning tier 1 the past 2.5 weeks.
Using logic, we can conclude that SOR has the highest ratio of wvw participants compared to total population.
..and if you take this topic to it’s logical conclusion you will realize SoR is winning it’s matchups based solely on a numbers advantage.
You are only partially correct. As you can see, BG and JQ both have a numbers advantage over SOR in terms of population.
as the usual bandwagon suspects try to take advantage of your oceanic coverage…..
