Well, the truth is for every guild we received, it seems two go on hiatus or quit the game entirely. Or a commander needs to focus on real world responsibilities. This has nothing to do with how great or poor a community we have. People have lives outside of a game (even if it is just other games) and will move on sooner or later. WvW is a game of ebb and flow, and the long-standing members of BG know and understand that. We’ve dropped out of T1 the most out of any server, but never crumbled. Guilds in the past have used the server to railroad on their way the top, but that is more an indictment on those guilds rather than the core of the server. Blackgate has paid its dues and no troll talk can ever take that away from us.
Keep in mind that an infusion of fresh blood is healthy – even our own bodies need to produce new cells in order to maintain peak condition. SoR is enjoying this new vigor, and I’m happy for them as they have worked hard to stay afloat in the top tier. But SoR’s achievement of more efficient type of coverage, continuous and uninterrupted, will eventually be met by the other T1 servers. It’s just a matter of time. Remember, this is a game of ebb and flow. Don’t fall into the trap of taking yourself too seriously just because you’re on top for the moment. Many servers have been there before, and many servers will come after..
I beg to differ, a truly strong community, and one that produces a fun environment to play in will greatly reduce the attrition. Thats why guilds on SOR actually grow instead of die out.
SoR I appreciate how much you want to hold JQBL garrison and now we feel special, but giving up a WP’d bay for it?
Yea that sucked, communication breakdown + being wvw for so long at that point, it kinda just slipped past. These things happen, and a nice well timed attack by BG.
There is no leaked footage of the 200 man mega servers.
There is no leaked footage of WvWvW combat.
There is no leaked footage of the new combat system.
There is no leaked footage of how the new weapon system works, allows any weapon to be used by any class.
There is no leaked footage of using mid-action combat blocking.
There is no leaked footage of the no cool downs on spells and skills, promoting a combat oriented system.
There is only leaked footage of a few pve character creations and run arounds.
If they nail the WvWvW, it’s curtains for GW2…
I have a feeling rvr/wvw in ESO will eb utter garbage because of their highly touted collision system.
They keep touting how it would be so awesome that you can actually use formations etc. Imagine playing wvw now, and how game breaking it would be if u cant run through people. It would be annoying beyond belief.
Good luck trying to organize formations…. professional armed forces train daily just to maintain proper movement/formations, and the devs in ESO think a bunch of gamers can make it work lol.
Staying in the same tier and match up day after day, week after week, now month after month… grows stale, boring and over played.
Hopefully they get a daily WvWvW map going to help with this week long battle against the same people you just got done battling again and again and again and again and again…
Especially when your server is now winning by 100k a week… must really suck for the other two servers… day after day, week after week, month after month… get the point yet devs?
There needs to be a new ranking system and realistic representation of server progression rather then population battles amongst 4 separate borderlands during off hours…
Do you need TESO to open it’s doors before you get the point?
Leaked TESO footage doesnt bode very well for that game. WOW clone set in elder scrolls world… gg
WOW clones never work because people will go play WOW. See SWTOR.
Where was this spirit when JQ was adding massive amounts of guilds? You continued to recruit and recruit and recruit and you were dominating t1 by 60-70k every week.
So if not a crushing win, was it at least “dominating” ?
Kain was a different animal, gaining enough players while still in T8 to be a T2, arguably T1 caliber server. Of course that was all compounded by free transfers and their eventual end, but the point remains.
Kain was no where within sight of being tier 1 caliber. To put things in perspective… the BG that completely dominated tier 2, received a huge chunk of SOS guilds to push into tier 1, then when KN collapsed they received the majority of their forces except CO.
If JQ stabilizes, it’s going to take a massive collapse of either TC or FA (and at least two weeks of demolishing them) for DB to move out.
Things tend to snowball, hopefully JQ does stabilize, but most servers do not. Too many guilds that like to be carried and bail at the first sign of hardship.
The interesting thing about JQ is that they have a large amount of smaller guilds, so a snowball effect is far less likely. During SEA they were ticking at 500+ ppt , granted that SOR and BG called it a match, but stuff like that will help them maintain their ELO. I honostly, as a keen observer of wvw, that if a server goes on to full implosion, it will be BG before JQ. Also, keep in mind that JQ is only around 25k points behind BG….. hardly a massive collapse that is required.
The way im seeing things evolve right now, is that JQ will be in tier 1 for a loooooooong time. Sorry DB, but the math is most definitely not in your favor to reach tier 1.
Yup that’s why you’re losing.
Somebody shot an arrow cart.
You may think its trivial, but heres perspective as the only commander pin in EB for 6 hours of EU prime, with almost no one in voice coms and a max of maybe 5 organised ppl from any single guild and alternating in and out of Outmanned whevener IRON ported their 30 man blob in to squash any PuGs that threatened sor holdings.
We were doing very well just to hold on to our upgraded keep outmanned. And we did so mainly by utilising defensive siege.
NA prime starts, and I left the map for a minute to get a replacement guild to buff the keep and replace me, noticed the waypoint contested and ported back to see a golem rush breaching watergate. Myself and a few other started to man the inner trebs and arrow carts that could easily have held the gate until reinforcements came, only to have them shot out from under us by an arrow cart that had no business doing that legitimately, as there is no legit field of view into there from outside.
We lost the keep followed soon after by everything else and had to hand over a red EB to our NA prime team.
The posted screenshots have been removed since they showed a SoR player name openly exploiting. I will send them privately to Anet instead.
You can hit the lord room with an AC if u place one on the outer ramparts near the main outer entrance or on the outer supply shed. Not saying that was the case here, but it can be done.
If prx(no not the ripped off prx – ward) decided to come back, JQ’s problem would be solved, since they have like 10 thousand people playing wvw everynight.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but PRX does not have 10 thousand people, or likely even 10 people playing the game anymore. They went unoficial in GW2, meaning that most of their members have moved on to other games.
And why the hate towards WARD? they are an incredibly top notch guild, anyone who has had the chance to run against or alongside them will know that they are one of the best WvW guilds out there despite a regular roster of only about 15-20.
Thank you also to the SoR and BG posters who have made positive contributions to this thread. Like you guys, we just want a more balanced, fair matchup, and it is the dearest wish of most of the JQ players still left to have a constantly shifting and unpredictable matchup. Congrats on your win this week SoR, it’s been a heck of a journey for you guys, keep fighting as well BG.
Doesnt mean that the rest of SOR should condone the behaviour. Its clear the Keep was captured due to use of a field of view exploit, those honest SoR who disagree with the use of this exploit should vacate it , not attempt to defend it, and allow it to be re-built before attacking it again.
I don’t blame SoR for this, but guilds that tolerate such behaviour. I’m almost sure that 99% of SoR doesn’t like hearing such things as JQ or Bg do. But there is no vote to get people from the server and I don’t know how good Anet can track such things.
And that particular guild seems to have very low standards for fair play.
Well said. The other guilds can try to pressure those doing things like this, but ultimately there’s only so much they can do. It’s unfortunate that a few disreputable types can tarnish a whole server, so it does lie on the rest of us not on that server to keep that perspective. I doubt the vast majority of SoR condones this and refuse to allow myself to condemn them all for the actions of a few <insert bannable labeling word here>.
I recall someone posting about that guild doing the exact same thing a week or two ago and yet there were people from other guilds on SoR defending them.
Yep. I’ll just say I’ve seen strange things from them with AC’s that I have yet to been able to reproduce. Some things that people think are hacks definitely aren’t though. On this occasion I have no idea, but I trust Shalile in his word he’s out there daily for far too long.
There is actually a spot on bravo where u can hit the center courtyard like that with an AC from the outside. Never tried that spot in the screenshot however.
Good luck JQ! The true wvw’rs from SOR wish you the best in your recruiting efforts. We understand that we can only become a more effective fighting force if we face competition, not stagnation.
For potential guild transfers to JQ….. JQ is a great place to grow your guild as you will have a very large pool of PUGS and small guilds to recruit from.
As much as I truly hope it will not be the case, with JQ and BG both full, I believe a huge amount of players will bandwagon to DB in the near future.
JQ has been “very high” for a couple hours on and off today. BG has remained full from what I have seen.
No guild will seriously consider moving to JQ and risk splitting their guild up for who knows how long, possibly even never being able to fully transfer.
Mass log offs wont make a dent in the server status.
Hope SoR doesn’t burn out after the server wide push this week and double times and triple times.
I really hope BG gets this delusional thought out of their head.
SOR is a bit more enthusiastic, but we are in no way pulling any overtimes. Anyone that actually pays attention to what guilds are on when will recognize this. The SOR that you see now, is the SOR you will be facing, whether we win or lose. I highly suggest that BG plans for this circumstance and not count on us burning out. Otherwise, BG will have a very difficult time ahead in wvw.
I agree with all those that think it’s boring to always be against the same servers for 3 weeks in a row. Why can’t it be mixed to provide more fun in seeing new enemies to match up with? Why not keep the precious formula for ranking teams, but instead of moving up or down (which happens to slowly or at all) and have all the #1 winners from the week move to the #1 winner bracket, all the 2nd place servers fight each other in the #2 bracket and same for #3. That way each week it would shuffle around enough to keep it interesting. I’m not saying that facing Jade Quarry would result in a win for our server, but the current system greatly reduces that from ever happening. Sometimes fighting a better server helps us learn something new, and the next time we fight it could be a different story. Just a thought, but from a casual WvW player’s point of view, I will no doubt get tired of it, if I see the same servers again and again.
This horrible idea gets brought up everytime there is a discussion about this. In the VAST VAST majority of cases, the server moving up would get completely crushed, and the server moving down would destroy everything in sight.
The gap between each individual tier is huge, and this idea will just lead to completely boring matches. You will not learn anything from getting spawncamped.
I haven’t admitted neither JQ or BG has EU presence. JQ’s is very weak yes, but BG has managed 500 PPT at EU slot multiple times last week. So we’ll see.
that’s ND and MW, plus some of the MERC (MERC has some international players playing) doing extra hours…i pray to the Spirit of the Wilds for their health everyday.
the new T1 will be like this
NA prime time
SoR: god-tier
BG: good
JQ: decent (good if PvE scrubs show up, and the guilds can stop kittening about each others)
EU prime time
SoR: good
BG: decent ( good if BG SEA doing overtime)
JQ: bad (decent if JQ SEA doing overtime)
Oceanic prime time
SoR: decent
BG: god-tier
JQ: Good
SEA prime time
JQ: god-tier (sorry fellow BG, i still do think JQ has the best SEA time)
BG: good
SoR: decent ( they are actually doing a solid job holding what they have during that time)
I thought SEA and Oceanic count as one region? did you just separate the hawaiians and pacific islanders from the asians?
Oceanic and SEA are not the same, though there is some overlap.
Also, I have it from a good source that BG is going to go MIA for the rest of WvW this week to prove to IRON that there is no competition in T1 NA in the hopes that they get bored and to motivate the Euro guild they are “in talks” with to come over because they need help.
It’s an interesting plan though I don’t believe you will get the exact result you are hoping for.
I think you will probably get that Euro guild but IRON isn’t going to stop playing because of your inactivity.
Either way, I hope you get that Euro guild if objectively that will balance the tier more(I don’t think this week is a good indicator of the tier, but if after next week it seems that it’s needed, hope you get it).
Isnt BG like full and all….. ? And i doubt a mass log off of the wvw population will work, since its a small fraction. Oh well good luck with that.
Im just really curious what happened to the 500ppt during EU that BG was rocking last week?
ANET has said they are working to fix skill lag, and as a matter of fact, i spoke directly with a Dev in LA who was specifically working on that issue. He said it is one of their top priorities.
So reading these last few pages, I have noticed people posting about our community. I have said it once and I will say again. The community is fine, anyone who thinks its not is obviously not involved in it but believes rumors no matter who you are. Why is JQ losing? Well thats the million dollar question isnt it? My answer still is we lost some of our numbers now. That may be from guilds decreasing is size (that I don’t know of) or milita noone knows. We outmanned because of that. Props to SoR for finding the missing piece to the puzzle, Props to BG for making that push against us. I will finish this rant by saying once again, the JQ community is fine…I do not care what you see in PPT because that is not all that matters.
I think the biggest problem with JQ right now, other than what appears to be low morale, is the relative lack of big organized wvw guilds that can create a core around which the militia can rally.
What every server benefits from (assuming the score favors them) is the usual PVE players which there are a ton more of will join the fray thereby helping with coverage. SOR am sure has quite a bit of pve people who typically don’t wvw being active participants this week and that is a good thing.
Don’t get why SoR has more PVE players participating this week than any other server… that makes no sense.
I don’t think he means it that way. He means to say SoR has a very casual WvW pop. I don’t know how it is on other servers. These are not exclusively PVE players. They are players that do both PVE and PVP, and when there are events going on you wont find them in WvW they rater run event dungeons all day long, or do other PVE kinda stuff. Then they go into WvW. Right now with no Event dungeon or quests to do these people come into wvw.
I’m sure that is the case on other servers to a lesser degree than SoR cuz like i said there’s a very casual wvw atmosphere on the server.
Except SOR probably has more hardcore pure wvw guilds out of all the servers in tier 1.
What every server benefits from (assuming the score favors them) is the usual PVE players which there are a ton more of will join the fray thereby helping with coverage. SOR am sure has quite a bit of pve people who typically don’t wvw being active participants this week and that is a good thing.
NYS is back from a two week vacation, and IRON seems to have a significant SEA presence as well ( Last two weeks, due to NYS absencse we kind of took it easy, so alot of the NA players that are usually on during SEA are back in greater numbers as well) That explains the situation.
Just so its out there, SOR is not pulling any kind of overtime. It goes against our server philosophy of winning when we are ready. Whether SOR wins or losses this week, this is the SOR BG and JQ will have to deal with.
Errmahgerd….I cannot wait for the drama in this thread to hit full kitten this week.
If only I had time to go back in time and cut and paste what the forum warriors in these update threads say week in week out to show just how hilarious it all is…alas I must mostly troll during breaks at work.
I am excited for SoR and T1 to have some serious balance but be forewarned SoR…your past may come back to haunt you…
P.S. Please fix arrow cats so I have interest in playing WvW again ANET.
i am too r intruiged of the past your sayinn ….pls do tell…
He’s talking about Noodles.
Yea, DB is going to need to get alot more than the current 1 they are gaining atm to break into tier 1.
Errmahgerd….I cannot wait for the drama in this thread to hit full kitten this week.
If only I had time to go back in time and cut and paste what the forum warriors in these update threads say week in week out to show just how hilarious it all is…alas I must mostly troll during breaks at work.
I am excited for SoR and T1 to have some serious balance but be forewarned SoR…your past may come back to haunt you…
P.S. Please fix arrow cats so I have interest in playing WvW again ANET.
i am too r intruiged of the past your sayinn ….pls do tell…
He doesn’t know what he is talking about…. ive been on SOR since 3 day headstart.. nothing in our past to come back to haunt us or whatever.
1) If you guys are still discussing how that AC was hitting behind the gates at south hills… an AC below where you build a treb to hit lake tower can hit there behind south hills gate. Pretty standard tactic in tier 1 to clear out siege at south hills.
2) DB please please take this time to point out and educate some of your guys coming into the Tier 1 thread about how DB will come storming in, on how the rating system works.
I think personally that is called morale boast rather than hard work. It’s something like in soccer match, the morale of the team heightened so much after scoring a goal and they just want to keep the ball rolling.
Anyway, very nice fights from all 3 servers. BG has become more tactical. JQ has shown their never give up spirit and surprise. SoR finally shown its true colour far beyond anyone expectations. This is what kept WvW alive for so long.
PS: Just don’t burn yourself out, SoR. Slow and steady win the long run
From Kasumi
The thing is….. we are not playing overtime, we have true 24/7 coverage now, and NYS is back from vacation also, so our SEA presence is back to normal.
We were well aware of what burnout can lead to, so we bided our time until we can stay competitive without going crazy. Having high morale helps also.
JQ and SoR are really good at this double teaming. When our Hill got taken, we fall back and got supply and built treb to hit SoR tower. We nailed incoming SoR who tried to hit our treb, but then a JQ zerg coming to hit our treb. Well, maybe nothing we can do in JQBL, we’ll leave JQBL to you 2 servers and see what will happen…good luck~
“VOLKON.1290:
OK, BG, SoR, absolutely pathetic performance tonight by you two on BGBL. You’re not even trying to hide the fact that you’re both working together and we still managed to hold our own. You should be embarrassed. We may not take first, but at least we can have pride in how we’re fighting "
Its as though at some point in time somebody is getting double teamed…. as though this is some sort of a three way fight or something……
LOL RISE is so silly. At least BG earned its way into T1. All the Kaineng guilds couldn’t pull it off so they had to transfer in. It’s like RISE using a portal bomb. Yeah it will get you there, but you’re going to get your kitten kicked in the process.
Choo enjoys fighting RISE, or for that matter any organized force ( good or bad), as opposed to, PUGS. Competition leads to innovation and an elevation of skill all around. I’m sure RISE will elevate their gameplay, and in the end, that would result in a more enjoyable matchup for us all.
I thought SoR had a super mega NA zerg, yet we had out manned buff in a BL last night smack in the middle of prime time. Something does not add up here.
This was sad. We where pushed back but still held inner keep. Magic arrows started falling down wiping out siege before we could even get it up. Please A-Net fix the zoom hack and ban the offenders.
I wasnt there… this is just speculation. You would be able to AC that spot from the main entrance outer. Or from the supply shed on the outer courtyard area…. if no ac’s were there then it does indeed look like a zoom hack.
Whoa whoa whoa. SoR complaining about transfers to other servers but not their own? Please stop the accusations! Everyone knows that the transfers to JQ and BG are all bandwagoners but those to SoR are “building the server right”. You can’t even compare.
Besides, SoR never buys guilds like other servers. That gold that was put together to help their new servermates transfer? Those were just “donations”. Completely different thing!
I know right?
As someone from SoR said a few weeks back,
SoS guilds to BG -> Bandwaggoners
SoS guilds to SoR -> True WvW guilds of SoS
If you ask any sensible SoR member, everyone will agree that we have gotten transfers, and we’re quite thankful for it. All of our friends in TSYM, AFS, HIRE and so on (I can’t recall everyone off the top of my head, I’m sorry! ) are valued members of our community and WvW strategy. I think the idea of bandwagoning simply comes from the volume of transfers; when SoS disbanded, Blackgate got what was perceived to be a much larger influx of guilds than SoR, hence the “stacking” accusations and whatnot. You cannot deny that your WvW capacity spiked as a result. Similarly with Kaineng, Blackgate received multiple guilds in one go, while SoR has received a number of guilds over the last few weeks in a more spread out manner. The difference is simply whether your WvW population increases in spikes, or incrementally.
As far as SoR donating gold: I listen in to our weekly WvW strategy meetings on TS, and the one thing that gets repeated and stressed every week is that we will not offer gold to other guilds. Should they choose to come over, we will be glad to run dungeons and help other guilds farm for gold, and I’m pretty sure we would also have folks who simply donated gold. However, I think that on principle, this is different from “buying” guilds. I’m sure we can accommodate transferring the last remaining members or whatnot, but we wouldn’t simply say “we’ll give you X gold to transfer,” nor would we meet demands of that nature. Our belief is that you should come to SoR because you want to be here, and if you aren’t willing to put in the time (to acquire gold) to immigrate over, then I’m not so sure how strong your commitment is.
BG -> 2 Major guilds (MERC, ND) and AoI (a combination of small guids)
SoR -> 2 Major guilds (TSym, AFS) and OCX (PvX guild)
So what difference does it make ??
And in the same way that you say that you help other guilds transferring by running dungeons to help some members to come, every other server does the same as well. So basically, BG has done nothing different from the almighty SoR and yet they have to take kitten from your forum warriors week after week. KN choosing us was totally from their side and it would probably have to do with the excellent relations BG had with TC & KN. I wasn’t there when SoR was T2 but if this is the way SoR used to deal with the match threads and PR, are you honestly surprised that KN chose us ?? And in the rare event that BG implodes, do you think any of us would ever consider going to your server because of all this ?? Same with the KN guilds, think about it.
BG got ND,MERC, FOE, AGG all in one go…. FOE and AGG jumped ship however….
The hammer 4 and 5 skills are slow as they are made to be chained and combo’d after u get an immob on them from sword mainhand with leg spec..or number 3 with hammer or from earthshaker
If you aren’t landing your hammer 4 and 5 skills, ur doing it wrong. This is for wvw purposes.
Come over to tier one NA. SoR could use some Euro’s to make this an awesome match up.
If that’s the only way out of this, that should send a message to ArenaNet. If leaving was an option I would’ve done so already, but I want to make it work out on Desolation. I respect everyone that decided they wanted to move on and go to another tier and have good fights and some fun again. I even considered it myself at one point, I still have a tiny bit of faith left though. It really shouldn’t be necessary that an entire server does a mass exodus to other servers just because of this impossible situation. But unfortunately that process has already begun. That’s also why it is so crucial that something is done about this as soon as possible.
You need to consider if this headache is worth staying on your server…. at some point actually having fun in a video game will have to outweigh any kind of server loyalty.
Anet will not be able to fix this situation without a massive overhaul of wvw. In either case, unless you transfer… expect to not enjoy wvw for a very loooooong time.
Come to tier 1 NA, if SOR gets a few EU guilds, we can have the first truly competitive 3 way match that is decided in the last few hours at the highest levels of play since wvw was released.
) are valued members of our community and WvW strategy. I think the idea of bandwagoning simply comes from the volume of transfers; when SoS disbanded, Blackgate got what was perceived to be a much larger influx of guilds than SoR, hence the “stacking” accusations and whatnot. You cannot deny that your WvW capacity spiked as a result. Similarly with Kaineng, Blackgate received multiple guilds in one go, while SoR has received a number of guilds over the last few weeks in a more spread out manner. The difference is simply whether your WvW population increases in spikes, or incrementally.
