Guild Wars 2

LilMcGinley.3890:

More SoR chest-thumping, even from a person in T8, this is pathetic..

How is this chest thumping? Im just trying to be helpful to players that may be looking to get into wvw.

Using the same line of reasoning, we can conclude that BG and JQ have more “PVE Oriented” communities.

Yes, as can be seen from the attached pic. SOR is the only server in the TOP 5 with a population of very high, while the others are full. SOR has been handily winning tier 1 the past 2.5 weeks.

Using logic, we can conclude that SOR has the highest ratio of wvw participants compared to total population.

Does SOR have the highest % of wvw players compared to overall population?

NA servers*

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Is very cute the way SoR just cant chest thump withouth a mention to BG. Ty guys!!!
In the end, all this is bs. Weeks come and go, servers rise and fall…
Im not sure what the new sistem will bring us, but just to know that soon we will not have to deal with this overgrown egos and “forum warriors” (/angrychilds) is enough atm.
Rivalry is one thing, but some of you seem obscessed about it, and tbh doesent look very healty, especially for those who actually play the greatest MMO of all times called Real Life and come here just to have fun and not measure the size of our PPT!
Mb in the future, after u get invincible, stacked with 100% coverage and tired of chest thumping, we can have something more then:

-“My server is the strongest! The coolest”
- “No! MY server have the greatest community, we have the real warriors of WvW”
-“Oh Yeah? We have cookies!!!”
- Im gonna tell all this to my MOM!!
- Meh, ur mom is fat!
- And your mom is fat and ugly!!!
- … >.<’

/boring

There will always be forum warriors. BG has forum warriors, chest thumpers, and trolls as well. Maybe you guys just need to fight weaker servers for a little bit to get your fair weather players more involved, since obviously you can’t handle a real fight with an enemy that does not get demoralized or gives up. This is why BG always dropped to tier 2 from tier 1, before gobbling up a server to move back up.

Anyway, im satisfied that the last battle of the “old format” will result in a crushing defeat for BG.

Thats what Im saying!!! Ty, u just made my point! Your server got a good guild, you guys acomplished the 1st place and have the force to fight for 1st as long you keep motivated! And what makes u satisfied? That your server is winning? NO!!!
Ure glad that BG is losing!! lol
You [choo] guys are a joke, u’re the 1st to run away from a fight, then IRON go and actually fight, winning or losing, they stay classy and always come back for more. I respect that. You ppl come here to chest thump on others acomplishments something you just cant do withouth a megazerg and outnumbered opponents…
Try to focus on your server, your problems, your softness…and the next time our servers meet in the field, dont just run away and then, MB u get the respect others got in less the a month in your server. In your place, i would follow after them. Respect others to be respected.

Score Update for those who actually fight!!!

Here is a pic of BG “not” megazerging, while 20 choo are “running away”. From last night….

Never said BG dont megazerg bro, we just dont run when outnumbered. This pic proves only that you gotta run faster, or we’ll get ya! xD

I think you confused yourself bro. Go reread what you wrote and see if your arguments have any sort of logic behind them.

No need bro, lets stay this way: U’re glad BG is losing and bla bla bla, and Im glad Anet will give me a vacation withouth you. All happy, all cool.
Im saying no more, from today untill the new patch im gonna try to fight [choo] withouth having to run 20 miles to catch you guys. Cya in the field boy

Gimme a guild tag so we can make sure you don’t have to chase us too far…… I double dare ya….

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Is very cute the way SoR just cant chest thump withouth a mention to BG. Ty guys!!!
In the end, all this is bs. Weeks come and go, servers rise and fall…
Im not sure what the new sistem will bring us, but just to know that soon we will not have to deal with this overgrown egos and “forum warriors” (/angrychilds) is enough atm.
Rivalry is one thing, but some of you seem obscessed about it, and tbh doesent look very healty, especially for those who actually play the greatest MMO of all times called Real Life and come here just to have fun and not measure the size of our PPT!
Mb in the future, after u get invincible, stacked with 100% coverage and tired of chest thumping, we can have something more then:

-“My server is the strongest! The coolest”
- “No! MY server have the greatest community, we have the real warriors of WvW”
-“Oh Yeah? We have cookies!!!”
- Im gonna tell all this to my MOM!!
- Meh, ur mom is fat!
- And your mom is fat and ugly!!!
- … >.<’

/boring

There will always be forum warriors. BG has forum warriors, chest thumpers, and trolls as well. Maybe you guys just need to fight weaker servers for a little bit to get your fair weather players more involved, since obviously you can’t handle a real fight with an enemy that does not get demoralized or gives up. This is why BG always dropped to tier 2 from tier 1, before gobbling up a server to move back up.

Anyway, im satisfied that the last battle of the “old format” will result in a crushing defeat for BG.

Thats what Im saying!!! Ty, u just made my point! Your server got a good guild, you guys acomplished the 1st place and have the force to fight for 1st as long you keep motivated! And what makes u satisfied? That your server is winning? NO!!!
Ure glad that BG is losing!! lol
You [choo] guys are a joke, u’re the 1st to run away from a fight, then IRON go and actually fight, winning or losing, they stay classy and always come back for more. I respect that. You ppl come here to chest thump on others acomplishments something you just cant do withouth a megazerg and outnumbered opponents…
Try to focus on your server, your problems, your softness…and the next time our servers meet in the field, dont just run away and then, MB u get the respect others got in less the a month in your server. In your place, i would follow after them. Respect others to be respected.

Score Update for those who actually fight!!!

Here is a pic of BG “not” megazerging, while 20 choo are “running away”. From last night….

Never said BG dont megazerg bro, we just dont run when outnumbered. This pic proves only that you gotta run faster, or we’ll get ya! xD

I think you confused yourself bro. Go reread what you wrote and see if your arguments have any sort of logic behind them.

Voicer.8239:

Aurust.8961:

Voicer.8239:

Is very cute the way SoR just cant chest thump withouth a mention to BG. Ty guys!!!
In the end, all this is bs. Weeks come and go, servers rise and fall…
Im not sure what the new sistem will bring us, but just to know that soon we will not have to deal with this overgrown egos and “forum warriors” (/angrychilds) is enough atm.
Rivalry is one thing, but some of you seem obscessed about it, and tbh doesent look very healty, especially for those who actually play the greatest MMO of all times called Real Life and come here just to have fun and not measure the size of our PPT!
Mb in the future, after u get invincible, stacked with 100% coverage and tired of chest thumping, we can have something more then:

-“My server is the strongest! The coolest”
- “No! MY server have the greatest community, we have the real warriors of WvW”
-“Oh Yeah? We have cookies!!!”
- Im gonna tell all this to my MOM!!
- Meh, ur mom is fat!
- And your mom is fat and ugly!!!
- … >.<’

/boring

There will always be forum warriors. BG has forum warriors, chest thumpers, and trolls as well. Maybe you guys just need to fight weaker servers for a little bit to get your fair weather players more involved, since obviously you can’t handle a real fight with an enemy that does not get demoralized or gives up. This is why BG always dropped to tier 2 from tier 1, before gobbling up a server to move back up.

Anyway, im satisfied that the last battle of the “old format” will result in a crushing defeat for BG.

Thats what Im saying!!! Ty, u just made my point! Your server got a good guild, you guys acomplished the 1st place and have the force to fight for 1st as long you keep motivated! And what makes u satisfied? That your server is winning? NO!!!
Ure glad that BG is losing!! lol
You [choo] guys are a joke, u’re the 1st to run away from a fight, then IRON go and actually fight, winning or losing, they stay classy and always come back for more. I respect that. You ppl come here to chest thump on others acomplishments something you just cant do withouth a megazerg and outnumbered opponents…
Try to focus on your server, your problems, your softness…and the next time our servers meet in the field, dont just run away and then, MB u get the respect others got in less the a month in your server. In your place, i would follow after them. Respect others to be respected.

Score Update for those who actually fight!!!

Here is a pic of BG “not” megazerging, while 20 choo are “running away”. From last night….

And just like you have a point with your underhanded “compliments”, I have a point, that everything you are accusing SOR of, BG is just as guilty.

Bonedoctor.2796:

We will get the last laugh in the end this coming week , when your happy little family is broken up and paired against new servers. Without your alliance you will fall and fall in the rankings ,all you have done is make us that much better . We have had to adjust to this tag team and find ways to overcome it ! Will be funny to watch Db treat you like a tier 10 server when your on your own ….Gl to you all !

I think DB may have slightly bigger problems in the near future…

Voicer.8239:

Is very cute the way SoR just cant chest thump withouth a mention to BG. Ty guys!!!
In the end, all this is bs. Weeks come and go, servers rise and fall…
Im not sure what the new sistem will bring us, but just to know that soon we will not have to deal with this overgrown egos and “forum warriors” (/angrychilds) is enough atm.
Rivalry is one thing, but some of you seem obscessed about it, and tbh doesent look very healty, especially for those who actually play the greatest MMO of all times called Real Life and come here just to have fun and not measure the size of our PPT!
Mb in the future, after u get invincible, stacked with 100% coverage and tired of chest thumping, we can have something more then:

-“My server is the strongest! The coolest”
- “No! MY server have the greatest community, we have the real warriors of WvW”
-“Oh Yeah? We have cookies!!!”
- Im gonna tell all this to my MOM!!
- Meh, ur mom is fat!
- And your mom is fat and ugly!!!
- … >.<’

/boring

There will always be forum warriors. BG has forum warriors, chest thumpers, and trolls as well. Maybe you guys just need to fight weaker servers for a little bit to get your fair weather players more involved, since obviously you can’t handle a real fight with an enemy that does not get demoralized or gives up. This is why BG always dropped to tier 2 from tier 1, before gobbling up a server to move back up.

Anyway, im satisfied that the last battle of the “old format” will result in a crushing defeat for BG.

Savage.3967:

scootshoot.6583:

Jet.4795:

Gratz to BG for picking up BT and VK. Looking forward to seeing you guys in the battlefield.

Recent post by BT spokesman seemed to imply all their members completed the transfer and will be ready for reset later.

Fun! Fun!

Unfortunately, this is not true (as of yet). A very small percentage of the members have been successful in transferring, but by no means the complete roster.

You guys did know the server was full 24/7 right?

Mad Rasputin.7809:

If a lower tiered server does better than Glicko expects it to do against a vastly higher tiered server, that lower tiered server’s score should increase at a better pace than it would if that same server were facing a lesser opponent.

Not sure if that made sense, but basically it gives servers a chance to prove their worth against higher tiered servers. Even if they lose, if they do not lose by as big of a margin as Glicko expects them to they should gain points.

Well thats the point of my previous post….they WILL lose THAT badly. The difference in coverage is that big.

Lets say even, a tier 1 server vs a tier 2 vs a tier 3 ( which can happen apparently). The scores will be 530k, 150k, 20k…. great the lower tiered servers gained some glicko…. I doubt they had alot of fun in that matchup however.

Ulion.5476:

I can tell you now Kain lost over half of its guilds and is able to compete in t3. So if Kain gets matched up against any t2 server or above it would be a blow out. When Kain was at full strength (maybe 12 guilds) it was not able to compete with BG before it moved up to t1 and BG stomped everyone in t2 by 100k. As Kain was falling to t3 we still had around 9 active WvW guilds now we are down to maybe 4 WvW guilds. So the differences between t1, t2 and t3 are HUGE.

This is what people dont seem to understand. They havent been following wvw… but some of us have and are able to see the vast differences in strength between tiers.

Here is a some food for thought for those that think hmmm maybe a DB vs JQ vs TC matchup might be interesting or whatever.

Alot of servers were absolutely smashed by Kainengs rise through the ranks. Kaineng got to tier 2 and was getting beaten by BG there by 50k. A TIER 1 SERVER (SOS) fell apart and the vast majority of their wvw forces transferred to BG pushing them into tier 1. That last match in tier 2 for BG, A FULL STRENGTH KAINENG, lost by 150k.

After Kaineng collapsed, WM, RISE, MEOW, a huge portion of what made Kaineng massacre their way up to tier 2, moved to Blackgate. WITH ALL OF THAT ON BG, they are currently in third place in tier 1, losing by 80k +

I hope this somewhat paints a picture of how absolutely vast the differences between the tiers are. Granted there is a bit too much stagnation that developed, but all that it required was a simple adjustment to NUDGE a server out of a tier that it may not have belonged in.

Liquid.9672:

Okay Leto, Hoots, TW and some others. How about we lay off the antagonistic Blackhole comments? I know there is a history/rivalry here but it’s pretty uncool to those who are out there every night, as well as those who have chosen to make BG their home but may be struggling with attendance.

Regarding transfers to JQ, I personally think they may be at a bit of a disadvantage due to human nature. People tend to like to see the “big dog” fall, and the “underdog” rise and become the new “big dog”. The fact is, of the current T1 servers, even with their recent slump, JQ still has 12 more T1 wins and 15 more medals than the next closest server. Until there is a bit more balance in the overall win count, this may be a continued drag in their efforts to recruit WvW guilds (assuming my thoughts on the matter are even remotely valid).

If you want TW to lay off the antagonistic comments… the best way to do that is to go out in the field and fight them.

Immobilize and channeled abilities.

For example, rifle warrior with leg specialist will absolutely destroy thieves. ( Warriors please dont use rifle in wvw).

Evalana.5480:

Dear Blackgate,

Please log off so that I can get in…. I’m going out of the country for the weekend and would like to get in before I leave, lol

<3.

Eva

Tough time getting your guild on to a server that is full 24/7? Or did you actually believe BG when they probably told you how incredibly out manned they are?

Meh, I wouldve liked to see BT move to JQ personally.

Dayra.7405:

Do not forget that we have 3-sided matches!!

SoR may dominate TC and SoR may dominate FA, but if they overdo, TC and FA can ally and at least in prime-time where all three have a full map they will burn down SoR and spawn-camp them, one left one right.

How strong you ever are in coverage, you cannot defend against 2 servers in primetime.

No, whats gonna happen, within a few days, once players are going to realize just how ridiculously outgunned they are. The 2nd and 3rd place server will start fighting each other for 2nd.

Why aren’t the 2nd and 3rd place servers teaming up now? And why all of a suddenly will this occur with new matchups?

Rackhir Tanelorn.9123:

Aurust.8961:

Last time TC fought SOR we beat them by 300k…… a much much much much much weaker version of what SOR is now. Think about that.

Yeah but that was against a much weaker version of TC than what TC is now, and a match that featured a “dead” 3rd Server since SoR had poached most of their main WvW Guilds during the match (SBI).

Of course that doesn’t matter too much since math hasn’t been invented that can accurately describe the size of SoR Trolls’ egos

Ask some players that were there that week about how much fun they had being the underdogs….

Here is a visual aid…..

Dayra.7405:

loquacious.2915:

Therein lies the problem. The tier 1 servers are very good. I can’t see a tier 3 server being competitive against a tier 1.

And here is the real power of the new system!

Do you want to be on a server with hours of queue just to spawn-camp 24/7?

The variation of matches will lead to a spread out of people. Only the stagnation of matches – we had so far – enforced the concentration of people in the top servers.
So far the only way out of a match was a server-transfer. This will now change.

1) There are no hours of qeues

2) Here is the problem.. Lets say you are a guild that is doing the 24/7 spawn camping right now and not having fun because the system matched you up against a much weaker server. You will just wait till next week… thats it and you will be back to having fights… All this system does is toss in a blowout week here and there instead of having a decent matchup each week. If said guild moves to the server that is being spawn camped, next week they may be matched up again against a server that is much weaker then the one they moved too, leading to more spawn camping.

Simply put, with the current scoring mechanics, and coveraged based system you have to either choose between stagnation or uncompetitive matches.

JaredKincade.9761:

What everyone is forgetting, is that the ratings will adjust basted on the relative ratings of each opponent just like it does now.

So lets take an example here. SOR vs TC vs Mag One server from each Tier.

Projected ratings for next week are:

SOR 2214
TC 2000
Mag 1830

The ratings are so far apart that SOR would have to CRUSH I mean destroy both servers by 150k+ rating for SOR not to lose rating. This gives Mag and TC a chance to gain rating if they push hard, because they will gain and SOR drop if they put up any sizeable resistance.

Then, when that week is over, the new ratings will be used to calculate the next week (plus the random generator).

What this means, is the underdogs of each matchup have a huge handicap where rating is concerned. They don’t have to beat the higher rating server, they just have to put up a fight, and the ratings will adjust.

Which server folds after the first weekend? Which servers fight tenaciously every day despite being outmanned? Those servers who keep matches as close as possible will find themselves shooting up the ladder. The higher rating servers that grow too complacent in their 50k leads will find themselves losing rating.

All in all, I think its a GREAT idea, and WvW would be MUCH better off it was done six months ago, however, better late than never.

Now we just need a way in game, so the WvW noob/pug can see that fighting against overwhelming odds helps their server gain rating, even if they may be losing by 100k points. Like an MOS rank projector built into the WvW interface.

Last time TC fought SOR we beat them by 300k…… a much much much much much weaker version of what SOR is now. Think about that.

Jski.6180:

Deyja.6745:

Sunspots.9861:

Anet: “Is Kaineng better than Jade Quarry? Before we never knew, but soon they might get a chance to prove it.”

That pretty much sums up the new system. I think we’re done here.

Terrible idea, please do not implement this.

How else should it be done? Is it ok to fight the same world over and over if you do not like this?

Are you going to enjoy being spawn camped 24/7 by SOR? Literally 24/7? Atleast you have a relatively fair fight every week….. Until the entire PPT system gets changed, there is no way to fix this.

Sharpoon.8197:

ykyk.2740:

This would be bad only if servers remain stagnant. The prospect of constant unbalanced matchups (since tiers are so far apart in coverage) and no longer being guaranteed to fight the same few rival guilds might eventually encourage “top WvW guilds” to (GASP) transfer off the same few stacked servers and spread out among more servers, which will in the long run result in better matches with more variety.

Under this system the only way to ensure “good fights” every week is to spread out, and not stack to the top like under the old system.

I agree with this. Currently, people have been stacking into T1-2 servers to ensure “good fights” every week. Now that this might not be the case, it could encourage some of these stacked servers in T1 to “de-stack” and spread out and create a lot more balance. And YAY for variety.

Any player that actually follows wvw, and understands it, knows that this is a terrible idea. I would go so far as to say this is almost gamebreaking.

pot.6805:

SykkoB.9465:

well since ur leaving t2 for t1 plzz look at jq over bg

and im from sor so its not uh why not r server thing

::Looks at posting history:: Sees nothing but propaganda against BG. Yeah I’m sure they will listen to you.

Yea, we all know BG is the place to go to if you want your guild to thrive….. recent history shows the incredible heights reached by guild transfers to BG showed. I honestly dont understand why some people refer to BG as Blackgatehole, they have a fantastic community that tends to always come out and fight. They dont burnout or get demoralized ever.

showatt.9413:

Masori.3528:

Man refreshing the topic and went back a page. Moderators are busy bees again.

Anyways you should know that wrex was doing this for the laugh and trying to get some fights. Instead of the cat and mouse games.

And he chose a really poor way to do it.

You know, I have always hated JQQ. I think they’re the biggest bunch of whiners around and i love seeing them lose but the rubbish that comes out of your guildies’ mouths are pretty cringeworthy considering you’ve just transferred and already you’re acting like you carry the server while SoR had been competent to begin with.

Winning, losing, it don’t matter. I’ve seen server come and go, from back when Henge was dominating to the rise of JQ to SoS. Look at Kaineng and where they are now. Nobody wins forever. No one lose forever. The only thing that matters is how you present yourselves. Sure, it’s all for giggles. Sure it was just trolling to get the blood pumping. That doesn’t stop you from being a prik though.

There are better ways to go about getting a fight; being a forum warrior isn’t one of them.

I’ve not seen IRON acting like they carry the server. They are a great group of people to play with and we are all having a great time crushing JQ and BG.

Less QQ on the forums, more pew pew out on the field.

1) Kaineng
2) Dragonbrand
3) everyone else

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Doomdesire.9365:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

What is going on in this thread…

Did some guild transfer again or something?

Choo transferred off and went to dragonbrand. TW decided to form a love marriage with SF and go to TC. FEAR decided to join Viz to help them against Elona. Tsym went back to SoS, BG bought the remaining EMP after KnT left to HoD and ICoa merged with RISE. This had no effect on the score though, and firmly reinforces the theory that pugs carried all the servers to tier 1. PUG POWER

Well, that’s a problem because BG loves TC. Back off, home wreckers.

I’d like to put BG and TC in a potato sack and beat them both with a stick. I’d feel bad for the sack though….

Calvin.5380:

Aurust.8961:

Which server in tier 2 has the best NA and best guilds?

Sanctum of Rall

Im just curious, with the “variety in matchups” change coming, you never know who you may face….

Which server in tier 2 has the best NA and best guilds?

There is a charr on SOR named “Swag swag swag swag”

LilMcGinley.3890:

Aurust.8961:

Can’t wait for more variety in our wvw matches…. Ferguson’s Crossing and Borlis Pass… SOR is coming for you! Should be a super fun and exciting match that will definitely not result in any kind of lopsided scores… at all…. a friggin nail biter right to the very bitter end…..

Better get a bed pan folks, in case you crap yourself from all the exciting matches we are in store for that will not be decided within the first day.

“The goal is to get you more variety in match ups, while avoiding match ups against worlds way outside of your current tier so it’s not too crazy.”

No SoR/FC/FC match ups or the like.

It will still be ridiculously lopsided. The difference between even a single tier are MASSIVE. Remember the QQ from tier 8 when SF was stomping it? It will be like that for every matchup, every week….

Love how everyone here is so concerned with gear, that wont really make any impact on wvw… but aren’t discussing a game breaking change that they are implementing.

Vash.9183:

Aurust.8961:

EnRohbi.2187:

Blackelk.3784:

Vash.9183:

Blackelk.3784:

Vash.9183:

Whoah, you are so mad, bro. Don’t pop a blood vessel or anything, it’s not quite worth it… not when DB isn’t actually a sinking ship. Wouldn’t you say that’s JQ? I see why you would be so angry.

Let there be love!

Hey lee asked and I delivered and no I meant Wagon brand you know that 3rd place T2 server.

You delivered nothing but hate and drama in a forum that you don’t belong in. Being 3rd place in a tier that is highly competitive among all 3 servers hardly means anything. Just ask FA, they are skilled but have placed 3rd in tier 2 many times. Same with TC. Please stop the unnecessary drama.

Here on Dragonbrand, we are all getting along. New and old. The forum warriors don’t mean much at all in-game.

Well enjoy your version of menaace lol. I was doing what I felt was my duty in letting you know the truth, due to JQ having already suffered from a similar version of this in a leader of the community. You can take it anyway you want though that’s your right as a person just as it was my right to post here after all the RE and some other choice DB forum warriors choose to invade T1 forums taking smack like they would be in T1 within the week lol. If you want to keep T1 people out of your forum try keeping your people out of T1’s could do wonders.

This entire “You did it, so we’ll do it too” attitude is completely kittening kitten . If people from DB are invading your tier 1 thread, report their kitten and be done with it instead of coming here and making your server look just as arrogant.

I dont see how he is making his server look arrogant tbh.

That’s because you’re doing the same thing

Please do explain……Make sure to quote me in context though……

Can’t wait for more variety in our wvw matches…. Ferguson’s Crossing and Borlis Pass… SOR is coming for you! Should be a super fun and exciting match that will definitely not result in any kind of lopsided scores… at all…. a friggin nail biter right to the very bitter end…..

Better get a bed pan folks, in case you crap yourself from all the exciting matches we are in store for that will not be decided within the first day.

EnRohbi.2187:

Blackelk.3784:

Vash.9183:

Blackelk.3784:

Vash.9183:

Whoah, you are so mad, bro. Don’t pop a blood vessel or anything, it’s not quite worth it… not when DB isn’t actually a sinking ship. Wouldn’t you say that’s JQ? I see why you would be so angry.

Let there be love!

Hey lee asked and I delivered and no I meant Wagon brand you know that 3rd place T2 server.

You delivered nothing but hate and drama in a forum that you don’t belong in. Being 3rd place in a tier that is highly competitive among all 3 servers hardly means anything. Just ask FA, they are skilled but have placed 3rd in tier 2 many times. Same with TC. Please stop the unnecessary drama.

Here on Dragonbrand, we are all getting along. New and old. The forum warriors don’t mean much at all in-game.

Well enjoy your version of menaace lol. I was doing what I felt was my duty in letting you know the truth, due to JQ having already suffered from a similar version of this in a leader of the community. You can take it anyway you want though that’s your right as a person just as it was my right to post here after all the RE and some other choice DB forum warriors choose to invade T1 forums taking smack like they would be in T1 within the week lol. If you want to keep T1 people out of your forum try keeping your people out of T1’s could do wonders.

This entire “You did it, so we’ll do it too” attitude is completely kittening kitten . If people from DB are invading your tier 1 thread, report their kitten and be done with it instead of coming here and making your server look just as arrogant.

I dont see how he is making his server look arrogant tbh.

Vash.9183:

Whoah, you are so mad, bro. Don’t pop a blood vessel or anything, it’s not quite worth it… not when DB isn’t actually a sinking ship. Wouldn’t you say that’s JQ? I see why you would be so angry.

Let there be love!

JQ is currently beating BG pretty convincingly…….

Usagi.4835:

My, my, you’ve all come out to play. Two pages worth of drama within… six or so hours?

Apologies to everyone whose score updates didn’t pass to the next stage; please try again next week!

Mister Mustard.7203:

Exosferatu.2961:

Aurust.8961:

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

And I’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!

Lol!

I may have accidentally started the drama with this post from page 5:

Aurust.8961:

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

And once again, me saying “whatever guilds they are currently farming for” was a reference to the below post by a member of RE in this thread on page 3 implying that DB isn’t really playing for real.

manbearpig.8095:

its not that db is burt out most of certain wvw guilds have been farming gold to assist other guilds (coming soon) in getting to db

Well, I’m off for now. To much drama stirring in this thread.

Parting words. DB, I suggest you try your best to not create a rift between the DB natives and the recent transfers. This tends to happen when there is a sudden massive influx of players, as the natives may start to feel like they are being supplanted, especially if the loudest voices on the forums are from the new guys.

Gellor.6497:

Aurust.8961:

Mister Mustard.7203:

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

How would you feel if tier 1 players came into DB LA and started spamming recruitment messages to shore up their coverage?

WTF I promised to stay off the forums for the week, but I must answer this….. They did to recruit our SEA guilds

EXACTLY!!! How did you feel about it? It literally made you go “WTF” AND made you come back to the forums even. Hopefully this clears it up for some people on DB that are still wondering why their server is getting negative attention (again, not from me).

Arkanfel.8403:

Asudementio.8526:

What you said explicitly states you think TC should be scrutinized for its server status going to full in the same that DB is for being a bandwagon destination. How is this anything other than an attempt at derision. It’s fine if it is but don’t play so innocent.

No, what that passage says is that DB is being ripped for increasing their population, and TC isn’t despite being full. DB is not (at least not that I’ve seen) but we’re the ones getting pooped on for some reason.

Pointing out a double standard should not be taken as an insult to the server, it should be taken as a smack on the nose to forum warriors. It just seems a little silly to me to mock DB for its population/turnout increase when it still has less than TC. I mean hell, TC is full right now and it’s 2pm EST on a weekday.

See my above posts… its how DB is going about it that is rubbing people so hard. They get excited and explode all over the forums.

Mister Mustard.7203:

Niim.9260:

Arkanfel.8403:

Well if you look closely, I wasn’t actually talking to you at first. I was responding to a post that implied DB deserved no respect because the server was “bankrolling” its guilds. That’s not exactly what is going on, no one is actually being paid to come here.

‘Getting more people’ is never going to be a strategy folks will respect. Doesn’t matter if you are paying them or not and any success a server has after getting a bunch of transfers is tainted.

I don’t understand that philosophy.

If a server receives an influx of players, which puts them on par with the servers above them, why is that a bad thing?

If a sports team lands the high-price, big name free agent, are they then “tainted” because they didn’t do it with less talent?

If the game is about coverage, and someone decides to address that issue, why are they badmouthed for trying?

How would you feel if tier 1 players came into DB LA and started spamming recruitment messages to shore up their coverage?

SuiRyuJin.4615:

I log on and see RE spamming Mag LA mapchat trying to recruit.

Insert milkshake joke here.

Page 2 from tier 3 thread. If someone on DB was wondering why you guys are getting negative attention ( not from me, since i dont care), recruiting efforts such as this will get you that. Not to mention coming into tier 1 thread and saying how DB is going to take tier 1 by surprise etc.

Arkanfel.8403:

Asudementio.8526:

you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about

Ah, yes, of course TC has been “full” population for weeks and I just didn’t notice.

’k

EDIT: for the record, I’m not trying to hassle TC for this, I’m just pointing out what appears to be a double standard. TC swears up and down that they’re not getting transfers, but to me it doesn’t matter. People are going to play where they want to play and y’all need to stop crying about it.

For the record, i never said that i find what DB is doing dishonorable, nor did I call DB a bandwagon. Just my observations….

Waage.2047:

Aurust.8961:

syNc.5840:

I don’t mean to butt in but, where is BG SEA? You guys aren’t yourself atm.

BG SEA used to be heavily supported by MERC as well. Seems like MERC doesnt feel like completely carrying the server as much as they used to.

There is currently a huge BG zerg on EB, im sure all of their current active forces, but that is probably because they only have 2 viable targets to defend atm, and no one wants to go to DC bl to try to cap their hills.

That is why we in Black Gate are stuck in a bad position.
Right now there are only 2 active Borderlands SoR and BG. So we will be hit by both SoR who now have the strongest EU and JQ who are hungry for scraps.

The thing JQ lacks are guilds willing to duke it out with a SoR zerg and they go for what is easy and SoR have no choice, but to go to BG.

Overall it is a small mater. If i am i am no longer sick in a few hours then i will come on and go after SoR like i always do. After all there is no fun in fighting some one who do not have more numbers.

Also a side question for SoR are you actually getting real fights. I MEAN REAL FIGHTS! not getting stuck outside a slow siege, but a moving fight.

Yea, we are getting great fights! So dont expect us to get bored.

Arkanfel.8403:

timidobserver.7925:

Aurust.8961:

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

It doesn’t really matter what they do. Nobody is really going to respect any victory won by bank rolling a bunch of huge guilds over.

What if I told you that guilds are paying for their own transfers? DB isn’t “bankrolling” anything.

Why are you trying to hide this? Please refer to this post from a member of RE… somewhere page 2 or 3.

manbearpig.8095:

Master Farkha.1857:

Jayne.9251:

Scanty.7623:

Calvin.5380:

Repair bills have been astronomical this weekend… I guess we’re experiencing the full might of TC, now that their PVE/college population is back in WvW…

Hope you enjoyed your stay in Tier 2.

Don’t be that guy.

Yeah for real. I think DB is just burnt out from pushing too hard. In any case, great fights so far everyone!

its not that db is burt out most of certain wvw guilds have been farming gold to assist other guilds (coming soon) in getting to db

dirtyoldgoat.5496:

Aurust.8961:

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

Maybe…. maybe not, but coming from an expert on the subject….. should certainly make people wonder about it.

…just saying.

We didn’t fatten TC up for a cruel slaying, or hide our intentions. SOR told TC flat out that we will hold back for a period of one week to let our new ( at the time guilds) get acclimated, and then that we would massacre you the week after. We did just that.

Fuzzion.2504:

syNc.5840:

I don’t mean to butt in but, where is BG SEA? You guys aren’t yourself atm.

They went to tc

Which guilds?

syNc.5840:

I don’t mean to butt in but, where is BG SEA? You guys aren’t yourself atm.

BG SEA used to be heavily supported by MERC as well. Seems like MERC doesnt feel like completely carrying the server as much as they used to.

There is currently a huge BG zerg on EB, im sure all of their current active forces, but that is probably because they only have 2 viable targets to defend atm, and no one wants to go to DC bl to try to cap their hills.

I was having horrible disconnect issues in JQBL last night, after i reset my router had no problems at all.

Vash.9183:

To my knowledge, there is no other guilds transferring in. There is only members of the newer guilds that are trying to help the rest of their guild transfer. Like [Omen] and [FIRE], they are not done transferring.

FIRE is leaving JQ? This was from page 5 of the tier 2 thread….

I think that DB is purposefully lowering their rating because they think they can eat up some easy points on two “fattened pigs” later on when they get whatever guilds they are currently farming for.

Good luck to them.

Waage.2047:

Neuromancer.2148:

Aurust.8961:

Neuromancer.2148:

Well, the truth is for every guild we received, it seems two go on hiatus or quit the game entirely. Or a commander needs to focus on real world responsibilities. This has nothing to do with how great or poor a community we have. People have lives outside of a game (even if it is just other games) and will move on sooner or later. WvW is a game of ebb and flow, and the long-standing members of BG know and understand that. We’ve dropped out of T1 the most out of any server, but never crumbled. Guilds in the past have used the server to railroad on their way the top, but that is more an indictment on those guilds rather than the core of the server. Blackgate has paid its dues and no troll talk can ever take that away from us.

Keep in mind that an infusion of fresh blood is healthy – even our own bodies need to produce new cells in order to maintain peak condition. SoR is enjoying this new vigor, and I’m happy for them as they have worked hard to stay afloat in the top tier. But SoR’s achievement of more efficient type of coverage, continuous and uninterrupted, will eventually be met by the other T1 servers. It’s just a matter of time. Remember, this is a game of ebb and flow. Don’t fall into the trap of taking yourself too seriously just because you’re on top for the moment. Many servers have been there before, and many servers will come after..

I beg to differ, a truly strong community, and one that produces a fun environment to play in will greatly reduce the attrition. Thats why guilds on SOR actually grow instead of die out.

You’re right. Next time, I’ll tell my guild that if a member chooses to take care of his sick family member over playing GW2 with us that we’re to blame because we didn’t make the game fun enough for him.

Seriously, just re-read what I previously posted. The reasons may not always be as drastic or dramatic, but you’re arguing for the permanence and consistency of a virtual server on a game just almost a year old should overcome real life situations.

Enjoy your stint at the top, or wherever you are really. Just don’t presume to think you have it all together and figured out the winning formula was because of how amazing you are, and everyone else who isn’t on top right now is falling short of these imaginary standards you’re setting.

He is right we should all stop living our life for the server. I am going back to school soon and it might limit my time.

The only reason i am going back to school is because of how rude and horrible every one on BG is, not because i manged to study enough to pass a entrance exam so i could get in.

Or i guess now that IRON is the big powerfull guild on SoR the member from Choo want’s some attention by being a troll.

Your flame bait is weak.

Neuromancer.2148:

Aurust.8961:

Neuromancer.2148:

Well, the truth is for every guild we received, it seems two go on hiatus or quit the game entirely. Or a commander needs to focus on real world responsibilities. This has nothing to do with how great or poor a community we have. People have lives outside of a game (even if it is just other games) and will move on sooner or later. WvW is a game of ebb and flow, and the long-standing members of BG know and understand that. We’ve dropped out of T1 the most out of any server, but never crumbled. Guilds in the past have used the server to railroad on their way the top, but that is more an indictment on those guilds rather than the core of the server. Blackgate has paid its dues and no troll talk can ever take that away from us.

Keep in mind that an infusion of fresh blood is healthy – even our own bodies need to produce new cells in order to maintain peak condition. SoR is enjoying this new vigor, and I’m happy for them as they have worked hard to stay afloat in the top tier. But SoR’s achievement of more efficient type of coverage, continuous and uninterrupted, will eventually be met by the other T1 servers. It’s just a matter of time. Remember, this is a game of ebb and flow. Don’t fall into the trap of taking yourself too seriously just because you’re on top for the moment. Many servers have been there before, and many servers will come after..

I beg to differ, a truly strong community, and one that produces a fun environment to play in will greatly reduce the attrition. Thats why guilds on SOR actually grow instead of die out.

You’re right. Next time, I’ll tell my guild that if a member chooses to take care of his sick family member over playing GW2 with us that we’re to blame because we didn’t make the game fun enough for him.

Seriously, just re-read what I previously posted. The reasons may not always be as drastic or dramatic, but you’re arguing for the permanence and consistency of a virtual server on a game just almost a year old should overcome real life situations.

Enjoy your stint at the top, or wherever you are really. Just don’t presume to think you have it all together and figured out the winning formula was because of how amazing you are, and everyone else who isn’t on top right now is falling short of these imaginary standards you’re setting.

Well if its something serious obviously….but i doubt your whole server suddenly has to take care of sick family members.