Guild Wars 2

Whether the Nightmare Court could be mentally and spiritually dominated by Mordremoth depended on the origin of the dream of dreams. There are two counter points. 1) Dream of Dreams originate from Mordremoth and hence Mordremoth dominated hive minds. In this case then Nightmare Court will definitely go over to Mordremoth. 2) Dream of Dreams originate ‘from beyond the mist’. In this case then Dream of Dreams does offer protection to all sylvari as in both pale tree sylvari and NC sylvari. Since if speculation holds true that NC sylvari do participate in the dream of dreams only if it’s only the salvage and wild murderous aspect of the dream of dreams, nonetheless it would still be protection from Modremoth. Psychologically it would be a opposition of NC dream of dreams identity to that of Mordremoth one hive mind identity like Zhaitan’s risen one hive mind.

In some ways Wynne is different from other sylvari in that she was the first born of all. She was alone and no body was around to support her in her birth dream and birthing. So she could have over reacted to her first dragon vision or she could have been more vulnerable having less protection than other sylvari that came after.

If it is true that sylvari creation did germinated with a little of human input in the form of human DNA/soul/flesh then it does make sense that the dragon vision represented Zhaitan as he was still alive at the time and Mordremoth was not. However as sylvari are mostly plant the same vision can also represent Mordremoth now as Zhaitan is dead and Mordremoth is alive. So dependent on time both situations were true respectively in their own stage in the plot.

Pretty sure not Dwayna because I do remember it being like Dwayna’s and made sure it not being Dwayna. I do remember getting it mixed with Lyssa…but did a rechecked but came up nothing that I can remember now…

The content of the passage is as is ….It is just a matter attributing to whom…most likely Melandru’s…

Late edit: Myths of gods turning hubris human into trees might have included Dwayna beside that of Melandru.

From the top of my head way back 18 months ago or there about…sorry I can only remember sparse and broken content of the message but can not pin point the material that it was written on ‘…Melandru…alone walking the …’high road’…long through Orr…far have she walked on bare feet…cowed…in rags…through the night…leaves…bending over with swell of sadness…dripping tears like blood…silently…made preparation for the coming storm/furture…activities/building across the waters to the north…west?…

I give up. So inclusion it is or mostly was around the high road Northern Orr.

Konig Des Todes.2086:

Care to link that myth of Melandru in the Tarnished Coast? Don’t think I’ve come across that one.

Out of luck there. Like most players I adventure pass most areas I do some times stop and examine but I never have taken notes. This was well over a year ago in game anyway. Sorry.

Rognik.2579:

draxynnic.3719:

The reason the god-dragon alignment theory keeps coming up is that there are some that line up nicely. The reason it keeps falling down again is that you just can’t get them all to line up without more stretching than a Pilates class.

Does it, though? I remember reading somewhere that Abbaddon was originally the god of water/ice before he was cast out and Grenth took it over. If that is true, I think we have all 6 lining up pretty well:

Zhaitan=Death=Grenth
Mordremoth=Plants=Melandru
Kralkatorrik=Chaos=Lyssa
Primordus=Fire=Balthazar
DeepSeaDragon=Water=Abbaddon

That leaves me with Jormag and Dwayna, and if Jormag is more about cold wind than he is about ice itself, that matches up with Dwayna’s element. Only if the water element part is true, though, but not as much stretching as you first claimed.

In GW 1 there are in-game myths of Melandru turning individual human into trees. That is Melandru has the ability to turn fauna to flora.

In GW 2 in-game, I have come across a myth that tell of Melandru’s preparation and activities on Tarnished Coast across the waters from Orr. That seemed to indicate Grove area. This could be a long shot but it could indicate a possibility of Melandru involvement in the plot surrounding the pale tree pod, Ronin, and Ventari. Oh, also Melandru=plant and animal/human sphere of influence.

Edit: Of cause Kralkatorrik have the ability to turn people/animals and plants into crystals.

Rognik.2579:

Let’s not forget the key to any not in-game piece of lore: anything not in an official release (the games, and some of the books), it’s subject to revision. So while it’s believed that sylvari are modeled after Ronan and his family, maybe the Pale Tree took the perception of human anatomy from the same source everything in the initial Dream did for the Firstborn. Maybe the Trees (assuming there is indeed more than one and Malyck is not just a stray pod from something) are linked somehow on even a subconscious level (do trees even have a consciousness?). Maybe we’ll get some answers from deep in Maguuma.

A shared ancestral memory seemed to be an apt descriptor for the dream of dreams that all sylvari shared. My PC sylvari had an interview with the Pale Tree where she said the dream of dreams originated from beyond the Mist. Given that the first set of original dreams were that of Ronan and his family that all sylvari have, and that the dream of dreams is from beyond the mist where the souls of Ronan and his family now have gone to then it would stand to reason to say sylvari shared an ancestral memory with humans. But of cause sylvari ancestral memory is more real and magical than what we human could conjured up.

Shared ancestral memory in this case, dream of dreams, is a deep rooted identity as an individual or as a race. As such, then one would drawn distinction and delimit of the sylvari race from that of their supposed hypothetical brethren the mordrem. Is this self identity as in self determination and as in self willed that guarded the sylvari from Mordremorth’s annexation?

You need 3 abilities simultaneously. (1) running from divine torch bubble to divine flame. (2) running avoiding red danger zone. (3) aim and one-hit kill black shadow monster to stop him killing the divine flame.

(1) and (2) goes together.

(3) the best way to one-hit kill black shadow monster is to use any large area of effect ground targeting attack. The black shadow monster has very low health point and can be killed by any hit just once. However you can only kill black shadow monster only when you have acquired the divine torch bubble. Otherwise the black shadow monster is extremely hard to kill.

Regarding succession as oppose to take over, I would separate Kormir succession to Abaddon from that of Grenth take over of Dhumn. Abaddon died and Kormir inherited his power. In the case of Dhumn he did not die so Grenth did not inherit any power from Dhumn. Dhumn is a god of death so Grenth’s own godly power is not from Dhumn’s power over death. So where did Grenth get his godly power from? It is true his mother is reputed to be Dwayna and his father was reputed to be Malcor, the famed sculptor, nonetheless Grenth was a mere mortal originally. The story goes he had the friendship and help of 7 champion heroes. So by all account he did not have any obvious godly power, but he did some how acquired godly powers and became the god of death.

I would speculate that the possibility exist for Grenth being the successor to Balthazar’s father who most likely was a god and who died during the Six crossing over from their world to Tyria.

How come Sylvari looked totally human and totally not centaur? One would have thought given Ventari ever present revalence and impact on the Sylvari they would looked like centaur. If not totally centaur then at least some centaur morphology or physiology. But, no, Sylvari looked so human that they just do not compare to centaur.

Is this a case of nature and nurture? Venari might have been a towering giant on Sylvari culture and society, it is the human that composed Sylvari nature. Could the explanation be Sylvari have absorbed human DNA through the Pale Tree in their formative initial phase? Whereas Ventari was only a foster parent on the Pale Tree.

Rognik.2579:

draxynnic.3719:

The reason the god-dragon alignment theory keeps coming up is that there are some that line up nicely. The reason it keeps falling down again is that you just can’t get them all to line up without more stretching than a Pilates class.

Does it, though? I remember reading somewhere that Abbaddon was originally the god of water/ice before he was cast out and Grenth took it over. If that is true, I think we have all 6 lining up pretty well:

Zhaitan=Death=Grenth
Mordremoth=Plants=Melandru
Kralkatorrik=Chaos=Lyssa
Primordus=Fire=Balthazar
DeepSeaDragon=Water=Abbaddon

That leaves me with Jormag and Dwayna, and if Jormag is more about cold wind than he is about ice itself, that matches up with Dwayna’s element. Only if the water element part is true, though, but not as much stretching as you first claimed.

If I made one slight alteration to your list then the alignment make even better sense to me:-

Zhaitan=Death=Grenth => Zhaitan=fauna=Dwayna
Mordremoth=Plants=Melandru
Kralkatorrik=Chaos=Lyssa
Primordus=Fire=Balthazar
DeepSeaDragon=Water=Abbaddon

Can elder dragon usurp power of the six human gods? I believe so as proved in Orr where the six temple magic came under Zhaitan influence and control. What if Abbadon came to Tyria before the other five gods. While he was alone in Tyria his will and power came under the influence of elder dragon. If he did then it would explain his transformation both physical and mental from a human god to a mad half primeval tyria god. Because of the horror of that may explain the other 5 human gods leaving Tyria not wanting the same fate to befell them.

Edit: could Abbadon came under the influence of the deep sea dragon. They are both having the aspect of the deep sea. Could Abbadon have closer affinity to the deep sea dragon than just being a hypothetical elder dragon champion.

Mental Paradox.3845:

Abaddon was not a dragon champion. That’s blasphemy. Show some respect for your lord and master.

He gave his sanity, and later his life, to protect Tyria from the dragons.

I’m still convinced there must have been a reason why Abaddon wanted magic to remain wild and free. I think he knew about the dragons. Remember the text on the ceiling above his statue? “Beware of ….”. He knew, and somehow he was convinced magic could not be allowed to be concentrated into the bloodstones (maybe because they would it too easy for the dragons to consume?). The other gods on the other hand didn’t believe him, and he was forced to wage war on his own kin.

What else could convince the God of knowledge, the wisest of them all, to wage a war he was sure to lose (1 vs 5)? Surely he knew he wouldn’t stand a chance.

Nightfall and his acts of evil in GW1 were just… madness. You spend a thousand years in Hell, and tell me you’ll still be able to think straight. You’ll be consumed by fantasies of vengeance before the first century is over… And Abaddon manifested his dark dreams in reality, that was a part of his power, his “aspect”.

And yes, I roleplay a follower of Abaddon ingame :-)

Was abbadon mad? Yes, so he was. You made a good point there. In the realm of madness which was a reflection of Abbadon will did prove, to me, that Abbadon was mad. The jumbled up architecture and warped sense of space, geometry, intend, and will.

However, this madness of Abbadon could go against your point that he can not be an elder dragon champion. Case in point Cera or… What’s her name again? Oh yea, Scarlet!

Travis the Terrible.4739:

Avariz.8241:

Edit: This is bad logic as the Sylvari are not corrupted by Zhaitan.

Because they already are under the influence of another dragon. :p

I would postulate that Sylvari are in Mordremoth’s sphere of influence in the sense of all being in the flora genius. In addition Sylvari are out side of Zhaitan’s sphere of influence which is the realm of fauna genius. Therefore Sylvari being plants can only be corrupted by Mordremoth and not by Zhaitan.

Edit: with the above then the dream only offer protection for the Sylvari from Mordremoth. It did not offer protection from Zhaitan. The plausible reason Sylvari were not corrupted by Zhaitan could be the Sylvari were not a part of Zhaitan’s sphere of influence and did not affected by Zhaitan’s magic.

One plausible good reason why all six elder dragons reside on continental Tyria is to do with the bloodstones. This is as in the previous elder dragons awakening they completed all their natural intended function of consuming all magic on planet Tyria with the only exception being the large portion of magic sealed away in the bloodstones. As we all know the bloodstones were created on continental Tyria. Well, with no where else to feed except continental Tyria of cause all the elder dragons eventually headed to continental Tyria. They converged and congregated there. This would lead me to the conclusion that once these dragon gods were spread out wide apart with each one residing on different continents but because of Seers meddling with the bloodstones now caused an unnatural imbalance of all elder dragons being located on one continent.

Edit: Magic within the bloodstones had drawn the elders dragons from wide and far to come to continental Tyria.

By leaving Tyria could the human gods be trying to deprived the elder dragons from a new source of magic and thus keeping the elder dragon weak. This would make the job for the human fighting the elder dragons easier.

Elder dragon power is inverse proportional to tyria magic. This is a recycling process switching back and forth between elder dragon power and tyria magic. When elder dragon power is at maximum then tyrian magic is at minimum. When elder dragon power is at minimum then tyrian magic is at maximum.

Creation of the Bloodstones can and has disrupted this recycling process when large portion of tyria’s magic was locked/sealed away in the bloodstones. This can only mean the elder dragons are weaker than they were before bloodstones creation. Could the introduction of the human gods in to Tyria rebalance over all magic in Tyria. The loss of magic locked away in the bloodstones being made up by human gods’ power.

All lore tell us that Elder Dragons are a magical force of tryrian nature. That they are eternal. Yet Zhaitan was killed in end game. So how come aforementioned lore did not match up to game play reality.

I got around this by comparing Elder Dragons as the equal of human gods. For instance, when Abbadon was killed, his will was extinguished and he was gone forever. However, he did leave behind a unique godly powers and aspects. All of which Kormir inherited and made her own.

This same analogous process I think is what happened to Zhaitan. When Zhaitan died his will and his uniqueness ceased to be but the elder dragon powers and aspects would be inherited by a successor. This process would then reconcile elder dragon lore with actual game play.

Edit: if I were to extenuate from the above, a human inherited a human god’s power and became a god herself, then only a dragon kind can inherit a dragon god’s power and become a dragon god or elder dragon.

When a Elder Dragon sleeps there is a nexus of lye lines i.e. Primodus. If the speculation holds up that sleeping elder dragons are a source of magic then it could be the nexus of lye lines is created by Primodus. What happen when Zhaitan died? Shouldn’t his body seep out magic? If that is the case then Zhaitan body should be a nexus of lye lines. The linkage I am trying to make is Zhaitan dead body is seeping out magic as a nexus of lye lines, and the speculation is lye lines from Zhaitan dead body could have been flowing to dormant dragon champions like Teq, and Shadow of the Dragon. So part of Zhaitan magic have been passed to Teq and Shadow of the Dragon. So both Teq and Shadow of the Dragon have constituents of Zhaitan.

My short piece on the possibility of Ventari inherited the Purification Ritual due to proximity of his centaur ancestors next to the forgotten sealed cavern entry/underground ancient city in Silver Waste seemed to have relocated and missed placed.

Well, the main point I was trying to make was the Purification Ritual that the Forgotten did on Glint is showing up on the Pale Tree. There is just too many sign posts of similarities between Glint and the Pale Tree.

If not the Forgotten, and nor Ventari who else knew about the Purification Ritual. Well, Glint herself should know the Purification Ritual as she herself went through it. From that, it is highly likely the Brotherhood of the Cloth and their inheritors, the Zephyrites would knew about the Purification Ritual. They could have contributed to the Pale Tree purification ritual.

There are so many convergence such as did the Master of Peace tried to take Glint’s egg to a place where he could conduct a Purification Ritual on the egg?

If the Forgotten had conducted a magical ritual on Glint that purified her from being a Elder Dragon Champion as purported, then I don’t see why Ventari and his tribe could not have done the same on the Pale Tree seed.

Think for a minute, Ventari and his centar tribe in the Silver Waste were close to the Forgotten Sealed door way. This coincident would indicate that Ventari or his predecessor centar tribe were in close proximity to the Forgotten in the past. The ritual of purification on Glint could even be a collaborative effort from the Forgotten with Ventari’s tribe and which the Forgotten subsequently used on Glint.

So, much later on Ventari could have inherited this purification ritual from his ancestors, and he in turn carried out a purification ritual on the Pale Tree seed pod. There might even have been a magical side effect of this purification ritual which is a boon. Noticed how both Glint and the Pale Tree are prophets? Well this prophetic boon could be the side effect both Glint and the Pale Tree acquired after the same or similar purification ritual.

Edit: Noticed too, how similar Glint world view on other races is compare to Ventari’s teaching as expressed through the Sylvari world view. All the above would indicate direct connection between the Forgotten/Glint purification ritual and Ventari’s tribe/ Ventari teaching/ventari purification ritual on the pale tree seed pod.

What we know of the sylvari creation myth is that Ronan went in to a cave. This cave had a number of plant seeds, hostile plant guardians (possibly Mordrem). Ronan took one plant seed and run out the cave trying to save himself from the hostile plant guardians. However the plant guardians did not gave chase and did not run out the cave. After all the plant guardians have to guard the remaining plants that were still in the cave. So Ronan got away and some time much later he planted the sylvari seed over the graves of his family.

The dream of the Sylvari is shared among all sylvari and the Pale Tree. My preposition is that the dream of the Pale Tree and her sylvari could have been shared with the other plant seeds that were in the dark dank cave back when the Pale Tree were a plant seed in the cave.

The above preposition could mean the nature of the other plant seeds (pale trees) who were in the cave would be more benign. Our Pale Tree could very much be siblings and closest of relations with the other plant pots that were in the cave and thus have a common dream in the same way all our pale tree sylvari shared the same dream. These other pale trees could shared the same dream as ours. Thus if Malyck is from one of these pale trees then Malyck should share the same dream as our sylvari does. Not now he doesn’t but eventually he would.

Tamias.7059:

Wynne: “We come from the dragon. We belong to it. We’re meant to serve it.”
…

I went and googled the cut scene for that dialogue. I had hoped to confirmed it. However, with some disappointment what I found was :-

‘…We come from the jungle dragon. We belong to it. We’re meant to serve it…’

Psientist.6437:

Avariz.8241:

Psientist.6437:

I am torn.

One one hand, I think Sylvaris as dragon minions is equivalent to Sylvaris as race of Mary Sues. The writers were able to keep the truth or logic of their true nature hidden by making the mechanics of their true nature unique. I don’t consider that good writing, I consider that three card monte.

On the other hand; a player controlled race that turns out to be unwittingly and in some cases, intentionally, working for the enemy could prove to be a very dynamic environment for story telling. I just hope the writers have a handle on how dark this environment could get.

In Guildwars 2 beta, all players were corrupted by Krakaltoric, and players as themselves were fighting against other players who had the misfortune to have been corrupted by Krakaltoric. In the end Krakaltoric won as all players turned evil. This happened in all servers in NA and EU.

Pardon my confusion, but which of my comments are you referring to? And are you offering events and mechanics that occurred during beta as canon?

Sorry to have cause you confusion. In the beta there was a special opening event where players’ characters were corrupted by an Elder Dragon and fought each other. This is like the situation now, where players rolling sylvari could be unwitting agents of Mordremoth. Back then in the beta event all player characters got corrupted by Krakaltoric and became evil crystal minions.

Psientist.6437:

I am torn.

One one hand, I think Sylvaris as dragon minions is equivalent to Sylvaris as race of Mary Sues. The writers were able to keep the truth or logic of their true nature hidden by making the mechanics of their true nature unique. I don’t consider that good writing, I consider that three card monte.

On the other hand; a player controlled race that turns out to be unwittingly and in some cases, intentionally, working for the enemy could prove to be a very dynamic environment for story telling. I just hope the writers have a handle on how dark this environment could get.

In Guildwars 2 beta, all players were corrupted by Krakaltoric, and players as themselves were fighting against other players who had the misfortune to have been corrupted by Krakaltoric. In the end Krakaltoric won as all players turned evil. This happened in all servers in NA and EU.

Aerin and Guildwars 2: Heart of Thorn ‘expansion’ cinematic in the part where airships in the armada of the pact exploded and descended down to the jungle canopy. What happened to Aerin could have happened to sylvari crew members ie they come into contact with dragon/chaos energy and lost their mind to some degree and became vulnerable.

Edit: This is bad logic as the Sylvari are not corrupted by Zhaitan.

Ceara said something about dragon energy is chaos energy, could be wrong, but if true, then dragon/chaos energy from Glint’s egg could have made Aerin mad. In such a state of madness and loosening of his attachment to the Pale Tree and the Dream could have made him vulnerable to Mordremoth corruption. This is like a re run of Ceara herself.

Ceara herself did dappled with dragon/chaos energy prior to going into the mind machine and confronting Mordremoth’s mind/will.

Does what happened to Aerin shed a different perspective. He was under the protection of the Pale Tree by all appearances and yet when he got close to Glint’s egg, he was corrupted by an green/yellow energy and possibly by Mordremoth.

There is now a possibility of two distinctive races of Sylvari. The Sylvari of the Pale Tree who are anti-Mordremoth; and ‘pre-sylvari’ who are dragon minions. In the future with the Guildwars 2: Heart of Thorn ‘expansion’, we the player most likely will be fighting Mordremoth that would include these ‘pre-sylvari’ as dragon minions. The pale tree Sylvari would most likely fighting along side us against Mordremoth and the ‘pre-sylvari’ in general.

Edit: The parallelism would liken Glint, glint children, and agents fighting with us in GW1 against our enemy.

saventis.1485:

yea looks like the statue has taken up residence in the durmand prory

There were two cut scenes. The first with the ‘Abbadon’ statue had the ‘Eye of Janthir’ ceiling. The second cut scene was the ‘Priory’ Eternal Alchemy.

The first cut scene now looked like a mussarat temple of abbadon with the ‘Eye of Janthir’ linked to the bloodstone motif.

Conclusion: Mussarat, Abbadon, Eye of Janthir, Bloodstone.

The ceiling deco switched from ‘Eye of Janthir’ theme to ‘The Eternal Alchemy’ astroglobe theme. Mussarat temple of Abbadon confirmed?

The trailer recap have shown a close up of in game footage of the zypherite Master of Peace at the end of the boss fight with Aerin. The close up of the Master of Peace in the trailer confirmed he had a clear golden egg tied to his back. This clear golden egg looked exactly the same as the golden egg in the ‘mussarat city’ cut scene.

No to capping down each WvW server population. Instead topping up each WvW server population to create balance tourney fights.

Currently BG, JQ, TC, SOS, DB has full population status, and it would be difficult to transfer there to participate in WvW. However all the other lower tier servers do not have full population status, and therefor these lower tier servers do not have restriction to transfer there for the tourney.

The idea is tourney reward should be awarded in accordance to a linear progression from top to bottom. This is where the top server gets the best award while the bottom server get the worst award. This should give incentive to players to guest to the highest server available to get the best award achievable.

We should keep the league system. However when the tourney starts the bottom league servers should loose out in participation in the WvW tourney as individual servers. A good reason is they did not qualify in the league standing to participate in the WvW tourney.

Players in the bottom league should be given free guesting to the higher up league servers participating in the WvW tourney for the duration of the tourney. These players should be restricted to the server they have picked for the duration of the tourney. At the end of the tourney they should be rewarded in accordance to the final placement of their guesting servers in the tourney.

Before that pale tree vision, I recalled she struggled to get her word out that ‘there is more than one’. I had assumed she meant another powerful dragon boss right after Shadow of the Dragon. Then in the 1st section of the pale tree vision there is the unknown grove. There are 4 sections to her vision the grove, rising towers and columns of light up to a cloudy sky, a vast underground caverns of large crystals, and finally growing barbed vines smothering the underground caverns.

Could the Pale Tree trying to point to the grove part of her vision when she said ‘there is another one’. By that could she meant another like herself or did she meant another powerful dragon boss? If she was trying to say there is another like herself and this information is important enough to her with her final word, does this mean she already know that she will die and this possible other tree could be a substitute mother tree for all surviving sylvari.

The Charr Human war over Ascalon is a continuation that has never stopped. It is not as though there has ever been a time gap of peace in between. There was none. The fortune of this war is a back and forth between the protagonists for a thousand/s of years.

In GW 1, player character can pay a NPC to master a 2nd profession along side their first profession. Livia as a GW 1 hero is player controllable and therefore can expect to be like wise in having a 2nd profession.

However by racial type, Livia matches Queen Jennah (both red hair with light brown skin), and the former Queen Salma matches Anise (both red hair with white skin).

Lets not forget that Kasmear portal were magically blocked trapping the leaders in danger until the first enemy waves were killed and the portal blockage expired. It was a set up, No?

This is a first where before I never die in the final boss fight in the living story, but in this one I died 3 times with my ranger. . . . sad all round . . . with the ending and all . . .

Open world event and Fenris event both happened and both don’t start. Progress Blocking.

Edit: don’t know how to report bug in game as there is no personal journal category in bug report.

The first king of Orr as in King of Orr is a title. King Dorric has that. He is King of Orr. King of Kryta is an official title. A number of people has that except King Doric. King Doric has never has the title, King of Kryta. No one has given King Doric the title King of Kryta except you.

Queen Elizabeth I is the Queen of many places and she has the titles for them all. Even though a number of her loyal subjects founded many colonies in the USA no one and absolutely no one gave her the title Queen of USA.

Circumstantial: a rush of ley line energy from deep underground below LA reached Mordremoth and woke him/her up.

Eternal Alchemy: a rush of white light from the center of the white Astroglobe reached the green Astroglobe and the green Astroglobe activated.

Conclusion: white light from Eternal Alchemy represented Tyria’s ley lines/energy.

Scarlet: ley line energy is draconic energy???

Fotm Thaumanova Reactor Fractal: experiments from ley line energy resulted in a white energy being. This white energy being/ley line energy being could be related to the white Astroglobe in Eternal Alchemy vision in regard to the white energies as exhibited in the Fractal and the EA vision.

During King Doric’s time there were only the kingdom of Orr. At the time there were no kingdom of Kryta. It did not exist at the time. There were no kingdom of Ascalon. It did not exist at the time. Later after King Doric died the Kingdom of Kryta was founded. Some time after the Kingdom of Ascalon was founded.

King Doric is the first king of Orr. He is not a king of Kryta nor a king of Ascalon.

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Avariz.8241:

The Bloodstones were originally one and whole. It was situated around Arah.

We don’t know where it was situated. We just know roughly where the pieces were dropped.

“Then the stones were dropped, one by one, into the
volcano off the southern shore of the Kingdom of Kryta,
and the gods left this world forever, confident that they
had balanced out their gift and circumvented greed.”

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I am not going to contradict any arguments against my preposition. I am just going to referenced that as a starting point to the current locations of the Bloodstones. The logical exposition would be the Artesian Waters being the central location of the Bloodstones. This is the place where the Six first set foot on Tyria. This is the source of human origin too according to Bloodstones conduits/gates/seals theory. The geographical spread of the Bloodstones is roughly a rectangular area with the key stone in the center at the Artesian Waters. The north west corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at Bloodstone Fen in Maguuma. The south west corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at the Mouth of Abaddon, a volcano on Fire Islands. The south east corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone at the Gate of Torment in the Crystal Desert. The north east corner of this rectangular area is the Bloodstone in the Shiverpeaks.

This geographical exposition is based on GW 1 quests prior to the movements of the world and the Elder Dragons awakening cataclysms.

Arghore.8340:

@Avariz , while interesting, I do not see what it has to do with the relation Dragons <-> Bloodstones … and most I read is your own interpretation of what the bloodstones were, neglecting that ‘lore’ states they were created by the Gods to restrict magic on Tyria per request by King Doric…

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One speculative relation to do with the Elder Dragons is Tyria at the time has been suck dry of magic by these very dragons. Therefore Tyria was depleted of magic with the Elder Dragons being fast asleep and the input of the Six in to Tyria with their own unique human godly magic. As the Elder Dragons were conduits to their respective Astroglobes demonstrated by the ‘Eternal Alchemy’ vision, these respective elder dragons’ Astroglobes were repleted with magic. Therefore with the Realms of Torment map matching the ‘Eternal Alchemy’ map and the Bloodstones being conduits/gates/seals to Realms of Torment and possibly also conduits to the elder dragon Astroglobes, the Bloodstones were a possible tap/faucet of magic on the elder dragon Astroglobes that were full of magic at the time.

The five remaining gods smashed the Bloodstones in to five units. One is the key stone, and the other four are the Bloodstones. The four Bloodstones equate to the four Gate Realms in accordance to the realms of torment map.

This Temple of the Six Gods would indicate prior to coming to Tyria the six human gods have in fact resided in the Realms of Torment before coming to Tyria. The mythology also tell us that the six gods suffered duress before coming to Tyria. For instance Balthazar holding his father severed head mourning with tears streaming down his face as he step through the gates to set foot on Tyria for the first time. Such an event would match what the Realm of Torment was at the time and what it would become and remain subsequently for ages to come.

Severing of the god’s head and flow of godly blood was also an apt method to activate the Bloodstones when they were one and whole.

The Bloodstones were originally one and whole. It was situated around Arah. I have speculated that the Bloodstones were conduits to and from the Realms of Torment. This is where magic pass through between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

Developing the above speculation, the Bloodstones are also gates and seals between Tyria and the Realms of Torment.

Paraphrasing historical lore the six human gods came through the gates at Arah to settle in Tyria for the first time. I postulate those gates are the Bloodstones when they were one and whole. The six human gods and their multitude of humen followers came through the Bloodstones to reach Tyria.

Paraphrasing historical lore, it also dictate that the six human gods and their human followers were originally from the Mist before settling on Tyria. The logic from my theory would conclude the Realms of Torment is part of the Mist if the six gods and their human followers came through the Bloodstones as gates and seals via the Realms of Torment.

Is there evidence for the six human gods residing in the Realms of Torment before coming to Tyria via the Bloodstone gates? In GW 1 there is the Temple of the Six Gods in the Realm of Torment where we as players met up with the avatars of the five remaining gods. The story goes this temple were abandon after Abaddon followers deface the idols of the other five gods.

I’ve played through to the end of the ‘Entanglement’ chapter and after I’ve went and spoken to the Pale Tree. What stuck out from that dialogue is she telling me she and her sylvari originated from the ‘Dream Realm’. To me this imply she and her sylvari might not be of tyrian cosmos.

The vision from Omadd machine begins with the ‘Eternal Alchemy’ as six colored spheres surrounding a central sphere. Gears and wheels around the central sphere spun and turned like an astroglobe and then faded from view.

The player character came into view and approached toward the ‘Eternal Alchemy’.

The Pale Tree icon appeared initially as a separate entity from the ‘Eternal Alchemy’. The Pale Tree icon through various stages integrated into and finally becoming a part of the central sphere. This could mean the Sylvari and the Pale Tree were not originally from the Tyrian cosmos. They were from the ‘Dream Realm’.

If Kralkatoric coming close to death and serious injured by Destiny Edge and therefore is inactive right now but subsequently would recovered and would become active again would explain his sphere of interest coming to life as the fifth sphere in the vision.

As to the last sphere being Zhaitan’s, well he is dead right now but if he were to come to life again after Kralkatoric then that would explain Zhaitan’s sphere coming last in the vision.

The important thing in this vision is Mordremoth and his sphere of interest predominate Tyria while the other spheres come and go from view.

I do have one good reason to doubt our current understanding of the Great Alchemy is the sum and totality of everything as in accordance to the Asuran cosmic view. Our understanding as players came through the Ormad Machine. The Ormad Machine was added to by Scarlet. Scarlet herself was largely a product of Asuran academia. Ormad and Scarlet who worked on the Ormad Machine both have an asuran mind set. Not only that the Ormad Machine was created specifically to look for the Great Alchemy of the Asura. The Ormad Machine certainly found something and because the machine has a priori to find the Great Alchemy what it has found has been cast as the Great Alchemy. All players were in fact receiving information from an asuran interpretation through the Ormad Machine.