Guild Wars 2

since apparently this doesn’t work with AMD/ATI cards I’m gonna give this a try with my graphics drivers and see if I can get any results lol

Alright so I’m sure some peeps have read my topic or seen my comments regarding AMD FX 8 core processors and that I have one (By the way I am totally happy with the unit)

However, I like to get opinions from other people sometimes and this is one of those times so here I suggest:

What would be your thoughts on switching to an Intel i7 3930K (or Ivy bridge equivalent when they are available) and a new LGA-2011 (or LGA-#### if the next gen 6 cores will use a new socket) mainboard?

For this game I read people get amazingly high frame rates and probably better performance in different areas outside of Guild Wars 2 so I figured I’d ask the community what they think.

Also, I’d like to politely ask that people leave out biased opinions and intel fanboy / AMD fanboy stuff. My general question is basically; would the 800 dollar upgrade be worth it? (for LGA-2011 I found a specific board I would get already so it’s around 800 something dollars, probably 900 with taxes)

So that question once more is,
Would the 800-900 dollar upgrade be worth it?

I’m not looking to do any immediate upgrading but just kinda want to get a general thought idea from other people. Thanks!

Well, whichever works for ya!

Being able to mute the spammers would be nice I agree. I hope there is never an auto unequip timer implemented. But until then, mute it or deal with it ‘cause nothing’s been done yet. Besides, people will grow tired of spamming it anyway. I used to spam it until I had more fun making music than making spam.

Buddy of mine has an intel i3 3rd gen laptop with 4 GB DDR3. No graphics chip aside from Intel HD 4000. It plays GW2 on medium fairly well so go for one of those. It will likely play smooth or near smooth on low with that. It’ll probably cost like 500-600 bucks for an intel i3 + Intel HD 4000 laptop. I can recommend that from his experience!

Comparing to other games won’t really help anything. It’s just that GW2’s engine is poorly optimized to accommodate AMD’s lesser single threaded performance it apparently has (yes, this is coming from me, someone who uses a AMD FX-8350 @ 4GHz) so my only recommend is overclocking to like 3.6 GHz if you can. (probably best results from that processor at 4 or higher)

I run FX-8350 with a 7970 and get around 33-40 fps in lion’s arch and good FPS in a lot of PVE areas though. (Still enjoyable so I don’t mind obviously)

BF3 and GW2 is a terrible comparison because those are two completely different game engines and BF3 is AMD processor optimized pretty well. I have AMD FX-8350 @ 4 GHz with Radeon HD 7970 and have about a few more FPS than you in cities like lion’s arch but decent FPS in many PVE areas. Your situation is pretty normal I’m afraid. ._.

Also for the record I’m running max graphic settings. But You could turn your shadows down to high or medium if you have them on max or something. I have super sampling on as well.

Stormcrow.7513:

Avelos.6798:

Stormcrow.7513:

They would have to rewrite the engine code to use more cores.

I know that much is not true

please explain then and forward it to :
ArenaNetRecruitment@arena.net

They really need the help. It has been over 9 months and things are moving along pretty poorly.

:B they just so far choose not to optimize. Considering how far PC gaming has gone so far since it started, you expect too little…

God Of Fissures has good ideas but before that, I personally recommend running your GTX 580s at reference clock speeds if they are factory overclocked, or overclocked at all. I have the same issue sometimes when I run my 7970s above reference speeds (too high will crash the driver for me) so if they run at stock then maybe your graphics driver is a bit under weathered for it. I don’t know fully but hey it’s worth a shot :P

Stormcrow.7513:

They would have to rewrite the engine code to use more cores.

I know that much is not true

Avelos Kamryth,
Level 80 Charr Warrior

Still kinda learning more and more so yeah I might look a little generic. XD

When I blocked someone I did not see their messages anymore until I unblocked them.
but I don’t like blocking because then you can still see conversation that is directed at them and that they are a part of, then someone could get all curious and unblock for the sake of finding out what it’s about. for all they know the blocked person could be talking trash. =____= Blocking cannot be perfect in my eyes though because… so much needs to be done to satisfy me so I just don’t use it. :F

Behellagh.1468:

Avelos.6798:

Behellagh.1468:

There’s no silver bullet here. No magical means to take something temporally linear like a game and code it in a way to scale with the number of cores in a system. No divide and conquer approach to distribute to cores like you can for video compression or ray tracing.

Sure you can. Game engine optimization.

Which wouldn’t be just AMD then.

Ah well everything has room for improvement. The intels are doing great in this game as it appears already. So it just needs a little boost for AMD is all.

Behellagh.1468:

There’s no silver bullet here. No magical means to take something temporally linear like a game and code it in a way to scale with the number of cores in a system. No divide and conquer approach to distribute to cores like you can for video compression or ray tracing.

Sure you can. Game engine optimization.

I got the same CPU and a 7970 and have about the same FPS as you. Sadly, until Anet starts optimizing AMD performance for this game, if they ever, which I doubt will happen, the only thing AMD users can do is overclock.

You know you play too much GW2 when you rack up 500 hours in 50 days ._.

SHUYIN.8940:

Hardware Spec:
-CPU & Clock speed – AMD FX-8350 – 4.0Ghz
-GPU & Driver version – Sapphire Radeon 7850 2gb oc – Driver 12.10
-Motherboard model – Asus M5A99FX (990FX chipset)
-RAM – 16gb DDR3 1600Mhz
-OS – Windows 7 64 Ultimate
-HDD – 2TB Seagate 7200rpm 64mb cache

Game setting
Display Resolution – 1920×1080
Graphic Settings – High Settings (Best Appearance w/ Reflections OFF)

FPS Value:
PVE – 40-70 (Vsync off)
Cities – 30-60
PVP – 40-60
WvWvW – 20-45

I have these specs but with 7970 and a Biostar TA990FXE. My frames are about the same give or take a few

Well, I’m not going to sit here and say some part of your PC sucks ‘cause that’d be rude. I hear it’s just the single thread application performance that holds the frames back. I have an AMD FX-8350 and I was experimenting with 4.5 GHz and gained a little bit of frames but not much. People have told me that this game can run so much better for extremely high end AMD machines but the optimization is poor.

DanteZero.9736:

Floating pauldrons. Floating pauldrons everywhere.

Just like every Charr ever.

A friend of mine has 480 SLI in his desktop and it runs fabulous… It doesn’t sound like too bad of a deal though but I’d look around for GTX 580ms instead for that price or yes better yet, 680m (or even 670m)

I looked at your processor and from it I can wager that it is a dual core running at 1.6 GHz. It’s very underpowered for Guild Wars 2 from what I have read, and this game is very processor intensive.

muslumgurseks.4951:

Well I used to use fx8120 @4,7ghz was dipping 10s with medium settings now Im running 3570k at 4.5ghz with Radeon 6950 modded to 6970shaders and speed I get 50-60any (locked frame) anywhere without too much action 45ish with moderate action(shatterer and that sort of things) and 20ish with zerg vs zerg these with Full settings without supersampling and Fxaa, with them I still dip to low 10s, However, with some culling and some lower settings I get low 30s high 20s with zerg vs zerg battles.

Ps: I still believe that Anet can optimize the engine so it can run zerg vs zerg ~40ish fps without hiccups but they have to put some efforts on it. Because the hardware we run the game on is more than enough to pull that off the coding isnt.

I was testing a bit with my FX-8350 at 4.5 GHz last night and got a few more frames which was nice. On my 7970 I run the game full maxed and I don’t get what you had unless I step into a zerg fight o..o

Also yes I totally agree that this game can play a lot better, and it should on our hardware. GTA 4 is better optimized >:F

Vol.5241:

No JP is hard.

Except Griffonhook

Gives me nightmares to this day.

Challenge accepted.

Kyllaa.1385:

I know Anet has been working some optimisations and such, so hopefully things will only get better

I’m hopeful that this is true. I’d love 60 FPS on this machine considering how much money I put into it.

Kyllaa.1385:

I’m sure you realise that using vertical sync lowers fps by some degree.

But honestly, you guys are getting awesome fps compared to some. I agree, 10 is pretty crap, but the rest is hardly bad by any means. 30 mostly consistently is pretty sweet. WvW is taxing to even the best systems.

Btw, what settings are you running the client with? And if you vary from low, med, high, ultra, what is your variation of performance at each quality step?

Quite aware that V/sync keeps my FPS synced at 60 or synced at all and reduces screen tearing. That’s exactly why I use it, because of tearing not being there.
I can’t play a game without it. Even on computers with bad spec I still used it.

My performance on all levels, when looking at Divinity’s Reach from the Fields Waypoint in Queensdale;
Low: 61 FPS
High: 40 FPS
Maximum (tweaked) : 40 FPS

these numbers taken without V/sync.

30 consistent everywhere is nice. 60 whenever is great.

God Of Fissures.8627:

When Bulldozer first came out, I heard the single-threaded performance of the 1090T bested that of the 8150. Your 8350 may have “some” improvements, but the single-threaded performance is not ANYWHERE near the latest Intel processors such as a 3770k.

If you are truly truly truly serious about massively boosting your FPS, you have to switch to Intel.

I think I might be able to get something through overclocking though. I already did after knocking it up 500 Mhz. without V/sync, the little boost was good. I understand that Intel likely has the better single threaded performance but I’m content with my AMD hardware. I mean, 30 FPS for me is still enjoyable. Just when it drops to around 10 it’s very bad. Persistence!

I’m still experimenting with OC-ing at the moment too and it’s looking alright.

I upgraded from a Phenom II quad core and I read the single threaded performance is slightly better on my new one. but I’m sure overclocking can fix something for me.
I wouldn’t doubt those Intels have good single threaded performance either.

Hello!

Before I begin I’d like to state that this topic is aimed primarily at people using AMD builds (CPU + GPU ). This includes builds with Intel processors and AMD graphics.

I’ve been playing Guild Wars 2 for a month and a half, and finally I decided I wanted to look into frame rate improvement beyond what I currently have. I didn’t get anything to improve FPS beyond installing the game. Outside of Lion’s Arch I usually hover at 40-60 across most areas and occasionally take a 30 to the knee. In Lion’s Arch itself, usually a 30-34 in the common areas I hang around in. In some other areas of Lion’s Arch I can see up to as high as 60 but this isn’t common. (I also read that LA is a bad place to experiment FPS so not really important).

World Versus World plays very good up until a zerg battle erupts and then my FPS get’s speared square in the face. Though running around in a zerg it is around 30 or better FPS.

I’ve read elsewhere that overclocking my processor may help so I will give that a try sometime soon.

I play with Vertical Sync on because I can’t stand tearing either.

The build I play my game on is,
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.5 GHz
Reference AMD Radeon HD 7970 (two cards not in crossfire because GW2 doesn’t favor CF)
16 GB 1600 MHz RAM
The game itself is on an HDD (I don’t mind the loading times of course but it’s not bad)

My general curiosity is, if you are an AMD user, or have an Intel machine with an AMD graphics card, what is your specs? What frame rates do you get? And what frame rates do you get if you have changed anything outside of the game to increase your FPS? I’m looking to tweak mine as well hopefully.

My build is alright for most things but WVW it takes a hit on. I personally assume that it’s because this game like most others is not optimized for an AMD 8 core processor. I only see real FPS hits when it’s a huge battle in WVW. However I bet if I had like an i5 3570K or better or i7 3770K or better, it would be very fine.

And yes as Valin mentioned, CPU is a very important aspect for Guild Wars 2 so it appears. I believe an i7 will do fairly well.