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I just wanted to chip in here and say a response directly to the thread’s title. :P
“Going from 4670K to 8350, What to expect?”
Answer:
A severe drop in performance in Guild Wars 2.
Make sure the laptop is set to high performance power profile and plugged in in case it comes with software that automatically changes it depending if it is plugged in or not (a quality of life feature that ships with pretty much all Asus laptops now)
Oh and make sure the Nvidia Control Panel doesn’t have any power hungry settings enabled by default like super eye candy Anti Aliasing. That will easily kill performance/
If you have any source of income, I’d wager it’d be worth it to wait a little more and then buy it then you could grab the i5 but if you’re happy with it, there shouldn’t be an issue.
You’d be better off with the FX-6300 and R9 270X then if you’re not interested in wvw or large player events since in non CPU bound games, FX processors don’t perform badly. Some games you may see better performance if the same card was paired with the i5 but the i5 configuration has the R7 260X which to my understanding is significantly slower than the R9.
Though if possible I’d try and grab the best of both worlds, the i5 3470 and R9 270X.
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With such a vague description of the problem (lack of computer specs, general software in use, operating system and in game settings,) I’ll have to go with potato for lack of a better answer to your problem.
Try installing another driver like 14.7 RC3 beta driver. I’m having no issues with it except for the notorious driver crash which has plagued me with every single 2014 AMD driver to date. It seems that some people are having that issue and some are not. 12.8 drivers were not compatible with my 7970s so just look for a different one I guess.
extra $150 will get you into the QM range. XM is looking at another $850. For a gaming laptop of such power I think that the 700 to 800 mark is quite worth it. If OP is not just playing guild wars 2 then I don’t see anything wrong with it if OP is not looking for the latest and greatest.
Contrary to some of what was said in this thread already, the laptop asked about in the first post will play Guild Wars 2. It won’t be fabulous, but it won’t be crap either.
A friend of mine played this game on a laptop with an i7 2720QM and a GT 525m and it ran auto detect (medium) settings fairly well, even if it only topped out at around 40 most of the time. Since the i5 in that laptop is a Haswell and it will turbo up to 2.7 GHz set in High Performance mode, you can expect some good playability in PVE content.
Turning off settings like Reflections and Shadows will prove a fairly nice boost, turning down character model limit may help frames as well and since it’s a laptop screen, leaving the render sampling on Native may help as well.
Turning down the resolution in the game from 1920×1080 will help a lot.
In my opinion, I’d wager that that laptop will achieve at least 30 fps in most areas excluding world versus world and world boss events and some other CPU heavy things like particle effects. If the laptop is also on a smoking hot sale right now, I don’t see why not buy it, if you’re wanting a laptop for a good price anyway.
Other notes,
If the i5 in it was maybe a 4200M the turbo would likely be up around 3.3 or 3.4 GHz I think. Not too far off from the 4210U at 2.7 GHz.
I’m having this issue too. Disabling security software and running as admin do nothing. Honestly this is the most infuriating issue I’ve ever seen. I have to sit and wait for it to work.
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Oh I forgot to add, that there are even some GTX 750 TI that don’t have 6 pin power connector. Most of them just run off the PCI Express slot at 75 watts. Ones like the EVGA Superclocked have the 6 pin. Do research on the cards to find which 750 TIs do not have the 6 pins if you want the TI version.
Actually the 750 Ti was designed to not need the 6-pin PCIe power connector. Now if some manufacturer factory OC it and toss on a huge double fan cooler, it might need a power connector because it’s borderline in power draw from the PCIe slot.
Problem here is that there’s more factory overclocked units than vanilla / vanilla with a custom shroud so to me it seems reasonable to say it how I said lmao.
Oh I forgot to add, that there are even some GTX 750 TI that don’t have 6 pin power connector. Most of them just run off the PCI Express slot at 75 watts. Ones like the EVGA Superclocked have the 6 pin. Do research on the cards to find which 750 TIs do not have the 6 pins if you want the TI version.
A friend of mine has a computer with two Intel Pentium 2 processors that shipped at 1 GHz. The board downclocked them to 750 Mhz but he overclocked them to 850 MHz. It has a GeForce 1 and 1 GB of DDR1. It runs Windows XP flawlessly. He’s run WoW on it and it got 16 FPS on the lowest setting in the lowest detailed hallway.
It’s not his main machine though. He’s a techie individual and his main machine has a 4770K clocked at 4.2 and a GTX 770. Stellar machine too.
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The best low wattage card you can buy is the GTX 750 Ti. Max wattage used is 60 watts. The card is a bit pricey at $150 at NewEgg (assuming you are from the US) but it blows away the Intel GPU in the i5 and doesn’t require external power. A cheaper but much slower card is the R7 250 (not the 250x) at $80. It should have a similar power profile to the 750 Ti but as I said, much slower. There is also the GTX 750 (no Ti) that goes for around $100 and falls closer to the 750 Ti performance but closer to the price of the R7 250.
Here’s the only concern, will the power supply you currently have be enough. The eVGA GTX 750 does list a minimum 300 watt PSU and claims the card only maxes out at 55 watts. So in theory it should be fine but prebuilt system have a sad tendency to use the cheapest PSUs on the market for their mass market units.
The GTX 750 itself doesn’t have any 6 pin power connector and it draws less power than a Radeon HD 3650 (which I have in an old emachines with a 300w power supply.)
The 750 was designed to run in any system packing a 300 watt power supply. I think the safest bet is just the base 750.
If the graphics card is a 4830/4850/4870 I’d look at replacing it. However the late coming 4890 which challenged Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 280 reasonably well is substantially better than the former king Radeon HD 4870. However it’s still pretty weak in comparison to today’s offerings but if you do however have a 4890, I’d stick with using it for a bit more. Behellagh’s $250 upgrade is a decent solution.
I looked it up and it appears that all vanilla models of GTX 760 can come equipped with 1.5 GB to 3 GB of 192bit GDDR5. Some resellers offer 4 GB versions apparently but I have not found a viable source beyond a google search. I recommend the desktop packing the GTX 760. It’ll hold up in the longer run.
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My mistake. This is an OEM GTX 760. They are either 1.5 GB or 3 GB.
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Well if you’re enjoying it then what’s the point of arguing it? I’d rather explain to an individual what he’d be looking at with what hardware he’s asking about than just saying “Oh yeah you’ll be fine it’ll be a piece of cake” and get his hopes up only to be potentially disappointed with the purchase that he may or may not be able to even return, if said user would want to.
Informational responses are the best.
A tier 2 fighter jumping into a Tier 1 fight would be like a person living out in the middle of nowhere entering a large city. That FPS you’re describing is clearly not a zerg fight.
The only thing laptops got upgraded with was Haswell’s low power idle state and only recently Maxwell GPUs. The rest is GeForce 600M refreshes. Oh and AMD Radeon HD 7000M, 8000M, M290X. All refreshes of the base 7000M.
That so? Try Tier 1 WVW. 12 and lower FPS of pure hatred in zerg fights on most laptops.
We’re not laptop haters. We’re laying out the facts based on user experiences and laying them out with the worst scenarios. Get your facts straight, thanks.
IF, you are hellbent on getting a gaming laptop for WVW and demand high FPS readings in zerg fights like what you describe, the price is almost your soul. Yes, you will be a ginger after purchase.
What’s the main focus of the laptop? The Intel i7 4940XM Extreme Edition mobile processor. These units can be easily overclocked and the laptop they ship in is usually ready for such things, depending on the brand. The come clocked base line at 3.1 GHz and will turbo up to 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, or 4.0 GHz, depending on how many cores are used. Of course, this is how I know it with my Asus G75VX’s i7 3630QM.
Despite all of the hate the following company that I’m about to say receives, there are a very low sellers I would even think of recommending beyond Alienware. It doesn’t matter if they are overpriced. In fact, for what you get out of their laptops, they’re not overpriced. They come fully loaded no matter what you buy. It’s not all hardware, you know. Alienware’s “Alienware 18” is configurable to ship with two GTX 880M 4/8GB cards in SLI and available with an i7 4940XM quad core Extreme Edition processor. I’m not sure if the Alienware 17(?) the one below that with single GPU is available with the 4940XM.
[Fun fact: The i7 4940XM is the same silicon die as what’s found in the 4770K]
The cooling solution for the Alienware 18 is three fans. 2 for the graphics cards and one dedicated to the CPU. It’s in no way quiet if you’re intolerable of noise, but the performance of this sucker is guaranteed. It’s basically like having a gaming tower with an i7 4770K and two slightly overclocked GTX 680s and 16-32 GB of DDR3. It’s an absolute monster. I would be shocked if it didn’t come with tools for a user to overclock but there may be overclock on request options from the factory. Otherwise there is Intel’s nifty “Intel Extreme Tuning Utility” program or something of that sort. I downloaded it to see if my i7 3630QM in the Asus laptop of mine was overclockable considering the cooling solution keeps it below 35 degrees Celsius the entire time.
Right well I know I’m making the Alienware laptop sound glorious here but it truly is. If I wanted a desktop replacement gaming laptop with desktop grade power, I wouldn’t look anywhere else.
But beyond this laptop and any other laptop packing a superpowered i7 Extreme Edition processor, there’s not a chance of getting 30 FPS in WVW in Guild Wars 2 with super zerg fights. You might be able to with the latest, greatest Extreme i7 clocked to 5+ GHz.
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The Asus laptop that you just asked about, Bonobo, would maybe get up to 20 FPS or just a little higher. The i7 4700MQ processor will turbo up to 3.4 GHz but for four core turbo it’ll reach 3.2 GHz. The 850M Maxwell card can power all of the in game details on max settings easily of course but at the point of where there’s so many things going on it turns into a CPU stressing bench. Now with all settings on low and such an awful resolution, I’d wager it’ll get higher than 25 FPS, maybe over 30 FPS but I wouldn’t get my hopes up. Zerg fights require epic amounts of power.
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Glad to hear your problem is solved. Hope your laptop can handle the beating that is Guild Wars 2, haha.
Pro tip, don’t go with Toshiba for gaming laptops.
That laptop is not designed to play Guild Wars 2 at high settings. The most you’ll get on that laptop is maybe medium settings all across after you set the computer to high performance power profile but if you bought that laptop thinking you could play GW2 on max or high, nope.
Not everyone feels comfortable overclocking sirsquishy.
Once you add in the cost of a new motherboard and 3rd party cooler (for overclocking) to the price of a G3258, you are in i5-3570 (not K) price range. The i5-3470 save $20 and is roughly 5% slower than the 3570.
you do not need a 3rd party cooler to push 4.0-4.4 on air for haswell.
…When you’re using the G3258, that is true. However I’m gonna agree with Behellagh. It’s easier for OP to just purchase an i5 3470 or 3570.
It can play most games, yes. But you’re not going to have a good time playing them on high settings. It’ll play Guild Wars 2 reasonably well on medium when you don’t factor in high player population events and leave shadows off and reflections on off.
I’ve experienced a complete system freeze during Guild Wars 2 once or twice though I feel I may know what caused it. It’s happened to me in another game and while starting another game even. Not often. I’ve updated my graphics driver since then but I’m expecting it’ll happen again.
Well good for you that your issue is apparently solved. If the mobo beeping happens again, check your board manual.
I can’t fathom how you can continue to believe that it’s software related. Well, the PC shutting down and such, sure. But whatever was happening could have put enough load on your system to shut off, or a specific kind of load, but the motherboard doing it’s beeping has NOTHING to do with the game and is the result of a hardware fault of some sort. Maybe you should actually try what others have stated already. I’m fairly certain we know what we are talking about.
If it only does that with Guild Wars 2, then the only thing I can think of is that it’s stressing the RAM and the CPU since this is what the game does. Like a few of us have said, check your motherboard’s manual for the beep code. The game may have caused your PC to restart or shutdown, but something else is making the board beep and is up to you to figure out what it is, assuming you have a manual for that board.
As Ok I Did It said, you should consider reading up the manual for the beep codes. I wouldn’t use it until I know what it was. For all you know, you could be damaging your PC depending on what that beep code means.
And as Abomally said, it’s a hardware issue. Try doing what he said.
Size of a graphics card doesn’t matter too much anymore today. It’s the hardware on it that counts. both cards are optimal for Guild Wars 2 but I’d go for the GTX 750TI because it’s much faster than the alternative.
Neither of the two graphics cards are top end, so always keep in mind that a card having more RAM is usually packing slower RAM. DDR3 is substantially slower than GDDR5 which is designed around gaming.
Once again, Guild Wars 2 is not poorly optimized. It’s about as optimized as it can get with the budget engine that went into it. hen the addition of all the new effects just kinda made it go to the toilet but think of it this way: It could run much worse than it already does.
I’m at a $500 budget
I think you’d have a better chance finding an i3 laptop with Intel HD 4000. Preferrably a standard i3 at least third gen, not a low powered. Something that is like 2.4 or 2.5 or even 2.3 GHz. With intel HD 4000 on it it could get away with medium. My Asus laptop with i5 3210M and HD 4000 can get away with medium settings well enough to play PVE, obvious drops in large player events.
Or you could find an APU laptop that has a good APU in it like I don’t know an A-8 5750M? I haven’t been keeping up with APUs but I understand the mobile quad cores are decent. It’s not going to be as good as the Intel processor, but on the plus side you get a better graphics chip and you can run some of Guild Wars 2’s settings on a higher level. The APUs are good for budgets.
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No there is not a way.
I wouldn’t put Guild Wars 2 anywhere near that laptop. Even with that thing turboing to 2.933 GHz, it would still run very bad on the native resolution. Intel GMA back in those days were horrible and were only meant for business related things or general use like browsing internet, small internet games, complex documents, but NOT games. The last time I played on a laptop with an Intel GMA, it was the worst possible experience. It could hardly handle Runescape with it’s fancy new graphics that was put in. Now Intel HD on the other hand, HD 4000 and 4600 are rather decent in comparison.
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I go normally by Notebook-check.net reviews and they review each card with the best laptop they can find that has it… HD 6770M is one entire class below the 650M. If you scrounged that GT650M from somewhere like Ebay or something it was probably on there for a reason other than what you were hoping. That and it also depends on what model of 650M you have.
But, the 650M is NOT that great of a GPU. You should have taken the HD6770M instead when you bought your system.
Just popping in to say that the GT 650M is substantially better than the HD 6770M. It’s literally a slightly downclocked GTX 660M ASSUMING, that it is the GDDR5 model, (And since it’s Alienware, I guarantee it’s the 2GB GDDR5 model because they never sell the DDR3 model outside out of OEM) and with just a small overclock, or the highest you can get in MSI Afterburner (which really isn’t hard for a GTX 660M or GT 650M or 670MX,) you can get even BETTER performance from it.
The NGPTIM is comparatively worse to the TIM used on the 4770K as far as I’ve read. You’re only getting better temperatures at out of the box settings. I personally don’t see the worth of spending $350 on the 4790K to potentially get dropped with a poor overclocker. Plus OP would need a new board to use it. Some Z87s support it through BIOS update like with Asus Gold series and Maximus series.
I think it’s better to continue with the 2700K.
Keep the 2700K. You will have a hard time overclocking the 4790K to the same frequency. Grab the R9 card though. Worth it.
Back when I used it about a year ago it was pretty far off compared to my motherboard tools and one other piece of software which I forget the name of. Cheese.
Coretemp gives very inaccurate temperature readings in my experience so you’d likely be better off taking the CoreTemp reading and subtracting 8 or so degrees from the result.
Make sure the laptop is clean first of all. Remove dust and clutter near the intake vents. Clean heatsinks.
I’d look at anything Asus G750 and MSI GE/GT series laptops. the GE60s and GE70s are sporting Maxwell based Nvidia GPU. GT60 Dominator is sporting GTX 870M which is really fast. Asus ROG laptops use proprietary in-house custom designed mobile graphics card solutions so the only thing you can change about them is the RAM and storage drives and maybe the disk drive.
With the MSI GT laptops if you get one with say a good mobile i7 processor like an i7 4800MQ or 4900MQ, you have that sucker for three years and you still think it’s got good life in it, well let’s just say that the graphics cards are changeable. It’s not as easy as a desktop but the card itself is removable. Just you’ll have to reapply the thermal hardware. An MSI GT60 running a GTX 770M for example can switch out for a GTX 680M, 780M, 880M. It just has to be compatible with the MSI 16F4 chassis which is what the GT60 MSI gaming laptop is. Kinda pricey but food for thought in the long run.
I have a G75VX Asus however and it’s fantastic. I’m waiting for my MSI GT60 with 770M to come back soon enough.
If you use it regularly, you should at least check it each month and clean it when necessary.
Is your current laptop new or a bit older? Do you regularly make sure that there’s no dust build up?
I’m playing on uh, 700ms and not complaining.
All NCSoft games are having this same issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was some DDOS crap again.
At least I use paragraphs. Better than some walls of text.
This is true.
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All I see is literally walls of text.