Guild Wars 2

Is that budget including taxes?

Time for him to go see a professional for that kind of thing.

Oh if we’re talking CPU temps then yes OP should get that looked at. It shouldn’t be going higher than even 60. Especially in one of those machines.

It might just be the way his laptop is designed. Asus G series gaming laptops are built for prolonged periods of gaming.

Not to mention looking at the design of the laptop chassis, it’s one of those silly gaming laptops with exhaust port out of the side for both GPU and CPU (very inefficient compared to now) Newer generations have the exhaust vents on the back, a lot of brands adopting seperate vents for GPU and CPU

I’ll add in and say Radeon HD 7770 that can push this game at 1080P fairly well. An old guild mate said it worked good for him with his i5 3570K at 4.4 Ghz.

The i7 3630QM doesn’t go higher than I think 46 and the GTX 670Mx in it doesn’t go higher than 60. Asus G75VX. Guild Wars 2 played.

MSI just put out a new gaming laptop with a GTX 780M with a high resolution display. (I avoid saying Retina because that’s a silly Apple thing as far as I’m concerned) I think the resolution is around 2880×1620.

Gaming unit priced at $2,200.
It’s a GT60 unit
It’s a 15.6 inch gaming laptop. It’s not Razer Blade thin but it’s certainly closer. Other than that I can recommend any 15.6 Gaming laptop with very high end gamingGPU and CPU.

If you wanted a laptop specifically for guild wars 2 gauranteed to get 60 FPS in as much as you can, you should go look towards Alienware or Origin PC (Only two I’m familiar with) or any other custom laptop manufacturer (also check XoticPC) and look for anything with an Intel i7 4930XM w/ GTX 780M or GTX 870M/880M. my 670Mx sees some very minor strain at times on it’s own but it’s the processor that counts the most. However given laptop GPUs are lower power/spec version of Big Brother Desktop cards, you’ll probably want a much higher MOBILE GPU.

The price of those two parts though, GTX 780M/880M with i7 4930XM can price out to more than $1,500 US dollars alone for those two parts. If you’re positive you want to game on a laptop, then be prepared to have your wallet screwed.

is that normal for a gpu of that time in a laptop?

I’ve had little things where the FPS dropped really low but it was not choppy here and there. It was a very stable low FPS like 12 or something. It was for short moments and when I moved the camera it would right itself. Maybe it was one of those?

Keep in mind this happened to me on an AMD FX-8350 and an i7 4770K.

Sometimes the Radeon HD 4350 can be an integrated GPU on the mainboard. But yes it is desktop graphics.

I think XFlyingBeeX is just a troll. We should all just ignore him. His points are almost always not contributing to the topic at hand, often derailing threads and spouts bogus information about hardware comparisons without proof to back it up for GUILD WARS 2. Always with something for ANOTHER game. It might work good in THAT game but not THIS game.

I don’t think anyone in their right tech-educated mind would recommend an AMD FX CPU for someone building a machine for Guild Wars 2. And I say that for as in, building a machine mainly for Guild Wars 2. And if otherwise, an APU would probably be recommended if someone were in a tight budget. Even then, an Intel i3 and Radeon HD 7750 will likely have BETTER results.

The best way to go about recommending hardware is to determine what will produce the best experience WITHOUT overclocking. It’s not like everyone was born a master overclocker “Oh just overclock that kitten to 5 GHz and you’ll see a whopping ### frame increase” No, it just does not work like that. And even then, on an AMD FX CPU, you’d probably only see 10 FPS increase from 4 to 5 GHz. I only saw FIVE on my FX-8350 from 4 to 4.7. Worth it? Not remotely! The same 700 MHz increase on say an intel i5 or i7 could see DOUBLE that. But what’s most important in my opinion, is what the performance will be like WITHOUT modification.

Hmm, well fire elemental tends to have a high population participating, and the other event I don’t know if I’m familiar with that. It could be the same thing. Large player groups will slow down FPS, Prime example zergs in WVW. More specifically, zerg fighting.

What locations were you in specifically when the fps dropped that low?

If you’re not looking to OC, I’d recommend the Intel Core i5 4570 quad core desktop processor with any reliable H87 chipset motherboard. The quad core aspect should help it lastt in the long run. For GPU I’d recommend something like the Radeon HD 7790 or the GTX 650TI.
Just an i5 quad core processor like that would kick the snot out of any AMD processor for GW2.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Get FX 6300 and oc it to 4.5Ghz it will outperform any i3 at 3.4Ghz

Assuming OP will even want to OC…

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

KillScale
DX12 is comming

Aaaaand Guild Wars 2 isn’t going to get it ever. So that doesn’t matter.

If OP has not yet bought this laptop, I’d look for one with an i5 4200M instead of even further to i7 4700MQ. The standard dual core i5 paired with GT 740M or 750M can do well in GW2 to an extent.

I don’t think OP will find a Haswell i7 4700MQ for 130, or even for less than 250. Even a used one.

The most noticeable improvement you’d see from RAM I think is if you lowered the CAS latency. DDR3 800 CL6 can keep up fairly well with DDR3 3100 CL12/CL13 when it comes to games. In rated benchmarks, there was roughly a 2.5 FPS difference.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

turn down even character model limit to the lowest

Read the OP’s post please. He wants to be able to see other players.

Resolution doesn’t play too much of a factor unless it’s a lower end system… so I think that’s not the problem.

Go to options and increase the user interface size under Graphics options. I don’t know any other solution unfortunately.

That’s because an R7 265 is all you need to max the game at 1080P. If you wanted more frames, the key lies in overclocking your i7 even further.

Actually, Sirsquishy I’d like to offer a point or two that two of my old guild mates have both played Guild wars 2 on similar Asus laptops all the same specs except one laptop had an i5 3210M and the other one had an i3… can’t remember. Both Ivybridge. Both chips had Intel HD 4000 and for both, they played fine on medium settings when not taking zergs into account. Of course the i5 unit did better with the added turbo boost.
I’m sure this unit would be fine for more than the aforementioned laptops given the that it has a dedicated graphics card GT 740M.

I know I got better performance in Defiance (also an MMO) in huge player population events with my old Phenom II 975 than my FX-8350 did. I would assume it’d be the same for GW2.

Well, I didn’t list everything but there’s a lot of price variations on the numbers I listed without specifying a specific product so possibly anywhere from the same price to 900 I’d have to reckon.

For wvw I think the spec list I provided with the CPU and the GPU should let you do that. Keep in mind though that is far from the best, but is even further from being the worst.

I’ve had a lot of wonderful performance experiences with an AMD FX-8350 on a lot of my Direct X 9 based games when I was using one. Granted they are not MMOs but I still think performance can be enhanced for them which is likely about the best that CAN be done. Sure DX9 might make it harder to do that but is there really an option and the resources available to use an easier API to do that?

Myself, however I have no need to think about it now since I’ve made the decision to purchase an i7 4770K and new board for my machine and I’ve seen performance increases in every game I have played since. I can’t see myself recommending AMD processors unless they want a very budget friendly computer for games other than MMOs.

sirsquishy.8531:

Avelos.6798:

They are new too so I’d imagine with further driver maturing it will get faster.

I hope so, but for the price they have to compete with AMD’s 7850 and 7870’s (7850 at Frys is 159 on the shelve, the 7870 is 179 on the shelve).

180 on shelf for 7870! Hot dog! I want two!

This is exactly why I would never take ANY of XFlyingBeeX’s advice on ANYTHING. All he does is derail the thread with crap that has nothing to do with THIS game.

Hurr durr let’s take a look at this MMO that uses CryEngine it’s so much more advanced and optimized for AMD FX CPU. Well gee that’s probably because that version of CryEngine was released when AMD FX was even a marketed product.

This game, however, GUILD WARS 2, uses Direct X 9 which was created when AMD FX was not even a CONCEPT. Half core modules was probably a preposterous idea at the time as well until somehow AMD was able to make it work. DX9 requires pure core performance. Single thread performance! That is why every processor ever for high end has such amazingly high clock speeds— Intel i7 3.5 GHz. Intel i7 Extreme, 3.5 GHz on SIX cores. Quad cores at 3.4 GHz. Phenom 2 processors as high as 3.7 GHz and six core Phenom 2 processors as high as 3.3 GHz. Why? Because that’s what the game needs if it uses DIRECT X 9

As far as I’m concerned, XFlyingBeeX, Please DO NOT respond to a topic unless you aim to keep the thread ON TOPIC and about GUILD WARS 2, because Holy sweet merciful mother, Arche Age is so amazing, so advanced wow, such AMD FX with it’s Cry Engine platform. What’s that going to do for Guild Wars 2? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. This game started it’s journey in development way back in 2007 when DirectX 10 was only accessible via Windows Vista and we all know how THAT went down. Direct X 11 wasn’t anymore than a drawing board concept as well, let alone 11.1 or 11.2 or DX12 which will probably be just the same as 11.2 which we probably won’t even need.

As far as I’m concerned, this game is not going to get a new engine, a new API, or some other act of God that will change how it runs. It’s up to the developers if they want to change it or not. So if you want better optimization for your AMD FX-6300 and continue to blindly run along up ahead saying that your FX-6300 3.3 GHz triple module half 6 core processor can beat any CPU unit that Intel can dish out, then start doing it in a way that’s more constructive and useful than just comparing things that GW2 certainly is not going to get because the amount of incoming resources is not substantial compared to a game like LOTR or WOW with their monthly subscriptions.

Ahem.

They are new too so I’d imagine with further driver maturing it will get faster.

Same thing with my board when I was using AMD FX-8350. could only disable modules.

I’ve been seeing some reports that resolutions aren’t making too much of a big difference in this game. Even I didn’t have much of a change going from 1920×1080 to 5760×1080.
I think that laptop can get away with medium settings fairly easy with reflections and shadows off or play on auto-detect.

I’ll also take a moment to say that I upgraded from an AMD FX-8350 to an i7 4770K. I had my FX-8350 clocked up to as high as 4.7 GHz and only saw maybe as much as 4 FPS change in Guild Wars 2. To my i7 4770K, the performance difference was night and day with the superior FPS all across the board, AND my multi card performance has substantially improved in every game I have played since.

Back when I played an MMO called Defiance for a bit I saw better performance on my Phenom II 975BE than FX-8350. Better single thread performance in the Phenom line up I’d say.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Yep directX 9 is a crap.
No they should do directX 11.2 or even wait for DirectX 12. But then i5 wont be so great choise why? becuse there wont be so big difference between FX 4300 and i5 4670K

And cue ignoring XFlyingBeeX because all he can do is change the subject when he’s trumped.

OP:
The Intel processor has superior to AMD multicore processors in the FX lineup now because AMD chose to now basically split a single core into two halves in one module.
I thought it was an interesting thing to do but of course since Direct X 9 was made in the generation where CPU performance was valued more, so the processor speed increased with the generations. To make up for that on an AMD FX, you’d have to superclock the thing to beast mode speeds where the Intel is kindasorta already clocked like that.

Until this game receives some better coding on the processor side of thing, CPU speed is everything.

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Avelos 6798 what are you talking about?!

Read my kittening message. I said for everything excluding wvw and zergs.

sirsquishy.8531:

GPU; HD7790 is the best bang for the buck right now and can be got for 99 bucks still.

I think the GTX 750 just took that spot. It’s extremely power efficient and does not require an external power connection. It can run on low power (300-350) systems.

Actually that’s incorrect. An i5 3230M would handle this game fairly well for regular content outside of wvw and zerging. Fantastically I’d go as far to say.
To be honest the GTX 660M would be the limiting factor for the unit. It will do good for sure but you’ll notice some lagging around particle effect graphics. I experience said particle effect lag on even my GTX 670Mx which spec wise is three times more than the 660M (but not in performance but it is a high end mobile gpu)

My laptop with i7 3630QM and GTX 670MX performs admirably with this game excluding the minor particle effect lag every now and then. It handled Tequatl fights pretty well.

If you’re talking about upgrading that Compaq, I don’t think it’d be worth it. The Athlon line presented in it seems familiar but I think finding a better CPU along the line would prove costly. As for GPU, to get a game capable one for GW2 and install it, let alone even use it would likely also prove costly because you’d likely have to upgrade the power supply in it, whiiiiich could further lead to having to replace the motherboard if for example it’s all using proprietary BS.

However I will provide some nice starting specs for a very budget friendly build on a new tower for GW2.

For Guild Wars 2 you’d want, on a budget system made for WVW,
an i5 3450 for H77 or i5 4430 for H87 platform.
6 or 8 GB DDR3
GTX 750 or GTX 750TI.

These three key components, the processor for the 3450 and 4430 are both quad core desktop processors. They’re relatively the same thing in speed, just one is newer and more up-to-date. That would be the 4430. they’re not the highest end i5 so that also saves some money.
The H77 and H87 are the basic chipset Intel platforms providing essential features to the user if for say they were not planning on overclocking. It can still be used in a gaming computer of course.

RAM is self explanatory…
GTX 750 is a very low power consumption high output graphics card. In my opinion, it is by far the best bang-for-buck graphics card because it can be run on very low power systems (300-350 watt) without external connections.
GTX750 TI is a step up, faster than the regular unit of course, a little more pricey but for guild wars 2 should get the job done.
For WVW, depending on what kind of FPS you may want to also consider GTX 660 and GTX 760.

Other parts you’d want is a 450 watt power supply for the previously listed specs and let’s just say 320 GB hard drive because I’m talking budget here.
Then you’re also adding in the cost of Windows 7 or 8 or 8.1 whichever you want.

Not that I’m aware of. You could try lowering the retina display resolution in the game to something like 1920×1200 or 1440×900 if that retina display goes up to 2880×1800.
I’d also recommend turning shadows and reflections off. I do that with my laptop’s GTX 670MX for a huge boost.

The only thing I can think of is that the 16x lane slot is defective in some way but not enough to be picked up. The game should run fine with the 7970 on an 8x slot. I’m running 7970 crossfire and my two sit at 8×. I don’t know too much about it though since I haven’t had an intel platform for too long and this is my first since pentium 4 prescott back in the days of LGA 775. Dodgy’s advice is better than mine. Can check with the manufacturer as well.

The processor’s not being utilized. Since you’re running Windows 8.1 through bootcamp, set the power profile to High Performance. And plug in the macbook if it’s not already.

being a 7970, it has two connector ports on the nose of the card for external power. Are those plugged in? I don’t think it would even boot otherwise if they weren’t however.

the black slot you had the card plugged into was the 8x slot. How you can tell how many lanes a slot has is by looking at how many pins there are in the slot itself. If it goes all the way, it’s a 16. Half is 8, a quarter is 4 and 1 is well… 1.

Being in the 16 lane and the 8 lane, it should perform honestly the same. To the best of my knowledge, a single GPU won’t use up to the 16 lanes anyway. Mostly just 8 unless it’s like a dual chip card example GTX 690 or Radeon HD 7990.

dodgycookies.4562:

your pci slot for your gpu is running x2 2.0 when it should be x16 3.0. that’s the problem.

I know that this isn’t a problem because I was previously gaming on a board with slots that only went up to 2.1. Very little difference unless you have a card with a RAM frequency above 5400 Mhz (I think?)\

Back on the slots now, if the blue PCI Express slot is not working, not displaying anything at all from the moment you turn it on to the moment you turn it off, the slot could be defective.

Sure it can be done, but there’s also the part where they changed how an event works DURING the event which is not right with me. It’s sure not right with a few other people I know.

Correction:

Now:

- A group of 50 players has to produce 16.5 million damage in 6 minutes per watch knight simultaneously.

Yeah that’s a real smart idea. That totally didn’t make the “Six Minutes To Knightfall” achievement nigh impossible.
Especially, if the map can only hold UP TO 150 people.

Terrible idea on that limit ArenaNet. I’ve seen some good ideas and some bad choices, I love this game to bits but this idea route made me shake my head.

Wish I had 90-200 MS delay. I have 700 :/

XFlyingBeeX.2836:

Avelos – stop it!!!

No. You stop it. Do some research before declaring a locked CPU a special kind of overclocking CPU.

Oh and for the record, Intel Celeron single core at 8.5 GHz. That’s not a 24/7 Oc anyway. It’s just an OC to prove you’re the most skilled OCer ever.

More at http://valid.canardpc.com/records.php.

All of these super high CPU frequencies? None of them run 24/7. All of them are meant for proving points. They make the OC, boot windows, screenshot and shut it down.

None of these ‘extreme overclocks’ even count when you bring it up in this discussion.

timmetjek,
I actually recommend investing in a new board/CPU combo if you’re able. A Haswell i3 would make circles around the first generation i3 by now so I think you’d see a considerable jump in performance. However the difference in wvw would maybe be as much as 4-5 FPS at the worst points. I’d actually have to maybe recommend something more along the lines of like a Haswell i5 4430 or 4570 if you’re not interested in overclocking. But after your CPU is upgraded if you choose this route, your GPU may become the bottlenecking bit of hardware.

Before even considering overclocking the i3, you’d have to find out what your board is to begin with and see if it even has any overclocking features.

Without overclocking though, a good pair of parts would probably be any MSI or Gigabyte board paired with an i5 4570. Not too expensive and not too cheap (or underperforming for that matter.)

Further along looking at GPU if you wanted to go further on upgrading, the best price for performance point right now I’d have to say is the GTX 750. It can be run on any machine wih a 300-350 watt power supply. Or almost any. Maybe not a system running a 2 TB HDD, 16 GB DDR3 and an i7 4770. But that is not the case here, however. GTX 750 does not have any external power connectors and it should be as much as plug-and-play.