Guild Wars 2

Kaon.7192:

D/P hasn’t been used much at high levels for the past few months…
S/D is by far the current Apex predator Thief set.

As for what I think/hope will change, I’m hoping for a comeback for S/P with some buffs to make Pistol Whip a bit more reliable for evasion/damage dealing and toning down of retal damage. D/x really needs a more reliable disengage mechanism than Stealth for it to top S/x in viability.

P/P needs a disengage/gap opener/mobility skill and maybe some kind of evade. Otherwise SB will still end up being the superior set.

You are going from a pure spvp/tournament perspective now, what about the dear wvwvw?

Again, valkyrie vs solider is just unneeded survablity vs damage. there is same power + critdamage with valkyrie, so why go solider? increase your EHP? HAHAA, you are an thief, you DONT rely on EHP to survive.

Critdamage outperforms toughness! valkyrie armor + zerker everything else, than you can run stack sigils, 30 CS, and consumeables to buff your critchance, dont listen to wish, he is an awful thief

You only carry two weapons? if you are a pve player you shuld be able to afford more than 1 of each weapon you use.

Walker.3056:

Big Tower.5423:

wish.1027:

Big Tower.5423:

Valk zerk is the way to go

Oh you, what will this be, the 6th time Ive proven you wrong?

Soldiers with Berserkers offers more damage and defense than Valkyrie with Berserkers, no matter what weapon set you are using, or what your traits look like.

You cannot make critical hit damage damage worth more than critical hit chance in any way with any sort of balanced build. The only way you could make C Damage worth more is if you used a lot of knights gear that would increase your precision and not your C Damage. (Which by the way is very bad, because Power is the most useful stat for damage output, and you want Power as the main stat on every piece of gear)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/WvW-Thief-looking-for-some-insight/first#post2674725

These two posts by me explain damage calculations, diminishing returns, and show exactly why Soldiers+Berserkers wins for damage when building for the same amount of EHP compared to using any Valkyrie gear.

@OP:
I was using this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQJA8YlYmiO3ey7E/5Ey2jdqC5JvCkV3DuyqqKA-jUyAorATfAoCwZvioxWFLiGruGT5KEpdTt9uIa1CBUeBA-w
when I was playing S/D. The extra Ini and Endurance on weapon swap using double S/D is pretty amazing when all you do is spam 3 and dodge roll. (And Slice once in awhile I guess)

It looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gqY3pOA3gC4
But ignore my caltraps, I was trying them out for a bit to see how well theyd do, turned out most people were using Lyssa runes and Lemongrass so I got rid of them.

Ghostwolf.9863:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYmSO3bS6E/5Ex2jeuTeqVgmdP4q8tKA-jEzAYLBRiCAZBiKAm8W0a2LgVxioxqXwUlCp6yI7NAcHMa1SBExyI-w

+1 for correct gear placement.
Youre super cool.

Candied Dragonroll would do better for food though, and its vastly cheaper, unless you take 0 damage when you fight people (which is most likely not true) You should look at Oils too, they probably add more damage than Stones since your crit rate is under 50%.

Excalibur.9748:

Incurafy.6329:

You shouldn’t use Valkyrie, Ghost, you should use more Zerker + Soldier pieces. Look for Wish’s “building a better D/D Thief” thread for all of his math and stuff which shows why Zerker + Soldier is optimal.

that’s D/D (different playstyle, different traits, leads into different equipment) and valkyrie can be worth it. armor is useless vs conditions (not a good thing when it’s condi meta and considering low base thief HP), and useless vs fall damage. does his formula even take into account that? i don’t think so.

Armor is useless VS conditions, so is HP, thats why I was running Lyssa Runes and Bask Venom. But, the meta isnt built around conditions, sorry. And speaking from a standpoint of simple numbers, Soldiers+Berserkers will always offer more EHP and DPS compared to Valkyrie and Berserkers when built to similar levels of EHP, it has nothing to do with traits or weapon sets, thats just how it is based on the numbers.

You have many ways to bring up your critchance, and its overkill with survablity to run soiliders, you can do things like perception sigil/foodbuffs to bring up your critchance while still doing way better damage than with spliders, You simply overkill with your EHP, you imagine you are a so pro thief… Sad for you becuse you are awfully wrong, Thief survablity is NOT EHP, its to not get hit. 16 + k hp, 3000 somthing AA, 110 when correctly buffed you shuld get between 60-70 chance which competly makes critdamage WAAAY better than precsion, Crit damage is the way to go as a thief, please play atleast a hour of the class before making your statements, screw teory crafting it does not count disorientation and moblity in it.

You claim things but don not show the math wish had already showed the math using food etc… and btw using 5% crit sig over 5% damage sig is REALLY bad when talking about DPS if you want to prove you are right do the math or show that wish math is wrong wich i think wont be easy since its math is kinda…. right

Gameplay and experince overdoes math, and i never said 5 % sig, i said the stacking sigil perception! You by the way are able to swap weapons when you got a full stack. so shut up and think atleast a second before you post your idiotic statements

Really cool!

D/P is definivlity on the top right now by no competion at all right now, I belive P/P might see some more play, due to them hopefully doin the changes for pistol #2. D/P is probilary gonna sink, due to get nerfed, S/D will probilary sink, but not much due to shaving it down a bit. I actually belive all weapons will fall down on around same usefulness to be honest, atleast after ppl get used to it. Some weapons will of course be played less for some areas and such, for example d/d is never used for spvp, but really good for pve, and high skillcap wvwvw Ppl of course will want to stick with their weapons, but over time i think things will even out, maybe d/d a bit lower as usual, due to lacking permastealth and is a stealth based build, HOWEVER d/d is one of the best weaponsets for wvwvw i run it all the time, ive done 1v6 with it so its kind of good!

wish.1027:

Big Tower.5423:

Valk zerk is the way to go

Oh you, what will this be, the 6th time Ive proven you wrong?

Soldiers with Berserkers offers more damage and defense than Valkyrie with Berserkers, no matter what weapon set you are using, or what your traits look like.

You cannot make critical hit damage damage worth more than critical hit chance in any way with any sort of balanced build. The only way you could make C Damage worth more is if you used a lot of knights gear that would increase your precision and not your C Damage. (Which by the way is very bad, because Power is the most useful stat for damage output, and you want Power as the main stat on every piece of gear)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/WvW-Thief-looking-for-some-insight/first#post2674725

These two posts by me explain damage calculations, diminishing returns, and show exactly why Soldiers+Berserkers wins for damage when building for the same amount of EHP compared to using any Valkyrie gear.

@OP:
I was using this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQJA8YlYmiO3ey7E/5Ey2jdqC5JvCkV3DuyqqKA-jUyAorATfAoCwZvioxWFLiGruGT5KEpdTt9uIa1CBUeBA-w
when I was playing S/D. The extra Ini and Endurance on weapon swap using double S/D is pretty amazing when all you do is spam 3 and dodge roll. (And Slice once in awhile I guess)

It looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gqY3pOA3gC4
But ignore my caltraps, I was trying them out for a bit to see how well theyd do, turned out most people were using Lyssa runes and Lemongrass so I got rid of them.

Ghostwolf.9863:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsYVlYmSO3bS6E/5Ex2jeuTeqVgmdP4q8tKA-jEzAYLBRiCAZBiKAm8W0a2LgVxioxqXwUlCp6yI7NAcHMa1SBExyI-w

+1 for correct gear placement.
Youre super cool.

Candied Dragonroll would do better for food though, and its vastly cheaper, unless you take 0 damage when you fight people (which is most likely not true) You should look at Oils too, they probably add more damage than Stones since your crit rate is under 50%.

Excalibur.9748:

Incurafy.6329:

You shouldn’t use Valkyrie, Ghost, you should use more Zerker + Soldier pieces. Look for Wish’s “building a better D/D Thief” thread for all of his math and stuff which shows why Zerker + Soldier is optimal.

that’s D/D (different playstyle, different traits, leads into different equipment) and valkyrie can be worth it. armor is useless vs conditions (not a good thing when it’s condi meta and considering low base thief HP), and useless vs fall damage. does his formula even take into account that? i don’t think so.

Armor is useless VS conditions, so is HP, thats why I was running Lyssa Runes and Bask Venom. But, the meta isnt built around conditions, sorry. And speaking from a standpoint of simple numbers, Soldiers+Berserkers will always offer more EHP and DPS compared to Valkyrie and Berserkers when built to similar levels of EHP, it has nothing to do with traits or weapon sets, thats just how it is based on the numbers.

You have many ways to bring up your critchance, and its overkill with survablity to run soiliders, you can do things like perception sigil/foodbuffs to bring up your critchance while still doing way better damage than with spliders, You simply overkill with your EHP, you imagine you are a so pro thief… Sad for you becuse you are awfully wrong, Thief survablity is NOT EHP, its to not get hit. 16 + k hp, 3000 somthing AA, 110 when correctly buffed you shuld get between 60-70 chance which competly makes critdamage WAAAY better than precsion, Crit damage is the way to go as a thief, please play atleast a hour of the class before making your statements, screw teory crafting it does not count disorientation and moblity in it.

I wanna heal nearby allies not my self :P

Il just run with ppl that accept a healer

Yes thank you, but i wanna heal XD

Cmon, 66 views NO answers xD

Valk zerk is the way to go

Walker.3056:

Big Tower.5423:

Valkyrie/solider Is WAAAY better than solider/zerker, two words; CRITICAL DAMAGE, same power but extra critical damage, critical damage is really imporant for your damage. screw toughness, your vitality cant match your toughness anywhy, which then means no use of adding even more toughness, try to do for example 1000 armor equals 10000 hp, screw defense thieves already survive as long as you got 15-18 k hp and some experince. Dont listen to incurafy.

Sry bro but unless Valk/sold has same crit damage as a sold/zerk set so you point is invalid, unless you try again and explain wich parts of each armor are you using each stats

I never said solider was good, SCREW solider, valk/zerk is enough survablity

Il play with both d/d and staff, focusing on bunkering and healing, is this gonna work?
HP: 17515
Armor: 2500
Attack 2700
Chance: 39 %
Healingpower 1140

Thanks! Gl further, may we cross again

build?…….

I will go full cleric, staff ele perhaps some celestial

Yeah?… nice

Valkyrie/solider Is WAAAY better than solider/zerker, two words; CRITICAL DAMAGE, same power but extra critical damage, critical damage is really imporant for your damage. screw toughness, your vitality cant match your toughness anywhy, which then means no use of adding even more toughness, try to do for example 1000 armor equals 10000 hp, screw defense thieves already survive as long as you got 15-18 k hp and some experince. Dont listen to incurafy.

Power is THE base damage…

NO ROOT!!!!!!!!!!!

Best of luck, im really looking forward to it

It dont have to be a video, i just tought you made that choice :P But if you are gonna do it on youtube whats your channel? And i can wait, no rush

Let it be if you got a quiver, then you will have stowed swords on your back?

Thank you guys for the input, i think il go full healer/utlity for both pve and wvwvw (yes i know dps is meta… but im not a speedrun guy :P i wanna save the pugs xD

Im looking forward to the video, just ignore these idiots which want somthing good as quick as possioble an dont care how, just ignore these guys dont let it go up in your mind! im really looking forward to it! Please post it here or pm me when you post it, my characther is named thokir deathbolt

Im not thinking at WoW atm, but i think it would be cool here especially for thieves

Please let us stow 1 handed swords on our back

The picture is named nexthero

Not gonna copy you but im really intrested to see what you made out, i would love if you share it

malice offset retal

Please help me chooce somthing instead of discussing who does most damage. Thank for the help so far!

Im gonna play dungeons, and zerging with it (im not a metaish guy)

Hi guys! i want you guys to answer a question, and dont think like healers is bad for pve dps all the way, if you drop that, and just see neutral, what do staff excel most at, nuking or healing/utility?

Hi, ive seen several hylek pots at vendors, but do any of them still work for wvwvw?

Go another weapon set, staionary in roaming is a catastrophe

Excalibur.9748:

You can’t just replace this skill with an offensive skill, the whole WEAPONSET wouldn’t even work. It’s just that important.

Fixed it, weaponset not kit

the revealed is done when the cloak and dagger connects, remember it got a animation.

Hey, im a wvwvw human d/d thief from far shiverpeaks, i saw the tread and tought hey il come with some answers, so here you go.

so well, the good d/d thieves use the autoattack to determine revealed, cast cloak and daggre just after one chain of autoattack. Backstab is allways better if you need high damage, however if you need some quick easy to hit damage use a heartseeker or two. but il never reccomend use more than 2 hs at once, unless its for escape. Hs is never that good when your foe is over 50 %, and try to carry heal in shadows, shadowstep, shadowrefuuge and shadowsignet, if you got traveler runes you can use assasin signet or somthing else, for example shadowsignet if you need a really long jump. but id just stick with somthing easy, a good way to open a fight is to look for the sqishyest target, then precast cloak and dagger + steal (click cloak an dagger then steal right after), after that you follow up with a backstab from behind, then you do a autoattack restealth, then you adapt to situation if you are in trouble and are getting nuked, you cloak and dagger once, then wait out stealth and do it once more, then you backstab + hs. if they dont adapt them selves just do another backstab at stealth right after your first revealed. sometimes i love to use 4, for cripple against high moblity builds, sword + greatsword warriors anyone? XD But nice to see others try to repick the cool d/d set, you might think why play d/d? becuse the meta which is D/P may seem better by first eyelook, but if you go close into it you will know why, becuse d/p will way often do heartseekers, and what cant you do during an animation? DODGE, and you know how crucial dodges is in this game? it the butter. but cool. cya

Ok well, thief benefits from highest single target damage (yes i dare say it) , high evasion and escapeablity. We are the best class on groupfight bosses. but we are really weak if we get caught in AOE. but if you play thief right for dungeons you can make it work. and really there is no metabuild for thief in dungeons. adjust for the dungeon atm. i allways carry two daggers a sword and a bow

No, to much MC which is a kid game

Two letters NO..

You basicly wanna make gw2 copy the worst game ever made world of warcraft known as WoW.

D/D can also do 1v5 more regulary too, look up yishis…

Same keyboard as me mate nice. but i didnt feel need of it for gw2 though, enogh macros on my mouse g(somthing)

P/D sucks kitten

Go d/d. its best

When i did a 1 v 6

Ascended weapons is ment to be your main weapons… (two main handed or 1 twohanded) No one cares for secondary set and underwater combat :P