Guild Wars 2

its easier but required and there’s really no shame in using them

genyen cnfirmed has an amazing voice

100% agreed anet needs to actually THINK about what theyre doing for once in their lifetime

YAY saturdays

Acandis.3250:

Booms.2594:

how do i know if i hit the downed body or if i hit an alive body with stability? no possible way to know. pls fix.

Just don’t miss.

I have never seen anyone intentionally body block banish on a corpse, not in my 2+ years of playing this game. Nobody currently playing is that smart.

doesnt matter if its on purpose. when 4 more people get in a refuge theres a good chance someone is going to accidentally be in front of a banish, since it just targets whoever is closest to me

metabattle.com

how do i know if i hit the downed body or if i hit an alive body with stability? no possible way to know. pls fix.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Rym.1469:

Medi Hammer and P/D Thief demanding, Condition Necromancer medium in this meta. Alright.

MediHammer is hilariously easy to neuter with just about any measure of intelligent play. All you have to do is bait JI and range it from outside 300 range when it goes into Hammer and you get free shots against it. All good players at this point can handle MediHammer exceedingly well in skirmish contexts. The entire build is about teamfight coordinated burst anyway, and it’s very easy (and common) for players to use it wholly wrong and get rekt.

CondiNecromancer has a fairly simple rotation, and don’t forget that in a skirmish setting it matches exceptionally well against a lot of the other meta builds (CeleRifle Engi, for instance). It’s definitely not easy to play because in teamfights it can be ping-ponged easily (especially if Wurm is down), but it’s by no means hard to play either. It also scores a defensive stat in its amulet, lessening the risk of getting rekt in three seconds by a competent enemy duelist.

hahahahahaha okay get your friend and 2v2 me on medi hammer and see how easy it is to deal with in skirmishes

hard: shatter and condi necro
easy: everything else since panic strike covers thief and hammer covers guardian

why is morf listed under guardians besides the fact that the OP is a major apex fanboy?

Basket of Boxes.1976:

Booms.2594:

Basket of Boxes.1976:

I guess I underestimate exactly how bad the players they are matched up with are but at least the few matches I am recalling they were certainly on their class of choice. I did agree they are good players but I think there are players out there that are possibly actually more skilled but not playing conquest and/or playing on a team.

can you give a single or a few examples?

I wouldn’t single people out off the list but two days ago I was in a match with at least 2, maybe 3 players off this list (I didn’t recognize the third party members name).

My whole team was joking before the match started that we were about to get stomped and probably still lose points on the ladder because we were somehow favoured. We ended up winning that match by 350 points and I gained 3 points for that win so we were expected to lose and lose badly.

The two randoms their team was given weren’t the greatest but they weren’t brand new or anything.

I have already said I think the players listed are good but I think it is mostly because they are good at playing with their specific team. I just think there are tons of players in the game that could be on even terms with these players when it comes to skill.

so you beat a 3q that probably had bad players that doesnt really say anything.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

I guess I underestimate exactly how bad the players they are matched up with are but at least the few matches I am recalling they were certainly on their class of choice. I did agree they are good players but I think there are players out there that are possibly actually more skilled but not playing conquest and/or playing on a team.

can you give a single or a few examples?

Basket of Boxes.1976:

I don’t claim to be a PvP master and I only really PvP maybe 4 or 5 times a day but in this most recent ladder season I have seen several of the players on this list lose matches against pugs when there are 2 or even 3 of them grouped up at a time. Surely if they are such great players they can carry two pieces of dead weight against pug teams consisting of pew pew rangers and turret engis.

I am not doubting that they are good but it seems if you take most of these guys off their teams and make they play other solo queuers they aren’t godmode or anything. I think it is more that they play extremely well as teams and are not necessarily the most skilled players.

I actually just saw you made a best teams list and that is probably a lot more accurate than this one.

i shoudl remind you that the latest match making puts good players with SEVERELY worse players than the enemy team. your pug teammates as a good player are GUARANTEED to lose 100% of even fights, andpossibly even outnumbering fights. furthermore you are almost surely going to have them doing very bad rotations, including afking on nodes, rotating into won fights, and rotating into side objectives for no reason whatsoever that puts your team at a disadvantage.

should remove thrackit for somebody

SobeSoul.6910:

Quilja is probably the best guardian NA and isn’t on this.
Zoose is probably playing another game. If you’re going to include him you should include Cmc.
I have seen FalseLights 100-0 PawPaw and PawPaw get rekt one too many times to buy him as top 50 player. Same with Dartanian and Karina getting rekt in queues by random pugs. Not trying to single any of them out or be mean to them.
Olrun’s omission is funny.
Hiba beat Chaith in a duel that was streamed last week and is now NA with a potential team.

How do you make these lists?

i disagree that quilja is the best, he hasn’t been back long enough

demise appears twice too

its sad i always have to look for “kitten” to find me on these lists

so basically all the low mmr noobs who didnt care what was happening to me has the same thing hapepning to them now and are upset gg

DarkSyze.8627:

Ragnarox.9601:

DarkSyze.8627:

I never say nothing about us dying: i do not know where everyone say that. This thread is about a Guardian class doing very high damage which should be warrior class and also how possible a Guardian Class can drain all necromancer death shroud.

wait wha? after seeing your post at rangers forum to nerf their dmg and range you should go to other classes forums and complain too, I would like to see their responses

Guardians wreck scrubs like flies, you should know that because you did experience it on your skin

I am not complaining, i am just concern about their damage and ask question why they can drain all necromancer death shroud.

I like Guardian Class because some commander in my server play Guardian and i understand why: i only ask for small adjustment only, just small. I do not think it will effect their surivivalbility at all. That is what Guardian do: they guard and keep everyone in party/zerg alive but not to excel in offence more than survivalbility.

In result: suggestion will help Guardian focus more on survivalbility instead of focus on damage.

(Guardian is a team player class, not a 1-1 player class)

“Reduce Guardian Damage by 60%-75%- no compensation. "
“small adjustment”

LOL’D
i have a feeling i got a low mmr game and pushed far vs OP and friends

brannigan.9831:

I agree the system is flawed but there are a lot of variables here I don’t know how you can look at what you just posed without hidden information like everyone’s MMR and the win probablities of every match everyone played in that group and act like it’s significant. I know your awesome and everyone there is a scrub. Please A-net make everyone MMR available so we can stop at least some of these threads.

i guarantee you im signficantly better than you and these players

guess which one
hint its me

517 33 Darkstar.5143 X Lone Survivor X 24 15
550 32 Zabilima.5061 Kanye Westside 28 17
626 30 the bleeder.2170 Noahttgobbs 24 24
644 30 iAmSmiles.3418 Iamsmiles 24 22
82% 12 Darek.1836 Móbs 24 17

brannigan.9831:

They aren’t inexperienced players that do these things a lot of the time that’s the problem. I’ve seen plenty of people that are rank 80 that have been around forever that do it. Some people don’t care to understand the better strategies for winning. They do not care. A good example of this is one awful N/A ranger who grinds a billion games and gets high on the leaderboard every time on Legacy of the FoeFire he will do basically nothing from the beginning of the match but attempt to kill the Lord solo.

i seem to know who youre talking about. a certain someone that i raged at and got my other forum acc banned for 2 weeks. worth it.

laokoko.7403:

isn’t shoutbow warrior just bad in 1vs1. I thought they are mostly used in small groups.

the build was actually made to fight cele classes in 1v1, just turns out its decent in skirmishes

dodge overcharge, land LB swaps after he uses a heal (or cover the condis so he cant cleanse them), dodge nades, use cleanse an cds effectively, kite effectively.

Nezia.8154:

When I’m on my shoutbow cele warrior, I really find it hard to 1v1 rifle cele engies(specially with slick shoes, oh how I hate thee). I always have to bail coz I’m low on health and got no more shouts left, while the engi just healed all the damage I did, and keep cc-ing the hell out of me. Tips would be appreciated.

outplay him

Black Box.9312:

rajule.8054:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

They are bugged.

The sword #3 also does not block, it simply absorbs projectiles. Meaning it cannot interact with traits.

Also even if it fired all of it’s attacks off & even accounting for the fact that the sword AA will often miss on moving targets the #3 skill is a DPS loss to just using the AA and hoping it all hits.

These skills aren’t alone in their problems either.

If you look at the mace #3 in combat you will notice it is the only melee block in game that can be triggered & ended by ranged attacks. Every other melee block can only be ended by a melee attack & will thus continue to block ranged attacks until it ends.

can you give an example of other melee blocks that you are referring to.

Warrior mace 2, warrior sword 5, mesmer sword 4, ranger greatsword 4. There might be a couple of others, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

engi shield 5

also the difference with mace #3 is that it can stop an attack no matter whos being hit, as long as its in the radius. also the attack is aoe.

our forum specialist is a turret engi((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((

i enjoy fighting engis on guardian..

ill be trying to make a nice longbow/X build during the stress test and illprobably be streaming it

youre probably using the whirling axe bundle you get from stealing onw arriors. you CANNOT dodge while using it. it will cancel the animation and use endurance but wont actually dodge. this has been a glitch since the power ranger buff patch and anet doesnt care so.

a tip is to use a weapon skill, stow it, then dodge.yeah i know its annoying.

manysongsgw.2931:

Hey All!

I was one of the lucky few to be selected for the stress test this Tuesday. I’m assuming they’ll have Stronghold available to play, so I plan to be playing that for a good while. I’d like to invite you all to come watch the gameplay. I’ll also be answering any questions or comments.

The Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/manysongsgw

I’ll be trying to use some unique builds on existing professions and play some Revenant as well! Feel free to come by however long you want, and thanks!

Feel free to discuss any builds below in case I haven’t thought of them

will play guardian at
http://twitch.tv/holymoobs
exclusively stronghold

+1 agreed

As the title says, high MMR players are punished on the leaderboards.

For example, 80% of my q’s are solo, 15% duo and 5% 3+. Here’s my leaderboard ranks:
333 points for 393 Wins and 175 Losses
.58 points per game, and if 1 win is 1 point, I lose .34points per loss.

Then we look at the #1 player
590 Points for 586 Wins and 525 Losses
.53 points per game. If 1 win is 1 point, he GAINS a tiny amount of points per loss.

Basically the low MMR player (please don’t argue this) makes it impossible to be punished. As long as he’s playing the same amount of games as me, it doesn’t matter if he wins or loses because he gets nearly the same amount of points per game as I do.
How is it fair that I HAVE to win to keep up at the same points/game ratio as him when it literally doesn’t matter if he wins majority or not (he gets -0 while I get -1+)

I thought the whole reason this leaderboard was balanced was because better players can play less games and keep the same amount of points. This just simply isn’t true. I honestly don’t think .05 points per game is a significant difference between 69% W/L (top MMR) and a 52% W/L (low MMR).

Leaderboard is not related to mmr AT ALL.
but yeah it seems like higher mmr players have really long q’s.

glock.6590:

Because there’s so much kitten talking about bad teammates that it kittens me off. If you were good you would be able to carry games regardless of the skill level of your teammates.

I’m just tiered of people who QQ 24/7 about bad teammates when they lose all their 1v1s and even fights.

its true you can carry to some degree. however there are a lot of games where your 4 teammates will lose every single even matchup in the game and even if you win every matchup youll still lose. furthermore theyre at the level of play that even if you take the perfect 1v2 matchup, you might not be able to carry it long enough to make a difference.

Sauncho.8076:

Aren’t cele Engi’s a pretty hard counter…I can’t beat them for nothing. Could just be me however.

if they drop crate, otherwise you have a good chance, especially on sc/hammer

warrior presses warhorn 4 and everyone on the team walks out. similar to guardian pressing stab and everyone walks out of ring/slickies. so yeah not that OP considering everyone has a shoutbow.

(also immob is 90% the first to cleanse)

creepmatic.9435:

I would start calling guardian being “in a good spot” when we will have the ability to get in combat fast, as well as get out. If anyone played Diablo 3 Monk, we could use something like Dashing Strike.

Gives us 2 charges on Sword 2 and make it a blink that doesn’t require target. That alone would make things a lot better. If not then the Developers are going against they’re design philosophy regarding guardian, “The guardian is ment to be the first one to get in combat and stay there, being the last one out” vs “The guardian should not be played as a warrior or as a traditional tank, you have to pace yourself and think strategically or you are going to eat dirt a lot”.

See those 2 things that are claimed by the devs (I will find the link if required) go head to head and deny one another. I’m pretty sure the people that designed the guardian didn’t quite finish the job, and left it to the marketing team to screw the last pieces.

That, and make Zeal equal as a viable choice, or Guardians are never ment to have a real Power build?

Yes, guardians are not in a good spot, srry.

Edit: Dashing Strike in action http://us.battle.net/d3/en/class/monk/active/dashing-strike

the current flashing blade is a thousand times better than one that requires ground targeting. what WOULD be nice is just teleporting yourself 600 range in front of you (opposite of phase retreat) if you dont have a target.

Hunter.4783:

Guess who is enjoying the highest win ratio and fun factor in sPVP right now

Guards are a joke right now,
can’t 1v1,
get focused in group fights asap without able to provide anything,
can’t bunker.
NO tactical gameplay

During the last game on my ranger, im getting focused by this warrior. I hunder shot him, dodge out of cleave and stomp the guy downed next to him while stealthed. Normally players would expect 1 to stealth and run away,
THIS is far more than i could achieve with a typical; guard gameplay

If anything i would say its the easiest class to get into sPVP right now with the lowest skill cap yet with the lowest gain.

There are my thoughts after playing a guard full time since the start of the game. Am i the best guard? No, Do i know what im talking about? I would hope so at least.

Are guards balanced at the highest level of play? I don’t know, but you can’t balance the game for 0.000001% of the player base. Until i can play in MLG i will be retiring my guard from sPVP and focus on other classes which reward skillful and tactical play

Im sorry that youre so bad you cant play one of the easiest specs in the game so you resort to the 2nd easiest in the entire game. Soon you’ll say ranger sucks and roll turret engi.

Black Box.9312:

Hicci.8761:

I don’t think people fully understand the concept of rock-paper-scissors balance. Meditation guardian for example is a powerful counter against any other zerker build AND condition classes.

Having auto-attack off enables you to use leap of faith to get away fast/catch up to people and sword+JI enables you to catch up to even thieves who are low health and finish them off. Not to mention GS #5. Cooldown management is the key-word. Using all your CL’s in panic is only going to get you killed.

Since when does medi guard counter condition classes? It gets melted by condi engi.

guardian can beat condi engi sometimes, really depends on how well you play

BlackTruth.6813:

Phaeton.9582:

ronpierce.2760:

Phaeton.9582:

this has to be a joke

only new players would have a problem vertical with ports. no exceptions.

What? A lot of people have ‘a problem’ with people exploiting a map to have unintended mobility.

Zero good players.

Just trying to further lower the skill cieling for more money.

It’s kinda pathetic that people think Vertical Range is fair game. It’s just as pathetic when people think Guardian is anywhere near hard to play just because it has “instant cast skills” which you can “time.” Couple that with a vertical range teleport, it’s just flat out cancer. Guardian’s don’t need that crap. So do Ele’s. It’s for a greater cause even though Thief and Mesmer will get hit by it.

In-fact if “Guardians” are gonna get worked up over this change then that’s just fail.

lets just go back to spamming axe autos with 6 stances up since thats all you can do

Lordrosicky.5813:

Booms.2594:

sounds like a wvw hero is mad that he has never come close to competing in spvp because of these “OP teleport spots” that he doesnt know how to use since he doesnt get them in wvw

You mean the wvw heroes who would wreck you?

maybe 1v1 in open field since thats all they practice but theyd never take a single game off me in pvp

Hunter.4783:

Sauncho.8076:

is also worthless in a 1 v 1. It’s glass or a poor man’s bunker, not much else.

Pretty much this. Other classes can both roam and bunker better than you. There is NO REASON to bring a guardian in a 5v5 right now.

Warrior ele, engie thief, x

where X being a double of the first 3 will ALWAYS be superior to bringing a guardian.

proof?

sounds like a wvw hero is mad that he has never come close to competing in spvp because of these “OP teleport spots” that he doesnt know how to use since he doesnt get them in wvw

Saiyan.1704:

Ele Engi War Thief
Fifth could be one of the above.. I rather not..
Guardian Necro Ranger Mesmer

You can argue all you want about Necro > Guardian… The Necro didn’t win WTS.

The funny thing is.. in spite our weaknesses, we kinda are in a good spot if you consider a 5th/6th position “good”.

95% of teams will run 2 of warr/ele (either 2 of each or 1 of each), 1 engi, 1 thief, 1 of anything else. often it seems the “anything else” is a guardian btw

Ragnarox.9601:

Booms.2594:

I honestly can’t believe you guys still think guardian isnt good

Yes we are in good 6th place from 8. I can see new meta in HoT -> sc/f + LB. But I thnk i will play Hammer/LB or GS/LB

5th place and there are 5 players on a team

I honestly can’t believe you guys still think guardian isnt good

Aggrostemma.1703:

Sw+F / GS never provided any support that’s why the “meta” medi build was called selfish.
But this was the meta written in stone so everybody used this build… Now Tage just spiced this up with a hammer what was considered a “lame” weapon by many and all the sudden the new “meta” was born…

The hammer did exist before but it did not provide the DPS/burst of a GS… However id provides more utility…

This is how meta changes…

its not tage’s build

Ive had this happen and still dont know what causes it

sword greatsword is indeed the best for carrying soloqrs imo, considering how it has the strongest 1v1, 1v2 mobility and doesnt require a half competent teammate to win 2vx

http://gyazo.com/0046e7f50a21ff7e449fe7a2ff41a642
looooool