Guild Wars 2

you failed me but im going to run medi guard now anyway

backpack and nos making minimum wage off gw2

how will the money be split if you dont mind?

Elitist.8701:

Well, there goes my chances. ;(

dont give up bc they might agree s/d is better with their tankier comp

lilz shorty.1879:

Chaith.8256:

Booms.2594:

lol guard is definitely not NA meta

Yep. The meta core being Ele, Engi, Thief, or Ele, Ele, Thief, those other 5 professions where I mentioned Guardian are optional. Meta =/= optional. Kk. Did you really think I was saying that all 8 professions are ‘meta’?

For anyone else thats actually wondering about Guardians viability, if a team wants to run a Guardian and use the appropriate strategy, ie: playing for 2 points, forcing teamfights, and decapping, that can be done, it is competitive.

This right here. Guard never went out of meta or wasn’t good. Playing with a guard forces you to play 2 points instead of 3 so you avoid bad match ups. Problem with that is to avoid that, you essentially need to have the threat of a decap or the ability to +1 a a fight.

So you essentially need a thief and there were none playing at the time until toker and caed came back.

you guys should ask ken how it is going against condi entangle rangers right now on guardian lmao

not in NA

Chaith.8256:

Anastasis.7258:

Ostricheggs.3742:

Lupanic.6502:

Ostricheggs.3742:

style.6173:

Elxdark.9702:

Lupanic.6502:

Lupanic.6502:

who played for Abjured ? Noscoc and caed did not, right?

Does someone know ?

If I’m correct :

-Toker
-Oeggs
-Wakkey
-Phanta
-Chaith

Is this abjured or good fights? Can’t really tell. Not sure the point of qualifiers if people just rebuild their team.

Regardless, there needs to a replay of the NA event. Right now, the tournament is a disgrace. Not what ANET wanted for their first WTS event.

The point isn’t to rebuild the team and we had no intentions to do so. We found great replacements for nos and caed in both toker and chaith. Nos and Caed had to bow out for school reasons (the date is literally their finals week). Props to them, as well as backpack for helping us get chaith and toker up to snuff to still stay on top.

you played necro in this setup?

For a while I did, but it was mainly to play against comps that hard countered my condi engi with stuns and condis.

Also, to everyone not excited about this tourney and point to the previous ones, I feel pretty bad for you.

The horrendous balancing over the last year + prevented anyone from even caring about the game. Now we have 2 top teams with their rosters filled with stellar players. This is something that has never happened before, especially in a decent meta.

Pax was a joke to begin with after the disaster of dhuumfire. Get with the times ladies, we’re goin esports.

Your engi is finally overpower in this meta doesn’t mean the meta is decent.

The current meta isn’t decent but unhealthy by spamming passive damages without any efforts. (Conditions)

Still have a lot balancing to do in this game, so I said it’s not decent at all.

Condi spam meta.. yeah I dunno about that one, bud. And if it was, Oegg’s Rabid Engineer would probably be the first to get rekt.

EU Meta has next to no condition overload. On NA, it’s just a core of Engi, Ele, Thief, with the optional War/Necro/Ranger/Mesmer/Guard based on what the people play. Just for the fact that you can bring any profession, and not be behind (when using a suitable strategy) attests to the decent balance happening right now.

Engineer meta builds always have high condition application due to grenades, but damage output is more power oriented than condi. Eles do rely on burning, but don’t have a ton of condi spam. Don’t look at the Thief, either.

Basically, the conditions are more from what you choose to bring. If you choose a Rabid Engi, Terror Necro, or Entangle Ranger, alright I guess you have condition overload – but that’s the option, not the meta pick.

Either way, on EU or NA there aren’t more than one player per team running a Rabid/Carrion amulet, that’s for sure.

lol guard is definitely not NA meta

i agree it was stupid

Phantom Pain.3602:

Ostricheggs.3742:

I just want to forget about yesterday. I feel really sorry for everyone involved and slightly guilty for forcing my team into a scenario where we had the chance of losing what was going to be ours. I’m sorry to the people who feel they got screwed out of a chance to go to China, but we were the sure winners anyways… We were on every kitten day for 4-6 hours practicing. I’ve kept that schedule up since before TOL2.

Sorry man, but just because you think you were the “sure winners anyways” doesn’t trump the fact that this was supposed to be an official tournament sanctioned by ANet with set rules and procedures . Even if you 500-0 every single team the matches need to be played out regardless of what everyone’s expectations of the tournament were.

Every team except for Blacklisted got at the very least, a second chance upon someone disconnecting. What happened to us (Blacklisted) at this point is beyond atrocious. It is absolutely comical in light of all these other events.

yeah but lets be real blacklisted didnt have a chance to begin with… no BM intended

Solori.6025:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

xDudisx.5914:

-A medi guard doesnt have op ranged spike dmg.
-He has less hp than a mesmer
-He can’t remove boons like a mesmer
-When imune the guard is not doing dmg, but the mesmer is.

Really.

Let’s not forget a mesmer does max shatter damage at melee

A guardian has twice the healing that a mesmer has

More blocks

More ports to stay on the mesmer

AoE damage to basically nullify the entire mesmer’s main proffession mechanic
( which also nullifies the boon stripping..go figure)
constant burning

And is one of the few classes that can stack might and sustain by itself to 15-18 stacks.

Oh and has access to multiple AoE blinds, Which make mesmer phantasm generation( you know the illusions that actually deal damage) much much harder.

all the while hitting for zerk damage, with bunker sustain.

We all know how balanced guardian is

yeah ok its true mesmer is crap but half of that kitten is so wrong lol. guardian has like 3 stacks of might usually so idk what youre smoking bro,

I know that your not doing it right. That much is apparent.

You have a trait that gives might in an AoE to the party every crit on a 1 second cooldown.

A trait that gives your virtue of justice 3 stacks of might on use

Greatsword gives might at the end of its chain for 7 seconds.

Rune of strength gives might every time your hit and that happens often in combat.

Sigil of battle gives 3 stacks of might for 20 seconds on weapon swap

..please tell me again why you dont have at least 15 stacks of might?

Also LOL one-shot

When you can block, blind, and burn down clones.
If you get 1 shot by a mesmer as a guardian your a bad guardian.

But I guess that’s apparent for you since you think you can sustain at max 3 stacks of might.
LOL

MY guards dont run the might on crit trait
MY guards dont run sigil of battle
MY guards doesn’t run strength either now

I fixed that for you.

If you run the meta build and think that is the only effective guardian build you haven’t explored guardian enough.
It does have more than one effective medi build. Has for a loooooog time.

Also.

Mesmer doesn’t have spammable ports.

They have one on staff 8s CD, and one on a 30sec CD.

A guardian has a port on sword 10s, a leap on GS 15s, and JI on a 36s CD.

Guardian auto for GS cleaves.
Cleaving kills clones.
Killing clones on a shatter mesmer kills shatter burst.

Guardian has 3 blocks and 4 blinds.

A shatter mesmer shouldn’t be a problem for a guardian.

I will concede the point. Not all Guardians run strength runes. Not even my guardian runs with those runes all the time unless I feel like being lazy.

most people already know medi guard counters mesmer but that doesnt really apply to what we’re talking about. cept that mesmer has a counter.

silentnight warrior.2714:

Booms.2594:

xDudisx.5914:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

xDudisx.5914:

-A medi guard doesnt have op ranged spike dmg.
-He has less hp than a mesmer
-He can’t remove boons like a mesmer
-When imune the guard is not doing dmg, but the mesmer is.

Really.

Let’s not forget a mesmer does max shatter damage at melee

A guardian has twice the healing that a mesmer has

More blocks

More ports to stay on the mesmer

AoE damage to basically nullify the entire mesmer’s main proffession mechanic
( which also nullifies the boon stripping..go figure)
constant burning

And is one of the few classes that can stack might and sustain by itself to 15-18 stacks.

Oh and has access to multiple AoE blinds, Which make mesmer phantasm generation( you know the illusions that actually deal damage) much much harder.

all the while hitting for zerk damage, with bunker sustain.

We all know how balanced guardian is

yeah ok its true mesmer is crap but half of that kitten is so wrong lol. guardian has like 3 stacks of might usually so idk what youre smoking bro,

I know that your not doing it right. That much is apparent.

You have a trait that gives might in an AoE to the party every crit on a 1 second cooldown.

A trait that gives your virtue of justice 3 stacks of might on use

Greatsword gives might at the end of its chain for 7 seconds.

Rune of strength gives might every time your hit and that happens often in combat.

Sigil of battle gives 3 stacks of might for 20 seconds on weapon swap

..please tell me again why you dont have at least 15 stacks of might?

Also LOL one-shot

When you can block, blind, and burn down clones.
If you get 1 shot by a mesmer as a guardian your a bad guardian.

But I guess that’s apparent for you since you think you can sustain at max 3 stacks of might.
LOL

guards dont run the might on crit trait
guards dont run sigil of battle
most guards dont run strength either now
gs autos are slow and take forever and usually wont be procced (especially vs mesmers)

and yea yea a mesmer wont actually land a shatter on a guard… but if he did it’d be a one shot.

A medi guard also doens’t have freaking spamable blinks like a mesmer does lol. His ranged dmg is not even close to the mesmer one. Medi guard also is not super mobile like a mesmer.

actually guardian has a 600 range teleport on a 10s cd (the exact same as phase retreat lol)

Exacly, while one got a gap closer and its tied to melee to deal damage the other is a kiting skill and its tied to ranged damage.
You are saying that he is right…..

well if im using a melee weapon i think i’d want to use a gapcloser not an opener. besides melee has its advantages (like actually being on point)

Aggrostemma.1703:

I don’t PvP much but to defend the elementalist:

apart of PvP nobody runs full celestial elementalis. In PvE you either go for full zerk or zerk+celestial. In wvw… same but sometimes knight-soldier+celestial. Full celestial is IMHO not viable anywhere else but in PvP where you cannot mix gear. You have no choice.

Full celestial elementalist basically does not exists outside of the PvP (yeah I know some of you runs them but it’s still not common and FAR from OP).
D/D ele by itself is not OP by any means. So it must be the PvP Celestial amulett, strength runes and the insane might stacking … as mentioned above….

Just my two cents….

i dont pve much but i thnk its fair to say no one cares about pve and wvw here

xDudisx.5914:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

xDudisx.5914:

-A medi guard doesnt have op ranged spike dmg.
-He has less hp than a mesmer
-He can’t remove boons like a mesmer
-When imune the guard is not doing dmg, but the mesmer is.

Really.

Let’s not forget a mesmer does max shatter damage at melee

A guardian has twice the healing that a mesmer has

More blocks

More ports to stay on the mesmer

AoE damage to basically nullify the entire mesmer’s main proffession mechanic
( which also nullifies the boon stripping..go figure)
constant burning

And is one of the few classes that can stack might and sustain by itself to 15-18 stacks.

Oh and has access to multiple AoE blinds, Which make mesmer phantasm generation( you know the illusions that actually deal damage) much much harder.

all the while hitting for zerk damage, with bunker sustain.

We all know how balanced guardian is

yeah ok its true mesmer is crap but half of that kitten is so wrong lol. guardian has like 3 stacks of might usually so idk what youre smoking bro,

I know that your not doing it right. That much is apparent.

You have a trait that gives might in an AoE to the party every crit on a 1 second cooldown.

A trait that gives your virtue of justice 3 stacks of might on use

Greatsword gives might at the end of its chain for 7 seconds.

Rune of strength gives might every time your hit and that happens often in combat.

Sigil of battle gives 3 stacks of might for 20 seconds on weapon swap

..please tell me again why you dont have at least 15 stacks of might?

Also LOL one-shot

When you can block, blind, and burn down clones.
If you get 1 shot by a mesmer as a guardian your a bad guardian.

But I guess that’s apparent for you since you think you can sustain at max 3 stacks of might.
LOL

guards dont run the might on crit trait
guards dont run sigil of battle
most guards dont run strength either now
gs autos are slow and take forever and usually wont be procced (especially vs mesmers)

and yea yea a mesmer wont actually land a shatter on a guard… but if he did it’d be a one shot.

A medi guard also doens’t have freaking spamable blinks like a mesmer does lol. His ranged dmg is not even close to the mesmer one. Medi guard also is not super mobile like a mesmer.

actually guardian has a 600 range teleport on a 10s cd (the exact same as phase retreat lol)

vincecontix.1264:

Meh ele is the strongest(not by much) but its not game breakly op. People could still choose other prof without gimping there team. Balanced is actually quite good that any prof is viable.

If we look at EU meta still heaps of teams running guard+mesmer+thief.

Also I have notice most of the threads crying about op ele and engi are created by players that main thief. So thier view is generally very bias.

EU meta is far behind NA meta atm

Solori.6025:

Booms.2594:

Solori.6025:

xDudisx.5914:

-A medi guard doesnt have op ranged spike dmg.
-He has less hp than a mesmer
-He can’t remove boons like a mesmer
-When imune the guard is not doing dmg, but the mesmer is.

Really.

Let’s not forget a mesmer does max shatter damage at melee

A guardian has twice the healing that a mesmer has

More blocks

More ports to stay on the mesmer

AoE damage to basically nullify the entire mesmer’s main proffession mechanic
( which also nullifies the boon stripping..go figure)
constant burning

And is one of the few classes that can stack might and sustain by itself to 15-18 stacks.

Oh and has access to multiple AoE blinds, Which make mesmer phantasm generation( you know the illusions that actually deal damage) much much harder.

all the while hitting for zerk damage, with bunker sustain.

We all know how balanced guardian is

yeah ok its true mesmer is crap but half of that kitten is so wrong lol. guardian has like 3 stacks of might usually so idk what youre smoking bro,

I know that your not doing it right. That much is apparent.

You have a trait that gives might in an AoE to the party every crit on a 1 second cooldown.

A trait that gives your virtue of justice 3 stacks of might on use

Greatsword gives might at the end of its chain for 7 seconds.

Rune of strength gives might every time your hit and that happens often in combat.

Sigil of battle gives 3 stacks of might for 20 seconds on weapon swap

..please tell me again why you dont have at least 15 stacks of might?

Also LOL one-shot

When you can block, blind, and burn down clones.
If you get 1 shot by a mesmer as a guardian your a bad guardian.

But I guess that’s apparent for you since you think you can sustain at max 3 stacks of might.
LOL

guards dont run the might on crit trait
guards dont run sigil of battle
most guards dont run strength either now
gs autos are slow and take forever and usually wont be procced (especially vs mesmers)

and yea yea a mesmer wont actually land a shatter on a guard… but if he did it’d be a one shot.

i recommend you dont run mesmer because it’s not good atm

Solori.6025:

xDudisx.5914:

-A medi guard doesnt have op ranged spike dmg.
-He has less hp than a mesmer
-He can’t remove boons like a mesmer
-When imune the guard is not doing dmg, but the mesmer is.

Really.

Let’s not forget a mesmer does max shatter damage at melee

A guardian has twice the healing that a mesmer has

More blocks

More ports to stay on the mesmer

AoE damage to basically nullify the entire mesmer’s main proffession mechanic
( which also nullifies the boon stripping..go figure)
constant burning

And is one of the few classes that can stack might and sustain by itself to 15-18 stacks.

Oh and has access to multiple AoE blinds, Which make mesmer phantasm generation( you know the illusions that actually deal damage) much much harder.

all the while hitting for zerk damage, with bunker sustain.

We all know how balanced guardian is

yeah ok its true mesmer is crap but half of that kitten is so wrong lol. guardian has like 3 stacks of might usually so idk what youre smoking bro, and if you think medi has bunker sustain you should probably l2p mesmer too. guard can easily be 1 shotted by a mesmer (pretty much the only way to win as a mesmer v guard too)

guardian has less ranged weapons than warrior so youll probably be “upfront” even more on it. however if you dont think warrior is “relaxed” enough for you I’m sorry to say that you should probably try a turret engi.

Firebird.8324:

Hello, this is Over Powered Necro from In Memory of Vyndetta, what happened after the stream was crazy stressful.

Two individuals in our team, Java and Young Thadeus were DDOSed, not to be confused with the typical “dc”, as described by them, “People start cutting out on Team speak, everyone starts walking in place and I am disconnected from the game as well as all other internet services”.

Oddly enough, this only occurred when facing The Uncivilized Rough Boys and only when we were wining. If you do not believe me, you can get a glimpse at the games that were streamed, just after 90 sec into the first game Thadeus was ddosed for the duration of the game, after that game was over he was promptly able to return but it was already forfeit. The third game, when it was evident that we were going to win, both Java and Thadeus were heavily ddosed. These occurrences turned from “random coincidence” into a nightmare as it occurred over, and over, and over only when facing rough boys.

As to how this was able to take place, Crysis and I were completely unaffected, so, the IP of skovex, thadeus, and java, were most likely made available through skype or TS that they had accessed recently.

Why only a few of us were getting ddosed: Skovex’s power had gone out the day before and he was in a different residence so his IP was changed. The second time we were able to face Rough Boys (after climbing back through the loser’s bracket) we had thadeus connect to the internet at a friend’s house. The only problem was that Java was unable to change his IP or go to utilize the internet in a different location, this caused us to still be 4v5 and ultimately lose.

To YOU rough boys, it was plainly obvious that you were the cause of the DDOS, you lost my respect and the respect of many other players, YOU effectively destroyed the tournament for many of the people watching and disgraced Arenanet in the area of potential E-Sports.

The only solution I could see is to redo the entire tournament and give everyone ample time to play at their friends house or buy a new modem.

Don’t want to start BM, but considering a couple players on the team I would not at ALL be surprised if they did this.

uberkingkong.8041:

BLUna.7928:

Glory doesnt exist anymore, do you happen to mean reward track progress?

Just hearing that makes me sad.
I had 500+ match win reward chests, HALF million glory. Come back to game and POOF.. I should be rewarded/reimbursed with so many reward track track completions I’d be a rich player. Sadly its for not, and I’m a poor player, measly 43 gold.
I was playing the game smart, saving the reward chests for when I rank up to next tier to get more chances at more apparel, but who’d thought out of no where all stuff would go POOF, that was like a curve ball to me playing smart.
Instead of coming back to game wealthy, proudly showing off my wealth (spam 250 match win reward chests), proud of my half million glory I have (knowing I can get whatever I want from glory merchant) I get stripped to peasant and not welcomed for coming back.

Makes me wonder… Should I keep saving my 250+ laurels, or spend them in fear of the game stripping those away and me not being present to claim them before they get permanently removed, that is if they come to conclusion laurels are junk time to remove them.

there was like 4 months of time where they said they were going to be removed but kept them in game. youve been gone for over a year sooo

ArchonWing.9480:

Does anything counter these things with any class? It seems to be the most absurd thing I’ve seen in this game, and that’s sorta bad.

engis and necros and thieves

Wyrden.4713:

Booms.2594:

Wyrden.4713:

mesmer counters it actually.. and dd cele eles r easy matchup for mesmer in my opinion

most other proffessions got vigor on minor traits, ele has to use up a trait thingy for it (nvm didnt see u adressing that)

celestial amulet is unbalanced , i agree on that

wich water 3? u mean trait or blast finisher on dagger?

in high level play mesmer does not counter ele. in fact ele wins EVERY SINGLE 1V1 except for THE BEST engis WITH CRATE or the BEST necros SOMETIMES. comprendes? It’s op as kitten.

ele without might hits like a wet noodle, and mesmer is just spamming boon removals > ele has no real chance to stack might or regen a lot passively.

i am not saying its not op, just that the op is overreacting

he’s not overreacting. ele is so far better than every other class its not even funny.

Necrotize.2974:

Elitist.8701:

DD ele is quite possibly the most OP spec the game has seen yet again. The devs really need to understand that we cant go another 6 months until a nerf, we need nerfs now. DD ele is god tier 1v1, god tier 2v2, and A tier teamfighter. Its incredibly annoying to fight on any class, and works too well in every situation. I personally think we need a revert on water 3 change, a nerf to cele ammy, and a universal 10% decrease on signet of resto (universal meaning PvP and WvW). Also the trait that grants eles perma vigor is too OP, increase ICD to 7 seconds ao its still better than the minors that guard and mes have.

Why should a major trait be nerfed to be only slightly better than a minor one on another class? 2 Second difference to make up for taking up a trait slot in probably one of the more competitive branches of traits for ele. Not like engineers can’t get perma vigor either.

It is strong, I won’t deny that. But it is reliant on might to take people down so anything that stops might stacking or removes it sends them from a speeding train to sudden stop. You may not know, but before the changes to strength runes and the rise of celestial, ele in general was in a really terrible place and the nerfs you suggest would not just affect D/D celestial eles.

If you don’t play smart, you’re gonna lose to the active play associated with proper might stacking and on demand boons, and this is how it should be. Strip might or stay out of eles fire fields and you can pretty much make them decide to chase you and give up on might stacking or make them waste all their blast finishers getting might and not hitting you with any of them. I toyed around with ele for a while and I was shocked at how many people just don’t understand how to handle it. Like trying to condi-bomb me before I’ve even switched into water or trying to face tank things like firegrab because they think stability keeps them safe from my setups. Eles in general are destroyed by Chill. Even just a few seconds of chill applied after they leave water screws them over hardcore.

Long story short, DD celestial ele is strong, but it also isn’t completely passive play like a lot of other very effective builds, which is why it should be strong. If an ele wastes all their blast finishers and doesn’t even bother trying to hit you with them, then you should have no trouble killing them. But if you just try to bum rush them without even bothering to pay attention to what element they’re in, you probably deserve to lose when 33% of your burst disappears to on demand protection or all your conditions disappear when you bomb them before they use water.

I’m sorry that youre a subpar ele going against subpar players. but in the top of competitive d/d ele is beyond over the top.

Wyrden.4713:

mesmer counters it actually.. and dd cele eles r easy matchup for mesmer in my opinion

most other proffessions got vigor on minor traits, ele has to use up a trait thingy for it (nvm didnt see u adressing that)

celestial amulet is unbalanced , i agree on that

wich water 3? u mean trait or blast finisher on dagger?

in high level play mesmer does not counter ele. in fact ele wins EVERY SINGLE 1V1 except for THE BEST engis WITH CRATE or the BEST necros SOMETIMES. comprendes? It’s op as kitten.

Relentliss.2170:

When their health is low, this is where someone in your party needs to interrupt.

Problem with Ele atm is there is not a lot of counterplay. They seem to be the machine gun to everyone elses Rock, Paper, Scissors.

well said.

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.

unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.

I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.

“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.

tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have

Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.

but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele

Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.

what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?

So far my best setup I’ve had against d/d eles has been sword/f and scepter/t. Hammer is a bit iffy, since they generally have stab and some type of invulnerability. I’d still run it over GS though, In my view, GS is just too predictable in pvp.

Only problem with sword/f and scepter/t is that it’s not as useful in team fights. Since both weapons are primary high single target damage, and they really don’t bring any utilities beside an immobilize.

Mace/torch is another one that a lot of people don’t realize it’s one of our highest burst potential setups.

well tbh you use GS when you know youre going to land skills. the good thing about guardian is that the autos hit so hard you can just use them until the enemy burns a dodge or wastes a stunbreak for some reason and then you can easily BB him. either way I assume you run something like 0 6 6 1 1 ?

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.

unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.

I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.

“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.

tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have

Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.

but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele

Well I really wouldn’t use GS in this situation in the first place. It’s the most obvious and predictable weapon we have. Pretty much any competent player can read a GS user like a book.

what would you use then? hammer? sw/sc?

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.

unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.

I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.

“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.

tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have

Everyone messes up at some point and time, nobody is prefect.

but typically because theyre condi overloaded or suddenly cc’d and need to go into water or air early which they wouldnt have to worry about vs guards. seriously if you just do the normal air fire earth water rotation over and over and just dodge WW and use stab for BB you will almost guaranteed win as ele

Harbinger.8637:

Booms.2594:

Harbinger.8637:

Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.

unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.

I’ve beaten my fair share of “top tier” eles when they have been playing d/d (Not going throw out names because that’s egoistic and kitten stuff I don’t care for). It possible to beat them, like I said before it’s an extremely hard fight and pretty much an uphill battle. You have to be on your A game at all times, and it also helps if they make mistakes in their rotations. I’ve done it numerous times so I know it’s not impossible. Is it tough and hard? Yes, but not impossible.

“The impossible could not have happened, therefore the impossible must be possible in spite of appearances”.

tbh good eles dont mess up their rotations especially vs very predictable builds that guardians have. but its seriously funny because I count how many drakes breaths, burnign speeds, ring of fires, earth dodges, earthquakes an ele will land and the total is usually… 0 or 1 and Im still 100-0’d

Harbinger.8637:

Best chance to beat them is going full dps med build. Also Searing Flames, Sigil of Nullification, and Doom help immensely. They’re extremely hard to beat, but they are beatable.

unfortunately not. ive tried all of the above but beating a good ele just isnt possible.

Crapgame.6519:

Low yield nukes work – something along the likes of a B-61.

Seriously though. I wouldn’t say you won’t. Practice makes perfect. Has nothing to do with the other being awful.

i promise its impossible.

join sharks
we’re a bit laid back atm since cele meta and all though

its the only hard counter. sorry, I’ve never killed a good ele like phanta once.

most op build atm is definitely 2-1-6-1-4 s/f gs
heres my version of it
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fVAQNAsdRlsApaodDxcI8DVR8QlZK+i2UVAgz1/QQkDA-TZBFwAPOEA12fo9JAoaZAAPBAA

and i stream sometimes
http://www.twitch.tv/holymoobs

i suspect the next feature pack will release the lord assault maps

Lucentfir.7430:

Booms.2594:

Black Box.9312:

Booms.2594:

Chaotic.9742:

PvP wise you should only worry about AMAZING necros/engies or condi ranger if you are not aware on how to use condi cleanses appropriately/deal with their kiting. DPS guard is often called skilless due to how powerful a good one can be in 1v1’ing nearly everything.

they wont lose to necros lol

A good power necro is a very tough matchup for a meditation guardian, because proper use of fear and death shroud makes them very resilient to bursts of damage.

blocks and blinds make it very hard for a necro to land its hard hitting plague blasts and 4 differnt skills that can remove fear make it hard to rely on fear

Owning a power Vampire necro, warhorn 5 alone craps of SoW 3 hit blocks, blinds, include dagger AA and the only thing I have to worry about is shelter, other than that i can safely soft CC guardians with cripple, immobilizes and fear. Easily switching between DS for utility of a damage soak, and CC.

well if you can beat me on that necro ill give you 100g

i think what sizer said about why he loves this game “it’s actually balanced around high skill level rather than the average baddies unlike virtually every other mmo” should be considered

Swish.2463:

Sounds vaguely interesting, but why start a Gw2 Podcast so late into the game and after so many others have come and gone before hand?

Do you have a better plan and direction than others previous or will you fall into the trap of “lack of new things” to rejoice about, complain about, or make suggestions on?

blu is actually good at these kinds of things unlike the ones before

Apolo.5942:

Booms.2594:

ArchonWing.9480:

I don’t play/care about pvp

Guardians:

Great in PvE
Great in wvw >3 people, dominant and mandatory as numbers increase to the point where compositions demand at least 1 guardian per party in zergs
Mediocre at solo roaming wvw though not necessarily hopeless but nothing compares with a thief anyways.
In general the presence of guard stacks benefits guardian greatly due to their low base health.

The underdog IMO is the necromancer, and the class in the worst spot. It is the worst class in pve and while great in large scale wvw tends to be a poor roamer. (Good duelist, but much like the guardian has little in the way of disengage and pursuit)

Note that I judge in relative terms. You can definitely roam on any class but some are just easier than others to get results.

but then it also wins every 1v1 and 2v2 in the game for pvp

If your opponent is are complete kittens, sure why not, thou the same can be said for every other class in the game…

im talking about top (top top top) tier pvp

Black Box.9312:

Booms.2594:

Chaotic.9742:

PvP wise you should only worry about AMAZING necros/engies or condi ranger if you are not aware on how to use condi cleanses appropriately/deal with their kiting. DPS guard is often called skilless due to how powerful a good one can be in 1v1’ing nearly everything.

they wont lose to necros lol

A good power necro is a very tough matchup for a meditation guardian, because proper use of fear and death shroud makes them very resilient to bursts of damage.

blocks and blinds make it very hard for a necro to land its hard hitting plague blasts and 4 differnt skills that can remove fear make it hard to rely on fear

Chaotic.9742:

Booms.2594:

Chaotic.9742:

PvP wise you should only worry about AMAZING necros/engies or condi ranger if you are not aware on how to use condi cleanses appropriately/deal with their kiting. DPS guard is often called skilless due to how powerful a good one can be in 1v1’ing nearly everything.

they wont lose to necros lol

hence the AMAZING in bold for emphasis on them being AMAZING

no you shouldnt lose to noscoc or firebird or anybody.

Chaotic.9742:

PvP wise you should only worry about AMAZING necros/engies or condi ranger if you are not aware on how to use condi cleanses appropriately/deal with their kiting. DPS guard is often called skilless due to how powerful a good one can be in 1v1’ing nearly everything.

they wont lose to necros lol

ArchonWing.9480:

I don’t play/care about pvp

Guardians:

Great in PvE
Great in wvw >3 people, dominant and mandatory as numbers increase to the point where compositions demand at least 1 guardian per party in zergs
Mediocre at solo roaming wvw though not necessarily hopeless but nothing compares with a thief anyways.
In general the presence of guard stacks benefits guardian greatly due to their low base health.

The underdog IMO is the necromancer, and the class in the worst spot. It is the worst class in pve and while great in large scale wvw tends to be a poor roamer. (Good duelist, but much like the guardian has little in the way of disengage and pursuit)

Note that I judge in relative terms. You can definitely roam on any class but some are just easier than others to get results.

but then it also wins every 1v1 and 2v2 in the game for pvp

what I did was whispered some nicer high tier players about cool tips about the class i play and what good rotations/practices in team fights are. I’d do that if I were you and its how my team (sharks) went from a scrub team worse than gasm to at least a recognized team (finals in tog)

chaiths argument: I’m easier to focus than eles!
ok…
and who’s easier to focus?
necros..
thieves…
mesmers…
medi guard (maybe even bunker guard depending on cd situation)
oh woe is engis that theyre the worst of the 4 viable classes now ;( qq

Relentliss.2170:

Booms.2594:

Relentliss.2170:

Booms.2594:

Relentliss.2170:

adozu.6398:

50/50 meaning power or condi i guess? necro run exactly 2 builds in pvp.

Depends on what build you are running and what build they are running. Eg terrormancer is very effective at shutting down med guardian as he has no stability.

completely wrong, medi guard is one of the very very few specs that can beat a terrormancer 1v1

Fear Fear Fear …more fear if your still alive… your dead… yeah great counter. Unless the guy is really bad I don’t see it happening. And yeah I’ve killed a few terrormancers but they were not great players. And if I was running shout build vs them it would be a big stalemate as they have about 40-50k health to burn through.

Saiyan.1704:

I run a hybrid build, x/x/6/x/x
I’ve switched from Carrion to Berserker to Knight’s how ever I please with little to no issues. Guardians ARE one of the most balanced class in the game. Maybe not better in terms of one build owning all, like the war or engi, but we definitely have more build diversities.

Be interested in your observations. Was trying out some different gear set ups over the weekend and I really find the damage weak with everything except Beserker. I had some luck with Knights but only vs squishy targets.

try a regular 2 1 6 1 4 medi build and if youre still losing to ANY terror mancers then you suck.

Meh I think you are killing bad players and calling that good. I kill a lot of bad/average Necros but don’t consider that a big deal. A good Terrormancer will kite you like crazy and wear you down. The fight will be very prolonged. When you hit the phase where your abilities are on CD you will be in trouble. Usually, the fight is determined by whoever has buddies that rotate around faster.

I duel noscoc.

Muchacho.2390:

Stand The Wall.6987:

sure necro CAN BE mobile with wurm and swalk, but that combo isnt widely used cuz it sacrifices so much.

Not widely used?

I would say those two plus corrupt boon are the most taken utilites in Spvp in higher levels.

no you pretty much don’t know what youre talking about lmao

necros have spectral walk and flesh wurm which is already infinitely more disengage than guardian

dudis Im going to have to take the infraction that I really dont need and tell you that you have no idea what you’re talking about and should probably try playing in NA on mesmer if you think its so viable.