Guild Wars 2

Svenghali.4716:

Where do you guys come up with this stuff??

WvW is much different than PvP for starters. I have a 50% win rate on my Offensive Guardian in PvP – we just dont have the base skills as someone pointed out. A guardian in PvP is most likely a bunker for point control.

I have a 80% win rate against all classes in WvW and I run an offensive power build (Not Medi). That is against Gold, Silver and Bronze level players so I am not fighting scrubs all the time.

Guard is the challenging class in the game because it will test your patience with being a support person or test your will with being a damage class.

its true guards are stronger in wvw due to having the same amount of defense but much higher offensive stats, but you should still win the vast majority of 1v1 (everything but ele and some engis) as a guardian in spvp..

CM would be destroyed by NA pugs anyway the players are far less skilled

100b does 2-3x more dmg

if only i couldve targeted svanir for amon ;_;

Relentliss.2170:

Booms.2594:

Relentliss.2170:

adozu.6398:

50/50 meaning power or condi i guess? necro run exactly 2 builds in pvp.

Depends on what build you are running and what build they are running. Eg terrormancer is very effective at shutting down med guardian as he has no stability.

completely wrong, medi guard is one of the very very few specs that can beat a terrormancer 1v1

Fear Fear Fear …more fear if your still alive… your dead… yeah great counter. Unless the guy is really bad I don’t see it happening. And yeah I’ve killed a few terrormancers but they were not great players. And if I was running shout build vs them it would be a big stalemate as they have about 40-50k health to burn through.

Saiyan.1704:

I run a hybrid build, x/x/6/x/x
I’ve switched from Carrion to Berserker to Knight’s how ever I please with little to no issues. Guardians ARE one of the most balanced class in the game. Maybe not better in terms of one build owning all, like the war or engi, but we definitely have more build diversities.

Be interested in your observations. Was trying out some different gear set ups over the weekend and I really find the damage weak with everything except Beserker. I had some luck with Knights but only vs squishy targets.

try a regular 2 1 6 1 4 medi build and if youre still losing to ANY terror mancers then you suck.

xDudisx.5914:

Distaste.4801:

wasted.6817:

xDudisx.5914:

Long fights with combo field, finishers, group support and class sinergy are much for fun than watch enemys that drop in less than 10s to a thief or shatter mesmer.

Imo, it’s more like opposite. Long fights = stale match. It just drags on and on, no big plays, no big moves, nothing changes. Plus it’s in general more primitive and easier to execute tactic, to bunker up here and there and get your long, stale fights, doesn’t require that much coordination as (i.e.) mesmer and thief do.

Long fights require more skilled play for longer periods of time, you have to constantly be making good decisions for the duration or you’re going to lose. It also gives a lot of time for counterplay, a concept that GW2 has forgotten. That makes fights fun for a lot of people. I think we can both agree that SPvP is by no means a success, the question is why? I think it’s purely because the style of combat is simply not appealing. Unless you bunker up, run cheese, or are super skilled, you die in seconds; it isn’t fun. While I will say it does take certain skills to play GW2 at high level, it’s definitely heavily based on fast reaction time. The problem is that fast reaction based combat cuts out a big portion of players and makes seeing “the big moves” very hard.

I agree 100% with you. The game should walk towards longer fights and make people think more in combos and when to use the skills. Not just whoever clicks faster win, because most classes have 1 or 2 tricks and 90% of the playerbase runs the same builds. If we had +build variety would be hard to predict what is coming from the enemy player. The way it is now we already know their entire build and traits just by looking at the class and weapon. Hambow war, shater mesmer, pasive fear necros, cleric shout guard, celestial ele, celestial 2kit engi,etc.. you look at them and already know everything they can do and how your class should react. The fight is decided by who clicks faster not how creative people are using combos and chainig skills. In other mmos they avoid this by not making the skills bound to the weapons. So you dont know what is coming from the enemy.

how does knowing what the enemy can do result in the winner being whoever “clicks faster”? that makes like no sense at all.

Mikau.6920:

Yeah. I don’t know why they did it. Right now the Guardian Shield is the weakest weapon in the game, in my opnion.

Relentliss.2170:

adozu.6398:

50/50 meaning power or condi i guess? necro run exactly 2 builds in pvp.

Depends on what build you are running and what build they are running. Eg terrormancer is very effective at shutting down med guardian as he has no stability.

completely wrong, medi guard is one of the very very few specs that can beat a terrormancer 1v1

Julie Yann.5379:

Zenos Osgorma.2936:

key binding is the term your looking for not macros.

No, macros is the term. Complex combos requiring specific timing programed into 1 key. It’s more common than you think and virtually undetectable.

I know several eles who do the “1 shot” combo on scepter and I guarantee you they aren’t using macros. (the combo that does like 10+ skills in <.5 seconds)

i agree guardian needs less reliance on long cd’s in order to be viable in competitive pvp. when I play my engi its ridiculous how I can kite around LoSing 2/3 players for 5 minutes, all but one leave, I come back and beat him 1v1 because I have no cd’s and can heal to full in 20s. On guardian that would never even be close to possible because 1) I’d die while outnumbered within 10s due to no disengage; 2) I’d lose the 1v1 afterwards because I’d have no cds

the above is not really right in all cases.
guard vs:
ele – you should never win
thief – you should almost always win
war – you should win mostly
necro – you should almost always win
engi – if he’s equally skilled or better you will lose, otherwise should win
ranger – vs condi u lose, vs power u win

gorn kinda quit pvp for a while though Ive seen him on a bit more now t

I’m jealous i still don’t have my sig

inb4 thrackit cuz his new team failed

warr is actually optional i would say
eleX2 engi +2

I think ele is better than engi in terms of 1v1 potential. and lots not forget medi guard beats necro!

Ele S (Wins all 1v1, good support, good team fight)
Engi A (Good 1v1s, decent team fight, kinda squishy but takes out guardians)
Warrior B (Good cc, not very good 1v1 anymore)
Guard C (Can’t 1v1 at all, focused too quickly in team fights, pretty useless)
Mesmer B- (Good utility, bad 1v1, focused much too easily)
Necro A+ (Wins ALL 1v1, wins ALL 2v2, good utility, replaces mesmer, not focused easily)
Thief B+ (Great mobility, good 1v1, good spike, but not on par with other top classes)
Ranger B (new condi ranger build is interesting, wins a lot of 1v1 but thats it)

just waiting for the youtube video of sharks vs turb

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

i main guardian but now engi what does that have to do with anything

Engis are ridiculously OP.
1- Can stack 25 might perma (one of only two classes that can do this)
2- Passive perma burning through ONE master trait is OP AS fk!
3- Tool kit shield block ON TWENTY SECOND CD Wth?!
4- Grenades can apply SIX CONDITIONS AT ONCE! How is that not OPP??
5- Elixirs make you invis so you can leave WHENEVER YOU WANT without fear of dyin
6- Second to guardian in terms of support!!! AoE might, aoe healing, AoE stealth, AoE regen, AoE CC! AoE Everything!
7- Rocket boots TO ESCAPE ANYTHING!!
8- WEAKNESS+BLEED ON AUTO??! REALLY?
9- Perma weakness OP OP OP! Conditions for days!
10- SUPPLY crate one hit win button!
11- most CC in gameee! masters of stun lock 4-6 CC skills IN EVERY BUILD! Blowback rifle(CLEANSES crip/chill/imob (wut)), pull magnet, ram gadget, blowback AND stun on SHIELD FOR TWO BUTTONS + REFLCT wth?!
12- Turret Heals for 7k every 20s and clears two condis (wut? lol!) (15s cd if you pick up) and Perma regen!
13- Extremely tanky in team fights, don’t even bother, would rather try to go for a necro/guardian first. That’s saying a LOTT
14- You can actually burst! 8-10k blowback+rifle jump/blunderbuss! LOL
15- Perma vigor! Hey, why not engi? a lot dont have this.
16- you can actually not die on point, many engs are god mode, dont try.
17- has STEALTH for stomps and ELIXIR S for stomps! OP
18- AoE poison for 30+ seconds with grenades.. rly.. op.
19- AoE chill for 15+ seconds too^ How is not op?
20-wins every 1v1, period.

1. no they dont
2. yes this is very op compared to kitten cd weapon skill
3. this is actually op
4. 4* using 2 master traits and a sigil not an earth dodge roll
5. has a cast time and can be destroyed by projectile destruction (ring of earth lel)
6. no aoe might. 2k healing on 20s cd. indeed it has stealth. no aoe regen. no aoe cc. indeed it has nades.
7. obviously not going to be running this based on what youre saying
8. obviously not going to be running this based on what youre saying
9. obviously not going to be running this based on what youre saying
10. 3min cd.
11. i listed cc’s with 1 weapon set, you listed cc’s with different weapon sets and 3 different utility skills. in reality, engis have 2 ccs. (maybe 3 with shield)
12. 6k* 1/2 uptime on regen*. Yeah 8 cleanse per minute is sooooo great compared to 25 cleanse per minute that eles have.
13. one of the squishiest targets to focus actually. sure harder than zerker but is squishier than all other cele/rabids
14. this is true. its too bad you dont even know the real combos clearly youre clueless.
15. 60% uptime actually
16. look at 13
17. true
18. also on a 30s cd
19. this is true
20. not even close to true

so lets see where you weren’t right at all:
1,4,6,7,8,9,11,12,13,15,16,20

lets see where you were right but were exaggerating stupidly
2,10,14

so in the end you were right that:
passive burns
supply crate is auto win 1v1
chill nades hit hard
poison nades last long
S lets you stomp

clearly these 5 things makes engis beyond overpowered

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’d start to nerf drake’s breath, too much burning for 5 sec cd skill.

The entire fire attunement has a lot of burning but #2 is the main problem.

4 stacks of 3s burning is ridiculous, 4 stacks of 1s would be more balanced.

Not really.. It’s fine. you’re telling me you can’t cleanse one condition?

12s of burning every 5s from only 1 skill is fine?

Are you joking?

Might stacking only amplifies the problem, burning is always the first damage in the list when you fight an Ele D/d because there is simple too much burning in his rotation.

It’s the main reason because Ele D/D celestial is op on node.

Stop pretending like what you what you’re saying actually makes sense.

It takes anywhere from the MINIMUM of 10s to 18s or so for me to switch back into fire attunement after I’m done with it.

Yes, the skill has a 5 second cool-down.
No, it is not used like you think it is.

Drakes breath does not get used every 5 seconds, but rather every 15 seconds or so.

Stop thinking of attunements like they’re engineer kits. That’s ridiculous.

Not to mention the ele only gets 12s of burning on you if he hits with ALL FOUR HITS.

its every 10s lets be real. eles just have too much of everything tbh theyre ridiculously op.

It’s every ~15~ seconds. Let’s be real.

Can you actually give us a reason why you think they’re “ridiculously op” besides just stating it?

A reason? Let’s see how many reasons I didn’t forget:
1. 25 stacks of might solo, even post strength runes nerf (1 of only 2 classes that can do this)
2. Wins every single 1v1 except S/d thief and condi necro
3. 2nd to only Guardian in terms of team support. Reasons: Tons of cleanses, tons of heals, tons of protection uptime, tons of might
4. Very high mobility on both staff and d/d. Can keep up with a thief and prevent decaps if it has most of its movement cds.
5. Strong in all 2v2’s (seriously put it with any class and it will do well)
6. Stands on point (in fact it will force you off point with staff and sometimes with d/d)
7. Hard as hell to focus down in team fights. Literally attacking the bunker guardian first is preferable.
8. 650 BURN TIX
9. Water glyph elite: knocks down enemies, heals for 8k and is on a 15s cd lolwut?
10. Has AoE and Mist for stomps
11. Downed state vapor form can go through portals (icing on the cake) and remove all conditions (INCLUDING POISON!) and is the only class you most likely cannot stomp on first attempt!
12. Good ccs. d/d has updraft (knocks downed bodies, who needs overcharged banish when you have an AOE BLOWBACK!), earthquake (aoe with blast finisher), immobilize on magnetic grasp, cripple on earth dodges, chills on water 3. shocking aura. mind you this is just d/d Im not even gonna get started on staff.
13. dodge rolls op. cleansing conditions and healing on water dodge, 5s of burn (3k dmg) on fire dodge, blind on air dodge (if you dont do this youre bad at ele), and cripple/bleeds on earth dodge (that bleed ticks 90 for 15s btw)
14. You can actually burst!!! Burning speed + firegrab = 7-9k dmg LOL!
15. Perma vigor. Not many classes have this but hey if any class is gonna have it why not ele?
16. More cleanses than 5x bunker guards put together. Sure most of them are solo, but cleansing water having no icd again is OP AS FK!
thats all ive got. let me know if u guys think theres something i missed.

Stop lying.

“2nd to only guardian in terms of support” Then you go on to say “more cleanses than 5x bunker guards put together”

Lol. What’s the class you main again?

ok clearly there was some sarcasm in that part I dont know why you called out that.. probably because everything I said was completely true wasnt it

No, what class do you main?

i main guardian but now engi what does that have to do with anything

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’d start to nerf drake’s breath, too much burning for 5 sec cd skill.

The entire fire attunement has a lot of burning but #2 is the main problem.

4 stacks of 3s burning is ridiculous, 4 stacks of 1s would be more balanced.

Not really.. It’s fine. you’re telling me you can’t cleanse one condition?

12s of burning every 5s from only 1 skill is fine?

Are you joking?

Might stacking only amplifies the problem, burning is always the first damage in the list when you fight an Ele D/d because there is simple too much burning in his rotation.

It’s the main reason because Ele D/D celestial is op on node.

Stop pretending like what you what you’re saying actually makes sense.

It takes anywhere from the MINIMUM of 10s to 18s or so for me to switch back into fire attunement after I’m done with it.

Yes, the skill has a 5 second cool-down.
No, it is not used like you think it is.

Drakes breath does not get used every 5 seconds, but rather every 15 seconds or so.

Stop thinking of attunements like they’re engineer kits. That’s ridiculous.

Not to mention the ele only gets 12s of burning on you if he hits with ALL FOUR HITS.

its every 10s lets be real. eles just have too much of everything tbh theyre ridiculously op.

It’s every ~15~ seconds. Let’s be real.

Can you actually give us a reason why you think they’re “ridiculously op” besides just stating it?

A reason? Let’s see how many reasons I didn’t forget:
1. 25 stacks of might solo, even post strength runes nerf (1 of only 2 classes that can do this)
2. Wins every single 1v1 except S/d thief and condi necro
3. 2nd to only Guardian in terms of team support. Reasons: Tons of cleanses, tons of heals, tons of protection uptime, tons of might
4. Very high mobility on both staff and d/d. Can keep up with a thief and prevent decaps if it has most of its movement cds.
5. Strong in all 2v2’s (seriously put it with any class and it will do well)
6. Stands on point (in fact it will force you off point with staff and sometimes with d/d)
7. Hard as hell to focus down in team fights. Literally attacking the bunker guardian first is preferable.
8. 650 BURN TIX
9. Water glyph elite: knocks down enemies, heals for 8k and is on a 15s cd lolwut?
10. Has AoE and Mist for stomps
11. Downed state vapor form can go through portals (icing on the cake) and remove all conditions (INCLUDING POISON!) and is the only class you most likely cannot stomp on first attempt!
12. Good ccs. d/d has updraft (knocks downed bodies, who needs overcharged banish when you have an AOE BLOWBACK!), earthquake (aoe with blast finisher), immobilize on magnetic grasp, cripple on earth dodges, chills on water 3. shocking aura. mind you this is just d/d Im not even gonna get started on staff.
13. dodge rolls op. cleansing conditions and healing on water dodge, 5s of burn (3k dmg) on fire dodge, blind on air dodge (if you dont do this youre bad at ele), and cripple/bleeds on earth dodge (that bleed ticks 90 for 15s btw)
14. You can actually burst!!! Burning speed + firegrab = 7-9k dmg LOL!
15. Perma vigor. Not many classes have this but hey if any class is gonna have it why not ele?
16. More cleanses than 5x bunker guards put together. Sure most of them are solo, but cleansing water having no icd again is OP AS FK!
thats all ive got. let me know if u guys think theres something i missed.

Stop lying.

“2nd to only guardian in terms of support” Then you go on to say “more cleanses than 5x bunker guards put together”

Lol. What’s the class you main again?

ok clearly there was some sarcasm in that part I dont know why you called out that.. probably because everything I said was completely true wasnt it

The Game Slayer.7632:

Booms.2594:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’d start to nerf drake’s breath, too much burning for 5 sec cd skill.

The entire fire attunement has a lot of burning but #2 is the main problem.

4 stacks of 3s burning is ridiculous, 4 stacks of 1s would be more balanced.

Not really.. It’s fine. you’re telling me you can’t cleanse one condition?

12s of burning every 5s from only 1 skill is fine?

Are you joking?

Might stacking only amplifies the problem, burning is always the first damage in the list when you fight an Ele D/d because there is simple too much burning in his rotation.

It’s the main reason because Ele D/D celestial is op on node.

Stop pretending like what you what you’re saying actually makes sense.

It takes anywhere from the MINIMUM of 10s to 18s or so for me to switch back into fire attunement after I’m done with it.

Yes, the skill has a 5 second cool-down.
No, it is not used like you think it is.

Drakes breath does not get used every 5 seconds, but rather every 15 seconds or so.

Stop thinking of attunements like they’re engineer kits. That’s ridiculous.

Not to mention the ele only gets 12s of burning on you if he hits with ALL FOUR HITS.

its every 10s lets be real. eles just have too much of everything tbh theyre ridiculously op.

It’s every ~15~ seconds. Let’s be real.

Can you actually give us a reason why you think they’re “ridiculously op” besides just stating it?

A reason? Let’s see how many reasons I didn’t forget:
1. 25 stacks of might solo, even post strength runes nerf (1 of only 2 classes that can do this)
2. Wins every single 1v1 except S/d thief and condi necro
3. 2nd to only Guardian in terms of team support. Reasons: Tons of cleanses, tons of heals, tons of protection uptime, tons of might
4. Very high mobility on both staff and d/d. Can keep up with a thief and prevent decaps if it has most of its movement cds.
5. Strong in all 2v2’s (seriously put it with any class and it will do well)
6. Stands on point (in fact it will force you off point with staff and sometimes with d/d)
7. Hard as hell to focus down in team fights. Literally attacking the bunker guardian first is preferable.
8. 650 BURN TIX
9. Water glyph elite: knocks down enemies, heals for 8k and is on a 15s cd lolwut?
10. Has AoE and Mist for stomps
11. Downed state vapor form can go through portals (icing on the cake) and remove all conditions (INCLUDING POISON!) and is the only class you most likely cannot stomp on first attempt!
12. Good ccs. d/d has updraft (knocks downed bodies, who needs overcharged banish when you have an AOE BLOWBACK!), earthquake (aoe with blast finisher), immobilize on magnetic grasp, cripple on earth dodges, chills on water 3. shocking aura. mind you this is just d/d Im not even gonna get started on staff.
13. dodge rolls op. cleansing conditions and healing on water dodge, 5s of burn (3k dmg) on fire dodge, blind on air dodge (if you dont do this youre bad at ele), and cripple/bleeds on earth dodge (that bleed ticks 90 for 15s btw)
14. You can actually burst!!! Burning speed + firegrab = 7-9k dmg LOL!
15. Perma vigor. Not many classes have this but hey if any class is gonna have it why not ele?
16. More cleanses than 5x bunker guards put together. Sure most of them are solo, but cleansing water having no icd again is OP AS FK!
thats all ive got. let me know if u guys think theres something i missed.

Erwin.5603:

Elxdark.9702:

Erwin.5603:

NA always 1-2 patches behind eu, nothing to add to that, I doubt they can beat tcg at WTS and I think thats the opinion of most eu/na top players.

That’s like your own opinion because if you ask to every top team in na they’ll say abjured will win.

And the “meta” each region has its own and now we’ll see which one is better

Yeah thats the thing, I think if I ask every eu team they will say TCG will win and if I ask every NA Team only half will say Abjured will win. Obviously its impossible to say for sure, since the region barrier didn’t let those 2 teams meet, but in the past I had the feeling that many top NA players felt that EU is stronger, while almost no EU players felt that way about NA, maybe its different now with Abjured being at the top (since they dominated the other NA Teams so hard, it might have cause others to think they are better than TCG).

actually nearly no top NA players think TCG will win. furthermore, the vast majority of top NA players think it will be a rofl stomp (we’re talking 500-200 3x in a row)

Sizer.2654:

I accept any bets vs any team in the WTS, up to maximum 3186gold. If your interested in betting against TCG and losing your money, please contact me ! We would have to organize a middle man that we trust such as jebro or blu and give them small cut from the earnings ofc.

500 gold abjured wins vs TCG IF thats the WTS matchup. id like to be one of the first who can get in on this awesome opportunity.

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

The Game Slayer.7632:

MarkPhilips.5169:

I’d start to nerf drake’s breath, too much burning for 5 sec cd skill.

The entire fire attunement has a lot of burning but #2 is the main problem.

4 stacks of 3s burning is ridiculous, 4 stacks of 1s would be more balanced.

Not really.. It’s fine. you’re telling me you can’t cleanse one condition?

12s of burning every 5s from only 1 skill is fine?

Are you joking?

Might stacking only amplifies the problem, burning is always the first damage in the list when you fight an Ele D/d because there is simple too much burning in his rotation.

It’s the main reason because Ele D/D celestial is op on node.

Stop pretending like what you what you’re saying actually makes sense.

It takes anywhere from the MINIMUM of 10s to 18s or so for me to switch back into fire attunement after I’m done with it.

Yes, the skill has a 5 second cool-down.
No, it is not used like you think it is.

Drakes breath does not get used every 5 seconds, but rather every 15 seconds or so.

Stop thinking of attunements like they’re engineer kits. That’s ridiculous.

Not to mention the ele only gets 12s of burning on you if he hits with ALL FOUR HITS.

its every 10s lets be real. eles just have too much of everything tbh theyre ridiculously op.

what backpack said about OE and nos killing guardians is completely true. the way the focus me down on bunker guardian is something no mesmer/thief will never even come CLOSE to achieving.

my old guide
FYI if you want to play top tier pvp guardian isnt meta anymore (for NA at least)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Moobs-Standard-AH-Bunk-Guard-Guide

Quincy.2198:

Booms.2594:

Elitist.8701:

I have no idea who this Nova Stiker guy is, but it is rather sad how bad “pro” eles are. Thaddeus, Skovex, Phantaram, they all seem to basically be at the same level of elementalist as someone who has played it for a month. Now, I don’t generally see better eles because the class is so easy to play and offers no incentive to get better, but hey, that’s what this game is about now. #celewars2 for the next 6 months until feature patch 3.

So after reading this thread, this Nova Stiker guy seems like a troll/guy that thinks he’s good but is average. How are you supposed to beat any type of engi/insert condi class here without cleansing water? You could argue Tpvp isn’t about 1v1s but then what if you get focused in a team fight, which will happen vs a good team once they find out you’re running a yolo triple arcane build. Other than signet, what are you going to run? Ether? Lol what a joke. It’ll get you killed for sure. Glyph is probably 2nd worst heal in the game.

Lol just looked at this guys post history and apparently he runs arcane abatement. Lololololoololol.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef the best thief the game has ever seen.

Im disappointed in you Teef. The difference between eles like Phanta and Skovex are very obvious.. Phanta is miles ahead any other ele (most don’t wish to improve to his level)

Please get your facts right. I’ll tell you, Iisey will kill every ele in this game. Only Phantaram might be possible to beat him. It’s sad that Iisey isn’t playing so much anymore because of injuries.. 1v1ed him after he had 3 months break, still godmode.

is he NA? Id like him to duel thrackit

Elitist.8701:

I have no idea who this Nova Stiker guy is, but it is rather sad how bad “pro” eles are. Thaddeus, Skovex, Phantaram, they all seem to basically be at the same level of elementalist as someone who has played it for a month. Now, I don’t generally see better eles because the class is so easy to play and offers no incentive to get better, but hey, that’s what this game is about now. #celewars2 for the next 6 months until feature patch 3.

So after reading this thread, this Nova Stiker guy seems like a troll/guy that thinks he’s good but is average. How are you supposed to beat any type of engi/insert condi class here without cleansing water? You could argue Tpvp isn’t about 1v1s but then what if you get focused in a team fight, which will happen vs a good team once they find out you’re running a yolo triple arcane build. Other than signet, what are you going to run? Ether? Lol what a joke. It’ll get you killed for sure. Glyph is probably 2nd worst heal in the game.

Lol just looked at this guys post history and apparently he runs arcane abatement. Lololololoololol.

-Teef Teef Teef Teef the best thief the game has ever seen.

Im disappointed in you Teef. The difference between eles like Phanta and Skovex are very obvious.. Phanta is miles ahead any other ele (most don’t wish to improve to his level)

Yeah as Elxdark said Abjured is on a completely different level than any other team atm, and that includes TCG. Tbh TCG is the the best at guard/thief/mesmer comp, but that comp is just too weak compared to stacking eles and engis and using a necro to dominate every 1v1. They even managed to get a thief in there for high mobility. Like I dont know how to beat these guys lol.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/b/577080418

haha what?

Ezeriel.9574:

TexZero.7910:

Might be because, you know…. If you were using the rifle for bleeds you probably need to re-roll anyway as that is not its primary or intended function.

….the rifle was one of the best condition weapons in the game, the build was amazing. It worked, and how can you claim otherwise?

cuz no one ever ran it lel

agreed

in pvp theyre a strong 1v1 spec and really good in teamfights for overall cleave dmg and cc’s. honeslty one of the top 3 professions to pick in spvp atm.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

Option 4 – Play with Acandis. Kill self as he inevitably throws every game.

olrun said it not me

seems like its a 2/1/4/6/1 build using force of will for more vitality and lower cd on 2 handed weapons. probably using retributive armor and glacial heart for valor as well.

no counterplay except just interupting the finisher lol?

dd e/e is pretty op.
to prove it ill have you guys duel my teams ele on any class and any spec you want and if you win ill give you 20g

Carpboy.7145:

26606 d/p thief, 66404 condi necro, 44606 hambow, 02666 d/d ele with diamond skin, 60464 cele engi, 20666 condi/BM/regen tank ranger, 44606 mesmer, 02666 unkilkable bunker guard. Im giving myself cancer

i was thinking more like 6 6 6 1 1 medi guard with ultimate condi ticks and dmg!

why dont you join the most rageful team <3

Eurantien.4632:

I would say the overall list was quite accurate as of 8/26.

I would actually have said
8/26:
1. Abjured
2. Apex
3. Rough Boyz
4. Good Fights
5. Cognitive Gaming
6. 69 FPS
7. Radioactive
8. Hashtag Believe
9. Sharks with Lazers
10. Blacklisted
11. Evil Villains.

Currently as of 10/7 I would say:
1. Abjured.
2. Rough Boyz.
3. Blacklisted.
4. Apex.
5. Good Fights.
6. Cognitive.
etc.

why do you think youve imrpoved so much, what changed

pros: definitely a very devoted person. comes up with strategies on his own and knows what he should be doing. always looking to improve. good with kiting in team fights (honestly isnt downed very much for a mesmer). looks for little things that can improve mesmer even though its not meta.
cons: loves to argue… his damage is really subpar imo, a lot of the time we couldn’t feel his presence. his portals aren’t as good as they could be. not strong in 1v1’s (dont expect him to consistently beat a cele engi or ele)

overall he’s probably top 10 mesmer in NA at least…

Guard.6751:

NA ToG Finals Top 8
1. Abjured
2. Apex
3. Rough Boyz
4. Cognitive Gaming
5. Hashtag Believe
6. Blacklisted
7. Sharks with Lazers
8. Evil Villians

Overall NA Top 10
1. Abjured
2. Apex
3. Rough Boyz
4. Good Fights
5. Cognitive Gaming
6. Radioactive
7. Hashtag Believe
8. Blacklisted
9. Sharks with Lazers
10. Evil Villians

well at the least we’re better than blacklisted and i think even better tbh

Chaith.8256:

Arachnid.4062:

I like how none of the engineers replying to this thread do anything to contradict what i said about the broken/stupid mechanics in my OP. Thanks for proving my point guys.

Their arguments can be summed up in basically 2 sentences: " Oh but condi necros can beat us!!! So we must not be overpowered and Incendiary powder must be a good mechanic!!!"

That’s because it’s a dead horse. And unhelpful. Yep, A.I, super insta procs, and hard to avoid mechanics are very capitalized on, in PvP. Too bad none of those categories are Engineer specific. That’s why it’s irrelevant to this thread. Everyone uses instant damage procs and attacks that are not able to be reactively avoided. Necro, Mesmer, Thief, Engineer, Warrior, Ranger, Ele.. and.. RIP Guardian.

yup if u cant avoid:
mirror blade
earthshaker
burning speed
whirling wrath

then ur probably pretty trash

Chaith.8256:

Cynz.9437:

except when you had 6 engis every match you kind of get fed up with them

also chaith, saying that you need 2 classes/players to beat 1 engi just says a lot about how broken engi is

they need to nerf IP, idc how
turrets need to be affected by condi and crit dmg
all AI, not just turrets should be affected by master stats, if you build full tank your AI may be tank but does 0 dmg
celestial/might stacking needs to go from pvp

Majorly twisting my words. Engineers are the best target in team fights, at top end. Better then anything. Besides.. Eura’s power ranger….? This is because they’re quite rush-able and very susceptible immobilize and CC. Just to spell this out, with no way to pop conditions off, or very good stunbreaks, and no teleports, that makes a candidate for focus.

hahaha 3s block on 20s (16s traited) cd and kitten stealth and a 3s invuln and a 8k+ heal on a 20s cd and tons of spam damage while running away.
yeah totallyyyyy easiest target. tbh after playing medi guard and bunker guard for forever in q’s and then rolling engi for a few, I was SO surprised how EASY it was to stay alive just by using blocks off cd and kiting like a motherkittener with perma swiftness.

weapon sets?

amonatory wins vs every medi guard /thread

Zaix.2480:

So what’s the hardcounter to dps guard?

dd ele, condi ranger, condi engi (cele engi too really), well played s/d acro

Ynna.8769:

A pretty basic Altruistic Healing build. I guess the major chance to the standard is that I prefer the Shield. It doesn’t do a lot of damage but can take quite a beating and helps your allies kill someone. I mostly do point-defense on my own, so this is perfect.

only point in running the offhand on a bunker is for the free stomp w/ focus. you might as well run hammer for more direct CC and damage if you want to “help allies kill someone”

3 engis on one team wow