Guild Wars 2

millions of things they can do to make guardian viable in this meta but the couple times ive talked to grouch he wasnt even aware of most of our bugs and biggest issues so gg.

Actually I beat him when he went Acro cuz he wastes steals like a kitten and lost to SA after a 7 minute duel when I finally ran out of cds

gl with tpvp if youre going to all run SA thief PU mesmers and D/F eles who stack 4 stacks of might lol

chungiee.8764:

Many thanks for the responses!

Is there a reason why losers follow the regular ladder points rules instead of taking the point difference (as Chaith suggested)?

For example, I’d be rather disappointed if I suffer rating loss despite losing a closely contested game at 200-199 or something.

Edit: This might also have implications on map selection since I’d personally avoid maps like Khylo due to higher chances of low-scoring games with points being easily decapped there.

Edit 2: Also, what happens in games which finish 501-500? I assume the loser drop back into the 400-499 category despite having 500+?

or games that end 500-500 and go to player score..

we have right hand strength instead

choyaxmd.6102:

Medi guard counters them heavy bunker type. Hambow warrior stunlock. Turret engi

wrong

Chaith.8256:

Booms.2594:

Chaith.8256:

Frenk.5917:

Chaith.8256:

Maybe introduce some potent protection-boonhate to some deserving parties?

Mmm, I don’t know.. I feel like Mesmers, Thieves and Necros already fill that role (I believe that Necromancers actually counter D/D Elementalists) moreover D/D Ele is not that good against heavy-condition teams. Which is why we see a lot more condi-ranger and condi-necro than before.

You’re right, at least about boon-hate already being in the Thief/Mes/Necro turf. However, Eles are never a bad option to take against condition heavy teams. D/D Eles are never ‘not that good’, under any circumstances right now.

Back to the subject of boonhate, Mesmers I would like to see them easier to pick up, without devoting an entire comp around it.

Also, I think that Larcenous Strike should steal a second boon if used on a foe below 50% HP. I think if that happened top D/D Eles and top S/D Thieves would be able to go even in 1v1s, instead of the Ele’s favor, and the Ele would be slightly more pressured when a thief outnumbers him.

id like to point out s/d thief can 1v1 a d/d ele it just takes 2-3 minutes vs a good ele.

furthermore I think there needs to be a buff to shatter mesmers so that they destroy d/d eles.. I understand lots of EU teams already run mesmer but I’m going to continue to assert that that is not the most optimal comp until WTS says otherwise. Pretty much every class in thsi game has a decent counter except ele so why can’t ele have one? It would be fair if ele didn’t hard counter anyone either and was just decent vs everything, but that’s not the case as it 100% will win every single 1v1 vs guardians, d/p thieves, rangers, and warriors with no exceptions.

Phantaram v. Magic Toker practice 1v1s are probably 75% win rate for Phanta. Both (the?) two top players at D/D Ele and S/D Thief, respectively.

Translated into conquest, it’s a 2 minute duel on a point the Ele will probably own. I still think the odds are against the Thief, and the threat of an enemy crashing the duel much more threatening to the Thief than the Ele.

It’s not a good investment for the Thief, so considering those factors I’d say the ability for a thief to maybe kill an ele after 60-120 seconds is not very useful.

amonatory doesn’t loses to eles but it’s true I dont know how he would fair vs phantaram.. he does 100-0 zoose in like 30 seconds though

Chaith.8256:

Frenk.5917:

Chaith.8256:

Maybe introduce some potent protection-boonhate to some deserving parties?

Mmm, I don’t know.. I feel like Mesmers, Thieves and Necros already fill that role (I believe that Necromancers actually counter D/D Elementalists) moreover D/D Ele is not that good against heavy-condition teams. Which is why we see a lot more condi-ranger and condi-necro than before.

You’re right, at least about boon-hate already being in the Thief/Mes/Necro turf. However, Eles are never a bad option to take against condition heavy teams. D/D Eles are never ‘not that good’, under any circumstances right now.

Back to the subject of boonhate, Mesmers I would like to see them easier to pick up, without devoting an entire comp around it.

Also, I think that Larcenous Strike should steal a second boon if used on a foe below 50% HP. I think if that happened top D/D Eles and top S/D Thieves would be able to go even in 1v1s, instead of the Ele’s favor, and the Ele would be slightly more pressured when a thief outnumbers him.

id like to point out s/d thief can 1v1 a d/d ele it just takes 2-3 minutes vs a good ele.

furthermore I think there needs to be a buff to shatter mesmers so that they destroy d/d eles.. I understand lots of EU teams already run mesmer but I’m going to continue to assert that that is not the most optimal comp until WTS says otherwise. Pretty much every class in thsi game has a decent counter except ele so why can’t ele have one? It would be fair if ele didn’t hard counter anyone either and was just decent vs everything, but that’s not the case as it 100% will win every single 1v1 vs guardians, d/p thieves, rangers, and warriors with no exceptions.

i noticed that the first minor in valor use to give protection instead of aegis at 50%. we should do that again, even if its only for 5 seconds. its such a worthelss trait compared to all the other minors

Ray of Judgment weakens on a critical hit.
want

Tuntz.8953:

Hi guys ,

Just wanted to know if it’s just me or someone else has been having missfires on symbol of wrath ? If i don’t wait for the animation to end before i press another skill , sow goes on cooldown but the symbol is not created .

have not had this issue once and I’ve been playing a lot of guardian so I’m not sure what happened with you

you should make it so skyhammer won’t ever appear if there is a team of 5 qing. only if its duoqing or soloqrs.. that way teams that are actually trying to practice actual competitive tpvp for your such amazing holy tournaments won’t have to waste 15 minutes of their life knocking people off ledges.

Aaron.2413:

Great! This is awesome!!! My team (we win every team q) will play and some mid tier team is gonna run 5 engis … They know they can’t win in any other circumstance…. They build only for Skyhammer … Gj anet. This is what we meant when we said we wanted more competition in high lvl play

yeah this is what i dont like about this.. 1 troll or maybe a whole team will vote for skyhammer and then legit teams will have to deal with it

Josh Davis.6015:

The Glorious Hero’s Armor is a skill-based reward. I’d wager that the players who top the ladders are all skilled players in some regard.

If you don’t think they are, you have until Dec 2 to knock them out of the top 20.

10/20 soloq leaders dont even have 100 wins. some have less than 10. “skill players in some regard” lol

Anton.1769:

1) 2×1 and they will die in 10 sec cause of 0 escapes
2) dominate 5×4 other 2 points – easy win

not true their 3s block on 16s cd + perma swiftness + frequen stunbreaks and slick shoes if they run that as well as many skills that make it hurt to follow mean its actually rather hard to 1v2 unless youre playing full burst like mesmer

Keksmuffin.1450:

Until they improve zealots defense and/or the 3rd autoattack just use a Silly Scimirar. It just feels so right to use the 3rd autoattack for the 3rd time and still miss because your target is absorbing projectiles or to flail arround and see only one out of 8 projectiles actually hitting your target when you’re using this skin.

lold

guardian ofcourse

Chaith.8256:

Switch up a sigil, 2 trait points, a utility, but if your class gets shut down too hard by X, your class might not really be tPvP ready.

fixed that for you

Keksmuffin.1450:

Black Box.9312:

Keksmuffin.1450:

If you’re playing with 1hsword it’s a different story since RHS and powerful blades make the damage difference between honor and radiance pretty big. But then we’re talking about gimmicky 1 shot builds without much sustain or utility again. We’re kind of moving in circles here.

Wait what? Sword provides the highest sustained DPS of any of the guardian’s weapons (barring scepter if every hit of smite lands, but that’s pretty much a no-go). It’s much less of a 1 trick pony gimmick than GS is, which is why I don’t recommend GS for small scale WvW roaming.

I’m not talking about sword being a gimmicky 1 shot weapon, I’m talking about 2/6/6/0/0 or 2/5/6/x/x with sword traits.

GS has something you could call an actual burst (scepter imob -> WW, binding blade + JI -> WW) while sword is basicly just gapclose auto auto auto, gapclose auto auto auto. Zealots defense isn’t really a big difference to autoattack. Also sword cleave is really awkward and it has no aoe at all which makes it worse in pretty much everything that isn’t 1v1. If you’re not going super yolo 6 radiance I really don’t see a point in running sword.

us sword mains know how to cleave using sword with correct targetting and placement but yeah GS is still better due to the symbol and WW being faster than autos

As a tpvp sword meditation guard main I have to suggest 2 things similar to what OP posted:
3rd auto on sword needs the projectile removed. I think an attack similar to warr-axe-2 (the cyclone axe) should be what we’re aiming for. 3 quick attacks so that the 3 attack bonus is still kept but no longer counts as a projectile. Honestly idc if they nerf the range since I’d rather have consistant dmg.
Zealots defense needs:
A: aftercast destruction increased (once youre done throwing worthless projectiles theres still the effect)
B: Lower the activation time to 1/4 second or even instant (been kittened so many times because using this skill as “reactive” like we’re suppose to is too darn slow)
C: Fix the projectiles so they actually land

then it should be actually worth the 3rd skill on a 1h wep set

Black Box.9312:

Keksmuffin.1450:

Radiance gives you nothing but damage. Honor gives you sustain, more utility with the cooldown reduction (and maybe resolute healer if you roam with a friend or smth) and still a decent ammount of damage from elusive power.

Going into traitlines to get nothing but damage is something you can do with PvE builds or with gimmicky 1 shot builds but in every decent PvPish build you can’t just stack damage multipliers. The stuff you get in honor is definetly stronger in actual fights, 1v1s and stuff. The only time I would agree on radiance being better would be fighting NPCs.

But what sort of utility does honor even provide for a meditation build? Your utility comes from meditations and valor; other than the vigor on crit at a whole 1 point there’s nothing valuable enough in honor to make a significant impact on the build, so you’re basically trading out less damage for hardly any sort of gain at all.

heal on aegis and dodges as well as slight might stacking helps in sustained fights. it also gives you an advantage vs other guards

Radiance increases your chances vs zerker classes but greatly decreases your chances vs condis.. in the end prboably not worth it since a virtue build can beat a zerker class if you just play better

when they drop crate leave and come back 60seconds later

Kako.1930:

S/D thief vs. Elementalist
Thief vs. Mesmer
Power Ranger vs. Mesmer
Med Guard vs. Warrior
Diamond Skin Elementalist vs. All pure condition builds.
Necromancer vs. Engineer
Necromancer vs. Elementalist
Moa Morph Mesmer vs. Minion Master Necromancer
Staff Elementalist vs. Turret Engineer.
Stunlock Mesmer/Warrior vs. Necromancer
Bunker/Condi Ranger vs. Thief

These are just my opinion, but I always feel like I’m at the advantage if I’m playing in these situations. :P (or disadvantage if I’m the one on the right)

s/d thief v ele = wrong
med guard v warr = wrong
necro v ele = wrong
mesmer v necro = l2 dodge
stunlock v necro = wrong

here are the true HARD counters imo:
thief v mesmer
necro v engi
ele vs guardian

and thats about it

Amins.3710:

OP –
If you’re going for DMG – Maximize your Dmg Modifiers.
If you’re going for Support – Focus on CC, Condi Removal & Boons.

Most importantly though, make sure your “build” and your utilities sync up. You’re running 3 signets but have no traits that support the utilities.

wat r u talking about he srunning meditations lol

BlackBeard.2873:

To be honest, NA comps are really close to the comp/strat that CM was using prior to splitting up for the WTS. Remember how nobody in EU could figure out how to beat a team full of tanky dps specs that had huge dps, decent stall capability, and good mobility?

The only thing is, running a comp like that takes good mechanical players who make good rotation choices, and that is why teams that just try to copy the comp fail pretty hard.

yup thats exactly why theres no competition in NA. the best players mechanically will remain to dominate until people can compete on their level. rotations alone wont be able to help.

Iris Ng.9845:

Blackjack.5621:

ranger followed by necro for Eu meta, since we play conquest and not deathmatch

This probably explains why top teams in EU have better rotations and more close matches.

the reason they have closer matches is because they dont run actual good comps

they always put soldier amulets on instead of zerker though so noobs dont get kitten haha

Saiyan.1704:

Single attack the target golem Heavy
Trait 6 zeal
Sigil of smoldering
Rune of Balthazar
2s burn. 1 Tick
95% increased duration

Trait 5 zeal 4 radiance Radiant Fire (VII)
Sigil of smoldering
Rune of Balthazar
2s burn 2 tick
110% increased duration
What’s going on here?

Edit:
Apparently Anet changed it so that you have to have exactly 100% increase burn duration for burn to proc twice… ridiculous nerf.

The tooltip needs to be fixed; people who think they’re getting 2procs at 2s burn may not be…

its literally always been that you need a full 100% duration increase to make 1s into 2s lol. look at the burn guardian guides on this subforum that are like years old.

Tarsius.3170:

Not to mention that it’s also a projectile attack ( no doubt why it also misses alot of the time – you can’t hit siege with it either) for no good reason, so it can be reflected back into your face… odd for a short range melee weapon.

actually it can hit siege now yay

SilkySmooth.1574:

put. a . password. on. it.

oh wait you cant because it counts as a regulair server. with the same hotjoin rules. so stop crying and rank like you should.

Saiyan.1704:

If you have fury for your meditations, i reccomend rune of the citadel for max fury uptime. Sigil of Rage is insane on the GS bursts and it’ll pop twice before you go down. (Justice Intervention in a group + whirl)

I’ve seen over 1 minute fury uptime with citadel.

thats overdoing it. we dont need that much fury. just use pack for swifntess and more power.

ty for being based

notice this is a 2 year old thread guys..

Keksmuffin.1450:

I like the idea, the build seems solid if you consider what you want to do with it but eh… You’re kind of a healing bot without much utility. Since you have no shelter, no renewed focus, only one stunbreak and no AH you could get killed pretty quickly when people realize you’re not as tanky as your healing dodges make it look like.

You can’t really do what guardians in pvp usually do which is rezzing and stomping while being able to facetank all the cleave on the downed body and cleansing teammates. I mean you have the cleanse on f2 and that’s about it. Not having renewed focus means you can’t just reset and use it twice either.

I guess it’s a build for just-for-fun-stuff for wvw so everything is viable anyways but I would not run smth like this in any serious or competetive enviroment.

Nice idea though, Seing green numbers popping up is fun I guess.

the reason why WvW guardians run “glassy” support is because they always run multiple guardians for literally “perma” stability and so they can peel for each other as well.

introducing:
Massive Muubs!
Lazer Muubs!
Muubs!
Ssj Muubs!
Holy Muubs

All ofcourse spelled with O’s instead of U’s. Apparently Anet decided my name isnt appropriate for the forums

all 80’s ofcourse

lol we dont need clutter sound effects in pvp too some of us actually listen to the effects while we play

i will join your team if you can find the remainder of players

theres basically a science to medi guard vs d/d ele that I’ve found after doing a ton of duels. basically you have to burn their AoE off the bat by landing BB and then immediately off cd land it again and land the WW burst. after that you have a 10% chance of killing them while their protection is down. pretty much the only way ive found.

pdavis.8031:

Chaotic.9742:

I love all the meditation guard OP comments. Must be why they run rampant in teamQ. Oh wait…

I actually see quite a few…One of my guildies, with whom we play frequently tpvp, sometimes will run a meditation guard. So yeah….

no offense but youre not even top 1000 on the teamq leaderboards so I doubt you two are really competing

Chaotic.9742:

I love all the meditation guard OP comments. Must be why they run rampant in teamQ. Oh wait…

Lopez.7369:

sinject.4607:

11111mancer, turret engie, and phantasm mesmer overreward braindead gameplay.

What is a 11111mancer?

OP’s build

uberkingkong.8041:

dominik.9721:

Med Guard.
Doesn’t matter how hard you suck,meds will fix it and punish your oppenent as twice hard as he does.
Atm theres no class around which has so easy acces to burst ( 2 bottons while 1 is an instaport lol) and has got insane survivability,though.
Even Warrior requires more skill

DD-celestial ele
But I guess, it’s more the celestialamu than the elementalist itself.

Med Guard sucks,
I played this build right here, http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Guardian_-_Meditation_DPS_Variant
Its a kittening joke, that build sucks, you die so fast, also you don’t even deal enough damage.
I’m going back to the AH build, its far more reliable and better than this stupid Med Guard build.
Perhaps that med guard build is good, but you said it doesn’t even take skill to play it, well I don’t have any skills and I cant even win with that stupid build, compared to HAMBOW, that’s a good build, easy and no skills, the build for me!

Med guard takes too much of knowing what your traits does, what skills activate what traits, way to complicated stuff, I prefer just start smashing and spam every single cooldown.

Either that site meta builds is a joke because there build is crap, or maybe I’m just playing the wrong med guard as well.

I mean it recommends travelers rune, that rune is good for newbs who like to run from fights right? so why on earth would they have traveler rune on that meta build site.. modified 2 days ago, probably some newb. Also, I was playing the hammer variant, maybe that’s why I wasn’t doing so good, hammer sucks. Guardian hammer needs more buffs.

the build is fine idk how youre having trouble with it. play the normal gs build and use pack runes.

chaith why are you even talking when you play the 2nd most broken spec in the game? and btw the first most broken spec also uses neither air nor fire sigils. like seriously I’m trying to understand why youre complaining about it but i really dont know.

Chaith.8256:

Firebird.8324:

I would suggest the in game mechanic that pretty much destroys it. Take the fact that these procs occur “on crit”, that means if you apply weakness or go into earth on ele and take the “no crit” trait or otherwise spec to make it hard for the enemy to crit you would be much better off than making baseless arguments on the forum.

That’s the worst advice I’ve ever heard.

Of course people with weakness will attempt to keep it on as much as possible. Most can’t. Use Stone Heart grandmaster on Elementalist? Okay, solid advice, the probability of that ever happening is a steady 0%.

not the zerker’s fault that youre specced for killing condis

Rym.1469:

That’s a pretty cool idea, especially when you play something like *cough*Guardian*cough*, Elementalist or Engineer, where – especially in pvp – you don’t autoattack too often, because you can roll through bazillion of other keys or dps is just a filler, not main role.

But what about Ranger? The damage comes mostly from 1-2 skills including chained aa and the rest of weapon skills are usually utility/evasion.

About Necromancer? You suggest that Life Blast and Dagger #1, the main dps sources of Necro, should be nerfed in dps just because they’re autoattacks?

And what would we get in exchange?

I think your view gets a little rusty when your scope is Wave of Wrath.

If you want to change this thing, better be Clinton in NCsoft and convince them, cuz it would require re-doing the game. And money.

So rob a bank or two.

was the guardian part suppose to be sarcastic? because 80% of guardian dmg is auto attacks

would also nerf my medi guard which is already struggling in this meta, but only vs classes that dont use air/fire.
and btw if we do this I think we need to make stuff like doom wont work on autos as well and geomancy has a wind up.

I don’t really see any major problems with double procs. shouldn’t we worry more about overpowered specs like cele engi and cele ele?

sorrychief.2563:

guardian with access to alot more soft cc.

THE HORROR.

ahhaha +1

xantosnightwish.5438:

This is the second FANTASTIC guide Ive seen you release backpack (loved your cele engy one as well). Youre doing good things for the community man. I highly recommend new players watch this!

what more could we expect from the best player NA?