Guild Wars 2

posthumecaver.6473:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

And why is he running zerker?

Best thing is, i didnt respond to that guy because he obviously doesnt understand what balance means, like so many other ppl. They only know spite.

“My class was underpowered last season, now yours can be underpowered because you already had your dominant meta”

Thats not promoting skill, thats promoting RNG imbalanced classes read the thread if you want to know what i think about it. Since this has been discussed over 3 times already.

Second on what you actually asked me. Why zerker? Because elementalist doesnt do any damage without zerker. Even marauder was extremely bad because its a sustain rune, in a time where scepter just doesnt do any damage.

As a scepter elementalist you are forced to play zerker to even be able to play this game on a fair level, yes its 20 times harder then other classes because you have almost no sustain or health, you dont have armor. and you fully relly on your dodges/kiting and timely blinds to stall. But atleast you can kill people before they kill you.

Its extremely high level if you know howto play it and i do.

Yet the problem still exists that as any elementalist that focusses on damage, even if its focus is hybrid support. You will not beat necros because you do not have enough traitlines/health and condi clears to simply clear the chills wich literally instant gg’s any scepter build.

You are forced into a few traitlines that can synergise with eachother to remove condis with. Do you know how little access elementalist even has to condi clear? And guess what, theyr all locked up in different trees. With the lowest HP ingame. With a single condi that hardcounters.

Chill needs to get reduced in effectiveness, its too potent. If it can hardcounter a class it shouldve been clear from the day chill go implemented in its current form, that it was too strong if you can shut down an entire class with it.

Ive stated it when reapers where revealed before HoT and everything following up to that point. That necros will be imbalanced in the ele vs necro matchup.

No I just thought it was funny that you only make the post when it’s your class. Where were your cries of outrage when DS wasn’t terrible and necros had no chance vs ele?

Only bad Necro’s has no chance to kill Ele’s with old DS, as Nosc provide over and over in his stream, 0 power amulets, go to repear shroud, auto-attack for 10 might stack, gone the DS……

Actually, if you watch Nos’ stream, you’d know he was beating bad eles. He’s stated many times that he was never able to beat Wakkey (an equally skilled player) on his ele. Nice try though.

So wait, you played 30 games this season. Am I correct in assuming you were either Emerald or Sapphire then?

Yeah the hypocrisy in your posts is just too much for me. Good luck on your quest to beat a necro.

NICENIKESHOE.7128:

ah yes, we all want this thread to descend into petty spiteful messages because of the 180 turn in food chain aye Browrain. Please give something constructive.

Atm DS is simply garbage. You must get hit to remove 1 condi, with 1s CD, and 75% hp threshold. Too gimmicky for an inefficient result. Might as well slap a 3s resistance on 10s ICD when 3 conditions are applied. But that’d rely too much on passive traits as usual. I think a better solution is to increase the efficiency or heavily reduce the CD of active condi removal skills rather than traits so no one can really complains about “passive plays”. For example reduce cleansing fire CD to 25s, cleansing wave remove 3 condis, or give warhorn to include condi removal as well.

I’m just searching for people’s “How is necro ever going to beat ele” threads as well. Can’t seem to find any. Of course eles are in a bad spot right now, but it looks bad when you all show up in the forums when it’s your class getting gutted. And fun fact, half my games from Diamond-Legendary were on ele.

ErazorZ.5209:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

And why is he running zerker?

Best thing is, i didnt respond to that guy because he obviously doesnt understand what balance means, like so many other ppl. They only know spite.

“My class was underpowered last season, now yours can be underpowered because you already had your dominant meta”

Thats not promoting skill, thats promoting RNG imbalanced classes read the thread if you want to know what i think about it. Since this has been discussed over 3 times already.

Second on what you actually asked me. Why zerker? Because elementalist doesnt do any damage without zerker. Even marauder was extremely bad because its a sustain rune, in a time where scepter just doesnt do any damage.

As a scepter elementalist you are forced to play zerker to even be able to play this game on a fair level, yes its 20 times harder then other classes because you have almost no sustain or health, you dont have armor. and you fully relly on your dodges/kiting and timely blinds to stall. But atleast you can kill people before they kill you.

Its extremely high level if you know howto play it and i do.

Yet the problem still exists that as any elementalist that focusses on damage, even if its focus is hybrid support. You will not beat necros because you do not have enough traitlines/health and condi clears to simply clear the chills wich literally instant gg’s any scepter build.

You are forced into a few traitlines that can synergise with eachother to remove condis with. Do you know how little access elementalist even has to condi clear? And guess what, theyr all locked up in different trees. With the lowest HP ingame. With a single condi that hardcounters.

Chill needs to get reduced in effectiveness, its too potent. If it can hardcounter a class it shouldve been clear from the day chill go implemented in its current form, that it was too strong if you can shut down an entire class with it.

Ive stated it when reapers where revealed before HoT and everything following up to that point. That necros will be imbalanced in the ele vs necro matchup.

No I just thought it was funny that you only make the post when it’s your class. Where were your cries of outrage when DS wasn’t terrible and necros had no chance vs ele?

this post really backfired

Jesus man. I sympathize with your situation, especially since you played zerk ele without DS during season 1. But this is the 3rd thread you’ve made about eles that I can see just on the front page.

MadRabbit.3179:

Browrain.7346:

I don’t feel bad for eles after that longggg d/d cele meta and how strong tempest was for a whole season.

Absolutely, because what’s really important here is not having a balanced game, but pulling down our pants and taking a big kitten on the class that was dominating other classes with a build of broken mechanics in the previous 3 months by performing “game balance” and creating a new build of broken mechanics for a different class to use for the next 3 months.

Ya exactly. I’d prefer them to balance. But if it had to happen to a class, I guess I would have chosen ele too.

Malchior.5732:

Alekt.5803:

Malchior.5732:

Alekt.5803:

Malchior.5732:

Alekt.5803:

Revenants are dealing 7k crits with precision strike

Press 3 on Earth Staff, 4 on Focus, use Earth Shout, or just walk back and forth/jump around. Better yet, just fight near boxes or houses.

I can guarantee you that you wont be hit for 7k ever again (until it gets fixed and/or nerfed because people are crying over a non-functional skill that shoots everywhere other than the target).

On-Topic: Yes, it sucks. That’s why I swapped to a class that has actual offensive capabilities.

Precision Strike is 5 seconds cooldown.

A and D have 0 second cooldown.

Can you stop already? Strafing in melee. You have a revenant auto-attack to worry about.

You’re Staff. Why are you in melee range?

To be fair, you can’t really run from a rev.

Someday.3650:

Browrain.7346:

Why do you feel like you need to counter someone?

Because the game was designed around hard counters for each class.

Do you know this for a fact or are you guessing to further your argument?

Belial.9350:

Browrain.7346:

Sunshine.5014:

Browrain.7346:

Sunshine.5014:

Browrain.7346:

Seems like a terrible thing to me. I wouldn’t want more than 1 thief.

Lol, gotta update your view then. Having 1+ Thieves doesn’t mean a loss anymore. No one can tank against 2 Thieves. You will be able to abuse the 3k range travel to +1 fights and down people instantly.

I welcome Thief and Necro in my team.

How would 4 thieves hold a point?

If you still have the mentality of holding a point, you haven’t adjusted to the new meta yet. It’s about kill/decap and fast +1.

Honestly, I enjoy the new meta a lot more than the old one. They just need to tweak a bit of Thief/Necro/Scrapper and it will be closer to balance.

I’m willing to put good money on the assumption that all top tier ESL teams won’t run more than 1 thief.

Yes but only because class stacking is banned lol

Oh is that a new rule for season 2? I saw plenty of bunker mesmer and rev stacking.

Sunshine.5014:

Browrain.7346:

Sunshine.5014:

Browrain.7346:

Seems like a terrible thing to me. I wouldn’t want more than 1 thief.

Lol, gotta update your view then. Having 1+ Thieves doesn’t mean a loss anymore. No one can tank against 2 Thieves. You will be able to abuse the 3k range travel to +1 fights and down people instantly.

I welcome Thief and Necro in my team.

How would 4 thieves hold a point?

If you still have the mentality of holding a point, you haven’t adjusted to the new meta yet. It’s about kill/decap and fast +1.

Honestly, I enjoy the new meta a lot more than the old one. They just need to tweak a bit of Thief/Necro/Scrapper and it will be closer to balance.

I’m willing to put good money on the assumption that all top tier ESL teams won’t run more than 1 thief.

Alekt.5803:

Browrain.7346:

Axialbloom.8109:

Browrain.7346:

Why do you feel like you need to counter someone?

If a profession cannot beat anything, then it is pointless.

Being able to beat someone does not mean countering it.

Favorable match-ups is the word I am looking for.

Ok well then I’d still say you’re favorable vs DH (for the same reasons pre-patch). Other than that, nothing.

Axialbloom.8109:

Browrain.7346:

Why do you feel like you need to counter someone?

If a profession cannot beat anything, then it is pointless.

Being able to beat someone does not mean countering it.

Why do you feel like you need to counter someone?

Sunshine.5014:

Browrain.7346:

Seems like a terrible thing to me. I wouldn’t want more than 1 thief.

Lol, gotta update your view then. Having 1+ Thieves doesn’t mean a loss anymore. No one can tank against 2 Thieves. You will be able to abuse the 3k range travel to +1 fights and down people instantly.

I welcome Thief and Necro in my team.

How would 4 thieves hold a point?

Seems like a terrible thing to me. I wouldn’t want more than 1 thief.

CooloutAC.3451:

Thats what i’ve been thinking. Pretty boring to play with no leaderboard and no stats. Even though i win almost every match in unranked now, I still find it boring if the stats aren’t even recorded anywhere so I haven’t been playing much.

Are you still point farming?

Rome.7124:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Browrain.7346:

Ninski.5680:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

Wrong,, pre patch all you had to do was go deathshroud and spam 1 for might stacks, soon as the eles below 90% boon corrupt with condi pressure and watch them melt, most eles especially will waste all their defensives to stay above 90%, so as soon as they drop its even an easier win

Wrong. You were facing bad eles who didn’t know how to manage their cd’s. Good eles didn’t die to necros

This is besides the point guys, thats in the past. We just want a solution for the future.
If people actually want this game to be fun, it needs to be balanced. And theres only Us the community who can make it go smooth or rough.

Im not asking for perfect balance. I think noone is. (we can all dream amiright) But atleast make classes killeable by other classes.

I’m all for balance. I just don’t want to see a bunch of nerf necro threads that lead to them being gutted just like ele. Right now it’s just an unhealthy overbuff overnerf cycle.

But it’s ok for Mesmers to be gutted? Cant be so biased.

Lol biased. I mained shatter mesmer for many years. I’d love to see zerk mesmer become viable again. While mesmer is also gutted and useless, bunk mesmer had to change. I’d rather see them gutted than not changed at all. Their alacrity uptime and rez potential was cancer.

Zoso.8279:

They will go down in GW2 history as the best team ever.

Not many people remember Team Paradigm. They were pretty dominant as well.

sneaky thief player trying to avoid nerfs and place the attention on necros

ErazorZ.5209:

Browrain.7346:

Ninski.5680:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

Wrong,, pre patch all you had to do was go deathshroud and spam 1 for might stacks, soon as the eles below 90% boon corrupt with condi pressure and watch them melt, most eles especially will waste all their defensives to stay above 90%, so as soon as they drop its even an easier win

Wrong. You were facing bad eles who didn’t know how to manage their cd’s. Good eles didn’t die to necros

This is besides the point guys, thats in the past. We just want a solution for the future.
If people actually want this game to be fun, it needs to be balanced. And theres only Us the community who can make it go smooth or rough.

Im not asking for perfect balance. I think noone is. (we can all dream amiright) But atleast make classes killeable by other classes.

I’m all for balance. I just don’t want to see a bunch of nerf necro threads that lead to them being gutted just like ele. Right now it’s just an unhealthy overbuff overnerf cycle.

Ninski.5680:

Browrain.7346:

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

Wrong,, pre patch all you had to do was go deathshroud and spam 1 for might stacks, soon as the eles below 90% boon corrupt with condi pressure and watch them melt, most eles especially will waste all their defensives to stay above 90%, so as soon as they drop its even an easier win

Wrong. You were facing bad eles who didn’t know how to manage their cd’s. Good eles didn’t die to necros

Fortus.6175:

reikken.4961:

It wasn’t ok before. It isn’t ok now.

Honestly, this, people!

There were plenty of us ele mains saying that DS was broken, we were asking for ways to make the trait not be totally binary, we existed. I can even dig up the threads about it I made.

Nobody here is asking for X class to be OP and Y class to be UP, revert it next patch adn repeat the cycle.

I think we all can agree that there should be a middle ground, where all classes should be, even if not completely in equal standing (which will never happen) to at least be not day and night states of balance.

How is this so hard to understand?

Because not many people ask for middle ground. The forum warriors usually ask for extremes, which leads to classes getting over nerfed and over buffed.

ErazorZ.5209:

Even if you are a higher skilled ele, necro can beat you due to sheer sponge HP.

And before this patch, even if you were a higher skilled necro, any diamond skin ele could beat you with his eyes closed. Why is it only not ok now?

You don’t watch good thieves if you rarely see them use head shot (pistol 4). On demand daze is incredibly strong.

I don’t feel bad for eles after that longggg d/d cele meta and how strong tempest was for a whole season.

AoE ground marks were already easy to hit. If you need this aimbot to land your staff marks, you have other issues.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Someone has to top. Someone has to be bottom.
Ele were top.
Now they’re not.
Such is life.

Really? Guardians were never bottom, Thieves were never bottom. Those 2 have been on the top of the meta WAY longer than eles.

Eles already had ONE FULL YEAR where they were beyond the bottom because they were just so freaking bad. And now once again they are down there.

All the while other classes never were.

You logic makes zero sense.

Gr8/10 joke.

That would make the most sense (having a diff title)

You feel more useful because your hard counter, ele, got nerfed so not as many people are bringing ele into matches

I always thought it was funny that it transfers a blind too, instead of missing.

While I can see how huge of a nerf this is, I can’t say I’m mad about it. Diamond skin just kittened me off too much.

Cynz.9437:

Short: none.

After HoT went live and after i realized how short was the end of the stick for thieves i pretty much quit pvp. I started to queue for ranked again during xmas holidays thanks to my BF (he plays gw2 as well and watching him pvp kind of motivated me) so around that time i was still amber.

Diamond was stupidly easy: after BNS came out i only logged in to do daily 3 matches, got through half of division by doing classes achive for backpack, last 3 divisions i pretty much grinded on last day of the season because i thought might as well get legend.

Fun fact: a lot of players in diamond/legend definitely wouldn’t be there if exploits didn’t exist and leagues weren’t so grindy but more about skill. Why?

1. most of the games i played as vanilla dp thief, it is really worrying how many players lost 1v1 fights vs my thief and they were using elites…. not saying i am amazing but this simply shouldn’t happen in diamond/legend (i am not even going to mention absolutely horrendous map awareness and rotation i saw from players).

2. every single diamond/legend player i met while being in emerald/sapphire myself was really really really bad

Bottom line: leagues are nothing but just same farmboards with new UI. You don’t need to be amazing to get to high tiers just maintain about 50% win rate and invest some time and patience.

Positive: devs definitely improved algorithm and i didn’t get premades every second match like before leagues.

Negative: meta just sucks, it is boring and has nothing to do with skill. Also i am really buffled by the fact that exploiters and afkers left unpunished.

If customer support actually were banning people for verbal harassment, fair amount of EU pvp community would probably not be able to play game right now: amount of harassment i had to endure simply because i play thief was mildly said ridiculous – i was called names, told to kill myself, told to uninstall etc. I have to say though somewhere in diamond people stopped doing it. Ruby was definitely the most toxic.

Would love here to hear how you “grinded the last 3 divisions on the last day”. That’s around 90 pips in 1 day in divisions where you can lose pips and tiers.

LittleSam.9634:

Post at least one link where other ArenaNet employee uses the term “MMR” to prove yourself. Is it very difficult?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Upcoming-Changes-for-PvP-League-Season-2/first

Whenever you’re done holding onto your argument with everything you’ve got, I expect an apology.

LittleSam.9634:

>Any links? But only posts where ANet employees utilize the term “MMR”.
>ANet employees
>s
>Do you really need more than 1 dev saying the term MMR in one thread?
Still can’t read.

You’re grasping at straws now Sam. I gave you a thread because you were too lazy to look for one yourself. There are many more.

LittleSam.9634:

>Multiple dev responses with the term “MMR” in this one thread
>Evan Lesh
>ANet employees
>s
What’s wrong with your grammar? Try again.

Lol. You’re reaching now. Sure, Evan and Gaile both responded, but only Evan mentioned MMR. Do you really need more than 1 dev saying the term MMR in one thread?

LittleSam.9634:

Browrain.7346:

LittleSam.9634:

Browrain.7346:

LittleSam.9634:

>MMR
Is it GW2 or Dota2?

Gw2 has hidden MMR. Look it up.

I’d rather wait for a competent person (for example a member of the development team) utilizing this term…

’

There are many posts by ANet employees that talk about people’s individual MMR (and how it gets affected when partied up) in pvp. Just take a look. I can’t help you any further.

Any links? But only posts where ANet employees utilize the term “MMR”.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Match-Making-Ratings-are-Frozen-1/page/2#post5945592

Multiple dev responses with the term “MMR” in this one thread (which is on the front page, would have taken you 2 seconds to find it).

Solo/Duo’d to legendary mainly on reaper. Amber-Ruby was pretty simple. Diamond was stressful because 7 tiers is 35 pips, and you can lose them all (hours/days of progress) on any day with any long losing streak. I relaxed and played fun builds after legendary.

LittleSam.9634:

Browrain.7346:

LittleSam.9634:

>MMR
Is it GW2 or Dota2?

Gw2 has hidden MMR. Look it up.

I’d rather wait for a competent person (for example a member of the development team) utilizing this term…

’

There are many posts by ANet employees that talk about people’s individual MMR (and how it gets affected when partied up) in pvp. Just take a look. I can’t help you any further.

LittleSam.9634:

>MMR
Is it GW2 or Dota2?

Gw2 has hidden MMR. Look it up.

No, your grammar is just way off.

“not too short sentences?”
“..that you are used only to chat.”
“Nevertheless, I’m about the situation…”

Just a few examples of sentences you wrote that, while I can understand, don’t make sense grammatically. So, please don’t try to belittle people about “difficult language constructions”.

5 people repping a guild on mics and 5 people who party up using mics but don’t rep the same guild have the same MMR boost. I don’t know where you got your info, but it’s wrong. 5 partied up people don’t have any more of an advantage over another group of 5 people doing the same thing but repping a guild.

Also, don’t get mad at other people for being confused about your post. Your grammar is awful, it’s not their fault.

Let’s be honest, that 1st match in Khylo was so much more fun to watch than any other game this season.

Regardless of how chaotic fights will be in Season 2, I think I can safely say it’s going to be more fun to watch than this bunker meta. Good riddance.

Aomine.5012:

RoyalCrysis.1065:

So in case you haven’t heard, druids and guardians are able to leap into air keep on the new wvw bl. They can leap with gs and then swap midair and use wings, or the druid staff movement skill and jump the gap. They can then bypass the inner gates as well with the same thing. Which completely destroys any chance of holding air keep unless you keep a large group there constantly. Reason I’m posting here is to make people aware that this is also possible in foefire, meaning you can skip the gate to hit the lord.

Lets see if we can get a fix for this now that it is apparent that it can break pvp, its been reported for months now with no action. Keep an eye out and report people if you see them do this, lets hope anet responds soon

I have yet to see anyone using such trick within 300~ matches I played this season.
(And I vote nulfield and foefire 100% of the time)
Is there a location that’s even doable for this trick in Foefire? If so, please do link a video.

One more thing, it takes around 3 secs for many classes to break the door anyway (particularly Druid himself), does skipping door really such a big deal?

Hitting the gates sends a warning to the enemy team, giving them more time to get back and defend the lord. Flying over the gate would give them significantly less time.

Actually you’ll have a lot of tomorrow too.

How do you know they are younger?

TPMN.1483:

We’ve been asking for this info for ages – but ANET wont release it.

You know why ?
They dont want to show you how much they are screwing you over.

Yes everything is a conspiracy and they are secretly laughing at their computers at you.

He plays bunker mesmer for team PZ in the ESL

Urawesome.2508:

Browrain.7346:

Snip

Lol dude, why even join this thread. Go out and get some sunshine.

There’s not much of that at 1 a.m. in the morning.