Guild Wars 2

CooloutAC.3451:

IsilZha.3608:

dank.3680:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

And if you stubbornly sit on home point and the enemy team ignores you while 5v4’ing your team on the map?

That would be bad. But that’s not what’s being argued.

A player with a low score could be bad/not contributing, but they could equally be the most valuable player on the team, because the argument is that the personal scoring is highly flawed and not a good indicator of actual contribution .

More often then not the players with the most points is the most valuable, because he knows how to rotate and is not just feeding mid the whole game. But of course like you point out, not nescessarily, but generally speaking….

For example, the dude on the winning team with 230 points, when everyone else had 100 points, certainly is most likely the best player. The game is still about capping and killing, as much as you carebear no skill noobs want to sit on a base with you bunker meta with your eyes closed dodging and smashing buttons, I hate to break it to you, most of the time you are not he mvp of the match…. Especially now when everyone else is a bunker too lmao…

Again what match have you played where a base is never contested?

See ANet… look at this guy’s posts. You did this to yourself ANet, when you implemented personal score in the first place. People like CooloutAC get the wrong idea.

But here, let’s go back to the old hotjoin days of tagging every single downed player and double-capping points. Because when I end the game with 570 points, it must mean I’m MVP!

CooloutAC.3451:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

EdgarMTanaka.7291:

StickerHappy.8052:

SCORE DOES MATTER

If the rest of the team has 100+ and you have 30, and it was a close game.

Definitely you are dead weight

Well typing everything with uppercase letters help almost as much as score does to a game.

So you are calling me dead weight when I defend home point from being captured through a whole match? Now usually I do get scores sometimes, I do this as there are players trying to take home point and I kill them but most of the time I get to fight Eles or other tanky builds and the fight can go on for almost the whole match if I don’t get help. But I know for sure that as long as I keep the cap point in my teams colour I am contributing to the team with or without any personal score. On the other hand for a tanky build trying to take the cap from an enemy player and who never succeeds to cap the point, well that player is a dead weight.

Please read first.

It would NOT be a close match if you bunked or defended the whole game.

I did read and I did understand it quite well mind you. If I defend or not won’t result in uneven matches, it is all depend on what strategys both teams are using. As a defender I evaluate if I am needed at home for example and I may move to another location if needed but still as a bunker I am traited to be guarding a point from being captured by the enemy team thus I will stay on a captured point and thus I will not gain very much personal score, still I am doing a darn good job holding a point from the enemies if they try to take it but I can keep them from doing that but still I gain no score.

My other teammates can make mistakes and we will loose points so we can iether loose, win or we can have a very close match. Defending capture points is one of the most important positions in this game and it usually gives you the least points.

If you go into every match and do the same strategy without adapting, you won’t win as many games imo.

Defending capture points, gives you capture defend points. Its one of those top player stats at the end of matches. Also, unless you never lose the base ever, you get the neutralizer points. Also part of a bunkers job, is to res and stomp. Plus just cause you are a bunker doesn’t mean you should never attack something, you touch something that dies you get the kill assist points. Granted you might not be top score, but gimme a break…. if you got no points in the match, its because you suck period.

Plus with these new hot metas, who isn’t a bunker? lmao….

Browrain.7346

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

If you think the conquest game mode was invented in gw2, you are whats sad, nerd.

Nope, never said I thought conquest was invented in gw2. Idk how you got that from my post. I’m saying it’s sad you think personal score matters. I don’t blame you though. Many people just don’t take the time or lack the intelligence to learn.

CooloutAC.3451:

They say that because they are brainwashed sheeple nerds. Of course score matters. It is true that the top score doesn’t always mean that is the mvp of the match. But generally speaking, good players will consistently score higher then bad players. Saying score doesn’t matter is like saying things like caps, decaps, defends, kills, ressses don’t mean anything…..of course they mean something.

You can always tell who the dude is outclassed in the match, when everyone on the server has 150 points, and he has 50…That no skill, sit on his kitten , bunker, better not have lost that base once! lol.

If you are bunker camping a base the whole game, even if you did not lose it once(meaning you never had to recap it) you better get some points for resses, stomps, kills, team assists, etc….

^ this is why ANet needs to fix this issue. People like this just have no idea how pvp in Gw2 works and it’s sad :/

And OP, that’s probably the worst case I’ve seen of division discrepancy so far… Hopefully you didn’t lose a pip?

Death Aggro.9602:

twhite.9310:

Death Aggro.9602:

Just curious what your saying here. Your team looks like it was trying to lower their ELO by bringing in low level plebs. It didnt work and you got wrecked. What were you expecting?

Might wanna take a better look next time LOL

Perhaps you should,. Where in his post did he specify Solo que for everyone?

Pls respond with your apology to OP when you realize you messed up Death Aggro.

The title is Primordial Legend or something like that. It’s in the pvp section of the achievements tab.

Wow. A constructive post in the PvP forums.

I can’t look at your build on my iPhone OP, but from what people are saying you are a condi mesmer. I can tell you that condi mesmers do much better in 1v1 scenarios compared to teamfights. In teamfights, there are too many AoE condi clears. I would take that into consideration with your rotations.

Love how you completely abandoned your personal score thread because you realized you were wrong.

Leohart.4610:

Browrain.7346:

Leohart.4610:

Browrain.7346:

I blame ANet for this. No Walking (OP) obviously has no idea what he’s talking about and is dead wrong, and I think personal score should be taken out of the game. It means nothing. But continue to triple cap home at the start of your game while your team wipes at mid… for the sake of… points.

lmfao are you serious. Jesus christ some people are so overly sensitive. How hard is it to overlook this. It means nothing? It records the amount of points you get from taking points, reviving allies, and killing enemies. How does it mean nothing? You can argue that that doesn’t matter as far as capturing nodes go and winning the game, but it’s already implemented in the game. It’s just a simple reminder that says hey, you captured a node, revived an ally, stomped someone or assisted in stomping someone.

The only time anyone even gives a kitten about personal score is in hot joins, but even then, that’s not always the case (newbies trying the game/people testing a build/casuals)

What Alekt said.

The problem is that people just build this imaginary thought in their head that’s always trying to compare kitten size in one way or another. Scores, non-meta/meta builds/lag. Rofl.

This thread is a trip. Thanks for the read and laughs @OP.

Obviously, the OP cares about personal score. Newer players tend to think personal score is a reflection of how much you’ve contributed in the game. As someone else here already mentioned, you can bunk on a point 1v1 all game and not get any points. Does this make that person’s contribution any less than someone who roamed and back capped all game (receiving far more points)? I didn’t think so bud. If personal score is removed, there will be no more confusion about this for the new pvpers.

What the hell are you going on about? You’re just agreeing to my point lmao. I was referring to your statement in which you suggested that Anet removed the scores altogether. I never once stated that points mattered, so why are you implying that I would believe someone bunking with little points is worth less than someone that has a large sum of points? Kek. You’re reading into this a little too much. Confusion? It’s perfectly laid out for anyone pvping. The stats after a game tells you everything you need. How is that confusing? When this game launched, I strictly played PvP and not once did I hear anyone think it was confusing.

Refer to the second part of my post about hot joins.

The thing that you state “confuses” new pvpers is yes, in part because of the scores, but it’s mainly their own thought process. They think more points = kitten size and honestly, what can you do about that really, other than explaining to them how the game works, i.e. more points =/ 1337ness.

Edit: it’s obvious you’re confused on my stance on the matter. Allow me to refer to my own post, as kittenbaggy as it is. “how hard is it to overlook this.” That’s one. “The only time anyone even gives a kitten about personal score is in hot joins…” That’s two. Refer to what I see is the “problem”. That’s three. That should be enough clues for you to understand my stance.

I don’t know what else to tell you. It’s obviously an issue. The OP here is a perfect example. While you weren’t confused about personal score when you started pvp, many people were. I’ve seen it dozens of times.

Leohart.4610:

Browrain.7346:

I blame ANet for this. No Walking (OP) obviously has no idea what he’s talking about and is dead wrong, and I think personal score should be taken out of the game. It means nothing. But continue to triple cap home at the start of your game while your team wipes at mid… for the sake of… points.

lmfao are you serious. Jesus christ some people are so overly sensitive. How hard is it to overlook this. It means nothing? It records the amount of points you get from taking points, reviving allies, and killing enemies. How does it mean nothing? You can argue that that doesn’t matter as far as capturing nodes go and winning the game, but it’s already implemented in the game. It’s just a simple reminder that says hey, you captured a node, revived an ally, stomped someone or assisted in stomping someone.

The only time anyone even gives a kitten about personal score is in hot joins, but even then, that’s not always the case (newbies trying the game/people testing a build/casuals)

What Alekt said.

The problem is that people just build this imaginary thought in their head that’s always trying to compare kitten size in one way or another. Scores, non-meta/meta builds/lag. Rofl.

This thread is a trip. Thanks for the read and laughs @OP.

Obviously, the OP cares about personal score. Newer players tend to think personal score is a reflection of how much you’ve contributed in the game. As someone else here already mentioned, you can bunk on a point 1v1 all game and not get any points. Does this make that person’s contribution any less than someone who roamed and back capped all game (receiving far more points)? I didn’t think so bud. If personal score is removed, there will be no more confusion about this for the new pvpers.

I blame ANet for this. No Walking (OP) obviously has no idea what he’s talking about and is dead wrong, and I think personal score should be taken out of the game. It means nothing. But continue to triple cap home at the start of your game while your team wipes at mid… for the sake of… points.

They nerfed mesmer 2 days ago.

tmc.7254:

probably because it’s the “christmas” heart of the mist and they forgot ot lock it

Lol. I thought about it and this is probably right… kind of sad.

I didn’t even see the game but I already know one of your party must have dc’d mid-match. You conveniently left that out right?

Darknicrofia.2604:

Had this meta been around while The Dark Knight was being made, Heath Ledger wouldn’t have had to OD on sleeping pills

…RIP

Wow

It’s not a bug or anything. It’s intended. Since you were partied with him, it penalizes you too. The other people on your team (but not in your party) gained a pip. Ik it sounds flawed, but this is the system they have in place.

I agree the season is too short. On the other side though, the achievements require people to play multiple seasons, so it benefits them. As someone who works full-time and only plays 2-3 hours max a night, I probably won’t make it to diamond.

Congrats on taking a stand. I won’t be watching EU because they did the exact same thing.

Wait what? 1 game?

You’ll learn… some day.

Because your personal score has nothing to do with how well you played, and is not a factor in determining how many pips you lose/gain.

Bunk Chronomancer is strong. That doesn’t make your original thread 1 year ago valid. You were wrong back then about invisibility, and you’re still wrong about it.

With all the mass reveals and how rezzes/stomps are in this meta, shadow refuge is not usually taken anymore. Any revenant or scrapper with sneak gyro would ruin your day.

Since you never played Capricorn I’ll tell you why people hated it. Like someone already mentioned, underwater combat is incredibly imbalanced. On top of that, whoever controlled mid point had ally sharks on their side in the water. This meant that if someone was defending mid, there was almost no way to try and contest it 1v1 because about 6-7 sharks would be swarming you as well. Imagine trying to win foefire mid 1v1 with the other team’s lord and bodyguards also trying to kill you.

You guys do realize that “next week” from last week can mean any day of this week, ending on Sunday. Also, they promised an “update”, not a fix, so don’t get your hopes up on it coming back this week.

Not that I care. I personally hate the map more than I did Raid on the Capricorn.

We get it. Bunk mes is boring to fight against. We’re all in agreement there.

Not against this idea. Just something to show how far you got in past leagues, even if it wasn’t Legendary. Getting to ruby or diamond soloq is a feat in and of itself.

Wait what? According to TyrnotianYeti or w/e his name is, only NA was doing this. EU does this too??

Inb4 Grouch comes in here with the usual “took a look at your match history, you only lost 5 in a row”.

There was an “update” on the situation promised this week, not a fix. And “this week” could mean any 7 days of this week. It’s only Tuesday. Hope this cleared everything up for you.

Didn’t TCG lose their first set, and oRNG lose this Monday? I don’t follow EU much so let me know if I’m wrong. I didn’t know they were still considered the top.

You really are sad and depressed with way too much time on your hands huh? I can imagine your eyeballs lighting up with rage as you read Chaith’s post, whispering “…I won’t let you get away with this”.

WoW gates mounts and skins behind raids and long achievements. League of Legends gates certain skins behind reaching a specific division at the end of the season. Both games have received an abundance of success for doing these things, for reasons everyone here has already explained.

Hopefully these examples help you understand. I know they are not gw2, but the principle still applies. Good luck.

Kashe.3089:

I’m not talking about the points on the leaderboard at the end.. As you said, they mean nothing. I’m talking about all the other categories. The one’s that show you’re actually helping your team, like Point Defense. I haven’t looked at all of them, but they have a lot of individual categories that could be used to determine if you actually played well.

Almost everyone gets a top stat for something, since there are so many categories. So how would you determine who deserves to not lose a pip? The person with the most top stats? That just brings us back to where we started, saying that having the most top stats means nothing.

Not going to happen. Like people already said, stats mean nothing. A bunker holding down a point will probably have less points and less top stats than a roamer, yet the bunker is crucial to their win.

Arcade.8901:

Browrain.7346:

I think people fail to realize that splitting soloq and teamq would basically make teamq a wasteland. You think queues are long now? People with high mmr would be waiting hours upon hours for a single match.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love soloq back because that’s predominately how I’ve been going through leagues. But, you have to look at the side-effects.

The thing is, there is Team que and Solo que in LoL where Solo que is most popular mode, why ? Because in Solo que the game is fun, in team que it’s a responsibility, if they don’t develop the game around what is fun, to bring people in PvP, there won’t be teams at the first place, except for dedicated ESL wannabes.

But mixing the leagues with premades and solo ers artificially, by cheap rewards, wont bring them anywhere.

LoL’s player base dwarfs ours here. Not really comparable because with such a large population, queue times are never an issue.

Morwath.9817:

Browrain.7346:

I think people fail to realize that splitting soloq and teamq would basically make teamq a wasteland. You think queues are long now? People with high mmr would be waiting hours upon hours for a single match.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love soloq back because that’s predominately how I’ve been going through leagues. But, you have to look at the side-effects.

Current League is wasteland, not population wise, but fun wise. According to your logic, majority of playerbase has to be stuck in wasteland to prevent minority being stuck in wasteland. You could assume that solo/duoQ players care as much about premades as premades care about solo/duoQ, but whos majority here?

In worst case, team q would die and premades would have to solo/duo Q.
Nothing would change, except we would have more fair matches.

Everything would change. Aspiring teams couldn’t practice their comp unless they got lucky and found another team to scrim in customs. Friends of 3 or 4 could no longer queue together (this all assuming what you said, that teamq would die).

Again, I desperately want soloq back. But you have to be empathetic to everyone it would effect. It wouldn’t just be 5-man top teams being harmed here. Just some things ANet will have to take into account if they decide on some sort of fix for this.

I think people fail to realize that splitting soloq and teamq would basically make teamq a wasteland. You think queues are long now? People with high mmr would be waiting hours upon hours for a single match.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love soloq back because that’s predominately how I’ve been going through leagues. But, you have to look at the side-effects.

Considering how many things are unblockable in this game, blocks are already weak as it is. Why do you think most high tier engis aren’t running tool kit anymore?

Agreed. EU should be ashamed for running such boring comps.

Ohoni.6057:

If you can find other threads supporting your cause or something similar, by all means lead me to it. Until then, even this small sample size is better than simple guesses.

Aw, sweetie, nooooo. Don’t say things like that. No, no threads on this or any other forum are a representative sample of any kind. Again, look up how statistics work before talking about the subject again, you’ll thank me.

Right soooo… you can’t. That being said, you might find better results in PvE forums. It’s funny to me though how while trying to convince ANet of your opinion, all they will see are the barrage of posts from person after person here shutting you down. I would feel sad, but I remember you making a similar thread to this about pvp dailies so it’s just amusing at this point.

trytonianYeti.4389:

Yeah well they almost lost the first match

THE EU HERO RETURNS!

If you can find other threads supporting your cause or something similar, by all means lead me to it. Until then, even this small sample size is better than simple guesses. You can say lots more people agree with you, but I’ve yet to see it. All I see from this, my only tangible evidence, is that nobody here agrees with you.

You’re welcome ANet

I’m glad this thread was made. It’s highlighted just how many more people are against it compared to supporting it. Since it’s hard to say what the general gw2 population thinks of it, I guess I have to take this as the largest sample size.

So if you do read this ANet, at least you’ll know almost everyone in this thread is against it.

LastHope.8127:

Cowboy.5982:

Ps: saddened for the spelling mistakes because I am French.

Being French is no excuse to be bad at English, just because your government isnt forcing you to learn English like most EU countries do, doesn’t exclude you from learning English on your own. There is a reason English is used everywere in the world, it’s super easy to learn!

He is under no obligation to learn English on his own. He attempted to communicate with us, and I’ll bet he speaks English better than most native-English speakers can with any other language.

That being said OP, I didn’t understand what you were trying to say either. Si tu veux, tu peux ecrire en francais. Il y a beaucoup ici qui peut comprendre. (Sorry if that was broken, haven’t spoken French in a while)

trytonianYeti.4389:

Perhaps you’re clueless and haven’t been following what’s going on in NA right now.

People like you are getting farmed non-stop by top pro teams. They are keeping you from progressing.

The EU hero strikes again!

x1000 on bunker mesmer. I’ve mained mesmer since beta and it’s depressing to see good shatter mesmers like zeromis have to play bunker to be relevant for their team.

I agree with your other points too.

infantrydiv.1620:

Browrain.7346:

infantrydiv.1620:

As an NA player, EU has

-more competitive top teams
-less drama
-better rotational strategies (they look like they actually thought about splits and such)
-better team comps
-better overall skill level (even in hotjoin from what I’ve seen)
-less ego on the top teams than NA teams

-lost WTS because LOLOLOL D/D Ele and let’s nerf Rampage the week before
-get rekt EU Kappa

Wait so NA won the last WTS?

Yeah, oRNG didn’t even score over 200 pts on them in the final. Abjured strat was basically just suiciding off-tanks on every node the whole game.

Oh ok. Just wanted to make sure NA won.

infantrydiv.1620:

As an NA player, EU has

-more competitive top teams
-less drama
-better rotational strategies (they look like they actually thought about splits and such)
-better team comps
-better overall skill level (even in hotjoin from what I’ve seen)
-less ego on the top teams than NA teams

-lost WTS because LOLOLOL D/D Ele and let’s nerf Rampage the week before
-get rekt EU Kappa

Wait so NA won the last WTS?

Ohoni.6057:

Also, so far nobody has been able to explain what is intrinsically “PvP” about these wings, what would make them “PvP wings” even if they were available through other means, that justifies that they must remain PvP-only.

Because ANet decided to make them exclusively pvp. Find me other people who agree with you on this issue please.