I don’t think we’ll see Kain move up relatively soon but if the scoring stays consistent inevitable.
I actually believe Kaineng may rise up this coming reset. SoR may be doing good now with their Glicko rating, but remember it is the weekend where half their members can stay up.
SoR’s Glicko rating will drop as the week progresses due to their overnight coverage. Kaineng’s will either remain the same or rise further due to the other two servers overnight coverage not being able to play ball with Kaineng’s.
Stay up?!? We aren’t pulling all nighters on the weekend if that is what you are thinking.
Kain will be here by week 3 march.
Next match??? Doubt it. It would take a near 60 point swing from both SoR and Kain to make that happen. While I think it will shrink up some more, I doubt that is going to happen in a matter of 4-5 days.
JQ and BG double Team SoR.
BG and SoR Double team JQ.
JQ and SoR double team BG.GG. /end sarcasm
No one does it.
If you have proof, as in actual recorded conversation of 2 servers directly working together PM it to me. Otherwise you’re just calling wolf, and I can’t believe you.I am not calling wolf, its pretty easy to see when two groups are not fighting each other and are taking turns at protecting each other towers. Everybody can see it and knows it because it is so obvious.
Sanctum last night went out of their way to get to a jade tower we just had taken while Jade was right next to it NOT attacking any of the Sanctum players. Then there is SM when one come right after the other and you guys don t attack each other.
Of course there are the little skirmishes where you do fight each other so please don’t try to make it look like it is not true since it is painfully obvious to see…at least in EB
I haven’t seen it first hand so I can’t say it is or isn’t happening but realistically its a smart move for SoR to attack BG over JQ. SoR is not going to beat JQ and BG is having a hard time competing with JQ. So SoR should be focusing BG more because were busy trying to catch up and cap over JQ. JQ should be focusing BG more because were more of a threat point wise. Call it double teaming or what ever but its the smarter move for both servers (even if it sucks for BG) If SoR wants to stay in T1 they will have to make sure they are getting the points they need to stay above KG and they aren’t going to do that fighting both BG and JQ.
If things stay as they are, Kain isn’t getting to tier 1 any time soon. Tier 1 and Tier 2 look to be permalocked unless transfers change something or people leave the game.
Tier 1 is now simply a game of numbers and not a game of skills. Being on top only means you zerg in larger groups. Zergwars…its fun to watch, not fun at all to play. There is no skill in facerolling your opponents.
I tip my hat to you for having the numbers and at the same time I laugh at the lack of skills needed for this.
I really miss tier 2 and 3 where the other servers where actually fun to fight. You are not fun to fight and that in my book does not make you a winner.
Peace out
If you truly think this is the case then:
A. You need to upgrade your computer
B. You are in the wrong zerg.I have seen Foo and Choo constantly obliterate Zergs all the while having much lower numbers than the opposing Zergs.
Overwhelming numbers are not that big of a deal any longer. I’ve seen and been apart of groups where 15 have taken 30-40 on and won handily. There is a LOT of strategy involved with movement on the field as well as group composition. The meta has evolved…
So now BG has resorted to trolling their own server?
Yeah…that’ll get you motivated.
Hmm, JQ and BG neck and neck. I guess this means tonight is fairly important for who maintains ppt, deciding factor in my book is who SoR decides to harass tonight and who they let tick uncontested.
Offering 2000g…
We already paid 2000g for this match, might as well pay another 2000g to SoR to seal the deal.
BG for life Motherkitteners! Pay2Win
Just Joking
Seriously, I’m taking bets.
10g min bet
Payout as follows2 times if BG wins
2.5 times if JQ winsSoR hates BG with a passion.
Good luck to us.
Who said that? We don’t hate BG at all.
Smells like fear to me.
you’re free to think what you wish, i’m just letting you know the reason why our GM didn’t list them in the guilds that we want to fight.
You say you respect TW as players and would love to fight them, but then turn around and refuse to include them in the list of guilds you want to fight. I mean you do realize there are third person parties you can go to, to communicate.
your post makes it seem as if i made my statements previously, and then somehow made the list myself. i did not, my GM made the list, he was the one who recieved personal attacks from members of TW, not me.
To be clear, I am not a leader, nor an officer in the guild, I am a member, nothing more. When i say that we have respect for TW, that is the opinion of me, and several others in the guild, but when your GM decided to personally attack my GM with whispers, he closed a door that cannot be so easily reopened.
Do you want to GvG EMP? maybe someone from your guild should make a post saying that instead of “witty” remarks about precursors. I am really trying to keep this diplomatic, so please try and do the same.
So does EMP want to GvG against TW tonight or any time that we can get together? Send me a PM whether yes or no on the forums as I’m at work right now so we can set this up.
If any other guild would like to set up something as well send me a PM here first and then in game. I promise to keep the names of people to myself to keep away from any trolling.
Thanks,
Maybe it’s defective tinfoil, but are you trying to distract Emp from gaining points in order to help BG stay on top?
Suspicious minds want to know!
I can neither confirm nor deny the above report.
Whats up with all the taunting by BG players on a defeats ? Ive been laughed at, danced on, slept on, and on occasionally left their bleeding as the BG Invader emotes me till I die. It’s like BG amateur hour out there now and far more closer to the 1st time BG entered T1 than the more laid back BG that was here last time in t1.
People do it on all sides and it’s always pugs doing it.
Yeah probably. It’s usually players that only participate in WvW when a server is winning, and are basically saying “haha we’re in T1 and winning you’re bad neener” or something along those lines. All servers have the sort, and they usually go away when losing. Humans are usually mean by nature … we have to learn to be nice.
I agree, that’s one thing that makes me proud that I play on JQ. I’ve seen spam laughs from a lot of BG and even from some SoR. It’s really unsportsmanlike. Only emotes I see from our JQ guys are usually beckons, cheers and salutes.
We really don’t have to be mean spirited about the competition, after all it’s only a game, and laughing and dancing on corpses is pretty low.
I do my best to point and laugh at everyone that tried to kill me and fails.
It is mostly icoa they are out there they can get wiped all night long and they still think they won. I had a toon in their guild brought this up after vodka ranted about the guilds glory the night before, I mean I had played that night we won one battle and that was a 2on1 with one faction raining down aoe and us smashing them from behind. They flood the forums with propaganda I vote gvg aquatic battle lol.
Vodka " I created this build I call it glamour build and I want all of our mesmers to use it "
Me"Glamour builds are trash"
As he goes on about the build he says “Yea Anet is really good about miss naming skills and abilities. I mean mind wrack, mesmers have no skill named mind wrack”
Me “It is your F1 skill you kitten and you really shouldn’t be giving out builds when you don’t know your class.”
The guy is in complete denial about his/their skill lv and teaches others to be bad in the process because you don’t get any better with that kind of mind set.
We had a really good time with ICoa last night. I especially liked the fight where they smashed down the south hills gate and waited for us to at the north outer portal. Needless to say we repaired the south gate to full about two minutes after entering the north portal.
EMP is looking for a few GvG matchups!
Send me mail if interested! Looking to face Choo/Agg/FoE/Merc/ND/Thai/Fear/CDS!
Not TW?? That’s too bad. We drop precursors.
So….to sum up the last couple pages…
ICoa hates Choo and Choo hates ICoa
lol vodka is the king chest thumper
That’s funny seeing how Choo is the one that constantly boasts about farming ICoa in the main forums. The chest thumping is coming from you, i just set the record straight. Keep talking trash we have another video we’re dedicating specifically for Choo
And people on BG wonder why the other servers aren’t fans of you? Like a player scoring a touchdown in a football game, act like you’ve been there before.
Vodka (Hollywood Fiend) is one of the GM’s of ICoa.
Which is the sad part in all of this….
My kitten is bigger than your kitten.
SoR is worried about the good, fair fights.
So thats why they run with 80+ server laggin zergs? :P
Says the guy that runs with the massive Agg/FoE/EA zerg?
Everybody zergs. With map sizes the way they are and good scouting, they promote the zerg. It takes maybe 2 mins tops to get anywhere in the map and its even shorter if you have WPs in the keeps. Everybody needs to quit whining about the zergs. ANet clearly doesn’t want the zerg going anywhere so we will all just have to deal with it.
Thought I’d check in to see if ANet has addressed performance issues. sounds like they are going the wrong way.
Next Patch™
this thread is hilarious. 2 gs precursors in 2 days
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I’m surprised we don’t all have precursors already with all the bag talk in this thread.
Message to all poor SoR members: Farming iCoa, ruins of JQ BL.
Also farming EA, SF, Agg, FOE, and just about any non-blue in SoR BL.
we’ve been in BG BL all night… with AGG, FOE. sooo uh….. like you are lying dude lol.
SoR will say anything to get noticed nowadays, goes to show what kind of server they are. All bark, no bite.
Ironic comment coming from you…
And my point, which you also missed is that WvW is and always will be (for the forseeable future) a 24/7 Territory battle. Population, coverage, and effective use of the two (which is where the skill is) are and should be the deciding factors.
That is the nature of the game type.
There is skill in “population and coverage”? Sorry, but i’ll have to disagree with you on that one completely. I don’t see how having more people is considered skill.
underlined and bolded the key phrase. When you lack population, efficiency with what players you have is key. Tailored specs, scouting, quick reacting commanders, efficient travel routes etc.
When a group of 20 wipes a group of 40, that group of 20 is operating more efficiently. They are making effective use of their population.
Did you think I meant just having warm bodies was skillful?
Meaning it in that respect, I agree. Seeing as the comment was coming from a BG player, I was thinking you meant more of the “recruit more players noobs” as opposed to using numbers efficiently.
Apologies.
I think a lot of the PvE crowd stay out of PvP due to the unpredictability of it. You go up against an NPC mob and you know what you are going to get. There is no unpredictability in it.
Another human though brings so many more variables.
chest thumpers
This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.
I think its safe to say he thinks you are a terrible ele. He was just being nice.
“I measure success only by K/D ratio” said he.
Apparently he was lying, or left off the bit where he says “except when I don’t”
XD see you in game.
I think providing some sort of contribution to the overall fight was an implied inclusion in that statement he made about k/d.
speed boosts, might stacks and water fields + cripple and stun obviously don’t count.
Also kitten your “implied inclusion”, how do you know he wasn’t “implying” that he loves getting bananas smeared into his hair?
To the first part, we will just have to agree to disagree on what makes a good staff ele.
To the second part, I can’t speak on covenn’s fantasies with bananas as I don’t know.
chest thumpers
This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.
I think its safe to say he thinks you are a terrible ele. He was just being nice.
“I measure success only by K/D ratio” said he.
Apparently he was lying, or left off the bit where he says “except when I don’t”
XD see you in game.
I think providing some sort of contribution to the overall fight was an implied inclusion in that statement he made about k/d.
chest thumpers
This essay, whilst well written, scores 0 marks because you didn’t answer the question.
I think its safe to say he thinks you are a terrible ele. He was just being nice.
How many people did you kill since Friday and how many times did you die? That is how I rate success.
What a bizarre way of measuring success.
Given the way this game works, I find that using the scoreboard as a measure is the bizarre method. It rewards coverage and population rather than superior play.
Measuring success based on cap points and coverage in a game mode based on cap points and coverage is bizarre?
The point I was trying to make, since you missed it, is that the system is flawed. Matches aren’t won by superior play, they are won by who has the best around the clock population and coverage. I pride myself on playing better than my opposition, not on taking keeps while they are sleeping.
I am not sure how to make it any more clear to you. Hopefully you understand this.
And my point, which you also missed is that WvW is and always will be (for the forseeable future) a 24/7 Territory battle. Population, coverage, and effective use of the two (which is where the skill is) are and should be the deciding factors.
That is the nature of the game type.
There is skill in “population and coverage”? Sorry, but i’ll have to disagree with you on that one completely. I don’t see how having more people is considered skill.
Kaineng gave us a better fight in T2. I don’t think you guys belong here In T1. Shape up or ship out. Cause Kainengs coming up next to knock down your doors.
edit: spelling
I don’t think you have the proper NA to compete in tier 1. WM is a great guild, but I don’t think they will be able to carry your NA deficiencies.
I think the guy you’re quoting is BG, not Kaineng
I suck at reading comprehension….
Kaineng gave us a better fight in T2. I don’t think you guys belong here In T1. Shape up or ship out. Cause Kainengs coming up next to knock down your doors.
edit: spelling
I don’t think you have the proper NA to compete in tier 1. WM is a great guild, but I don’t think they will be able to carry your NA deficiencies.
My suggestion is simple : we need to have a way to make the amount of kills we make in wvw matter. Its sad to see a system that is mostly rewarding for PvD servers more than for servers are are actually up to put up some fights.
An easy solution to that would be to implement a counter and make 1kill correspond to 0.1pt. Each kills made by players from a server would be added to each others during a match up, the total amount of those kills would then be added to the amount of points each server have at the end of a 1 week war period. The winner would then ofc be the server who managed to capitalize most points AFTER the kills addition.
(Nb of kills . 0.1)+Pts = final score-Rewarding for servers who fight
-Motivate more players to actually go in the open field and meet their oponents
-Encourage the players to group up in organised guilds to optimize their field skills
-Nerf the impact of mindless PvD.I m very very sure that most of the wvw community would welcome this change with a lot of enthousiasm.
There was never a war where the amount of death didn’t matter.
I always was under the impression kills were added to the ppt. Are you 100% sure they are not ? Maybe we can get a dev to confirm.
Kills account for nothing.
I can see a problem with how they will award points to killing a player. What if a player is tagged by two servers? Do they both get points? Does the point go to the killing blow player?
Too avoid all of this….rather than award points to the server killing people, deduct points from the server having people die. That way you could avoid all of the “Who gets the credit for the kill” talk.
“JQQ just dropped 50 points. That poor zerg…..”
Score update. Had fun defending hills against FOO!
+220 this late in the morning for SoR. I dunno what happened SoR oceanics, but I’m loving it. Keep strong guys! I’m sure having the third server there actually competing helps quite a lot.
On another note, how do you feel about the JQ player inside the inner wall model at bay breaking down the wall from within it? Or the other player inside the bridge model at Garrison attacking people crossing it? Is that less of a grey area?
It’s just as much of an exploit, and the people should be banned. Simple as that. Your argument is so weak (it’s not even an argument, it’s a justification) .
Think about it.
“I know it’s bugged. It’s an exploit to hide in broken geometry. But everyone else does it, so we do too…therefore, because so many people use it, it’s not an exploit anymore.”
An exploit is an exploit no matter how you rationalize it or how common it is.
I’m done with you.
Let the anger flow through you.
I feel that SOR is playing similar to how SOS used to play which was to ball up in huge zergs to run through their opponents.
SoR has become zergier as it went up in tiers in order to compensate for the larger enemy zergs.
I only run in small-man groups and I can tell you that it is hard to find BG and JQ players that aren’t in zergballs or won’t run back to their zerg unless they have superior numbers. That is the nature of most people regardless of server.
We’ve been forced to group up much more since being in tier 1. Especially now with the transfers that JQ and BG have gotten. They seem to clump up much more than before. The maps cater to this play style though, unfortunately. Especially with good scouting.
We had an awesome fight last night on the SoR BL. TW hit EA. EA got reinforced by Agg and FoE midway through the fight. TW then got reinforced by FEAR about two minutes after that. All in all the fight lasted about 10 minutes until all was said and done with momentum swinging both ways at different points in the fight. Many banners/abilities were spent rezzing people in that fight. That is how the game was meant to be played.
People still portal bomb? I haven’t seen a successful portal bomb in weeks. They are rare in tier 1 now unless you want to wipe.
the new jewelry at orr karma dealers is account bound (till soulbound). make more alts, have exotic jewelry waiting.
buy lvl 68 greens in fireheart rise or mt maelstrom and mystic toilet for yellows then salvage for ectos.
You sir have just made my day. I’m not smart enough to come up with these ideas…
Missing a few on this list:
- Using stealth no longer resets NPC aggression tables.
- Ranger: Guard: Pets will no longer guard areas that should be inaccessible to them.
Added.
this will also change wvw
•Mesmer Portals can no longer be interacted with when there is an obstruction between them and the player.
I’m not quite sure what that means. If that means no more portalling into keeps then we can safely say mesmer sweeps are done. I guess I need more clarification on what this means. I’ll add it to the main post though.
Forgot one related to WvW:
- Cloak and Dagger: The player can no longer use this ability stack stealth by attacking WvW walls.
Thank you. I’ve added it to the main post. Let me know if I’ve missed any more.
World vs. World
- Fixed safety areas that extended too far, which could result in some players keeping their no siege/determined buff.
- Changed the orange swords combat marker to show only if more than 25 people are in combat in the area.
- Fixed a bug with Durios Gulch that could cause guards to spawn on the wrong team.
- Fixed a bug on all Hills Keeps that could cause guards to spawn on the wrong team.
- Fixed an issue that allowed NPCs with Righteous Indignation to still take condition damage.
- Removed the ability to use many karma related items in WvW.
Items
- Food items that give special bonuses upon a critical hit now have an internal cooldown before they can produce the special bonus again.
Skills
- Reduced the number of maximum of stacks of Retaliation allowed to five (was 25). Duration still stacks.
- Using stealth no longer resets NPC aggression tables.
Thief
- Cloak and Dagger: The player can no longer use this ability stack stealth by attacking WvW walls.
Ranger
- Guard: Pets will no longer guard areas that should be inaccessible to them.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Game-Update-Notes-February-26-2013/first#post1514186
No more safe zones in the PK camps will hopefully make a few people happy. Finally the guards get fixed after months of complaints. No more damaging the NPCs with Righteous Indignation any longer. That will make for some interesting changes to how people approach camps now.
(edited by Burl.9567)
I just hope these SoS transfers don’t flee BG if BG ever does poorly. It seems that quite a few SoS guilds have left, but I haven’t seen this happen to JQ, BG, Kain, etc. Those servers gained guilds, not lost. That’s why I asked how many of the guilds that are transferring now were transfers to SoS when they were #1 vs how many of those guilds transferring now were on SoS at launch. My guess is the ones transferring now were not on SoS at launch and just transfer around to the server that they think will be victorious server at the time.
Exception – I’m fairly positive MERC was always on SoS but with Jedahs leaving GW2, I get the feeling it was kinda Jedahs that kept MERC on SoS, but since he’s gone, this is what happens.
I doubt BG will do poorly this time around in T1. If SoR continue to sit around and do nothing to try to convince some new guilds, they will be the 3rd wheel in T1 fighting for leftovers.
You act as though SoR didn’t talk to these guilds. Unfortunately, it comes down to two factors. First, AGG and FoE already went to BG and these guilds have that raport with those guilds. Second, all the above guilds including AGG and FoE are leary of jumping from server to server when they are in the same tier.
Am I the only SoR player that is watching this like it is a tennis match? Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth between SoS and JQ.
SoS guilds that are leaving, throw some love at SoR will ya???
Sucks to see what is happening to SoS. SoR really respects and enjoys the competition on SoS. SoR wishes you guys well on whatever happens whether that be staying on SoS or making the journey to another server.
The thing that bugs me is the ability to port them back to the PK if they are out of combat. Mesmer portals are fine.
What would happen to scoring if NOBODY captured camps, towers, keeps, or SM? ALL week long. Nothing but hide and seek, open field battles, skirmishes and running about. Interesting to think about.
I’d support this. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Better yet. The entire map is one giant JP.
Hmm, new thread, clean so far
I can post in this one.
Good luck to all three servers in the next match. May you get the game you are hoping for, whatever that might be.
You won’t be here past page 2…
Score Update for those of you at work…
WvW: JQ v SoS v SoR Forum Score Update:
Keyboard Warriors: 351,001 (550+)
TC&BG Posters: 51,333 (100+)
People looking for Uncontested Balth Thread: 1,045 (45+)
YES….my team is dominating!!!
That being said, and please don’t take this as a “my ego is bigger than yours” post, I seriously believe that if BG’s oceanic coverage gap were to be filled, hint hint, than BG would easily go neck and neck against JQ.
The same can be said for SoS and SoR as well. I think a SoS – SoR – BG fight would be a great matchup. Unfortunately, we will never see it.
1. If said server has the realistic option to switch maps, then obviously the maps are not full with queues. Your statement here is incoherent.
The point was not that every server in t1 always has full queues on all maps during primetime. The point was that they had the potential numbers there: the assertion that SoS or SoR are hopelessly outmanned by JQ during NA prime time is either false, or now true due to people giving up (i.e. lacking tenacity).
SoR has never stated we are outmanned during NA primetime. We openly acknowledge that is our strongest coverage. It just takes us so long to get up there in the 350+ ppt because JQ starts with everything upgraded to the hilt because of FOO. It takes us a while to widdle supply down and eventually take fully upgraded and defended keeps. Luckily our non US coverage has been doing an outstanding job lately minimizing it as much as they can.
We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…
Well if we leave it’s either
1. we’ve already won the match and are just running XP/Karma trains
or
2. SoR’s concentrated all of its forces on one borderland in one giant amorphous blob, and since we care about PPT AND fights, one of the groups on the border splits out to another one to cap all your kitten.This is called “strategy.” We routinely laugh our kitten off as your giant blob fails to cap anything more on this map while losing everything else your server owns. You may claim that your victories in your one big group mean you’re more skilled players, but some people may think that the ability to divide forces into smaller groups and cap more objectives is another indicator of server skill. Crazy, I know.
So….since you already won the match this week, it clearly isn’t option number 2. So it must be option 1. So since all of SoR is in one “giant amorphous blob” as you put it the train must not be producing the Karma/XP like you want. huh….wonder why that is.
You don’t leave the keeps to have these so called “fights”.
Dunno who you been fighting against, but when I fight with PRX, SF, or AoS, we don’t hide in keeps.
Unless we’re holed up in someones garry on another borderlands and they keep throwing themselves at us, we don’t really have the option of leaving at that point. Not that we’d want to, what with all the bags and all.
We see you guys around….but then you leave after 30 mins or so. Not sure why…
The sweet irony of anyone on SoS complaining about JQ’s SEA coverage. Can’t count the the number of times I logged on the next day to see any progress my group had made wiped aside by SoS’s Oceanics.
Beating a dead horse: Coverage is part of WvW. Superior coverage gets you fortified keeps. What I don’t get is if SoR really only cares about the fights like they’re so insistent on claiming, why such constant whining about PPT and coverage? Less QQ, moar pew pew.
You don’t leave the keeps to have these so called “fights”.
But, but, I thought the weekends were when everything is equal?!
Lol, “when I played with them”…“when we were there”… Ugh guys. Servers change, people change. We still brawl quite well, we still have many small guilds that go to WvW, we still fight open field, and yes (as weird as it is) we still like the ppt. The ppt is what’s kept us in T1.
lol, cant brawl when your behind your fully fortified walls every night. Hope Foo is happy with carrying your server.
I was just going to type this. Foo is a great guild and really carries the JQ server. The JQ crew has really gotten fat and lazy behind their fully fortified keeps.