Guild Wars 2

Akaji.1296:

Score affects the magnitude of a world’s rating change – e.g. losing by 10,000 score will reduce your world’s rating more than losing by 1,000 score. Source.

The OP’s complaint is largely unfounded; score matters regardless of who wins.

That said, this does bring up a good point: information is not readily available for players in WvW. I’d like to see a tab in the new WvW window (which is an excellent addition!) called ‘Help’, ‘WvW Information’, or something similar. This tab should have

• general information about WvW – “What is it?”, “How do I participate?”, “Why are there 4 battlegrounds?”, an explanation of the user interface elements, etc.
• specific information about the battlefield – “What is a tower?”, “What is a keep?”, “What is a castle?”, “What are siege weapons?” etc., incl. point-per-period information.
• complex information about WvW – “How is a world’s rating calculated?”, “How does score affect a world’s rating?”, etc.
• (not necessary, but convenient) a list of world rankings.

(Yes, I’m aware that some of this information is available from the WvW training characters, but that isn’t very helpful – it isn’t accessible to fresh players who have never been to WvW and don’t know about it or how to get to it; it doesn’t provide a quick reference; and it lacks a lot of important information like score, rating, etc.)

Losing rating due to the glicko system isn’t going to motivate me. Look at tier 1. If BG lost by 100k or 10k, they are still in tier 1. They aren’t going anywhere. Why should I care if I lost 40 rating or 4? Besides, most players don’t look at the glicko. They look at the match score to make a determination on whether they are going to play. Hide the score so no one sees it and they are much more willing to play.

Players need more motivation that losing a few glicko points, especially when the tiers rarely change nowadays.

Rangers will get nerfed. They are clearly the cream of the crop when it comes to classes.

VOLKON.1290:

Burl.9567:

I guess I don’t see how you can make the score relevant. You will still see the same issues.

I don’t see the difference between “We are down by 70k” and “If we achieve 200k by the end of the match we get this achievement, but we are short by 70k”. In either instance, you have zero reason to show up as the outcome is likely sealed.

In the end, I don’t think the overall problem is the carrot at the end. I think the problem is we are already beaten so what is the point.

There’s a difference between being beaten and playing like it.

I don’t disagree with you. But outside of the core WvW guilds, you lose a lot of participation as the week goes on. I’d rather have 7 days of meaningful play than 4.

I guess I don’t see how you can make the score relevant. You will still see the same issues.

I don’t see the difference between “We are down by 70k” and “If we achieve 200k by the end of the match we get this achievement, but we are short by 70k”. In either instance, you have zero reason to show up as the outcome is likely sealed.

In the end, I don’t think the overall problem is the carrot at the end. I think the problem is we are already beaten so what is the point.

This issue was brought up quite a while ago right after release (and I’m sure since then) but I feel it may be a good point to bring this up again since the game been out for a while.

I’d like to propose to have the overall match score (maybe even ppt) from the interface. By Wednesday, most matchups are already decided. That leaves 3 days of rather lackluster quality of play. There is no sense of urgency to anything. Often times in TS or on map chat you will hear people say, “Well, we are already locked in for 2nd, who cares”. This will also give your WvW leaderboards some actual meaning now because we will want to know what happened in the past week. How well did we fare? Keeping the scores hidden will keep the “casual/fair-weather” players playing because they feel like they have something to fight for and are making progress. When you log in and see that you are down 70k, you really have little to no motivation to show up.

Maybe we could get some perspective from Devon on this one?

Churchill.8714:

covenn.7165:

Rawnoodles.1398:

Organized guilds running during NA time
SoR

• Choo: 40+
• TW/TWL 50+
• TSYM: 60+
• SHAP : 40+
• SSQ : 25+
• FEAR: 50+
• SIN: 20+
• CDS: 20+
• HIRE: 15+

TW doesn’t field anything even remotely close to 50. Like I said, at peak we are 15-25 people total each night. I think I would have much better perspective about that than you considering I know first hand. We don’t even have that many active players, even if you do throw in the recruit guild of people applying for membership. I do appreciate ou thinking we have 50 people though :p

I don’t think I have ever seen SSQ or SHAP tags to be honest. When do they play?

TW/TWL doesn’t even have 50 active members let alone 50 people online at the same time between them.

jojojoon.8607:

covenn.7165:

jojojoon.8607:

Grats on getting 300-400+ ppt for long stretches every day because neither of your opponents have the people to throw at your zerg. Seriously, you need to stop the nonsense posts.

So, were you on 24/7 on every borderland to know for a fact that both SOR and BG are constantly outmanned? Or was this just a nonsense post because you didn’t “see” what really happened during those time zones on both BG and SOR on every map.

sigh You really don’t understand the difference do you. Think about it a little more perhaps.

I never said anyone was out manned on every borderland. Your words, not mine …as you can clearly see above.

“because neither of your opponents have the people”

I think you know what he means, you are just being difficult.

Rawnoodles.1398:

Burl.9567:

Cynillus.1642:

Good to see our enemies are playing a fair game.

http://i.imgur.com/rNUACh0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KNJboKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LtVBO39.jpg

EMP is notorious for this. They have said, multiple times, that they do not view this as an exploit and that they view this as legit play. Can’t say I agree.

EMP is a 24/7 wvw guild and we can’t always account for all 400 active members and some of the new commanders that are leading during those time zones. Thanks for addressing this, we have dealt with this issue accordingly.

Also, to my knowledge this was the 2nd occurance.

Like always we take cheating very seriously in our guild. Let me know if stuff like this happens again.

Thanks for the response Noodles, much appreciated.

covenn.7165:

Burl.9567:

Cynillus.1642:

Good to see our enemies are playing a fair game.

http://i.imgur.com/rNUACh0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KNJboKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LtVBO39.jpg

EMP is notorious for this. They have said, multiple times, that they do not view this as an exploit and that they view this as legit play. Can’t say I agree.

I have to say that is intentional exploiting as well. I find it very hard to believe that Anet intended for people to be rezzed through doors.

Their reasoning at the time as to why it was fine was because catapults could catapult through the doors. This isn’t the case any longer and has since been fixed. I would think they would get that this is indeed not intended play.

Cynillus.1642:

Good to see our enemies are playing a fair game.

http://i.imgur.com/rNUACh0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KNJboKl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LtVBO39.jpg

EMP is notorious for this. They have said, multiple times, that they do not view this as an exploit and that they view this as legit play. Can’t say I agree.

Didji.4973:

Burl.9567:

DevonCarver.5370:

insanemaniac.2456:

can you do something about it resetting your maximum supply to 10 when you pick it up while holding 15?

We can look into it. I was unaware it did that. Any chance you can give me a more detailed explanation so I can have QA track that down?

I thought that was fixed? Was it not?

Something that was recently fixed is the bug that prevented you to take 5 more supplies from a guild-buffed camp if you already had 10.

The bug that resets your supplies from 15 to 10 after killing a dolyak is still active (happened to me last week again).

That must be what I’m thinking of then. Carry on.

DevonCarver.5370:

insanemaniac.2456:

can you do something about it resetting your maximum supply to 10 when you pick it up while holding 15?

We can look into it. I was unaware it did that. Any chance you can give me a more detailed explanation so I can have QA track that down?

I thought that was fixed? Was it not?

DevonCarver.5370:

Agreed. We need to figure out how we want to handle this, however, so I can’t say when we’ll do something about it or what the nature of the solution will be.

Put a mini pet in the store that sells for 2k gems. This mini pet picks up all your bags automagically. You would have a gold mine with this.

DKNS.2135:

Burl.9567:

DKNS.2135:

Burl.9567:

DKNS.2135:

covenn.7165:

cosmicegg.8502:

Just wondering, SoR youve been t1 for about 3 months. have you ever beaten JQ once?

If you want to beat JQ you have to have 24 hour coverage for an entire week. You either need the coverage, or you need to have numerous people putting their lives on hold to put long hours into the game like BG did the week they won.

Oh, and we haven’t been in T1 for 3 months….

Oh please, like you haven’t done overtimes while you have been in T1. But it’s all understandable, you can’t go against the wishes of your masters now can you ?? No worries, the 3rd server will always be there to show you how to beat the NA#1 server.

The day I feel the need to do overtime in a game is the day I walk away from it. Overtime = Work. I do enough of that during the week that I’m not about to do it outside of my normal work schedule.

I don’t know about any of the other major guilds, but I know mine hasn’t done “overtime”.

So then what proof does SoR have of BG overtiming and “numerous people putting their lives on hold” ??

Considering you haven’t repeated it or come close to duplicating those results outside of that 3 day window??? Gee….wonder where I would have gotten that idea?

You are forgetting that BG was winning over SoR for weeks before the win. And now SoR are winning so i can safely conclude that SoR are overtiming for 2 weeks now. Makes sense, right ??

Ever since your push, BG has been in a slow and steady decline (that graph made earlier in the thread proves that much). You blew your wad and now you burned out a lot of your players. Everyone warned you guys what would happen but you just sat there on your high pedestal and said it would never happen to your server. Well, guess what?

DKNS.2135:

Burl.9567:

DKNS.2135:

covenn.7165:

cosmicegg.8502:

Just wondering, SoR youve been t1 for about 3 months. have you ever beaten JQ once?

If you want to beat JQ you have to have 24 hour coverage for an entire week. You either need the coverage, or you need to have numerous people putting their lives on hold to put long hours into the game like BG did the week they won.

Oh, and we haven’t been in T1 for 3 months….

Oh please, like you haven’t done overtimes while you have been in T1. But it’s all understandable, you can’t go against the wishes of your masters now can you ?? No worries, the 3rd server will always be there to show you how to beat the NA#1 server.

The day I feel the need to do overtime in a game is the day I walk away from it. Overtime = Work. I do enough of that during the week that I’m not about to do it outside of my normal work schedule.

I don’t know about any of the other major guilds, but I know mine hasn’t done “overtime”.

So then what proof does SoR have of BG overtiming and “numerous people putting their lives on hold” ??

Considering you haven’t repeated it or come close to duplicating those results outside of that 3 day window??? Gee….wonder where I would have gotten that idea?

DKNS.2135:

covenn.7165:

cosmicegg.8502:

Just wondering, SoR youve been t1 for about 3 months. have you ever beaten JQ once?

If you want to beat JQ you have to have 24 hour coverage for an entire week. You either need the coverage, or you need to have numerous people putting their lives on hold to put long hours into the game like BG did the week they won.

Oh, and we haven’t been in T1 for 3 months….

Oh please, like you haven’t done overtimes while you have been in T1. But it’s all understandable, you can’t go against the wishes of your masters now can you ?? No worries, the 3rd server will always be there to show you how to beat the NA#1 server.

The day I feel the need to do overtime in a game is the day I walk away from it. Overtime = Work. I do enough of that during the week that I’m not about to do it outside of my normal work schedule.

I don’t know about any of the other major guilds, but I know mine hasn’t done “overtime”.

KeeZee.7312:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/2-22-JQ-SoR-SoS/first

Going thru this thread and it seems the same SoR forum warriors are complaining about other servers being stacked, getting 2v1, and other servers have a poor community.

And they had the nerve to say it was BG that caused all the kitten threads.

Jahn.7019
Blackgate is probably the new super server. They have all the coverage filled including the highly coveted “euro slot”, which no other server has.

I’m sure they’ll do just fine, JQ better stay sharp because they are coming to dethrone you.

You have an unhealthy obsession with SoR.

Otokomae.9356:

Burl.9567:

DevonCarver.5370:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Fror.2163:

It’s a fact not really well known over here, but Glicko 2 works better when the same opponents don’t fight every week. It is sane to have the lower ranked guys sometimes play against middle-ranked guys as a kind of “poll”, just to check that the lower guy has not improved his skills.

While that makes sense in theory, it would result in matches that are total blowouts and where most of the player base drops out early in the match.

Which would not be fun and not really give you valid information. Also, every blown match results in a few players quitting WvW altogether.

That’s our current assessment as well, which is why it’s going to take more work to decide what we really want to do here. Speaking for myself, I think we need to change some of the mechanics of scoring to more accurately reflect what we want people doing in the game, which would hopefully get us tighter matches. There are any number of possible ways to deal with this however, which makes it a paradox of choice to a certain degree. Rest assured we have top men working on it! And me. :P

One thing I think that would be cool is to incorporate player kills/deaths into the scoring in some fashion. When a group of 20 wipes a 60 man zerg, they should get something for that. Perhaps for every 10 deaths your server receives in WvW, you lose 1 point from your score or something along those lines.

If it requires that an outmanned group wipes a larger force for points, that’s one thing, but otherwise this system HEAVILY favors that 60-man czerg you have listed above; for every time that group of 20 wipes a 60-man zerg, the 60-man czerg will likely wipe dozens of groups of 20 or so, giving them an even larger lead in the score. We have enough things built into the points system to give bonus points for zerging already:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Clarification-needed-please-Dolyak-points/first

I think it actually discourages the zerg in my opinion. You ever gone to vale or lowlands to attempt to take a camp only to have the zerg flow out before you can cap it? It doesn’t matter how many people you kill, they just keep coming back. We farm that group….A LOT. It’s better than CoF…I swear. That type of zerg mentality will be punished under this as you will be losing points for your server.

Sure you can cheat the system, but the cheating (if any) will be minimal at best and likely won’t affect the score in the grand scheme of things. Who would take that much time to run a character out of a PK to get ganked over and over again.

In the end, I think this type of scoring mechanic favors the more organized and better playing server as opposed to the zerg. Isn’t that what we are looking for in the end? The better server with the better players wins?

DevonCarver.5370:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

Fror.2163:

It’s a fact not really well known over here, but Glicko 2 works better when the same opponents don’t fight every week. It is sane to have the lower ranked guys sometimes play against middle-ranked guys as a kind of “poll”, just to check that the lower guy has not improved his skills.

While that makes sense in theory, it would result in matches that are total blowouts and where most of the player base drops out early in the match.

Which would not be fun and not really give you valid information. Also, every blown match results in a few players quitting WvW altogether.

That’s our current assessment as well, which is why it’s going to take more work to decide what we really want to do here. Speaking for myself, I think we need to change some of the mechanics of scoring to more accurately reflect what we want people doing in the game, which would hopefully get us tighter matches. There are any number of possible ways to deal with this however, which makes it a paradox of choice to a certain degree. Rest assured we have top men working on it! And me. :P

One thing I think that would be cool is to incorporate player kills/deaths into the scoring in some fashion. When a group of 20 wipes a 60 man zerg, they should get something for that. Perhaps for every 10 deaths your server receives in WvW, you lose 1 point from your score or something along those lines.

dragon.8625:

70+, the new face of GoF? we’re coming for ya >;/

Let us know when you get here. :/

renmei.3102:

Lets not count BG out so fast, who knows what is going behind the scenes among their wvw guilds is temporary or permanent. Only when they get crushed 2 weeks in a row and dropping points fast will I call them imploded. They might just take SOR’s spot of lacking coverage but still be a solid 3rd putting up a good fight or they might bounce back.

…or drop to tier 6.

If you are standing in front of the ballista at close range, you can get hit by many of the bolts causing massive damage.

Thundar.3910:

Phase 2 Initiated:

Bravo. Alpha. Eleven. Tango.

I repeat

Bravo. Alpha. Eleven. Tango.

/wave/flaunt

Roger Roger

Confirmation Code: 1. Lima. Romeo. Sierra. 2. Lima. Tango. Whiskey. Zulu. 5. 3.

Sphere.2076:

Its a numbers game and some poeple dont understand that maybe 10% is skill based on the rare occasion fights are equal. Once ESO starts to pick up WvWvW will rebalance again. I just hope the ESO people have learn from the problems we face in wvw.

I’m afraid the dip we see from ESO will only be temporary. Not the place for the discussion here, but it will be interesting to watch what happens. The thing GW2 has going for it is that the game is free to play. It’s so easy to come back and pick it up again.

Fuzzion.2504:

Asian timezone update

They are talking about programming in guild chat. They are clearly altering the game client. EMP HACKERS!!!

Ascii.9726:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=372_rx5g1Zw

Killing both BG and JQ alike.

I love the 2:58 mark on that video.

Israel.7056:

Burl.9567:

If you were thinking critically, you would stop with the stupid 2v1 talk. It’s getting old BG.

If you were thinking critically (and reading the thread) you would realize I’m neither Blackgate server itself nor am I complaining about 2v1s.

You are arguing with a guy who is arguing with a guy about 2v1. Are you not, by extension, arguing about 2v1 then? If you aren’t, then why respond to the topic at all?

Israel.7056:

All that video demonstrates is that they’ve fought SoR, not necessarily that they’ve fought SoR more than BG. We cannot know from watching that video who they’ve been fighting more. Whether or not the fights they show were the “best” or more “memorable” is irrelevant.

Critical thinking.

If you were thinking critically, you would stop with the stupid 2v1 talk. It’s getting old BG.

DevonCarver.5370:

I don’t have access to the exact numbers at home, but I do know that the points do not change based on the number of people that receive credit.

UPDATE: JK everyone, I misread this post and have now contributed to the confusion. I thought the OP was asking about World XP. The points rewarded to the score for Dolyak kills are indeed variable depending on the number of players involved.

To be quite frank, that is the dumbest idea ever. That’s the same as awarding multiple points for a keep based on how many people took it. Why should a yak (a solitary single objective) award points variably based on the number of attackers? A yak should be no different than a sentry.

Variable points for objectives caters to the larger server and the zerg.

Esoteric.5490:

Burl.9567:

Please bring KnT over to the SoR BL. We are quite tired of the BG guild(s) that you are sending there. At least we know KnT will turn and fight.

According to some, they only ever see our backs. Maybe they are talking about seeing us leave to another objective from their death screen

I’ll see what I can do, but no promises

Maybe we will come to you. I think we are in for a change of scenery.

Joey.2769:

Vertigo.1470:

Azure.8412:

SmokeyNYY.7841:

Azure.8412:

Hello guys. we sincerely appreciate all your responses. We have decided to move to SoR on the 8th of April.

happy to have you guys on SoR

hope this isn’t an april fools joke or anything!!

We would have been the april fools not to go to SoR. We look forward to working with you guys on the battlefield.

Nothing has been finalized yet.

Hey Burl….you might read the above. Vertigo was the OP so if he stated nothing finalized I guess I should take him at his word.

Sorry, I assumed the AFS members who were responding with their destination would be in the know on the matter.

Esoteric.5490:

Garrison was madness last night. What I think Pinot (Thresher) was referring to is the meager organized numbers we had. Very difficult to fend off roughly 80+ enemies with about 40 organized and 40 with the predictability of a herd of cats. No doubt the numbers were even, but it made life hard going. The fight was basically a stalemate up until you all decided to sell. I feel like that was the turning point. [SG], [SF], and [WARD] all on the same map sure made us feel special given that you are 3 of the 4 guilds I consider to be very talented from your server

Other people may get upset about an unorganized 2v1 from current map conditions and even more would get upset if it were organized, but all I can say is, “Bring it on.”

Here on Blackgate, being the gateway to the underworld, we’ve been to hell and back already, so all a 2v1 means is twice the potential bags in a map.

Please bring KnT over to the SoR BL. We are quite tired of the BG guild(s) that you are sending there. At least we know KnT will turn and fight.

Joey.2769:

So Vertigo when can we expect a final decision?

They are going to SoR. It’s been stated multiple times in this thread.

urzen.7096:

JCH.4198:

You know SoR is is losing to BG by 20k+ when the SoR trolls start creeping onto the forums talking about how bad the BG community is…. LOL

I recall BG whining about 2v1 all last week.

They are so good now that they have beaten it back and we are all cowering in our respective PKs.

warsock.7830:

Hey guys,
Just want to say.. Why not create a t1 community that does not have to trash talk?
Its been seriously fun and the fights have been great here. SoR! holy crap you guys have gotten soo much better, and JQ you sure can stop around when you want to. Is anyone not having fun? I don’t understand all the trolling for no reason. Blackgate goes through crap all the time but never waivers. Our TS is full of positive people who just want to have a good time. No hard feelings, no kitten talking, and next to no elitist. The more time we waste on the forums bashing each other and churning the rumor mill in hopes of poaching a guild here and there and psyching people out, the less time we have to plan GvG’s and represent our guilds in game. I personally hope all three servers stay in t1 because there is no other real competition out there.
Anyways, love you guys, I hope its just a few bad seeds from every server making all the hate and sillyness.

Anyone down for GvG this friday?

-Warsock [ICoa] Arch Duke/ Commander.

GvG was SOOOOOO preculling fix.

UnknownFreak.2805:

Well the tower never got capped in the first pic either, we defended it.

Must be a bug in the coding determining when the ring should be up or not. I personally have only seen it after a cap, but I don’t doubt there have been other instances where it popped up.

Hoots.9564:

Amazing how many hours and time BG has to pour into WvW just to stay competitive in T1. Everyone claimed SoR went out in force last week but in reality we played normal hours on a normal schedule and still beat BG. JQ on the other hand lost one week from the try-hard BG and went out in force last week, but the end result I’m sure showed JQ’ers that its not even required to go full force to take BG out. I’m starting to think that BG as a server does not understand how the elo system works, when you push for 1st and then come back the week after and not maintain the same ppt/end result, you end up losing points. This week it looks as if they are gonna push for 1st again, which again makes no sense with the current system because they will not be able to maintain 1st in t1 with JQ around. Might be time for BG to start playing smart, and within there own limts. At this point BG is shaping up to be the next server to burn themselves out with all this try-hard they are doing. Hint the fact JQ and SoR are taking bets on how long BG can survive in T1

Feeling the need to pour all those extra hours into a matchup, leads many to believe that you are trying to show the casuals/individuals on the fence of leaving that you can compete and that they should stay. The up and down score totals turns off your casuals and the core wvw players on the fence see right through it. They know you are just going to burn out sooner rather than later.

Edit: The fact 4 BG responded to this within a few minutes, leads me to believe they are on damage control.

When so many BG come out of the woodwork on the forums when someone says something bad, you know something is up.

This has nothing to do with the breakout. This happens when the keep is capped and the lord is rezzed at the same time. We’ve had this happen in gari and hills before as well.

Fuzzion.2504:

Made another WvW friend today. Took a pic, dueled some and had fun.

Where’s FEAR???

Zen.8497:

Burl.9567:

Zen.8497:

Interesting paradox that SoR is growing stronger not yet showing and BG quite the opposite…

Yes…let’s draw conclusions from a holiday weekend and paint them as fact.

There was a holiday weekend on all servers… but only 2 celebrated.
My thoughts are that BG is trying to prove they are still going strong and nothing happened.

When a server has to put in “extra hours” to prove something, that isn’t a good sign. That leads to very up and down weeks and tends to frustrate players more than motivate.

Zen.8497:

Interesting paradox that SoR is growing stronger not yet showing and BG quite the opposite…

Yes…let’s draw conclusions from a holiday weekend and paint them as fact.

Wotah.2975:

Burl.9567:

urzen.7096:

I don’t know about yall, but this is getting kind of boring.

I almost prefer culling to what we have now. At least with culling the opposing server couldn’t hightail it the first chance they saw someone. I’m so tired of looking at the backsides of the JQ and BG players.

Or the front sides, from the safety of a keep!

Ok…I’ll give ya that one.

urzen.7096:

I don’t know about yall, but this is getting kind of boring.

I almost prefer culling to what we have now. At least with culling the opposing server couldn’t hightail it the first chance they saw someone. I’m so tired of looking at the backsides of the JQ and BG players.

Kurthos.2354:

Synyster.5894:

Jahn.7019:

Combining the holidays and the diminished game play with the fact that some BG guilds played 24 hours shifts, you guys put forth quite a display this weekend. But can you sustain it is the question.

Impressive if you can, silly to go that hard if you can’t.

No guild in Blackgate is doing 24hour shifts get off your little cry horse

Actually, we’re putting in the same 6/12/18+ hour shifts we did back on SoS… since Dragonbrand….. Since Beta.

Lies!! We all know you are pulling all nighters and shunning your family and commitments.

Zanthrax.6538:

DeadlyRush.1620:

This is my personal experience and not AFS but for me, Colin’s post about free transfer is a little useless. Seeing as how the new update on WvW will reward you if you ‘DO’ more WvW not PvDoor, transferring to a lower tier server is just counter productive.

That said, as an AFS member (not AFS as a whole) would just like to find more action. I am personally sad to leave SoS as we started here and stay the longest before even considering the option of transferring. I will leave the server judgement to Grekkz and will support him 100%. We worked with many guilds from around the world and they can vouch for us that we will make a difference in your server.

Please stay on topic and post the stuff required by Grekkz and we will look into it. Thanks.

respectable post mate….personally im completely biased because to be brutally honest i would love you guys to choose BG so we can seriously contend with JQ and make for a awesome t1 bout….that said from an unbiased as possible viewpoint i believe KN or SoR to be your best bets…just my personal opinion…regardless of your choice gl and most of all have fun…

i’d definitely recommend guesting on the servers your looking at and hang out with specific guilds not pugs….why i recommend this is because every server has trolls etc LA map chat etc. However maybe join soem guilds on guild missions…do some dungeons talk with people…if i was going i’d talk with not the guild leaders of every guild or PR if they have them etc….but higher up well established normal members….ask them a bunch of questions about their opponents and their server…..

They already chose their server. They are moving to SoR.

Yaks award points on where they are killed along their path. The closer they are to the destination, the more points you get. Number of players has nothing to do with it.

When ikittenerg, staff ele > D/D ele every time.

Cutekhaos.5489:

Coldviper.6794:

GoF, you guys should run all thieves since all you do is run. All you’re necro’s are just fun wiping.

People dying in WvW…. not a shocker.
Those same three Necros holding north gate while we flip Hills complete with SoR zerg, priceless.

I thought us jumping down from the cliff into the middle of your super zerg was even better…

warsock.7830:

Whats going on in SoR BL? Grow some guys. Everyone should fight for number 1 not just for a spot in tier 1. go hard in the paint! Fair fights all around are way more fun!

BG sure aint fighting for their spot.