Guild Wars 2

One more time for those who are a little slow.

When you created your character, there were 3 major aspects for why you chose the race that you did:

1. Overall appearance of the race
2. Racial abilities
3. Racial armor

Many humans (myself included) chose human over other races because we like the racial armor and being human was the only way to acquire that appearance. I would have rather made a norn with their more attractive faces, superior hairstyles and OP racial abilities if I could have had the same overall appearance with the same armor.

Fast forward 15 months.

ANet: We’re releasing human armor for everybody!
Humans: … Erm… what do we get?
ANet: You get to buy it too!
Humans: … I already have it… as my exclusive racial armor… for more than twice as much…
ANet: But now it has FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Humans: So now everyone can use our cultural armor, but we can’t use their’s?
ANet: DUDE!!! IT HAS FIRE ON IT!!! IT’S LITERALLY ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!
Humans: Yeah… about tha
ANet: FIRE!!! Did you get your burn on? Bros know when they get their burn on.
Humans: I guess…
ANet: No, bro. Bros know. BBBBBUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRNNNNN!!!
Humans: kitten you

Chaith.8256:

End of day 2, only 585 people tried team PvP on NA, as of 12:14AM EST since reset. EU has been fully ranked @ 1k+ for quite a bit now. *Cries. *

Look on the bright side, even if you’re terrible you can be in the top 1,000 and have forum cred for all of your opinions.

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It depends on builds and game mode. In sPvP, ele is in pretty good shape against D/D and P/D thieves. Their damage is limited by the game mode while your sustain is only slightly lower than WvW. Backstab isn’t going to hit you for 20k damage in sPvP, etc.

S/D thieves are stupidly broken right now because of their ability to escape with shadow return even when stunned and the never ending evade spam. This is being addressed on Dec. 10th, unless ANet punk out on their plans again like they did with revealed always being applied when you leave stealth.

In WvW, thieves are just broken. Their effective power is easily three times higher than in sPvP while your sustain is maybe 20% better. Not having objectives to contest and a huge map to fight over makes the thief’s job far easier. He can attack you anywhere without warning, and then stealth away and repeat until he gets lucky.

As far as ways to deal with thieves goes, it depends on your setup and their’s.

Heart seeker heroes can be kited if you keep them chilled. It cuts the range of heart seeker by more than half and wastes their initiative as they get excited and just really pound that 2 key. It’s not a terrible idea to let a thief heart seeker you when you’re at full health because of the low damage:initiative ratio (assuming you’re not glass, then every hit is fatal).

Don’t waste shocking aura just to get fury for your burst. It’s a powerful defensive tool that can break up his combo attacks.

Don’t go completely defensive when a thief bursts you. If you’re running around at half health doing nothing but healing, the thief is just going to be encourage to press you even harder. You need to cc and burst him back to force him to be more cautious. A two second stun is going to prevent more damage than you could possibly heal in that time. Sending him running with your burst damage is going to buy you the time to heal up and get your cooldowns.

Against D/D burst thieves the 1 2 .. dodge method can generally prevent their instant spike. It doesn’t work that way against D/P users, because they’re not trying to land cloak and dagger just as stealth expires. You have to constantly move and deny them your back. When I see a thief stacking stealth preparing to attack me, I go into spaz mode and change my facing as rapidly as possible. It works for the most part and I rarely get hit in the back by a backstab from a thief that I know is there. With permastealthers, youcan’t know or anticipate when they’re going to strike because stealth is… permanent. Randomly dodging is just a waste of resources against them.

If you’re Sc/D, use your air and earth blinds intelligently. Don’t just spam them when they’re off cooldown. You can blind a Sw/D thief’s larcenous strike, allowing you to attack him instead of being forced to evade to save your boons.

If a thief drops shadow refuge and you don’t have AoE off cooldown to punish him for sitting in it, it’s not a bad idea to just leave the area. He can only travel so far before that stealth wears off, and you just sitting around waiting for him to attack you is playing into his game. Same for thieves’ guild. Condi spammers will pull out thieves’ guild to add direct damage to their condi pressure. I like to just kite away or LoS until I can either kill the adds or they expire.

Never run directly away from a D/* thief. He can activate backstab and then steal to you for a guaranteed full damage backstab. Strafe and keep your back pointed away from where you think he is approaching from.

KOPPER.1458:

This sounds like my nephews Tee ball games where they don’t keep score because everyone is a winner… rofl

Sports have a set number of players on the field per team to make it a fair and competitive environment where the team with the better players win.

WvW looks like this:

Stacking on the most over populated server in your tier doesn’t deserve rewards; it deserves ridicule.

Regina Buenaobra.6193:

Although the Flamekissed Armor uses the same mesh as the Tier 3 Human Cultural Armor, it was not our intention to create an armor skin that so closely matched the existing Tier 3 Human Cultural armor set. The intention was to use the mesh as a basis for creating an armor set that stands apart and is distinct in appearance.

You’ve just insulted the intelligence of every person who read this.

You don’t spit in people’s faces and then tell them it’s raining when they get mad. You apologize for the insult and admit that your action was wrong. Trying to act like this was an innocent mistake makes you look even worse.

T3 human armor (all kinds) are among the most desirable and distinctive skins in the game. Nobody who has played the game for a month saw that skin and thought anything other than “hey, T3 human with fire!” ANet knew exactly what they were doing when they did this, and to try to brush it off as an innocent mistake in not making it visually distinctive from cultural armor is complete BS.

You and your entire company should be ashamed of this blatantly dishonest response to your customer’s outrage.

0/10

They reset the PvP leader boards without actually fixing a single one of the issues that made them completely meaningless to begin with.

I hate fraggals.

I hate Scarlet anywhere, but 10x more in a fraggal.

I hate ANet dropping a Cleveland Steamer on human scholars, especially those who wanted to get to rank 80 in sPvP to wear cultural some day. That’s something that still hasn’t been done 15 months into the game, so to take a dump on that achievement and give the same thing to every rank 1 newb with a credit card is horse kitten.

DevonCarver.5370:

I can’t comment at this time as we haven’t finalized anything. (…)The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.

Why would the terribads who tanked their rating and stacked the top of silver league get better rewards than the people who fought tooth and nail to get into gold league?

This is the sort of thing that makes everyone shake their head and ask why you have a job.

Some other armors I would like to see.

It’s ok, ANet. Everyone makes mistakes. Now give me Snow Leopard on my human ele to make up for it.

How about some tasteful wizard robes? No?

http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=546#modelviewer:10+1
http://www.wowhead.com/itemset=-62#modelviewer:10+1

Why would anyone take GW2 PvP seriously when the dominant builds are the easiest to play? The competitive PvP scene in this game is a joke and I haven’t bothered to do tPvP since I gave away my EU account in April.

No idea how to get those, but you can now buy R80 light armor for $10 on the gem store.

Vena.8436:

Caffynated.5713:

You’ve obviously never seen snow leopard in WvW. It’ better than ele class elites.

Huge gap closers/escapes and stealth is crazy good.

You’ve obviously never used Fiery Greatsword? I’m not sure what this discussion is even about anymore.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_norn_racial_skills#Become_the_Snow_Leopard

The norn elite has two movement abilities on 10 second cooldowns with 600 and 1600 range, and it gives stealth for 5 seconds on a 10 second cooldown.

Vena.8436:

Caffynated.5713:

Between the armor and transmutation stones, you spent more than twice as much for cultural armor than it costs to buy it off the gem store and you don’t even have to play a race with terrible racials to get it.

When does my human get Norn cultural and Snow leopard?

Why would I ever use racial skills?

My armor is not on fire… and I don’t cry whenever something I bought goes on sale.

You’ve obviously never seen snow leopard in WvW. It’ better than ele class elites.

Huge gap closers/escapes and stealth is crazy good.

Vena.8436:

I have several T3 armors… why would I care if they went into the gemstore? Did my armors suddenly get deleted in the process? If they start adding other races so that my humans can wear that armor, then good for me because it gives me some armor sets I’ve wanted for ages.

Between the armor and transmutation stones, you spent more than twice as much for cultural armor than it costs to buy it off the gem store and you don’t even have to play a race with terrible racials to get it.

When does my human get Norn cultural and Snow leopard?

I’ve spent my last dollar on GW2. This is a slap in the face to everyone who rolled human, gave up actual good elites and spent twice as much money to buy T3 human cultural.

I’ll go with JQQ. Those kids are like a walking bag piñata and challenge my inventory management skills every time we fight them.

Zenith.7301:

All arcane traits and no stun breaker. That build you showed on the video will go down faster than a prom dress, especially to a warrior with the CC chains.

You also act like targets will just sit there and eat the burning speed and fire grab, some of the most telegraphed skills in the game.

Most eles are already running arcane blast, wave and either arcane shield or lightning flash. It’s not exactly a revolutionary concept.

As far as getting hit by burning speed, and FG, the golem was dead before it stood back up from updraft. 22k damage vs. 2.6k armor before you can stand up is not pathetic damage. It’s stun break or die.

Wintel.4873:

The same is not true for Ele. Going 30 Earth to pick up Diamond Skin leaves the Ele in a VERY awkward place. 30 Arcana is still mandatory, leaving 10 free points and a mess of a build that will deal pathetic damage…because all the power/damage traits are sitting in Air. What’s the point?

I haven’t talked with one competent ele who thinks this trait is anything but broken.

The sad thing is, the devs seem to love it and bad players even think 90% is weak or even worthless.

Please rethink this trait.

15 of them bad boys right chere.

Tibstrike.2974:

The meteor shower exploit he is talking about is something many eles use to get more damage out of meteor shower. It’s not really an exploit. Basically you cast Meteor Shower and then use your Tornado elite to boost your damage as the Tornado form gives buffs to your power, precision, and vitality. It doubles all of them so you can get some pretty huge numbers if you want.

That works with pretty much any transform and persistent effect. Necros are even better at it with wells and lich form.

There should be a server wide pot based on where your server finished. The pot would be divided up among however many people finished the achievement.

So Badgegate would get 100k gold divided among 10k people.
Magswag would get 85k gold divided among 300 people.

Zenith.7301:

Caffynated.5713:

Zenith.7301:

Darnis.4056:

They released a new heal skill for PVE.

That nobody uses because

a) 25 skill points is BS when you could turn that into gold.

b) The heal is terrible. It’s pretty much a consume conditions with a 30 sec cd and lower health return. It’s really bad.

It’s a group heal.

Healing Spring heals more than it does. So does shout heal warrior for that matter or engineer turret.

Apparently I was wrong. Allies are only healed for 500 for each condition removed. It’s terrible.

That’s what I get for believing ANet is a competent company that can accurately describe what a skill/trait does.

So cute that you think the reward item will be green. That’s PvE level rewards, bro.

You’ll get a pair of superior blue pants with no upgrade slot.

Zenith.7301:

Darnis.4056:

They released a new heal skill for PVE.

That nobody uses because

a) 25 skill points is BS when you could turn that into gold.

b) The heal is terrible. It’s pretty much a consume conditions with a 30 sec cd and lower health return. It’s really bad.

It’s a group heal.

DeWolfe.2174:

Hammer Warriors weren’t meta for a long time.

Hammer trains have been meta since launch.

You’re there for the fields you provide, CC and damage. The amount healed by combos is based on the healing power of the person doing the blasting, not the person who dropped the field.

Wear zerker if you’re a skilled player who isn’t worthless rally bait. Play a necro if you’re bad.

None of the other classes have the balance of damage, survivability and control that those three do. Heavy classes have just stupid survivability to damage ratios and necros are like eles with 4x the health, and the ability to pop their elite and make themselves almost unkillable for 20 seconds (dat blind).

Ignoring that the necro face tanked for 20 seconds (#balance), immob stacking is stupidly broken.

gebrechen.5643:

I still like the warhammer medium armor class on order side. They had a stealth too but had to use it with caution and the class wasn’t completely build around that stealth.

WAR was a good example of what stealth should be. It was used to get into position to attack vulnerable targets, not as a zero skill defense and get out of jail free card. You also lost action points (initiative in GW2) while in stealth and didn’t have stupid burst from stealth.

If you played poorly and walked in front of people, they could see you and attack you.

Think I’m going to play my WE tonight on test. RIP WAR.

“Warrior” isn’t OP. You can easily trait/gear one and be at a huge disadvantage. Start by copying a competitive build. Start with something tanky until you’re comfortable with the playstyle.

Playing every class isn’t necessarily a good thing. You should focus on mastering your chosen class and play the others enough to understand how they work. As you play your class more, you will be able to execute your abilities without having to think about it. That allows you to focus all of your attention on what your opponent is doing and work to counter him. Work on your combo attacks at the sPvP dummies until you can perform them flawlessly with muscle memory.

Don’t click any abilities or keyboard turn. Ever.

And of course practice solo fights. You will never learn how to duel in a zerg where other people can save you from your mistakes.

This has been suggested since beta. But nothing has been done because… ANet.

They won’t even do anything about rezzing mesmers through gates.

These threads are always fun. Bunkers and bad thieves think stealth and high burst from stealth are fine. Everyone else thinks it’s stupid and broken to have that kind of defense on an otherwise glass cannon build.

What does a burst thief do when his health is low and his heal is on cooldown? Stealth and wait until things are back in his favor.

What does a burst ele do when his health is low and his heal is on cooldown? Die.

Special thanks to the TC roamers in Mag BL ruins earlier.

Good guy TC roamer:

People play living story releases?

I think the last one I put any effort into trying to complete was the Bazaar of the four winds and the Queen’s Gauntlet (didn’t care about the story part).

You can’t afford to let a troll go, because ANet actually listens to these people. It’s why we’re in the state we’re in.

So called “pro” players would whine and cry about ele, then they would try to stream it “because OP” and just die horribly over and over, but still keep calling for nerfs. Some of them even started crying about valk eles being too survivable before the community was like “kitten, eles suck.”

Burnfall.9573:

Caffynated.5713:

Burnfall.9573:

End of child play.

Take a look at this, explain a to Arena.net and the community, why D/D Elementalist outrageous bursts, shouldn’t be balanced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOc6Lv_BYk

Only serious.. elaborate replies are welcomed.

(This evidence is more than what i had anticipated in the posted thread. In other word, i underestimated the capacity of D/D Elementalist bursts (10k+bursts= Unacceptable))

Once again, my encouragement to Arena.net; this game breaking unbalance class, must be dealt with, without having any remorse or sympathy whatsoever,

This threat must be severely dealt with or eliminated, at once.

-Arena.net, we the community would like to Thank You! in advance

Now times that by 8 and ten with d/d elementalist bursts on a small, medium and large group of players.

Again, is this justified, unbalanced, and not a game breaker?

I leave that up to you to decide..

Well no, according to Arena.net, leaving this unbalance tyrant will disgrace their whole mission for class balance.

D/D Elementalist bursts, are an urgent threat at the moment and must be quickly targeted and eliminated as soon as possible. .

((thieves are deff. Op without a doubt but the call for immediate urgency is much needed at the moment))

Multiply it by 8 or 10? You know you can only hit 5 people with an AoE, right? If 5 people clump up, let you updraft them and then sit there while you unload, they all deserved to die.

Considering you die to a light summer breeze, lose most of your damage bonus 2 seconds into the fight and rely on combos that I almost never get hit by (lol rtl updraft), yeah it’s justified.

Ele has a cheese instant burst spec, but D/D lives in a different zip code.

ReverendChan.8467:

Synyster.5894:

From my Experience with Maguuma So Called Roamer’s is when its 1vs1 they start running for the hills or just run into they find guildies they turn on you right away once they out number you.

This kind of sums it up ironically which is surprising given the first half of this thread. The few times I’ve spotted roamers from Maguuma it is about 2 or so that kind of retreat into a larger group. This doesn’t matter though because generally when I plague and run away from the higher numbers they don’t really continue chasing me so haven’t ever died yet to them.

I will say that I did run into 2 people from kitten and 1 pug guy (tag I don’t recognize) and the 3 of them were ganging up on someone on ruins and when I joined the fight (to make it 2 on 3) they didn’t run at least. I mean they didn’t win either we killed all three of them, but at least they stayed which was cool. I appreciate kitten because they appear to be outside of the norm of what I have seen from Maguuma.

I think what I am trying to get out of this is though is that I haven’t seen a great roaming presence from a server touted at being the best roamers. I’ve actually had better roaming competition against SoR. It might not be a good representation because I’ve mostly just been going to Maguuma BL this week, only spent one night on SoR BL, and one night on EBG so who knows they could be using another BL depending on the night or EBG?

Also the people I have encountered don’t seem to be running very roaming based builds so beating them hasn’t been too much of a problem between both servers so in the essence of being fair to kitten that is probably why they lost a fight with numbers in their favor on ruins is because maybe they were using more group oriented builds.

In short roaming presence all the way around this week has been very low despite the suggestive comments otherwise being made in this thread. I’ve been playing since reset night this week, I generally roam mostly solo (I have ran around with APeX off and on a few nights, and the night I was on EBG I ran with 4-5 from my own guild), and I’ve only died 3 times so far this week 2 times to SoR and 1 time to a 30-40 man zerg from Maguuma that we were just pestering for the fun of it (LOL). I think people should end the complaints about roaming because none of you are really doing it or doing a good job of it. Just play haz fun and be fwendly.

P.S. The snuggle is real!

P.S.S. Apparently using [DERP] without the brackets = kitten. :/

Most Adorable Necro NA,
Schnigle <3

I ran from Mag spawn to BG north camp and didn’t see anyone.

Clearly Blackgate and SoR are dead servers with a population of zero.

Burnfall.9573:

End of child play.

Take a look at this, explain a to Arena.net and the community, why D/D Elementalist outrageous bursts, shouldn’t be balanced?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBOc6Lv_BYk

Only serious.. elaborate replies are welcomed.

(This evidence is more than what i had anticipated in the posted thread. In other word, i underestimated the capacity of D/D Elementalist bursts (10k+bursts= Unacceptable))

Once again, my encouragement to Arena.net; this game breaking unbalance class, must be dealt with, without having any remorse or sympathy whatsoever,

This threat must be severely dealt with or eliminated, at once.

-Arena.net, we the community would like to Thank You! in advance

420 PPT or GTFO

FrownyClown.8402:

Solo roaming is better in the north than in the south. Mag roamers I am disappointed that you guys are all camping the ruins.

I keep heading north out of the ruins and then a wild loot bag appears and pulls me back in.

Totally not my fault.

If you’re fighting them away from a point or you don’t need to contest the point, you can break up their rotation and spread the condi burst out by staying at long range and LoSing. If you don’t have to deal with that initial fear/15 bleed bomb, necro’s ability to condi burst is much less scary (but still potent). Bait out death shroud before you burst, much like you would bait out water against an ele tank. Trying to DPS through their death shroud, especially a full bar, is a complete waste of time; even more so if they pop spectral armor first. Break LoS or range until they leave DS and then hit them hard.

Mash Hog.5672:

It starts out with me charging up Earth 2.
Then I lightning flash onto them with Earthquake (knocking them down).

Unfortunately, this almost never works 1v1 against above average or better players. When playing S/D burst I cancel cast EQ at the start of a fight to see if my opponent is terrible or not. EQ is just too telegraphed. It’s generally better to start with blink phoenix if your opponent isn’t moving erratically.

So this is the T1 PvF meta.

You got more transfers!
NO YOU GOT MOAR TRANZFERZ!!!!
Yeah, but we got our transfers after you!
Your transfers are totally more blobby than our transfers. Best PvDoor server NA!
We don’t PvDoor, there just are never any players there!

And so on.

Lately I’ve been getting a lot of skill ghosting where an ability will flash showing that it’s been activated, but it won’t actually do anything. It doesn’t affect skills before or after, but just randomly drops ability activations.

For example, I’ll be doing ele earth -> air burst. Hurl, EQ, lightning flash, air attunement, lightning strike, arcane blast, and it will randomly drop one or more of them (most common is lighting flash). I’m definitely in range and I have fast cast ground targeting on, so it’s not an issue of miss clicks. The buttons flash showing that the commands are making it to the client and it’s not ordinary keyboard ghosting.

It happens in all modes, but far more often in sPvP and WvW than PvE.

No, I hate MOBA games. They’re worse than conquest. It’s like conquest with level grinding and PvE mobs.

Why would anyone want that in their PvP game?

Previously on As the Forum Turns:

Mag: Look how awesome I am, collecting all the Badgegate lootz like a Baws!
Badgegate: I totally finished my Dungeon Master title while waiting in queue. PPT so stronk. You should join Badgegate so you can be an awesome PvP player like me.

ThiBash.5634:

No idea what you’re saying, sorry.

He’s asking if air IX’s -20% cooldown to air skills applies to fresh air.

Kiff.8157:

What do you think make us a T1 server?

Having a metric fugton of dudes.

So far the answer seems to be “they don’t.”