Guild Wars 2

I’ve seen plenty of arrowcarts despawn before. The reason people have seen some arrowcarts last for hours is because often there are people actually refreshing siege when they see it. (though sometimes it just “forgot” to despawn as well)

The despawn timer doesn’t change anything and does not improve the zerging at all, it will make no impact to the meta.

I understand what ANet is doing with the 30s delay, it makes sense. It helps to bring back the old ninjas. Now groups under 25 have and advantage of being invisible for 30s. Groups over 25 kitten their efficiency. I do not understand how OP can not like this.

itsmee.7536:

That would mean no one from Tier 9 would be able to enter that zone. Well may be one or two guilds.

All in All, my favorite suggestion was the “king of the Hills” one. It adds a new flavor to the game. I also like your suggestion about the WvW xp cap on 10 ppl hitting one player to prevent blobbling. However, I’m not too keen on idea of have gates and walls HP reduced because it makes upgrading less important. Instead, I would suggest to decrease only T1 gates/walls HP’s so that upgrading becomes more important, as well as wiping upgrades and cutting enemy supply lines.

Upgraded towers are something people use to avoid fights, seeing as the purpose of what Aneu suggest is to have more fights therefore making upgrading more important would defeat the purpose. Upgrading still helps a little but shouldn’t be too strong like it is now. A fortified tower is a kitten to take if you don’t have a huge group and requires no skill (from player nor commanders). Problem is the defending requires even less skill, it just requires arrowcarts and trebs.

Having less hp on structures would increase the importance of actually going out with your people to kill the attackers and their siege. Also you would no longer be able to hold them off so long until the entire map that gathered somewhere can run back. This would make people split up again.

greyblue.4962:

How? Please give a more directed piece of feedback than generalising as much as possible.

Possibly this is a tier difference, but lately I’ve seen the following meta, particularly from servers like SF:

1. There are 100 people in a zerg ball. Guilds ask players to form “ranks” of specific classes with specific builds, so the zerg ball has a designated make-up, roughly as follows:
1. 10 guardians
2. 10 Mesmers
3. 20 Staff elementalists
4. 20 Well necros
5. 40 or so “others” who tag along but aren’t part of the main group.

This group runs around each BL (they have one of these on each BL) clockwise. When they reach a tower with a gate that’s not upgraded, they bring it down without siege in about 40 seconds, and take the tower in about 3 minutes.

If they meet opposition, the following happens:
1. The mesmers all drop portals, then all stand together and drop another portal and everyone goes through so the ball is stacked on a single location (prevents catching some of the group in an AoE).
2. Guardians rotate reflection bubbles and Hallowed Ground (it doesn’t buff people who already have 3xstability, so with buff duration spec you can give the whole zerg permanent stability.
3. Mesmers all drop temporal curtain and then into the void, either on wall top to pull people forward, or in the field to bunch enemies. Elementalists drop a wave of AoE on the top of the wall in a siege, or on the bunched the zerg in a field battle, starting with 20 meteor showers. Power necros do the same with wells. Everyone else spams a ranged attack.
4. In a siege, the majority of enemy siege and players are dead. In a field battle, any group that’s not running a similar strategy is dead.

By all accounts, this is dreadfully boring to do after a while, but it works. Up until now this strategy has been counterable by glamor mesmers (now dead), or 8 or more arrow carts hitting the same spot (maybe only 5 now with the buff).

The changes you’re suggesting would make this strategy more effective. People already do this while complaining that it’s not fun. Nerfing WXP would do nothing. Reducing siege damage and making gates weaker would make this strategy completely unstoppable.

Never seen this before this organized but what Aneu suggested would destroy that tactic. It would no be efficient for any group over 30 to run together because there are too many things to do at once. This would destroy your zergball problem.

scootshoot.6583:

The home maps need to differ from Green, Blue and Red teams. The 3rd ranked server in the tier needs to have a map that favors them so they don’t get overrun due to coverage, numbers etc. Their maps should have stronger defensive positions and make it challenging for the Green and Blue teams to dominate the full map.

Green should have the least structural advantages to allow the lower ranked teams greater chance to wreck havoc.

Blue should be balanced somewhere in the middle.

These are different ideas and offer little feedback to what was given in the OP (which already is quite extensive). Anyhow I do not agree on that, I like the identical maps, it guarantees that nobody can whine about balance. We all know there is plenty of complaining on the matchup threads already, let’s not give them more reasons.

I think these are all awesome ideas. Let’s hope we get most of this things in very soon.

Well that and underwater maps for my bff Kebab

Paradoxine.8192:

Caliban.3176:

Paradoxine.8192:

Slamz.5376:

Sudden idea:
Remove AE limits for melee only.

If 15 people are standing in a tight clump, ranged AE can only hit 5 of them, like now, but let melee AE hit all targets with no limits.

That might really revitalize the melee in this game.

1. Form a party of 8 zerker warriors
2. Get a friendly thief to give you stealth
3. Pop endure pain, whirlwind through a 40 man zerg
4. ???
5. GG

Isn’t whirlwind an evade? Why would you waste endure pain on that?

Endure pain lasts 4 seconds. Whirlwind IIRC (I basically never play warrior, though I do have an 80) will last a couple seconds max. A 40 man zerg can do an awful lot of dps and It’s in your interest to maximise your survivability especially given you have zerker gear. If we want to be pedantic then yes, pop endure pain after whirlwind then 100B or spam 1, but It was an example, come on.

Well OP doesn’t really know how the game works right now. He is doing the linefighting thing still. I wouldn’t want him to try something new and then do it wrong.

(So yes, I was just being pedantic)

Arathor.7419:

had a nice fight against Voth in garrison , how ever when we wiped FRS at the gate VOTH decided to jump ontop of that XD

I’m pretty sure you mean VoTF. I have to add that we are not having an event today so it was just 8-12 of us (some left, some joined, …). We were defending garrison and we decided to ask for help. Help came. We got a large portion of you out of garrison and when FRS came back from resupplying at hills and you jumped on them we decided to return the favor and help them. You weren’t wiping them yet. But indeed, very good fights.

I don’t care about all the haters, these are the fights we dropped tiers for. Thanks, it was good fun.

Paradoxine.8192:

Slamz.5376:

Sudden idea:
Remove AE limits for melee only.

If 15 people are standing in a tight clump, ranged AE can only hit 5 of them, like now, but let melee AE hit all targets with no limits.

That might really revitalize the melee in this game.

1. Form a party of 8 zerker warriors
2. Get a friendly thief to give you stealth
3. Pop endure pain, whirlwind through a 40 man zerg
4. ???
5. GG

Isn’t whirlwind an evade? Why would you waste endure pain on that?

Sajuuk.6420:

Neandramathal.9536:

ThomasKreshant.6572:

alkalone.5798:

. I just think you will be on T8 next week

And?

The dreaded tier 8… where the air is pungent with the aroma of roasted behinds. Tier 8, where growth’s like turnips sprout from your nose and ears. Tier 8, where Satan belches fire and enormous devil’s break wind both night and day!

I think you got T8 mixed up with T9..

I think you are both thinking of T1

Edeor.9720:

BrainZz.8976:

Stop whining start improving, the skill lv of many dz zergs reminds me of jadesea zerker upscaled guys

Yeah… mmm wait every time I see a VCY alone, he runs away, is this skill too? Well, I suppose you need to be skilled to run like hell.

Anyone who has ever been in T1 learnt from the best. Triple veil and permanent stability (floating banners). Don’t forget to also have some blocks/invulns and swiftness and stun breaks. (Leaps don’t hurt)

Vizunah, better runners than Usain Bolt!

I don’t agree with his point. I think it is not true. The server I was on travelled through many tiers, lower ones included. So I do know a little bit about the mindset of those tiers. Even SFR was an underdog server at certain points in time.

The story told here does not relate to what is happening on RoS. It is irrelevant, it is not like that. The worst part is where you assume that these transferred guilds kill anything in their way with relative ease (cfr. scoring 17-0 in one half of a match). This is not true.

Also it seems like these guilds would enjoy winning so hard if that were ever the case and I assure you that they wouldn’t. Nothing would get me to transfer off of a server faster than knowing my guild could destroy anything my enemies might throw at me.

Thinking the point you make with your story is wrong is not the same as missing the point.

Ferawyn.6542:

Caliban.3176:

It is a very amusing story. However it does not relate in any way to RoS as the transferred guilds do not care about winning as your fictional Ferguson does.

So it might be very entertaining though it is does not make a strong point or case about anything about these guild transfers.

Keep writing though.

omg, you so don’t get it.
Are you the incarnation of Ferguson?

If that is what you think, sure.

It is a very amusing story. However it does not relate in any way to RoS as the transferred guilds do not care about winning as your fictional Ferguson does.

So it might be very entertaining though it is does not make a strong point or case about anything about these guild transfers.

Keep writing though.

MagnusLL.8473:

Oh and one last thing about “it’s all Vizunah’s fault”.

You do realize Arenanet is laughing all the way to the bank thanks also to the money you keep spending to transfer from one server to the next, don’t you? From their perspective, the current system is perfect because it keeps people throwing money at them.

If you want to effect change, vote with your wallet. Preferably after having engaged the brain.

Yes all the ingame gold I farmed to transfer is making Anet so incredibly rich.

Genev.2450:

Personally I’m more fond of vodka.

Blashpemer. King Albert II does not approve of this statement.

Aneu.1748:

Genev.2450:

Everybody should seriously look at this Ranger hate they seem to be having trouble with, it’s not healthy

Not only are you a ranger, you’re also female!! FOR SHAME!

At least her nationality is extremely redeeming.

Troma.3250:

You are not honest. Your own mates talked about it in some honest posts. Anyway, i’m starting to receive privates messages with angry people saying i or vizunah killed the T1. This is totally crazy.

That is just wrong, people shouldn’t be whispering you about that. I still believe that Vizunah is the cause of the death of T1 but it is not their fault. They should not be blamed.

Zamerine.2635:

Everybody wants to win, it’s always more fun when you win ( well maybe not if there is no opposition … ).

Since the begining Vizunah had WvW as a main goal, it gave itself the tools to win this WvW, and even though there isn’t a lot of opposition for the moment we just can’t sabotage our own masterpiece, we can just let the machine works on its own. Troma isn’t fuelling us with motivation anymore, our commanders aren’t hard rotating shifts anymore.

@ Caliban : As I just said, we can’t sabotage ourselves. And Vizunah wasn’t made in one day at all, it’s the result of the attacks of great servers like yours over the months wich made us make changes, improvements and so on.
That being said, rest assured that I ( and most of my comrades I think ) truly wish that SFR and Desolation manage to create something to match us again.

@ Everyone asking how can we still have some fun in this game : the community. Simply the people, because a MMO is basically that, spending time with people, having a blast because the commander just fell of the cliff, to joke at an other because he can’t make a proper golem attack ( mesmers ? what is that ? ), . . .
That is what you must really emphasize if you want to create a long lasting server because we are here to have fun after all isn’t it ?

My 2 cents …

PS : When ( if ? ) Anet will solve the skill lag problem it will help a lot of people to truly love the WvW again I think, because whatever one might say, big scale battles are awesome ! =)

Again about the winning. It is very hard for me to understand why you guys want to ‘win’ so much. You get nothing from it and if you want to play the game to win you have to sabotage your fun.

You say you don’t want to sabotage yourself but you are actually doing that right now. You have become so proficient at this ‘winning’ that most people care nothing about that nobody wants to play against you anymore.

And you hope that SFR and Deso match to you again. I sincerely hope they do not. I hope that either ANet changes the way the points game works (and the siege meta) or that Vizunah has a change of heart and joins us on our level.

I think at this point we can agree to disagree on how we want this to change. It was however refreshing to have an adult conversation about this.

Tygra.4570:

@Caliban : I believe we made it less enjoyable for others because of the winning mostly. Everyone likes a win, but a lot expected WvW being about battles. It turns out winning comes from scoring and fighting isn’t the only nor best way to do this. Several servers have the same playstyle as Vizunah, or even more defensive playstyles like our friends from Elona, so this is not “1 server” but probably the most efficient of those servers.
The complaints we can see today on this thread are quite similar to those we could read in september, and a lot of Vizunians wrote on the forums to ask a change in rules. We asked for points at night to count for less, and people from every server got many more ideas i cant recall right now.

Anet responded, Vizu adapted.

A lot of servers adapted too, if you remember 3 weeks ago complaints were against SFR playing the points and starting golem rushes at 2am. 6 or 7 weeks ago Vizunah was scoring less than Deso every night thanks to Kaz/Bull and the whole Deso organisation.

The state of 3W is not Vizunah’s fault, it’s merely a response to Anet’s design made by players who bought this game to win.

Cheers

I don’t completely agree with all of that. Not everyone cares that much about winning. I (and I find it hard to believe I would be unique in that aspect) wouldn’t mind losing as long as the matchup is even and filled with fights. But having a morningforce to upgrade everything and prepare dozens of arrowcarts destroys all balance. Putting in time to upgrade ourselves (boring time) to be able to have that balance and decent fights does not sound very appealing.

As I said in my post I quoted, SFR did those things to counter you (they put in the boring time) so that is not the same thing.

You say others do the same Vizu does, and give an example of Elona but it is not the same. Elona never did it to the same extent as I see from Vizu. I wouldn’t say that the state is WvW is Vizu’s fault, because you cannot fault them for playing the way they do. But they are the cause of it.

At the moment, most people don’t want to be in the same tier with Vizu, that has got to mean something and I do not believe it is about winning.

Caliban.3176:

Zamerine.2635:

I know I shouldn’t post in this troll infested topic but … what are you talking about Vizunah killing the tier 1 ? I mean, do you think Vizunah radically changed his play style / number of people on the maps since SFR has come to T1 for the second time with its big number of WvW guilds ?

No, we are nearly the same as before, the ones who changed are SFR ( not saying it’s your fault, merely Anet fault with its stupid migration decision ). And THAT broke the balance of our match up, Desolation was able to kinda compete with VS for the second place because SFR new their only true ennemy was VS. Now that SFR is at the same level as Desolation there is no balance anymore :s

You’re forgetting that the matchup was never balanced. The only reason that it worked temporarily is because SFR changed how they do things to get Vizu to drop. That failed (in part because of the free transfers). T1 has been broken since january, it just took this long for people finally giving up on trying to fix it.

Vizu plays the game within the parameters that Anet set it just so happens that they do so completely different from other servers and that kitten don’t mix. So because everyone is free to play whatever he likes 1 server made the game way less enjoyable for about 2-5 other servers.

This is not meant to be disrespectful to Vizu, just to explain how the situation is kittened right now.

This is how I see the situation, I would love to hear if Vizunians think this is wrong. I’m sure you have your own views of how it is now and having a reasonable conversation about might enlighten me, yourself or some other players.

I meant no offence whatsoever so please try to be constructive.

Zamerine.2635:

I know I shouldn’t post in this troll infested topic but … what are you talking about Vizunah killing the tier 1 ? I mean, do you think Vizunah radically changed his play style / number of people on the maps since SFR has come to T1 for the second time with its big number of WvW guilds ?

No, we are nearly the same as before, the ones who changed are SFR ( not saying it’s your fault, merely Anet fault with its stupid migration decision ). And THAT broke the balance of our match up, Desolation was able to kinda compete with VS for the second place because SFR new their only true ennemy was VS. Now that SFR is at the same level as Desolation there is no balance anymore :s

You’re forgetting that the matchup was never balanced. The only reason that it worked temporarily is because SFR changed how they do things to get Vizu to drop. That failed (in part because of the free transfers). T1 has been broken since january, it just took this long for people finally giving up on trying to fix it.

Vizu plays the game within the parameters that Anet set it just so happens that they do so completely different from other servers and that kitten don’t mix. So because everyone is free to play whatever he likes 1 server made the game way less enjoyable for about 2-5 other servers.

This is not meant to be disrespectful to Vizu, just to explain how the situation is kittened right now.

Ok, we’ve been doing some circles for a while now.

The timing for this initiative is unfortunate and so is the placement. And it has been mentioned before that it is quite ironic to see this come for Vizunah. Those are the not so great things about it.

But there are positive sides, it is a good idea and the game desperately needs it. Big ups to Troma for starting this.

Now I think we can all agree on that. Now move on to either discuss the matchup or the idea itself.

Empyre made a good point. I, however, would make public the marked state. So unless both parties agree to make it public all GvG’s are private.

P.S. Stop attacking people personally (especially Troma) it’s not like anyone here has ever done any really harm to anybody else here. So what we kill eachother on a daily basis, that’s no reason to be mean. And if you do get attacked personally, don’t act like a martyr, it is unbecoming.

Witzard.6829:

Wemil, thanks a lot for your post.

If there was an official UK server you would bet your kitten the majority of the UK would take up root on it and establish a core community that would remain fixed in place because it gives you pride in representing not just your server but your country. But we don’t and just like other nationalities were fragmented and split to the four winds and mercenaries for whatever server takes our fancy.

I might be naive, but why not ask Anet to get one ? (poll on this forum maybe, or on reddit/…) ? If enough people show they’re concerned, they might do something about it ?

That would totally suck. So what about all the english people who are in international guilds? The internet should know no countries or nationalities. I understand why they did it for Fr, Es and De (because of the language barriers) but I think it would be better had they not done it. There are hardly any French in the international guild I am part of and that is a sad thing, same goes for Germans and Spanish.

If they would make a UK server like that it might mean that we’d get less UK people in my guild. That way the international guilds would just be guilds of rejected nationalities.

Troma.3250:

Empyre =)

Read what i wrote earlier: do you imagine me saying “ok guys, situation is very hot, no commanders, burnout everywhere, SFR play well, let’s us stop everything, admit defeat and start GvG”

No ! just no. It would be totally idiot it’s not the Vizunah mentality, nonsense. In life, you must prioritize. One thing after another. Same answer Danielle, as a leader you just can’t ask people to think about GvG when WvW situation is dark as hell.

Stop – mixing – everything. Really.

I understand that would not be a natural thing to do for Vizunah but for many other servers doing GvG would be perfectly timed in those weeks. I think there are several guilds out there (like RG and VoTF) who mainly play WvW to get into intense fights. So if there is a situation where regular WvW leaves you wanting in that department it is only logical to look for GvG. And I think that that doesn’t only go for these guild. Most pugs probably like the real intense fights as well.

It doesn’t always have to be guilds even. If 2 commanders have a nice semi-equal following they could start whispering eachother to meet up and kill eachother. You could call this BvB (blob versus blob) though in NA they would also call this GvG. (Too bad skillag limits us in this)

Troma.3250:

graverr, you do not get it my friend. It’s just a tool to simplify orga like Kingface say, nothing more and 2 months before it was impossible, all servers was greatly focused on WvW. Do you imagine everybody stopping this to let guilds fights? with thoses scores? no man.

First of I must say that I am a big fan of organising GvG and it is awesome that you would like to make that happen. Making it public might not be the greatest idea however.

The thing I really wanted to talk about is when you said that 2 months ago it would have been impossible because servers were too focused on WvW. That is just wrong.
To me it seems that the only server where a majority of people would have a problem with that would be Vizunah. I don’t think most people on SFR or Deso would ever think that they should not have an awesome fight because they might lose points.

Genev.2450:

I got killed in EB recently when me and an enemy Ele passed each other np, i ran a bit further and suddenly i get bowled over by him.
Didn’t stand a chance with my build tbh, was a bit annoying, stupid guild was at the other side of the map. :p

Stupid guild? That’s not very nice of you.

People used to let single players get away more. Nowadays groups kill me before I /wave.
Bring back the respect

Hwestdinen.8913:

I have a suggestion, the WvW is no more fun for me, why not remove all the siege weapons, the buildings, the hills and the rifts ? Then we could have real fights !

That’s the smartest idea any Vizunian has ever had. You should start spreading this gospel in your mapchats.

Leorcyn.1063:

Never said anything about blobs, don’t panic.

Caliban : we had a strong reaction to SFR’s power, but I can’t say it’s still ongoing now. I don’t think people have durably changed their habits : it was just to try to contain the monster.

Well maybe play like that some more maybe then your opponents might not try to drop tiers.

Leorcyn.1063:

Aneu.1748:

Congrats to Vizunah on returning to the easy win method

Not gonna argue with the whole post, feel free to go to whatever tier, someone will take your spot.

But, VS is not “returning” to whatever methods, because we did not change our playstyle just now.
SFR has been a monster of “off-peak capping” for 5 weeks, it’s now gone back to sleep. This is the only thing that changed.

You should not sell your own server short like that. You were changing, you were fighting people and showing people how big your balls are. You were awesome back then.

I think Troma’s (big ups to that guy btw) last call to arms brought back a lot of people who weren’t used to this style of playing. You know, the style were you engage your enemies. Maybe that is why we are getting to see the old vizu again.

Phunk.6103:

Yea Nuked is correct, you can still play WvW, you just cant reap the benefits of it

And don’t worry, you’ll still get wxp.
But we can discuss who sends a delegation where after TW accepts the offer.
They’ve got nothing to lose. They “read our book”, they know how we roll.

Nuked.2360:

Caliban.3176:

Cirus.5748:

<3 VotF!

And tell Wrench I miss his accent :P

Seeing as you know Wrench you can definitely attest to our influence on a borderland.

Also if we are such a non-factor why would people even mention us?

Cirus wasn’t talking bad about VoTF. He was just trying to lighten the mood from what I can tell. Krygg is the one with VoTF hate.

I know, it is my fault, I should have been clearer. Only the first part was meant for Cirus.

Cirus.5748:

<3 VotF!

And tell Wrench I miss his accent :P

Seeing as you know Wrench you can definitely attest to our influence on a borderland.

Also if we are such a non-factor why would people even mention us?

btowl.7869:

Here, maybe Tool is more to your liking. We may have had more than FOO, but nowhere near more than 2x their numbers. The multiple commanders are for purposes of lines-one for melee and the other for ranged

Hooray for Tool

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

And I know for a fact that is impossible for you to know how we play now

Veil and charge? with a splash of hammer train?

Case in point …

Axle.5182:

Tbh the reality of it all is nothing said here will ever result in change, we come on here to either praise or share our dislike to something and for once im going to agree with the Viz people in saying nobody cares what we think. For many including myself this thread has merely become an outlet for anger and insult where people just switch off as a result were all talking to a brick wall if we think we can make a difference.

To me this thread is popcorn and a lot of it.

LetoII.3782:

Caliban.3176:

LetoII.3782:

Caliban.3176:

LetoII.3782:

I’m sorry, but WHO came to WHO’S thread to comment on WHO’S video.
Take your time, scroll up a bit, it’s pretty obvious which party is the provocateur.

If you don’t want other people to see your video’s or comment on them, don’t put them in public places like this. You probably show your video’s because you want some exposure and fame. Too bad the video you use does not help you in that regard and even worse that some people (like Aneu), who are interested in GvG, noticed who little that video means and commented on it.

See, if you guys dodged and focus changed like that in combat you’d be a heck of a force in combat… Outside of your extremely narrow and limiting M.O. that is.

Because you know how we play and what we can do? We suck so bad and yet you only have that 1 example of “wiping” us.

Yes, we know exactly how you play. To quote George Patton we “read you book” and had countered you. Or, more specifically Indo our non-Maves GM did. He’s quite brilliant at this sort of thing.

Why decline a GvG grom a guild that you can counter so easily? That’s kind of weird. And I know for a fact that is impossible for you to know how we play now

LetoII.3782:

Caliban.3176:

LetoII.3782:

I’m sorry, but WHO came to WHO’S thread to comment on WHO’S video.
Take your time, scroll up a bit, it’s pretty obvious which party is the provocateur.

If you don’t want other people to see your video’s or comment on them, don’t put them in public places like this. You probably show your video’s because you want some exposure and fame. Too bad the video you use does not help you in that regard and even worse that some people (like Aneu), who are interested in GvG, noticed who little that video means and commented on it.

See, if you guys dodged and focus changed like that in combat you’d be a heck of a force in combat… Outside of your extremely narrow and limiting M.O. that is.

Because you know how we play and what we can do? We suck so bad and yet you only have that 1 example of “wiping” us.

LetoII.3782:

I’m sorry, but WHO came to WHO’S thread to comment on WHO’S video.
Take your time, scroll up a bit, it’s pretty obvious which party is the provocateur.

If you don’t want other people to see your video’s or comment on them, don’t put them in public places like this. You probably show your video’s because you want some exposure and fame. Too bad the video you use does not help you in that regard and even worse that some people (like Aneu), who are interested in GvG, noticed who little that video means and commented on it.

Leorcyn.1063:

Vizunians have fun, even if they’d like a better opposition.

Wonderful troll, lovely. I think they should give out awards for this.

I have a lot of respect for you, not a lot of people can make me laugh like that.

btowl.7869:

Caliban.3176:

btowl.7869:

Caliban.3176:

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Ah, thank you. Should I add you to my friends list along with Aneu for the authority on how Veil works?

No thanks, I’ve got plenty of friends.

@btowl
The reason the proximity to the spawnpoint matters is because even if you win like that it is not actual winning. You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

Okay, if that’s how you define it, fine. However, I didn’t see us forcing you to stay so close to our spawn point; you could’ve left at any time. But, as Aneu said, you chose to remain-does that not effectively negate your definition?

No, the way I see it, I think you could say that you wiped us but bragging about it just seems wrong. You are however free to do whatever you want.

I’m not interested in bragging and do not think I have done so here, in the past, or in the d e scription of the video I posted. It even says ‘Great fights all around’.

Wasn’t talking about you personally but to other people who appear to have a harder time refraining themselves

LetoII.3782:

We wouldn’t know would we? As I recall, after our last encounter with votf they made thoroughly sure they would never encounter us again..

LetoII.3782:

Still waiting on your vid of our encounters. You know, the one where you didn’t look utterly ineffectual like in the one WE released. ROTFL

Sorry, I think I shouldn’t say that that is bragging, it’s more like provoking.

btowl.7869:

Caliban.3176:

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Ah, thank you. Should I add you to my friends list along with Aneu for the authority on how Veil works?

No thanks, I’ve got plenty of friends.

@btowl
The reason the proximity to the spawnpoint matters is because even if you win like that it is not actual winning. You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

Okay, if that’s how you define it, fine. However, I didn’t see us forcing you to stay so close to our spawn point; you could’ve left at any time. But, as Aneu said, you chose to remain-does that not effectively negate your definition?

No, the way I see it, I think you could say that you wiped us but bragging about it just seems wrong. You are however free to do whatever you want.

LetoII.3782:

Caliban.3176:

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Ah, thank you. Should I add you to my friends list along with Aneu for the authority on how Veil works?

No thanks, I’ve got plenty of friends.

@btowl
The reason the proximity to the spawnpoint matters is because even if you win like that it is not actual winning. You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

You missed the part where only one TW needed to respawn.

Rewriting history now? That’s my cue…

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

Hmm I really feel like I should at least add you to my friends list, you are the authority on veil, and now seems the authority on bragging rights. Having you on that list could potentially help me further my game play experience!

Are you really that desperate to find some friends?

Burl.9567:

Caliban.3176:

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Ah, thank you. Should I add you to my friends list along with Aneu for the authority on how Veil works?

No thanks, I’ve got plenty of friends.

@btowl
The reason the proximity to the spawnpoint matters is because even if you win like that it is not actual winning. You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

So since I didn’t die during that encounter in the camp or the tower, I do get to brag?

No you should be ashamed for not sticking to your commander and keeping him alive. Try to be a teamplayer next time.

Hoots.9564:

Caliban.3176:

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Ah, thank you. Should I add you to my friends list along with Aneu for the authority on how Veil works?

No thanks, I’ve got plenty of friends.

@btowl
The reason the proximity to the spawnpoint matters is because even if you win like that it is not actual winning. You do not get bragging rights if you die twice and have to come back to kill a single guild with inferior numbers.

Hoots.9564:

hex.3218:

Too bad transfers aren’t free anymore. I’d love to see VotF jump on Blackgate and settle this in game.

lol as would I, too bad veil and charge don’t work anymore.

I don’t think you know how veil works. It’s not about going forward all the time. Sometimes you go left and in extreme cases you might even go right and maybe, just maybe, you use a second veil and repeat the entire process.

Only thing I remember from TW is them saying they were better than us and then refusing to GvG.

Now Aneu mentions how your video is far from an actual GvG you guys bring up 1 fight from months ago that you claim you won but in fact it was sad that it took you guys that long to kill us. I would hardly call that a victory.

Tygra.4570:

Junkpile.7439:

Well it’s probably very easy unite national server.

It is, but only if you sacrifice enough puppies to the god Troma. Our friends from Elona or Jade Sea didn’t worship him enough.

The guy in this vid must really adore Troma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPY9OQdU15E

It’s fake btw and if you don’t speak Dutch I suggest starting at 02:08

Ipea.2974:

This thread needs more Ipea so here I am.
Hi everyone

Oh kitten, run people. Run while you still can…

Cameirus.8407:

The best thing that can happen out of this is for t1 guilds to spread out over more servers and balance the board a little. And for anet to get a grip on rankings and the lack of mobility.

That would not work in this situation. It would be the perfect solution if there were 3 competitive and open servers. Now people only flock to either Deso or SFR because Vizu is a french server. With SFR getting people from Piken and later being open for free transfers the balance is way off.

You could say that the guilds should spread out over multiple tiers but these guilds want to fight each other and for that they have to be in the same tier.