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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
How about they start by having everything that is included in an expansion actually available upon purchase rather than a year or more down the road? IMO, that would be a really good place to start.
I don’t believe this will ever happen, though.
So, before HoT was announced, would you have been willing to wait an extra year or so for them to finish developing its content?
Or
Would you have rather A-net not included legendary weapons as a selling point?
I honestly wish they’d finished the expansion before selling it. No question about it.
I love Amazon. I accidentally bought Prime for an account I didn’t intend to, and they refunded me the full $99 even though I didn’t catch my mistake until a month later.
I appreciate customer service like that.
Really wish they’d fix WvW.
I hope it isn’t too late…
I will take my legends, ascendeds and gold to my grave.
This. I don’t have to give away my stuff. There’s no sub, so my characters can sit there in their ascended finery until the Second Coming. I can come back and play any time I choose and will have essentially missed absolutely nothing.
Especially right now.
How about they start by having everything that is included in an expansion actually available upon purchase rather than a year or more down the road? IMO, that would be a really good place to start.
I don’t believe this will ever happen, though.
… Because false advertising almost always requires you to prove intent to deceive. If situations change and something can’t get delivered, that isn’t considered false advertising in any country I know of.
I do not realize what can be worse: to be labeled as deceiver to or be labeled as incompetent.
Pretty much this. Even if I’m being extremely generous, Anet has engaged in some serious mismanagement of resources, human and otherwise, and some seriously bad planning and projection for them not to have known exactly what they could and could not deliver. Knowledge of this should have existed BEFORE the money was taken. It is their job to know and them not knowing makes the company look extremely incompetent.
Gliding.
I block ppl who are both rude and bad. It just completely kills the fun for me playing with those ppl.
I blocked a total of three this season, I think.
Yeah, nothing ruins a match like some idiot screaming on and on in the chat about how everyone but them sucks. Why should we have to play with these morons?
Heh, thought this thread was about the chick on the videos. So not impressed with her.
I just came back to check out the game after taking a break about 3 weeks after HoT launched and I’m already sad and disappointed. Correct me if I’m wrong please, but I don’t see a single glider skin that is available to unlock or earn as reward for playing the game. I see they have added bunch of glider skins and all of them are gem store. It is extremely disappointed. Of course I can convert gold and buy it, but it still feels wrong and greedy of anet that they can’t put a single glider skin for reward. Default glider is intentionally incredibly ugly, not even fully dyeable, just so you are “forced” buy a new one. Especially since they put gliding in Tyria.
This is of course just one little thing, but there are a lot of these little things that makes you sad or even angry sometimes.
So, I understand what you’re saying, OP. It is sad that A-net insists to disappoint us again and again over past…. well for quite some while now.
The only glider skin that I have that I didn’t buy from the store is the ugly knit glider or whatever it’s called. That one I got in the game by doing a series of quests around Christmastime.
I agree with you. It would be far more satisfying if we could get things like glider skins from actually playing the game rather than trolling the store.
What is wrong here? Please tell me?
The way I see it, the problem is that the decision was made to go back on their word regarding new legendary weapons, which was something players paid for when they bought HoT. He made this decision instead of another one – like adding more people to the legendary team so they could finish the weapons in a timely manner and give the players content they paid for. Or reassessing the timeline for the weapons and announcing that.
It’s hard to believe that the only possible solution was to scrap everything. I would think they’d be concerned about that new expansion they’re already working on and whether people are going to trust that they’ll get what is going to be promised for the next one.
I mean, why do I want to buy another expansion with promised content that may or may not get scrapped after I pay for it?
This has already been addressed repeatedly. Guess you just like being a parrot?
We like it when people tell the truth. We don’t like it when people lie or mischaracterize like you have.
Directing a response to an individual is not naming and shaming.
I didn’t lie. I misunderstood the post and when I read it, it looked exactly like calling out names for the purpose of shaming. As several players pointed out I was wrong, I went back and re-read the post and saw what they were saying. I made a simple mistake. What’s your excuse for accusing me of something you have no evidence of?
Well, to be fair, they could cancel this, too, and put even more people on the next expansion! lol
I’m beginning to wonder if there’d be as much of this ‘uproar’ had Mike O’Brien hadn’t announced the plans, and just went ahead with them anyway. At least they had the decency to tell us about it.
Yeah, well, that is very small comfort. I’m not going to give someone kudos because they tell me they’re going to do it before they rob me.
I suppose there’s no grounds to make Anet accountable for their reversal via a class action lawsuit, but it doesn’t seem right that they can sell something and then decide for whatever reason that they are no longer going to deliver what people paid for.
MMO developers really can get away with things other, more traditional businesses can’t.
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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
At this point, leveling and new gear might actually give people something to do.
Giving me more pointless masteries to grind isn’t going to cut it for me, though.
MO did not name and shame anyone. Stop being silly.
This has already been addressed repeatedly. Guess you just like being a parrot?
I have no idea what you think the problem is.
I lost a LOT of respect for Mike O’brien when he posted and specifically named people in order to humiliate, embarrass, and shame them for their opinions. There are a lot of valid, demonstrable reasons why players see HoT as incomplete.
But for a professional to name and shame when Anet’s policy for their own players is not to allow this is just pathetic. And totally unprofessional. He needs to get a grip on his emotions and step back and look at all points of view objectively, politely, and professionally.
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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
And I’m not even talking here about the lack of rewards and how the game turned into a grind fest.
Been having fun catching up on Ps4 games.
I hate to say it, but I’ve been playing games again that I left to come play this one. And the overall feeling when I go back is, “Wow, I used to think this game was grindy, but now it doesn’t feel that way anymore!” lol Sad.
For me, GW2 has ended up being the grindiest MMO I’ve ever played. I still like a lot of aspects of it, but the grind has been hard for me to get around. HoT didn’t really help with this, either.
My hopes for WvW are pretty low. The only reason it is on the April update list is that the amazing WvW upgrade with HoT completely tanked. I find it hard to get excited about a WvW renovation which is actually an attempt to undo the damage of the last WvW renovation. Nothing revolutionary is going to happen, unless the whole server system is revamped.
The 6 people [formerly] on Legendaries and 70 people on xpac2 is the issue that sticks in my craw. In many ways, HoT is still in early access yet the money I paid for it is ignored by Anet while they focus on money I might pay for xpac2. Xpac2 won’t ship as a complete product either, so not completing xpac1 means buying xpac2 is predetermined to be the same bad deal as xpac1. Xpac2 will not be completed because xpac3 will be more important as soon as xpac2 goes on sale. There is no end to this rabbit hole until a future xpac team gets reassigned to GW3 because GW2 became an endless train of broken promises that people stopped paying into.
I am still waiting to hear how I will get my money’s worth for xpac1. I haven’t even heard a hint of an apology for taking my money and not delivering what I paid for. I couldn’t really afford $50 for HoT, and now Anet’s focus is on charging me another $50 without honoring the value of the last $50.
I don’t much care for the fact that so many people are working on another expansion when there are so many glaring problems with the first one that aren’t being addressed. I think they’re overestimating how many people are going to pre-purchase and/or buy the next expansion. A lot of us feel we’ve been burned once already. I’m not interested in another expansion that is the same size as the last one for the same price with the same problems.
You can solo things in HoT just fine except the meta event bosses. Its just not faceroll easy as old Tyria. But I do not see people solo Shatterer, Tequatl etc either.
I am sure he is talking about hero points you can’t solo.
And without hero points you can’t develope your character.I understand very well why he is complaining.
Multiplayer should be optional not forced.
GW1 was a perfect example how to do it.
Actually i have no idea why they threw everything over board that made A-Net so successful and invented cheap, no creativity new stuff to replace it.
Two main mistakes I think they made in HoT maps is not being able to solo Hero Challenges and not being able to solo 100% map completions like we can in Core Tyria. If these 2 things were changed, it would be a lot easier to go out and enjoy HoT content without having to worry about constant taxiing and needing other players all doing the same thing you’re doing at the exact same time. Would be so much less limiting.
The only way this game moves forward, in my opinion, if it returns to the type of product it offered early on. And even that might be too late, because so many have become disenfranchised.
I agree with this. I began playing this game because what it offered in the beginning seemed to really fit my playstyle. All MMOs evolve, but I feel like this game has evolved a little too much in the wrong direction. It has been culture shock, so to speak, for me from about LS2 on. Everything seemed just so different from the maps, quests, events, and instances that I loved in the core game. I assumed, incorrectly, that future content would be more of the same fun content that the game began with. The one change to the game that has been really different that I liked was the gliding. Some other things, though, not so much.
I almost forgot about those because of all the kitten that gets in the way of actually enjoying them.
IKR? I guess I should add that I like Masteries like Advanced Glinding, Mushroom Jumping, and Nuhoch Tunnels, but I don’t like grinding the XP on the same few events for Masteries at the bottom like Layline Gliding…
Removing legendaries is a horrible business decision. As someone who enjoys skins, dressing up, and looking nice Legendary weapons are literally my endgame. Removing legendary weapons removes the endgame grind for people who want to have the perfect look. How many of those people do you think buy skins?
All GW2 has ever had for endgame is the dressing up. They’ve got nothing else unless you count the raid now. And one raid just isn’t much. Which is why they need the new legendaries.
I like gliding.
I like the music.
I like the pretty graphics.
I also like to solo Hero Challenges.
I like SW because I don’t have to wait for a certain hour to arrive to do the boss.
I like legendary weapons.
I would definitely put the responsibility on the new player to do enough research to ascertain whether or not a game has GvG regardless of its name if that’s a major thing for them.
So far, I have seen zero successful dismissal of arguments. The arguments still stand.
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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
A restaurant advertises a certain dish. For various reasons, months later, they can’t do that dish anymore. Doesn’t matter the reasons. That’s not a scam. Unless you can prove when Anet announced it they had no intention of doing it. Then it would be a scam.
This is called kitten happens. People need to learn the difference.
No, no. This is not the same thing. If a restaurant advertised a certain dish, then I ordered and paid for said dish and then they only brought me half of it and told me I could have the rest in 6 months, maybe if they don’t change their minds by then.
That would be the same thing.Or if you went into a restaurant and ordered chicken. That’s it. Just chicken and the condition was you had to pay for it up front and they would make it however they felt like and you had to eat it, even if it was some way you didn’t like.
Point being, Anet should have prepared the exac, advertised exactly what was in it and charged for it. Not make promises and/or wishy washy statements about whats to come and expect people to pay for it and be happy with whatever they get.
Okay then. A politician makes a promise. He says I’m going to get this law passes. At the time he makes the promise the senate is republican. Then he gets into office but at the same time, the congress is no longer republican and he can’t pass the law. It’s not fraud. It’s changing circumstance.
Do you have any evidence that when those legendaries were announced, Anet had no intention of delivering them?
Not the same either, unless it was your hard earned money that bought that politician and his promises.
You’re confusing a product bought and paid for but only partially delivered with a restaurant changing its menu (before you buy something) and a politician trying to get elected. Those are awful analogies.
It’s simple, really. They gave us a list of things we were getting for our money. We paid our money for the list. They shortened the list after they pocketed our money. This isn’t right regardless of the reasoning. I’m not going to make excuses for a business where it is their business to accurately plan and produce something they can actually deliver. It’s called good planning and follow-through. Not knowing what you can actually do before you take the money is bad business no matter how you slice it.
I personally think the cap is stupid. If we continue doing dailies and monthlies, we should get the achievement points for doing so. I have never once seen what I consider a good reason for capping. Achievement point hunters and their problems with not getting every single achievement point does not, imo, constitute a valid reason.
All I know is, whatever it is they are doing, it definitely isn’t working. They need a new plan. But too many companies continue using a lousy plan simply because it’s cheaper and easier rather than doing the work of coming up with a working one.
This is a really good question.
And another one…why did they work on the new legendary shortbow before more popular weapons?
Just…no…logic.
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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
I’m less concerned with their intentions and more concerned with their penchant for selling content they don’t later deliver.
Guild Wars 2 has never been about guilds.
Never.
They’d have a lot better time managing class balance changes if they’d get off this ridiculous e-sports kick…
They did say that they don’t want to make a large world, so I don’t really expect to see much more in this game regarding new maps. I think it’s likely that they’re going to try to continue the game without adding any new maps. I think they’re just going to offer new content in the old maps going forward.
IMO, no, it’s not. We’ve never gotten everything that was promised, so the content is not 100%. And I don’t believe we’ll ever get everything that was promised. Not any longer.
Yeah, they told us initially that there would be masteries that would make it easier to kill Mordrem, but apparently, that got scrapped, too…
Would have actually been a nice mastery to have unlike a lot of them.
Trying to say that legendary weapons are niche content that almost no one does is simply ridiculous and a faslehood. A casual romp through the game itself and all the people with their legendaries is proof that this content is, in fact, widely used.
Legendary weapons have always been considered “endgame” content in a game where there is no traditional endgame content. It was content that was supposed to keep people busy long term. It’s a big part of the game. The announcement of new legendaries was very well received and highly anticipated.
The only reason people are saying it doesn’t matter anymore, from what I can tell, is because Anet suddenly needs this content to be unused due to their recent decision and fanboys everywhere need this content to be unused because they need to keep supporting the game’s decisions for some reason I’ll never understand.
But this point of view is very new. Legendaries have always been considered core content and widely used before the infamous announcement.
See, the problem with focusing on gem store items like hairstyles and clothes is I’m not going to buy fluff items for characters that I’m not even playing due to there being no content I can do or not enough people to do the group content in the maps. Why am I going to buy an outfit that I’m never going to see because there’s nothing for my character to do?
This is the problem with the logic of “Oh, we have a small staff so we’ll just make money designing fluff for the store!” Seriously, think about that. Content has to come first, ya’ll…
but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever
“Trying to survive.” Think about that. Says a lot about this game’s success and future right there…
Wow …. no MMO is ever finished. They are all “filled with half-finished projects” They all change their minds about to add or not or change direction. It’s the nature of a game that is always being added to.
Cancelling content you already SOLD is not just stupid, it’s unethical, and there is no excuse for it.
Seriously…
Dude you might as well not waste your time trying to get through to the ‘White Knights’ they are blind even to the facts that are slapping them across the face. Anet could stop producing content and shut down the servers, and they would still defend them.
I tend to agree with you. And if Anet DID stop producing content and shut down the servers, they’d do it a week after taking pre-purchase money in the neighborhood of $100 from their players for a fabulous new expansion.
And yeah, the fanboys and White Knights would be happy about it because they’d be convinced Anet had a good reason for their actions. Go figure.
Judging difficulty is hard because there are so many variables like playstyle that affect it. For me, as a casual player, I found HoT content to be easiest on my Necro and Engineer. I struggled with aspects of it especially on my Elementalist and Thief. I personally found it more challenging that I ever found Orr. I also dislike things about it such as non-soloable HCs and event timers.
The title of this thread….. lol…. Sounds like another announcement from Anet
Haha! This made me laugh in a sad sort of way because I think you;re right – future of GW2.
That said, it’s not like it would kill anyone if there were more than 1 way to get legendary armor. GW2 is making enough mistakes these days that they really can’t afford to tie up their apparently tiny staff making content only a fraction of their playerbase is likely to use and/or enjoy.
Bad business decisions are bad.
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Posted by: Celtic Lady.3729
No storyline is amazing enough that it will keep players coming back day after day, months after months to play the same quests
I agree with you, but even the HoT story was terrible, imo. HoT story content isn’t even in the same universe as “good” much less “amazing.”
I mean, SWTOR class stories are way, way better than the HoT story, and you had 8 of them that were all different, unlike the class stories here, which were unique for the first 8 or so instances and then all merged into the exact same story. Ugh.
shrugs My problem isn’t the challenge. It’s everything else.
Glad you’re enjoying right now, though. I had fun with it for a couple 2 or 3 months.
The maps, their group content, their timers, and assorted issues were annoying in the weeks directly after launch. Months later, these problems are getting worse and maps are getting emptier as people realize they do too much sitting around waiting to taxi to an event map or waiting for help with specific smaller events and hero challenges.
Players are only going to sit around for so long before they decide to find a game where they don’t have to put up with these problems.
I really don’t see why they can’t work on LS3 and the legendaries they promised at the same time. If their staff is really that small, then there is a much larger problem at the heart of it all than their false advertising, as bad as that is.