Guild Wars 2

The Ranger is NEVER brought to the party for DPS, the ranger is brought for support/utility. If you are doing CoF 1 where every encounter is single target then by all means, spec for that.

OH training is too good to pass over for any organized group

Also, you are basing this on math for the ranger where a good chunk of your DPS is single target only (pet)? The boost in damage you gain from increased reflect coverage, lower path of scars/COTW/whirling defense is far superior then the measly boost from your own crit chance/damage, which is BY DEFAULT of lower gains then for other classes.

spotter, frost spirit, good fury, utility. That is why you are brought over a second warrior. A proper group will keep might high and your pet will get it via fortifying bond, so you dont need pet might on crit.

As far as your own DPS goes, single target DPS is far lower then both warriors and thiefs, and it is not effective in a lot of situations as you have to stand still and whack away.

Seriously stop it with brainless copy pasting builds that have been the meta 2 months ago. The loss of dps is minimal compared to the utility you gain from traited offhand training.

25 into wilderness is better then into skirmishing. Play 30 0 25 15 0. OH training so good with OH axe

1.Ranger (traits, pet responsiveness, utilities)
2.Elementalist (survivability in PvP)
3.Engi (useless in PvE)

make the horn or the axe. Both are very versatile and used in both WvW and PvE

How bout we just nerf stealth in WvW?

What stats are you using? Apo? What runes?

Ranger is reliable in PvP and WvW roaming.

As far as PvE, there is a place for the ranger in the current meta. A ranger is superior to a second warrior in a 5 man organized team because the class brings unique buffs, spotter and frost spirit.

ranger can do decent ranged dps compared to other classes ranged dps. The problem is that ranged dps is nowhere near melee dps in this game.

warrior is just OP, thief is badly designed!!! Having said that:

-stealth is natural countered in PvP by not allowing capping
-in WvW there is really no risk for the thief player and the whole fight depends on him. No counterplay to stealth and all that

I have been having many disconnects from the game since the last patch. It happens on average at least once an hour. What happened?

I would love it if dungeon mob mechanics would punish stacking with AOEs or DOTs. I would love it if it was not really safe to stack a corner. But if this was to happen then the clear times would go up significantly, which would also mean that rewards for finishing dungeons should be bigger

15 in NM is a must quite honestly. The shared boons with pet is a big damage increase and you are taken for the frost spirit and spotter anyway.

kitten. happens. Deal with it :p

warrior is the best damage in dungeons when taking both boss fights and corner stacking into account. Thief is better dps for bosses only but lacks solid cleave. Mesmers are taken for reflects and not their dps.

or they can do it the cheap but time consuming way and make them account bound (if you craft them). Tat way you dont upset the prices at all

actually u can duel use zerker and longbow in obsidian sanctum, the jumping part that is :p

you would make it worthless for non power specs then. How about you buff its base value instead and slightly tone down the scaling off HP?

no more please, stop it with gear creep :X

warrior was top dog PvE even without the HS buff.

its +7% crit chance and +7% damage :p

warrior is more reliable and you will never have issues finding a party

People are getting upset that something that should be entirely in their hands is completely out of their hands. And they are right!!!!

For a lack of a better word, the ranger is the closest to what is a support character in this game.
You are taken for spotter and at least frost spirit, i think we can all agree with this much,yes?
You take berserker/assassin stats because defensive stats are pointless for the most part if you want to do an efficient run. We agree on this one as well?

So considering this, you are fixed at taking 20 into MM and 10 into NM. Going 15 into NM is a very nice boon with geting FBond. Everything else is really up for grabs here.

The build you are talking about I play as well, but it has a major flaw. The ranger simply lacks huge damage in a short time frame. This is the case with all auto attacks. There is no HBish attack unless you count maul, but you have no benefit of a short swap timer.
Furthermore, playing 25 skirmishing and taking the pet buff traits, which you do i gather, pushes you into cats. Buffing the dps of anything else is kind of pointless. Cats die, they die a lot in content that has huge bursting potential, hence my comment on how its great at low lisk dungeons, which most speed clear dungeons in the meta are atm. But any harder content, high FOTM, aetherTA, hell even arah, going 25 into WS is better.

What I am trying to say, you are not taken for dps. Even at full dps you are not even close to the DPS classes. They have a much larger spread of situations where they can dps. You have to stand there and keep whacking. So with this logic, as you are taken as a support, you futher burst your support:
-HS with vigor
-frosty spirit
-elite spirit
-perhaps earth spirit
-perhaps SnR as it works even if the pet dies during res

Losing perhaps 10% dps on yourself while massively improving the utility you bring to the party is well worth it. But to each his own.

Again, you are completely missing the point here. You do take 25 in skirmishing for some brainless dungeons where bursting the boss takes precedence over everything else, but in mechanic based dungeons, like high fractals, 25 into WS is far superior. OH training is the best trait the ranger has. There losing 250 precision is meaningless because there really are not that many situations where you can continuously DPS the boss with sword1.

Shorter CD and bigger range on horn/OH axe is much better then some extra damage for yourself. The pet will always be buffed due to FBond.

Sigh…. No it does not because it relies on pets being alive. You are wasting an entire trait line for buffing your damage, which has smaller returns then for other classes, and 2 pet traits which go with glass pets.

Ranger is taken for its utility over a second warrior. And having a huge reflection bubble bonus is really nice added utility.

But whatever, copy paste all you want

Never gonna touch this event

Why am i forced to do raid style events with random people?? Why am i forced to wait for an hour on the main map just to have a shot at doing something with so much reliance on random people???
Raid style events should be an instance where you choose with who and when you do the event!!!

I have no idea why they thought this was OK…. I am confused

Raids should be an instance not an open world event. Then you can start them at your own leisure and choose who you go with. Finishing content, story content no less, with a huge reliance on random people is such insanely stupid design. Who the hell came up with this???

I wish they stopped with open world events. MAKE MORE INSTANCES!!!

the 25 in skirmishing is only better for some easy mode dungeons like CoF1 or CoE. Any other instance where there is a need for increased AOE or reflects, 25 into WS is much better. The increased AOE on axe 5 is huge…. IT IS HUGE for group play

PS: you are just copy pasting a build Brazil talked about.

What if the Human gods are dragons? What if they brought the humans from another world to be food?

Guild instance, not random world with random people who randomly fail

For power builds take Norn

buffing the pet yourself is irrelevant because NM 15 shares boons with the pet and any half decent party will keep boons up. The utility offered by the WS tree simply trumps the terribad traits, both minor and major, in the skirmishing line.

25% extra endurance, AOE vigor, prot on dodge, OH training and 10% more damage at full hp>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fury and swiftness on swap, more pet critical damage and 5 secs of pet might stacking.

NOONE TAKES RANGERS INTO A GROUP FOR DPS!!!!!!!!!

better go 25 into WS then into skirmishing, OH training is worth losing critical chance/damage with increased utility(especially reflection bubble AOE and CD reduction)

This is a PvE trait first and foremost. Very good at it too

Actually, everyone builds dps and then brings some support:
-ranger takes spotter and spirit
-warrior takes FGJ and banner
-guardian takes blocks and reflects
-etc

But there is no dedicated support build though. You can try, but sadly zerking through content is easiest and most efficient

Sadly there is no tanking in this game, there is kill em supper fast so they do not kill us though

you can run anything when on low-medium levels. On higher levels you get instant downed irrelevant of your defense rating so people go full zerk

I always thought EB worked only when pet was alive so idc about that one. Spirits passive, bleh, whatever you use it in team fights to rez allies. 420 or 360 makes no difference to me.

What i do care about if there is anything else going on in there or are we gonna end up again with 70% notes dealing with 5 second cooldown reduction on useless pets F2s like last time!!!

Rangers do not have condi immunity :p. I thing thieves dont either.

if everyones damage is nerfed by 10% then the total groups dps is nerfed by 10% and not by 50%. Lrn2math :p

axe/bows are very equal at the moment, in their level of blehness that is

Marjory – Human Necro-Leader
Rox – Char Ranger
Braham – Norn Guardian
Canach – Sylvari Warrior
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Could be cool and a great platform for better LS presentation

The point i was trying to make is: If there is good character development that furthers the story it is absolutely irrelevant if its a gay romance or not. I am not about to praise or condemn a relationship simply on the fact that it “raises gay awareness” or other such crap.

There is good writing and there is we put this in to cater to the XYZ crowd, but its all irrelevant as we should not be mixing moster slaying with silly and pointless real life crusades.

Actually, in a competent group Ranger takes the place of a second warrior now. The problem is there are competent players which are few and far in between and then there are average people who try to copy things without trying to understand why they are doing what they are doing.

There are a couple of very solid builds with rangers for high tier PvE but all of them end up a sort of spirit build in essence:

1)If you want to do CoF/CoE/whatever speedruns
-you use the build Brazil popularized with 20 25 0 25 0 trait distribution where taking spotter and spirit adept is a must(in all builds is) and taking jungle and black cat

2)For fractals you do not need the super max DPS build because for the most part you want a bit broader utility range and there are 2 variants (thx Chopps for taking the time to discuss things with me)
a)30 0 20 20 0 (or 20 0 20 30 or 20 0 25 25 0)traits distribution. The big ones here are spotter, OH training and 2xSpirit traits. You run Sword/Horn and Axe/Axe with jungle cat and red moa. You dont even have to be full berserker but being focused around DPS is prefered ofc.

Anyway, the ranger can bring so much to the table even though there are design deficiencies. The PvE pet HP buff was a huge boost to viability in high end PvE so pets are less of a risk now.

Bottom line is: Good players will probably ask you what gear/utils/traits you are running as it has been proven that the ranger is harder to use properly then warrior in high end PvE, so u can expect that. But if you show them that you are competent in the build you have chosen they will play with you

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