Guild Wars 2

Dunno. Wanted to have a look at it (preferably in the beta, ofc), didn’t look too bad on the first glance. Though it didn’t create the “must have” feeling GW2 created two years ago, but that might be experience with a certain game now. I’ve just heard from TESO that it’s said to be pretty bad.

xsquared.1926:

What if they give critiCOOL damage a cap like crit chance such as 100% or something? Ofcourse i’m hoping it wont affect PvE that much, but that’s about the best i can hope for right now

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment. Anyone playing GW2 during the last year should have learned that.

And to be honest, I don’t care anymore about the way the devs are running the game into a concrete wall at full speed. They’ve shown so many times that they don’t have any intention to use even a tiny bit of the great potential this game had, so it’s not worth waiting for the change of direction which won’t come.

Well, this thread is hilarious. PM please

frans.8092:

kitten u m i n g things about people and throwing accusations around is stupid. You made assumptions, were wrong with them and now you are not enough man to admit it.

Now it’s getting funny, who exactly was talking about 30% difference? Your second personality?

For the record, getting those results is pretty simple: Take a build calculator and an effective power calculator (or, to make it easier, both in one like buildcraft) and compare the same character with typical buffs (25 might, fury, banners, bloodlust stacks) both with full exotic and full ascended.

There are a few bigger problems in dungeons about which ANet doesn’t care. So why should they do anything in this case?

frans.8092:

Facepalming at the wrong moment does not make you look smart. Do the numbers, I actually did, and come back if you find them very different, then I’ll look back at mine.

Throwing around stupid numbers in the first place is less smart. For the record, I get a difference of 13 – 14%, depending on whether you are desperate enough to put +5 power infusions into every single slot. That’s also what’s realistic, not ridiculously exaggerated stuff like 30%.

arkealia.2713:

Wow changed stats at each extensions, people complained or not and got over it. We’ll adapt.

WoW was always centered around vertical progression, in contrast to GW2. You’re comparing apples and oranges.

Iavra.8510:

Nerfing any type of stat combination is, for me, a very bad solution. Rather than kittening of several hundreds or thousands of players ArenaNet would do much better with designing PvE content in a way that rewards different builds/playstyles.

But that would require effort and, in consequence, costs, so it is most unlikely to happen.

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

I would be embarrassed to admit I was in favor of the potential changes, simply because it would reveal to everyone that I was bad at the game and don’t know how to dodge. I guess some people have very little shame.[…]

QFT.

LarzoSk.5412:

I spent 450g on ascened zerk armor 2 days ago – kitten my life

I made mine yesterday and one hour later, I read about this amazing thing here. Somehow I expect a very convincing argument to join my brother in Planetside 2 when ANet presents the actual changes.

Ah right, there was that trait. Haven’t used it for too long, obviously.

J Eberle.9312:

I love this. Best part is the leave the dungeon icon for not wearing zerk. <3

You evil, evil elitist!

A change to the worse is about as likely as the “Amen” in the church, I guess.

At least for the moment, that’s the most sensible approach. Who knows what kind of crap they’ll produce when they start to address the berserker issue.

spoj.9672:

Nike recommends assassins helm chest and legs. I did that and kind of regret it because they are useless on world bosses, nightmare tree and so on. The difference is minor for regular stuff but its a larger difference on non crit stuff.

Yes, I’m happy that I arrived at the decision to stay with full zerker. IIRC, the difference was +0.07 % for crittable targets, but it’s more than -1.5 % for structures.

Now that one makes me curious. What am I missing that being unable to crit would be a big deal for the scepter? Right now I’d estimate that it should hit all weapons the same.

Source is this braindead post:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/balance/PvE-Revising-the-DPS-Meta/first#post3480529

Somehow I expect the devs to take the route that is as lame as possible.

Well, now there are two possible paths:

a) Nothing will happen at all. Since the devs don’t understand the game, they will change some stuff that does not affect anyone. I’d prefer it this way.

b) They accidentally hit something that really changes the game and breaks it. At least that would be a good argument to put GW2 finally to rest.

Yeah great. Signet of Wrath itself is a pretty giant fail in almost any situation and casting it and scepter 3 costs time and therefore damage, working against the whole purpose of somehow maximizing DPS.

laharl.8435:

Mhmm, ranging isn’t tanking.

Some warlock tanks from the good old time would tend to disagree

Great video, I had a good laugh.

A build which offers both worse damage and worse support than the meta is pointless. Especially if it’s supposed to fill the same niche, in this case DPS.

When you have basically one role (doing damage, since there’s no trinity anymore), it’s quite difficult to come up with more than one build that can be considered “optimal”. Though in three of the four classes I play regularly, there is still quite some diversity even inside the meta.

Wasbunny.6531:

The main errors that were made when calculating the build’s damage were ignoring the following principles when calculating DPS contribution.

I’m pretty sure that Nemesis’ build falls short of being the best DPS build in most cases even when you ignore all this stuff. As long as the target isn’t a single target, doesn’t have a giant hitbox and is immobile, I’d expect the meta to do more DPS. Not to speak of all the support and the possibility of Unscathed Contender (why does he even ignore that trait in a stupid ranged build?).

foofad.5162:

But 12 stacks does translate to about a 30-odd percent damage boost. So that’s pretty neat.

Not even close, unless you take crap like giver gear for granted. It’s rather 12-14%.

It is the cooldown. Remember how the skills moved around when they nerfed the greatsword symbol through the ground.

The effectiveness of a staff guardian in PvE is about as great as the effectiveness of no player at all. The only reason for using that weapon is tagging lootbags in temple zergs or PvD.

There is a whole sticky on that topic …

Berner.7289:

Someone made a solid analytical comparison in the Guardian forums, and the basic conclusion was that Soldiers (PVT) and Knights are essentially equivalent from a damage standpoint. See https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/visualized-dps-difference-between-specs/3202862. There were some critiques of the methodology, but its the best comparison I’ve seen.

For better or worse, this data doesn’t support the long-held theory that Knights is the better “training wheels” armor. They are about equal. By corollary, both PVT and Knights are equally bad as compared to full Berserker. However, old misconceptions die hard, and people cling tightly to the notion that Knights is somehow better than PVT.

Ironically, between the two (Knights and Soldiers), PVT is far and away the more useful set. For the world bosses against who you cannot crit (e.g., Teq, Shatt, Golem, SB, etc.) PVT is the optimal armor selection. So when you do graduate to Zerk (and you absolutely should, as quickly as possible) the old PVT set still has a decent amount of value. Knights — not so much.

Wrong. Knight does yield more damage than PVT. However, as frifox already pointed out, damage alone is not the only relevant thing in this case. Constantly having Vigor due to the on crit traits (knight) or lacking it (soldier) is a giant difference, especially for starters.

As for the rest, who cares for gear in an open world zerg? Tequatl is the only one where you’d notice some usefulness of PVT and even that can be done easily in zerker.

I agree with Nike. With regard to the general state of game and community, comparing strife’s to this nonsense is like comparing apples and oranges.

J Eberle.9312:

I don’t think we will ever get an official response to this

There is only one possible ANet statement in this forum: “Blah blah … please keep the tone civil … blah blah.” Nothing else.

Why should anyone waste an entire hour on watching a video from a guy who has no idea of the class? Looking at the trait menu he shows at ~10 min is more than enough.

Arlette.9684:

+1 for having this fixed. I’m honestly surprised that after a year and a half they still haven’t addressed some basic issues like this.

There are so many basic issues they haven’t addressed, just another one is no surprise.

Finnway.2183:

I wondered when he was going to make another video. I hope he hops in this thread. He usually puts up a pretty good argument for his builds, and I’d like to see why he thinks this is better than the meta.

I doubt you can make anything reasonable out of that build.

curtegg.5216:

Interesting look at a high dps guardian build here (pure assassin):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMpyuieGyhc

That’s a crap build, not a high DPS build. Do not use it.

This kind:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first

At least any halfway intelligent people.

It’s very old knowledge that the scepter can be strong against certain types of single targets. However, they need to have a large hitbox and to be immobile if you want the scepter to be viable. And now think about how often you meet such targets compared to anything else.

robertul.3679:

Also, did you guys notice the guardian meta has been shook from the grounds?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMpyuieGyhc

Unless the meta got a heart attack due to how bad that build is, it doesn’t change anything. Except that, since it’s Nemesis, I expect a lot of fools to run around with a bad build in the near future.

The comments below the video are amazing. So many clueless people …

The point about the whole thread is simple: The dungeon forum is constantly ignored by the devs and this thread addressed exactly that problem. So moving the thread into a forum where it will be ignored is just … ANet.

Substance E.4852:

I was excited for GW2 at the start of 2013. Let’s just say I am much less so at the start of 2014.

Me too. 2013 has shown quite clearly that we don’t need to expect any good developments from the unliving story.

Quite interesting that the posts quoting swiftpaw’s deleted one are still there. But yes, that post is telling nothing but the truth. GG, ANet.

deSade.9437:

…

I’d bet that someone will appear who believes all this.

Is the 170 power banner missing just in the buff list or in the calculations themselves, too?

Have a look at the numbers in the grey boxes, it’s II and VII. So yeah, EA and spotter.

There was an awesome build guide around here (Spiritual Burning Druid), but ANet considered the spirit weapons to bad to be advertised and thus deleted the guide

The torch is no offensive, but simply a useless offhand.

fadeaway.2807:

CptAurellian.9537:

Empower allies? Did I miss something?

You guys don’t run full shout warriors?

Nah, shouts are for noobs. Full physical!

Empower allies? Did I miss something?