Guild Wars 2

carried by blinding ashes and burning lol

As a condi ele player I’m not too fussed about the burning buffs/nerfs that have and are about to happen; I mostly relied on bleeds.

I would love it as you said if Ring of Earth could get 3 stacks of bleed, because as a #2 skill it doesn’t really do much except for block projectiles… which hardly anyone knew about. Compare it to other attunements, other #2 skills have significant uses whereas the earth #2 only applies 1 stack of bleed and cripple. This is all in a condition-playstyle scenario. With a dps build I know that skill does a considerable amount of damage.

If elementalists were ever able to get poison someone I’d wish it to come from the earth trait line or the skills, preferably from #1 to #3.

Blinding Ashes along with this 666 trait system and new burn implementation was getting out of hand. I’m very happy that it’s getting toned down as any player be it new or old could easily use the meta build and essentially be unstoppable with it.

One last thing I’ll say is the earth major traits are kinda useless. There’s only one trait worth taking from the majors and that is Earth’s Embrace. I would never take anything else other than that trait as the others do not really do much, especially Serrated Stones; this trait in particular is in need of a rework. Maybe combine the two together?

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

We seriously need some bleed support. All of our weapons have some bleeding in earth and we have a single utility that bleeds (signet of earth) and a ridiculously bad adept trait in earth, but that’s it.

Are you talking about Serrated Stones? I wouldn’t use that either… I wish they could improve on that somehow because I will definitely pick Earth’s Embrace from the 3 all the time.

Ghotistyx.6942:

If you’re just getting poison to replace sigil of doom with torment, why not just get torment?

There’s lots of different ways to go about it

expensive

What would you like A-Net to add to ele that would help your condi build out?

I say if we had some access to poison maybe from a earth skill or something we wouldn’t be restricted to Sigil of Doom all the time. I could probably use some other sigil like Torment or w/e.

Share your ideas whether it be traits or sigils etc.

If you’re here to troll or insult you can close your browser now, goodbye.

don’t listen to these d/d fanboys.
go d/f carrion amulet with krait runes – geomancy/doom sigil – signet of earth.
E/W/A
go have fun with your new build and dust off your d/d hype shame.

EremiteAngel.9765:

Hey guys I’ve always wonder who are the top roamers per class in NA and EU.
I’m not referring to only those who stream/twitch a lot, but also those who don’t but have really wowed you, either as your friend or your foe.

and may I know what are the builds they are using?

thanks!

me

OneKlicKill.4285:

Yeah I think your build is survivable 1v1 and arguably pretty good in that case, although in spvp 1v1s quickly turn into 2v1s 2v2s and more. I still dont think carrion is better than celest for your build (In spvp) i think celest + scavenge or krait runes if you wana go the krait route, you jsut dont squeeze enough condi out of it while throwing a lot of survival taking no toughness or + to healing.

I’ll play with it and give further feedback, but I don’t think it reaches the level of competitive, possibly reaches viable in certain team comps. (again only talking spvp, wvw I think it can be good)

Trust me on this when I say I’ve been editing this build since March last year. I’ve tried all the things you’re saying like celestial, scavenger runes and all types of other stuff, and this is what I’ve come up with in the end. You don’t even need healing power anymore tbh, and you with Written In Stone you have more than enough toughness thanks to the maintained passive effect of Signet of Earth so it wont lower in stat when used.

You say I have no survival, but it has plenty. You don’t have to go balls deep into earth and fire trees, and not use water. In my build I use Earth, Water, and Arcana and my reasoning for that is so I can 1v2 for a while till help arrives (talking about pvp since you like it).

I’m sorry that you fell victim to a build you couldn’t beat before.

Thanks for the feedback so far.

Prism.5649:

Here’s the thing, as many people have said, condi ele is great the first time you fight someone because you will almost assuredly beat them through the advantage of surprise. However, after that initial fight any decent player will realize what you are running and will not let themselves be caught off guard again and you will have a significantly more difficult time beating them. Plus as has been said, the lack of mobility really drags it down, especially in WvW.

This build is in no way bad, and I applaud you for looking for new options instead of running cookie cutter builds.

It is not, however, even remotely close to a meta build. It does not have the mobility or reliability that a good WvW roamer needs. This build relies largely on the gimmick of surprise and once that is gone the only people you’re going to be winning against are people who do not play their class properly (as was evident in your video).

It’s great the first time, and every time. It’s true what you’re saying about decent players being caught off-guard, but the same cannot be said for the ones that are used to fighting a build like this. Could you still blame it on a surprising gimmick when they lose repeatedly?

FrownyClown.8402:

the main problem I see with condi ele for roaming is how slow you can be and how easy it is to be kited. They are more effective than traditional eles for sure though. I don’t play condi ele in wvw much because its almost as cheesy as condi pu mesmer.

That’s a rude thing to say, lol. I wouldn’t put condi ele on the same level as a PU mesmer or any other kinda class like perplexity necro. Classes like those are much worse, but can still be beaten by condi ele. It’s just underrated.

Over.2137:

Condi ele meta? nice joke m8

Typical d/d ele yh?

I use the carrion amulet since I have around 2.2-3k armor already thanks to Signet of Earth and once that is used it wont go back to the original toughness value because Written in Stone is slotted.

Most of the good players I see in WvW would not get caught off-guard by me because by now they should know who I am as I’m like the only condi ele that actively roams in T1 EU.

I wouldn’t say those two are just my main sources of damage. I also use the Sigil of Geomancy which gives 3 stacks of bleed, so combine that with SoE you get 8. The other source of condition damage I have is when I drop my FGS (or use elite close to them) on an enemy which gives torment, poison and bleed thanks to the Krait runes.

I swap to the fire traits instead of earth from time to time, and yeah you are kinda right what you said about swapping LF and the meta stuff. If I ran celestial in pvp or wvw it wouldn’t have the same effect. It would be a more sh#ttier version of the build itself. Regarding the utilities I’m not always restricted to using the 2 cantrip ones. I use the earth and fire signet together with AoE against players that I think that wont dish out conditions as much as others would.

If you like would you want to see me fighting in pvp since the stats are different there?

For 1v1s yeah it could be meta, and you are certainly right about it being slow. My aim is just for people to recognise condi ele and not slant it for being a sh#tty build, because it’s not, lol.

OneKlicKill.4285:

When people talk about builds being dead they talk about it in an Spvp perspective. Spvp does not have the luxury of stat variability that wvw has and thus condi/signet builds sits in a much worse place.

Also very few of your opponents had condi clense in their builds, and those that did didnt use them properly. I dont believe your build wouldn’t cut it against good builds/players let alone be on the level of hybrid builds (celestial version of wvw)

Even in ranked spvp I use this build and do extremely well as you’re able to 1v1 on points and sometimes 1v2. You would be surprised about how well this build does against good players and “good builds”.

Signet builds are not dead and condi ele will be the new meta, but you guys have to stop being afraid of not winning with celestial D/D.

Just wanted to show you some of the fights I had since I don’t record much and to prove condi ele is good.
http://youtu.be/olADYk4P_2w

I’m ready for your feedback and insults, but be warned your insults will have no effect

sorrychief.2563:

a prophecy soon to come?

I’m quite lazy atm, but should I make a video?

Signet builds are not dead

Hmm alright, I can do that. I’ll try to get as many 1vX fights as I can.

I will post my build separately soon in another thread, but I was wondering if you guys wanted to see a condi build with perplexity or not since I’m making a video for it too.

If not then I can easily make one with Superior Rune of the Krait.

Condi ele is underrated. Everyone thinks they are either sh#t or another class can do it better i.e. “oh u wannabe necro”. Just because we don’t have access to poison without sigil help or transfer conditions, people think we are trash. Compared to other condi classes we have loads of condi removal from weapon skills/traits and utilities.

I roam daily and face people with all kinds of builds and 95% of the time I win. I would only lose to those burst mesmers and occasional thief (got c#cky). What I’m trying to say is is that condi ele is sick and you guys need to play it to see what it’s like or shut the f#ck up.

- and it’s also good in small scale fights too. The burst may be slightly slow, but it is extremely effective. The conditions stacking up are a beautiful sight to see from an ele.

Jaetara.4075:

Still after the changes I don’t feel that Ele can play effective Condi, but time will show…

condi ele has been effective for ages. stop playing meta d/d

Don’t use kitten like Diamond skin since there’s no point if you want to 1 vs X. If you’re going 6 into earth use traits X and VII (Geomancer’s Alacrity and Strength in Stone).

20% cooldown reduction on earth skills and gain 10% condition damage based on your toughness. Way better and far more beneficial than using Diamond Skin or Stone Heart w/e if you plan to fight more than 1 person.

People have been using condi builds for ages. It’s nothing new.

Fuzzion.2504:

eles trying to be necros. cute.

It really is cute when I can beat almost all of them

EremiteAngel.9765:

are you a diamond ele dahir?

Nope. I use 00644 (d/f) now with Geomancer’s Alacrity and Strength in Stone. It does really well against condition builds.

Thanks Kraljevo :P

cursE.1794:

MadRabbit.3179:

Looks like a version of the D/F Signet Condition build that has been modified to be worse.

Exactly what I was thinking.

You and that madrabbit guy are really something…

@Andromeda,
I used to use perplexity during late 2014, but I learnt that I don’t really need it to win; kinda going overboard tbh. When I see builds like the one you posted with 6 in fire and air, I think to myself “how do you guys even survive if you are fighting more than 1 player?”

I would use it if I wanted to, but I like to keep my points in other trait lines for survivability since eles cant do kitten. Other than that you got a nice build if you’re going for 1v1.

Mohagi.2738:

I run with very similar stats, though a little more healing a little less condie dmg.

I dont really get why you would go 6 in earth though, going 0-0-4-4-6 for evasive arcana gives you more sustain and more condie application with offensive rolls?

Geomancer’s Alacrity

Maybe next time, sorrychief ^^

UPDATE

Superior Rune of the Krait instead of Nightmare.
Less condition duration for more condition damage.
Apothecary/Dire instead of Apothecary/Shaman.

Enjoy

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFUQJAodhcM6b2zwxBf0AeABxwoxHDBFPXB-ThSFABAYCSG1KKRPgUKh8UJYCnAAaUV5JlPps/ACPAASBsoyK-e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNO9Nw9AMRo

something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnw5mJbkyFk (old build)

Yep, I’m stuck at 99% with 1 file remaining. Tried to restart client, but no luck.

Enemy was right in front of me
I use Magnetic Grasp
Enemy moves a little to the left
MG completely ignores the enemy

I doubt this will get fixed soon or ever will tbh

@Frowny, I used to change my runes almost twice a week because I’d get bored. I know Undead gives better damage, but I fancied a change you know. I liked the idea of fearing others through Nightmare runes.

At one point I even tried runes like Flock and Scavenging, for different effects of play.

MadRabbit.3179:

@Dahir

I don’t feel very enlightened.

Traditional Terrormancer build

From weapons alone, you have 2 stacks of bleed off Mark of Blood, 2 from Enfeebling Blood and 2 from Grasping Dead.

That’s 6 stacks from non-autoattack weapon skills.

Now, if you take Sigil of Geomancy in your weapon, that’s 9.

Moving on to slot skills, you get 2 more stacks from Sigil of Spite, so we are at 11.

In Death Shroud, they get 3 more from Dark Path so that’s 14.

If you use corrupt boon, you potentially get X more stacks from boon to condition conversion.

This doesn’t factor in the bleeds from scepter auto attack, the bleeds on critical hit from traits and even more bleeds on critical hit if they go with weapon Sigil of Earth.

So all this amounts to, more bleed stacking potential than your build.

They also natively get access to Torment and Poision stacks and potentially burn from Corrupt Boon.

As far as condition removal, their healing skill removes all conditions on a 25 second cd, the ability to transfer 3 conditions back to you with staff’s Putrid Mark and if they take Well of Power, they can potentially convert 5 conditions into boons.

And they can tank you with Death Shroud.

That’s all nice and dandy, but will I be standing there the whole time letting those things hit me? I have two skills that make me invulnerable and block attacks, plus I’ll be dodging, evading skills through my own, reflecting projectiles (possible condi projectile idk I don’t play necro), cleansing through water and other skills. I won’t be letting myself have the enemy’s bleed stack on me so easily, lol, but I can.

The signet immobilizes you for 6 seconds whilst giving you 5 stacks of bleed. Now once I get close to you I’ll have enough time to switch attunements to activate Geomancy (3 bleed stacks) plus go to Earth and immobilize you again with Earth #3 for 4 seconds. In that time he necromancer will probably think “sh#t, let me get rid of it all with my epic all cleanse healing skill”. Don’t forget I have 2 interrupt skills (air #5 and water #5). It’s fairly obvious that when they have a high amount of condi from the get go they will cleanse it asap.

Kodiak.3281:

Basically looks like a tanky (High HP, High Tough, High Heal) Condi build which is pretty easy to do in a variety of ways when you have access to WvW/PvE consumables and goods.

The real question is what can you do for a SPvP build which doesn’t have access to most of the stuff you use?

For example Givers Weapons are off the table. So is Food and Consumables. Your Condi duration will drop to a mere 15% with this build from the Runes alone.

It’s not meant for pvp. Only wvw.

MadRabbit.3179:

Looks like a version of the D/F Signet Condition build that has been modified to be worse. You have little condition cleanse and waste traits to reduce recharge time on single slot skills and one attunement.

All you have to damage is burn, bleeds and wasting a sigil to get poison, so I don’t see how you can NOT you cannot camp Earth and spam auto attack if you want to get more than 5-6 stacks of bleed. Even with that, you won’t get the same stacks of bleeds that a necro can manage.

A standard terrormancer build can stack like twice the conditions as you can with way better condition removal since you run healing sigil over ether renewal. I’m not sure how they are not wiping the floor with you.

Let me enlighten you kind sir.

So you have Signet of Earth – 5 stacks of bleeding and immobilize on its own which lasts for 13 seconds. Then you have Sigil of Geomancy – 3 stacks of bleeding on it’s own every 9 seconds which last for 18 seconds.

This is all due to the 85% condition duration.

Now, you say I will need to camp Earth attunement to get 5-6 stacks… there you have 8 and I haven’t even used a single Earth attunement auto attack. Let’s say I hit you with SoE and Geomancy plus a couple earth AA and Earth skill #2, that is 11 stacks of bleeding right there.

Onto the next bit. You say I don’t have much condi cleanse? May I refer you to my utilities and Earth skill #4.
Cleansing Fire – Cure three conditions and burn foes. – 32 second cooldown
Magnetic Wave – Damage foes, cure three of your conditions, and reflect projectiles with a magnetic surge. – 20 second cooldown

Also, you have a single condi cleanse on swapping to Water attunement.

Is that not enough condition clearing for you? I have not encountered a necromancer that could bleed more than I do and I haven’t been able to clear it.

I await your reply.

edit: @Lawful – I might make one soon

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFUQJAodhcM6b2zwxBf0AeABxwoxHDBFPXB-TRSHwAY0DoStCh7PIXJoSlQBeAAAOBAHV+QSVFSBsoyK-e

• 85% condition duration and fairly high condi damage
• Nightmare runes = fun
• Lots of bleed = fun
• Doesn’t need perplexity
• Not staying in one attunement to spam conditions
• Can handle more than 1 player sometimes (depends on class)

• When facing warrior or sometimes a thief, you can switch out Geomancer’s Alacrity for Stone Heart. Also, Cleansing Fire for Armor of Earth if you feel you need more stability.
• If you think you can’t handle the condi from a necromancer (you should tbh) go Diamond Skin…
• Easiest class to beat are engineers and condi thieves!!!
• Condi mesmers are easy – Power mesmers will f#ck you over with this build. (only weakness)
• Condi rangers are easy too, but sometimes take a while to kill since they remove conditions a lot.

You will get a sh#t-ton of QQ and crybabies through whispers, but it’s okay. Tell them to get some condi clear!

Enjoy your new build.

UPDATE

Superior Rune of the Krait instead of Nightmare.
Less condition duration for more condition damage.
Apothecary/Dire instead of Apothecary/Shaman.
Enjoy
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fFUQJAodhcM6b2zwxBf0AeABxwoxHDBFPXB-ThSFABAYCSG1KKRPgUKh8UJYCnAAaUV5JlPps/ACPAASBsoyK-e
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNO9Nw9AMRo

Jski.6180:

Asura make for the best 1v1 condition ele and super hard to pick out in a GvG or zerg vs zerg BUT sylvari has a better elite for zerg vs zerg then Asura though if your aim if for elite human is the best way to go. Every races but say the char has a benefit for the Ele class as far as i know Charrzooka maybe better then FGS i am not sure though.

Wrong.

As far as I know Asuras only have the confusion utility and radiation field. Sylvaris are better suited for a condition ele than Asuras because of the racial elites. They have Take Root and Summon Sylvan Hound.

Take Root is good for 1vX as you are immune for 3 seconds when it’s activated and it spawns multiple seed turrets that bleed any enemy around you.

The Sylvan Hound is immune to conditions and also poisons/bleeds your target.

Sylvaris also have utilities that could help a condition ele, but are rarely used like Grasping Vines and Seed Turret. Humans can be good condi eles too with their racial elite. I don’t know about their utilities though.

I’m telling you condi ele is the strongest

You guys don’t read

condi ele is the strongest when played right

coglin.1867:

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

The point isn’t so much whether it’s OP or not, but rather that it’s a stupid design. You shouldn’t be punished for defending yourself.

I disagree. I feel it is an absolutely brilliant design. You shouldn’t be rewarded for spamming skills while not being aware of your surroundings.

Similarly, you shouldn’t be rewarding for not carrying enough condition removal. Too many people focus to much on offense, then blame the game when they dye due to a lack of defensive capabilities. Such a dreadful shame to see folks unable to accept responsibility for their own mistakes if you ask me.

It’s a nice rune. I use it, but on an ele, not engi, necro, thief… whatever. It does the job and even makes people rage and immediately whisper me. Is it the perplexity user’s fault you don’t have condition cleanse while roaming or whatever? Did you expect everyone to be power?

Lol, no.

Maybe invest in a couple defensive utilities and not expect a perfect 12k hit eviscerate win or 99,000 backstab damage

cursE.1794:

If you don’t like d/d, I would suggest you try a d/f signet/condition build with perplexity runes. It’s a completely broken way of playing an ele yet crushes almost everything you’ll engage in a 1v1 situation by the price of throwing away your mobility.

Yeah, you can do that, but perplexity is not needed. If you want to you can, but expect everyone to hate you haha… I am the no1 example

Alternative suggestion is to use Balthazaar rune for more burning duration or Flock for blinding every 10 seconds (blinding lasts for 5 secs)

Am I the only one who still uses the original F1-F4 for attunements and 1-6 for skills? (utility and elite on my mouse)

From what I saw I think you are using 4/4/4/2/0, am I right?
Looked like you had a fair amount of damage. Saw you waste a signet on a clone when you were fighting the Miller’s Sound mesmer in the west borderland camp, lol. May I ask what sigils you use on your weapons?

It looks like you fare well when it’s one opponent, how does it do against two or more?

When the fire skills on focus become somewhat good to use then you can say that.

Hmm, I may try this.

AshinDreidon.3861:

I run Celestial amulet with Pirate Runes- 3 cantrips and Ether renewal. sigils I usually use battle/energy or doom/energy.

Good balance of support and damage. I have good success with is soloQing.

Pack or Pirate runes? How good are Pirate runes?

I use a blinding ashes build that revolves around dagger/focus weapons. My build is condition-based, not power… but it is still a fun build to use regardless.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/WvW-broski-s-condition-ele-vids

build link in the description of the vids – no runes there because I keep changing them

a little side note… if you want to p#ss people off and make them mad use rune of perplexity!

sorrychief.2563:

gotta love that rabbit finisher. your original build made me a believer in 30 fire, heck, I’ve even used it to duel some of my old tpvp guildies and it left them sore.

Thanks a lot bro. Your comments always make me smile!

I changed the title because I wanted a thread where I could post my vids instead of repeatedly creating many.

some duels, 2v1s and a little something at the end. <3 SFR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnw5mJbkyFk

MightyMicah.7451:

Why you gotta get it banned in Germany! Can’t watch :,(

Sorry mate, I will upload an even better video tomorrow or later. Hopefully wont be banned in any country :P

Neko.9021:

Ele Condition Damage build in PvE is pretty bad, sorry. Honestly I think it’s pretty bad in all formats, though I’ve started to see some Signet-Condi Eles in sPvP (that I don’t think are that good) and of course Perplexity Runes can turn almost anything into a passable condi build in WvW.

For WvW, you don’t really need perplexity runes to make condi builds usable. After half a year of constant b#tching, I’ve seen the light lol.

But I still get hate