Guild Wars 2

Wow lol nice find.

Ulion.5476:

Well condition eles got some love.

I’m very, very happy right now.

Clownmug, nice suggestions.

Add new conditions via traits or skills. (maybe Lightning Touch and Ring of Earth)

Bring back the Mercenary Amulet for pvp cos that was the only amulet my build actually worked well with… Sage is mediocre—I want my toughness back because baseline stats suck.

Bring this fire trait back so it can work well with the Tempest trait Invigorating Torrents https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fire's_Embrace

BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS -
Buff the signets so that they’re actually useful. In the whole of pvp, wvw, and even roaming, I’ve only seen people use Signet of Earth; this signet is the most useful out of them all. You’ll never see anyone use Water. Fire is used for the lols and maybe in pve. Air is used for speed when running to an objective.
BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS BUFF THE SIGNETS

If only you brought in some kind of signet elite instead of Rebound, something that would focus on conditions.

I actually like Evasive Arcana because it gives two burning stacks when you dodge in Fire. Maybe when I dodge in Earth you’d make it so that it deals Torment (2 stacks pls) instead of Bleed? That would make for some interesting build diversity.

Not really a fan of Lightning Touch tbh. Weakness is meh, I want something better.

FIX MAGNETIC GRASP FIX MAGNETIC GRASP FIX MAGNETIC GRASP
Always out of bloody range— the most buggiest skill in gw2.

Glyph of Elemental Power has the potential to be such a great skill. Buff it pls. Give more burns or something… reduce cooldowns… add something new to it.

Don’t touch Cleansing Fire.
Don’t touch Cleansing Fire.
Don’t touch Cleansing Fire.

Fix Conjures.

My elementalist was created 3 years 11 months ago.
Played for 8,485 hours.
Listen to me, ArenaNet.
I know what I’m talking about.

pls make condi ele great
been playing it for 2 years now and have been able to fight most classes evenly despite using a massively underrated build.
buff condi ele pls much appreciated xxx

I agree with your Freezing Gust suggestion. We need another damaging condition on ele.

katniss.6735:

That is all.

Me too. I think it’s time to make a Revenant.

Shocking Aura is your friend.
Don’t have Armor below 2500

Josh Davis.6015:

Heya! This is fixed internally. Will be out with the next balance update.

Hi Josh,

Any chance you could comment on my thread “Signet of Water – make this signet useful”?

Almost makes me want to buy an alt account for NA just to beat this cele ele.

Nikkinella.8254:

No matter what they do, I think most eles will agree that signets are pretty lackluster. I mean, they used to have a use when we had that trait in fire. But how often do any of our signets get used now? even our healing signet isnt used that much anymore, except by a few stubborn few of us that still play d/d despite how meh that build is now. Hell, even glyphs, our terrible glyphs see more use than our signets now. I dont know, maybe people use them in pve, I have no clue about that. But in wvw they’re trash.

So true.

Is this the trait you were talking about? Fire’s Embrace. I would really love for this trait to come back. I even made a thread about it last month.
When you activate a signet, you gain a fire shield.

Combine that with Invigorating Torrents and you’ll be able to cleanse conditions via auras and activating signets. If that’s not enough then consider this, you’ll have insane amount of condi removal if you have Cleansing Water, Invigorating Torrents and Burning Fire selected. The Fire trait line would be good again, plus it helps certain builds out.

Let’s not forget about Sunspot. This trait inflicts damage at your location when you attune to fire and you gain a fire aura. More condi removal! You wouldn’t even need Arcane attunement anymore if you’re still using it.

If this doesn’t open up build diversity then I don’t know what will.

Kyon.9735:

Here are my proposed changes for their active skills.

Signet of Air – Teleport to your foe and stun them for 1s if you hit. Range 900, CD 30s. Breaks stun. Requires target (target doesn’t need to be in range)
-More in-battle mobility and control/setup

Signet of Water – Freeze your target for 2s. Range 1200, CD 40s. 2s cast time.

Signet of Fire – Add 2 stacks of torment and daze your target for 2s. Range 1200, Retain current CD. 1s cast time

Signet of Earth – Remove Immobilize and Cripple effect, add 2s knockdown. blockable Range 1200, CD 50s. 2s cast time.
- On the contrary, we can make it unblockable but reduce the range significantly.

Reason for changes – open up possibilites for Control Ele and more setup for DPS Eles. As all ele knows, we need as many defensive utilities and traits. Going for 2 or more of these signets reduces survivability significantly so I think these changes are balanced

#BringBackTheControlEle
#NoMoreBunkering

Edit: changed CDs and added ccast time

I like your ideas. With Signet of Air I would keep it at 1,200 range because 900 sucks (Lightning Flash as an example). Since your suggestion requires a target I would imagine it’d be harder to pull off if you somehow manage to de-target while fighting and in a real need to port away.

For Water, when you say freeze your target, do you mean like the reaper elite that freezes/stuns? If so, I’d like that a lot, but the passive for this particular signet annoys me. I feel that 10 seconds to remove one condition is maybe a bit too long. Why not remove 2 conditions instead? That sounds reasonable.

Nice idea with torment added to Signet of Fire. Condi ele users would love this (I DO), but I think the daze may be a bit too much; wouldn’t mind it though.

Would your Signet of Earth changes work? Sometimes using a signet while immobilized wont work because the target may be behind you or on the side, so would it still work if the skill misses? Like I said before with Fire, the knockdown may seem OP so I wouldn’t even know if they’d implement this change onto the signet. I still like the idea, just seems a bit much.

Nikkinella.8254:

You’re right about it being crappy. I dont think i’ve ever used it at all since this game came out. It’s just plain terrible. Personally, I’d prefer they make it remove a condition only when you have one as a passive, or a -33% condition duration as a passive. Preferably the – condition duration. Or possibly something similar to the scrapper’s trait that reduces condition damage you take by 20%. Or maybe something entirely original that they’ve never done before. “As long as this signet is active you cannot be affected by more than 3 different conditions at once.” And make the active remove 5 condis or give you 10s of resistance.

If we had something like that we wouldnt be forced to take so many traits and utilities just to survive and it would open up more dps oriented builds for roaming in wvw. It sucks being forced to take every condi removal we have available and still being overwhelmed by the ridiculous amount of condi spam going on in wvw. Personally im really in favor of making it so that we cant have more than a certain amount of condis affecting us at once. or maybe make it so we cant have more than 5 stacks of any condi on us.

I completely forgot about resistance. I like what you said towards the end, “As long as this signet is active you cannot be affected by more than 3 different conditions at once.” And make the active remove 5 condis or give you 10s of resistance." I would definitely use this signet if it were changed to this.

reikken.4961:

sending conditions is not fitting of the elementalist class in general

a way to make signet of water more useful would be to have it only remove a condition when you actually have a condition. As it is it just triggers every 10 seconds, whether you have one or not, so that when you do have one it’s on cooldown and won’t remove it for another 6 or so seconds, which is obviously useless.

This would probably make more sense as well, but I am really liking the resistance idea Nikkinella posted earlier.

Maybe have it increase healing power or vitality as a passive and as an active it can remove 5 conditions.

Last night I was thinking of how we could make signets great again. We have two main signet utilities that are used frequently by most elementalists: Signet of Fire and Signet of Earth.

To me, these two signets are fine, along with Signet of Air. The main problem is Signet of Water. This signet is so useless. I don’t think there’s been a situation where I’ve said to myself this signet would be useful or beneficial to my build. I’m pretty sure I haven’t seen any elementalist with this signet’s buff on their bar.

What I’m proposing here today are changes to this signet (hoping ArenaNet is reading this):

• Keep the passive as it is and maybe reduce it to 6-8 seconds. Change the active to a skill similar to the necromancer’s Plague Signet.
  The range on both skills are 1,200. Have this Signet of Water become a stun-breaker and make the active send conditions to a foe, ideally 3-5. You could also make the passive AoE so that it affects allies too.

By doing this, you’ll be opening up a lot more build options and ways to play the elementalist class differently. You’d be seeing a lot more signet builds come into play, hopefully causing an end to this boring meta.

I have a few more ideas in mind, but they don’t really compliment the concept of Signet of Water.

Please share your own suggestions and changes you’d like to see happening to this signet or any other you feel that isn’t up to scratch.

I have no idea.

build in description
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeLS8fYsg0w
condi ele is viable

this works for pvp and wvw

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodnUMA9Ng9XCOOAcYiFTAjoCEAaAFngSQIwtsmWjrA-TJRHABA8AAC4EAUx+D3XGAA

Guizao.4167:

Ryou.2398:

Dahir.4158:

Pretty much, yeah.

I see, yea people tend to never say its pvp in the forums and act like its the only mode in the game.

Because it’s the only game mode that elementalists are forced to stick with a healing build and it’s the only game mode that has never seen a single proper DPS build for elementalist.

I used to use the Mercenary amulet before it was removed which had some toughness/power/vitality/condi dmg, but now I have to stick with Sage which has healing power instead of toughness. I could stick with Carrion if I wanted to, but then I’d have no toughness or healing power.

Whatever we do we’re always gonna need either healing power or toughness. Until A-Net realises how crap the health/toughness pool of elementalists really are we’re gonna have to stick with amulets that have healing power or vitality in them.

Keep bringing out new amulets. You wont see any elementalist use them if they want to live.

Ryou.2398:

Dahir.4158:

Pretty much, yeah.

I see, yea people tend to never say its pvp in the forums and act like its the only mode in the game.

In wvw you could do whatever you want by switching the stats around. In pvp it’s either you bunker up and become a heal bot, go zerk and get 1 shot, or you use the new amulets like Sage/Carrion/Mercenary (before it was removed) to play a condi/power hybrid spec. You can’t even use any of the other amulets that don’t have vitality because our HP pool is disgustingly low (11-13k hp).

Pretty much, yeah.

XTR.9604:

I don’t think condi ele is great considering the lack of conditions it can really dish out outside of fire. For PvP, it may be decent, but still not great really. If you’re running dagger focus, you have your burning from fire and then what? You have some bleeding from earth 1 which is slow cast and not much to be desired. Your conditions can so easily be cleared since essentially all you’re stacking on people is burns and they all have about the same cooldown together as a persons condition clear would.

A hybrid build like celestial would do a lot better than a straight up “condi ele” could. Granted, celestial isn’t in PvP anymore – but I am a WvW player primarily and main roaming on a dagger/warhorn elementalist. I run either full celestial if I’m feeling lazy or Marauder armor Zerk/Cav trinkets and cele weapons if I’m feeling on my game.

Fun video if me doing three 1v1’s back to back on my ele and winning all in a camp I was trying to take lol..
http://asphyxia.tv/three-back-to-back-1v1-wins-on-elementalist/

Anyone who thinks ele is weak these days needs to either fight me or learn how to play it. It is the strongest roaming class in WvW if played right. Plenty of CC, damage, condition clears, and pretty much perm swiftness from overloads, protection, regen and vigor in combat.

Really? “bleeding from earth 1 which is slow cast and not much to be desired” is that what you really think? Are you forgetting the 5 stacks you can get from Signet of Earth, and the 3 you can get from Sigil of Geomancy? You’ve also got Earth Overload which helps you stack over 10+ and let’s not talk about the immobilizes you can do. 4 seconds from the Signet of Earth, 2.75 seconds from Magnetic Grasp, and 5.25 seconds from Earth Overload.

Easy access to chill and poison on weapon swap. If you wanna be really cool, use some racial elites like Summon Sylvari Hound or Reaper of Grenth for more poison, bleed and chills.

Don’t think I’m a pvp player. I’m also a wvw player like you and I know what I’m talking about. Been using this sh— for 2 years since I first made it back then after being inspired by FrownyClown, ArmageddonAsh and Mercenary Higgins.

Yeah sure you’ve got Diamond Skin, Invigorating Torrents and what not, but I doubt you can keep cleansing conditions when they’re being applied on you all the time. Eles have great CC as well. I don’t really care about celestial ele or whatever the hell people want to play now… That sh— is boring.

Waisenpai.6028:

Condi ele is not viable in very high level skilled fights versus certain professions.. Any class with more than 3 condi removals can counter it. Also offhand dagger was the superior condi spread was very famous prior June 23 2015 and prior nerf of dagger fire 2,3,4,5. I mean why couldn’t they wait till after HOT released before nerfing that.

Of course it’s viable. Define what is “very high level skilled fights” because if it can take me to Diamond in pvp and then the tier before Legendary (solo queue), I would definitely say it’s high level. I guess it’s all down to user capability.

I agree off-hand dagger was pretty good around that time. The amount of burning stacks it could dish out was nasty, but at the moment D/F is the better weapon set since Ring of Fire got nerfed.

lucadiro.4519:

Another whole season playing healbot yay so fun!))

Never played heal bot in pvp and never will. I don’t like this ele meta everyone is clinging on to. People need to learn how to customize their own builds and get used to rotations, maybe then we’ll get out of this dead meta.

Kyon.9735:

Burning Precision – will completely make Condi Ele viable. I like it even though I hate the condi spam meta. At least will have a viable condi build which won’t require sitting in Fire attunement forever. However, I think burning is one of the strongest conditions out there after confusion and torment (pvp perspective). I think a lot of people will complain.

Condi ele has and always will be viable. I put out a build already that doesn’t require you to sit in one attunement.

Here:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFAQJAodnUMA9Ng9XCOOAcYiFTAjoCEAaAFngSQIwtsmWjrA-TJRHABA8AAC4EAUx+D3XGAA

You need to utilize Evasive Arcana in Fire Attunement, catch opponents with immobilize (preferably Signet of Earth) and use Flame Wall for more burning. Also, don’t forget when you use the heal skill in Water it also removes a condition.

Signet of Earth > Flame Wall > Evasive Arcana (Fire) + Feel the Burn + Cleansing Fire > Drake’s Breath… there’s 10+ stacks of burning right there. Switch attunements shortly after that you’ve got poison and 3 stacks of bleeding added onto the 5 from the Signet, making that 8 stacks of bleeding. Easy condi ele burst rotation.

Here’s a link demonstrating this rotation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er-2j9qLa_k

There is another rotation you can do which to me is a lot safer:
Magnetic Grasp > Earth Overload on them while using Feel the Burn + Cleansing Fire > Swap to Fire Attunement and Evasive Arcana (dodge) > Signet of Earth > Flame Wall > Drake’s Breath > Burning Speed.

That’s another way to still get high burning and bleed stacks. The reason why it’s safer is because you can quickly use Obsidian Flesh if you’re in trouble or use Magnetic Wave if you have conditions on you, and you also have stability. I also like to quickly interrupt them before they can use their heals, especially necromancers.

Please don’t say condi ele is not viable. I use it in wvw and pvp.

damage in general i presume

Josh XT.6053:

I don’t think anyone can give you a very good answer because condi ele is not really a thing. You’re best off going with Celestial, generally a condi ele isn’t going to do enough damage to matter.

I don’t know what game mode you’re playing, which matters for questions like this.

http://asphyxia.tv/builds/

I have 3 of my ele builds listed there if you want to check them out and see what you’re missing out on by playing condi.

condi ele is a thing mate. i would suggest maybe balthazar, flame legion or berserker.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Fire's_Embrace

I think if you revert the changes done to this trait or bring back Fire’s Embrace, it would open up possibilities for different types of builds. For example, the fire aura that you’d gain from using a signet along with Invigorating Torrents could allow for people to maybe use the Fire trait-line instead of Arcane because of the condition cleanse you get from Cleansing Water (regeneration).

Also, it would help greatly with condition builds, which is something elementalists lack. There are some out there (I made one myself which I’ve been using for almost 2 years now), but are severely underrated. This is because of fears of mobility, lack of power and just general inability to try new things; people like to stay on meta builds for the elementalist as that is what’s easier and what everyone else is doing, i.e. Auramancer.

I wonder if there is a GM or someone that will hopefully read this and respond with something. It would give us the idea you’re taking our suggestions into account.

Iniak.9815:

I can confirm the potency of this build. I use dire armor instead of travelers and it is a blast to play in wvw. I also used it to go to saphire with a 10-1 win loss ratio with Sage amulet. I know saphire doesnt prove viability but I felt it had potential to go higher, I just don’t have much play time.

I found the build on these forums, props to the creator.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/external?l=http%3A%2F%2Fgw2skills.net%2Feditor%2F%3FvFUQJAodnUMA9Ng9XCOOAcYiFTAr4EUCCBEVgAQDwtsmWjrA-ThSFABzr%2BjUKxQ4BAkwJAoEtAupDoj9HAwE0TKP8UJYAAEgZGAYmHdmHdmJEwi1A-e

gz on your success and thank you

OP wants to make a condi build and you guys are posting meta power/celestial builds like sheep (not you wolfric). And people wonder why there’s no build diversity; it’s because people like you don’t want to experiment and play something new.

katniss.6735:

I meta (yawn-fested) my way to soloQ legend in spvp, I’m mostly looking for a WvW build for roaming and zerg.

I do run celestial with staff and d/f. Str/energy on staff, and another staff with bloodlust/energy. Dagger is leeching, focus is energy. Trooper runes. I love tempest. I get a crap ton of extra condi damage from easily applicable might. I just want a 3rd set that gives me condi options as a fun new toy. yaknowwhatimsayin’

My friend, let me introduce to you a build I’ve posted on this site before, and one that most roamers in EU hate to play against. This is my condi ele build for wvw.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vFUQJAodnUMA9Ng9XCOOAcYiFTAr4EUCCBEVgAQDwtsmWjrA-ThSFABzr+jUKxQ4BAkwJAoEtAupDoj9HAwE0TKP8UJYAAEgZGAYmHdmHdmJEwi1A-e

Before you guys say ele has no alternative build other than auramancer or celestial bullshi, instead of actually trying it for yourself, I’d advise you to be quiet.
Enjoy.

reikken.4961:

against players? not really
ele can’t do condi bursts or covering conditions

Supreme.3164:

NO..there is nothing

oh please…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYGAFzorKJA

Amber to Diamond solo queue with condi ele tempest. Stayed in Ruby for a few weeks cos i was bored, but reached Diamond this morning.

Why does Magnetic Grasp always bug out and say ‘out of range’ when the dude is right in front of me?

Why are we allowed to use overloads in Mist Form only for it to cancel itself out once the skill ends?

Why cant we jump + RTL anymore?

(haven’t tested it recently, but) why is it when we swap to Earth while stunned/dazed with the ‘Rock Solid’ trait in use, it doesn’t act as a stun-break? I thought that was the whole point of ‘stability’.

Didn’t you know? It’s a new hidden skill you can use when you become the top-scoring player of your team. Since you’re at the bottom you wont know about it

Jokes aside, that’s some funny kitten.

Guizao.4167:

Ayrilana.1396:

Auramancer is just the meta build. You’re telling me that there are no other builds that work?

Exactly, because other builds won’t work.

Please don’t be so narrow-minded. If only you guys actually experimented and realised that we have other builds capable of actually ranking you up to ruby and beyond. For example, my own build which uses the Mercenary Amulet has taken me to ruby and I’ve been solo queuing. I’ve faced many people on different classes all on different builds, including your precious auramancer diamond skin attrocity, and yet my team (if they are competent) still manage to win somehow.

Celestial is gone. Do some research now. Experiment.

the build is somewhere in one of these threads ive posted named ‘greatest wvw condi ele build’

edit: what i’ve been trying recently is switching geomancy to generosity whenever i face teams with lots of necros and mesmers.

if there’s only one then i’d keep geomancy

nearly hitting ruby btw

katniss.6735:

If you’re not earth/water/tempest auramancer from Metabattle’s spec, you’re going to get anihilated in rated. And that’s why elementalist isn’t fun anymore.

Lol?

lucadiro.4519:

Roman God of War.6953:

I know of at least 3 builds that work. Fresh air. Auramancer. I have a home cooked variance that uses fresh air. I’m not too far from sapphire

Never seen a fresh air tempest in match since the legue started, only cleric EWT

Made my way to Sapphire by only using my condi ele tempest build. It works wonders in both pvp and wvw.

Another video here for you lot. Like before, just a few fights I’ve had recently so nothing major. Hope you enjoy it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pShjoyppg

the elementalist version of weapon swap is to switch attunements.

yo OP if you cant play ele I don’t think this is the class for you bro
ele is sick in pvp

mercenary amulet – d/f – doom/geo – A/W/T – balthazar runes – SoE/FtB/CleansingFire for the win.
don’t talk about fresh air like it’s the only build we have.

not bad tbh….

Mercenary’s Amulet
1050 Power
1050 Condition
560 Toughness
560 Vitality

and

Sage’s Amulet
1050 Power
1050 Condition
560 Healing Power
560 Vitality

these two amulets will change the elementalist meta. they will allow eles to deviate from these stupid meta d/d celestial builds and start making other builds that can incorporate other sigils that are deemed underrated.

Jski.6180:

Torment on chill something ele should of had for some time i am not sure why it never happen. The ideal of chilling some one fits so well with torment as in you make some one so cold that its painful and even more painful to move.

nearly every class has torment but the ele… even warrior has it

kuritsutian.2987:

Why is it gone? I don’t really see bunker ele suffering much, just a tweak here and there but still viable imo

people overreacting, not willing to adapt and change builds

PowerBottom.5796:

posthumecaver.6473:

Thx u 3 years fun…

With the removal of Cele and without any gear with healing/vit/toughness/power/condi I refuse to be the masturbation object of a Thief and Mesmer and instagibed over and over.

I can find me another game to have fun with it, this game does not deserve this sort nerve breakdown.

I’ve played several amu’s that could feel similar to the new ones I’d most likely use on Ele and they seem to work fine for me.

- I’ve played carrion D/D tempest with Water runes (which is worse than the new mercenary amu for healing intensive classes that can deal very well with conditions) and it felt fine.

- I’ve played marauder fresh air tempest and in the current very tanky solo-Q meta, it’s absolutely amazing.

I’m also very intrigued by both paladin and menders amu for fresh air ele, or ele in general. Even Sages Amu could work with thoughness-heavy runes in a more condition-oriented meta.

I actually think Ele is gonna be fine and I’m excited for Fresh Air Ele, cuz I feel that it might actually be a very viable build.

a smart man

Yeah I see what you mean now. It’s just a little worrying without having Healing Ripple for the heal when I swap to water. I will definitely try it out, maybe use Elemental Shielding and Geomancer’s Training with Diamond Skin.

If they improve the skills on focus I’ll be very happy. I don’t even care about off-hand dagger anymore lol.

Jski.6180:

After the DS changes you may be able to run earth over water so earth arcain tempest d/f. I also like to see (once they give out the info) how foces will changes your build and others.

Hmm maybe… but my main source of condi cleanse is from the Cleansing Water trait along with Invigorating Torrents (auras), also by swapping to water which removes 2 conditions.

Did you say they’re changing focus??

fost.9167:

Thanks for the video, very tempted to fork out for a new set on my ele to play around with. Currently I wvw in mostly clerics/mix gear as auramancer support which is fun, but this seems like more fun.

No problem bro. If you do make it I hope you enjoy it as much as I have.