Guild Wars 2

Yeah we have an enemy guild in our matchup. Only PU mesmers, guardians for perma retal and Ele for giant fire aoe to get our defensive siege. Really powerful but ridiculous^^

They don’t care because we are contained here on the forums where no outer source of media can see. The reddit is littered with angry PvE players that will downvote any WvW thread so no luck there either.

They just listen to streamers and youtubers and even then they can act moronic (ie: Reyana’s interview a few months back about how WvW players are just PvE players).

It took me a while to get that in my head, but we will accomplish NOTHING here as they will never read what we write and therefore we are all losing our time here; prowvwers and anti-wvwers alike….

they will do what they want with their game to optimize the money income and your only liberty is to either keep playing or stop.

Dibaryon.7469:

The only thing that sucks is keeps and towers being automatically upgraded. I’m still convinced it’s not the best idea ever, and that there should be a different solution to this (even though I loved the new map).

Au contraire that is probably the best thing about it!^^

For all the low population servers upgrading was such a terrible pain because only a handful would do it and get ruined in the process. And all our stuff would not always be upgraded by pugs.
Now at least it’s better for our wallets AND we don’t have to suffer from the lazy kitten who won’t even spend a silver to upgrade suppl y delivery rates^^

They hate WvW players get used to it^^

With HoT you will prob have to sit through 15sec of mystic forge unskippable cinematic for every sup siege : )

Let’s keep this on top so Devs can read it easily and remember they have some work to do. : )

Don’t get your hopes up they made the same promises every year since launch and I’m almost positive some of the words are the exact same.

roughly 6 months ago they were “on the verge” of launching an alliance system to allow WvW players to battle on other servers….

If it requires a sub it will crash miserably like ESO did. Also I really doubt it will be out in 2016 considering the advancement of it so far.

For instance it is still a GIANT mystery to me why there isn’t a chest spawning when you defend something.

That Anet would not give the same amount of rewards for defending AND capturing is beyond me. Even more dramatic after so long into the game and countless threads on how ppl tend to not defend just to keep farming.

It’s not that we dislike it. Personally I do like it.
What worries me is just that I don’t want to see it transform into a generalized version of Eotm but for regular WvW henceforth removing your last WvW players in favor of silverwastes farmers who wanted diversity in the terrain they farm.

I am much more eager that they would listen to us about how they’re destroying their WvW population and doing nothing about it tho…

It’s not that we dislike it. Personally it’s just that we don’t want to see it transform into a generalized version of Eotm but for regular WvW henceforth removing your last WvW players in favor of silverwastes farmers who wanted diversity in the terrain they farm…

“For the turrets: well the shrines are outside so it just means you have to take the shrines to deactivate them before assaulting the keep”
Will probably be any official response you’d get for complaining about that. As much as I agree with the OP here, the PVE on the new map is mostly just added steps in the “taking something” process.

Before we had: Bali-Ram/Cata-Lord
Now we have: Shrines-Bali-Ram/Cata-Lord

The central wyvern is another story tho. It seems like a revamped version of the quaggans (that we had on borderlands before they added all the bloodlust ruins). But with a bigger impact.
Forcing us all to go fight in the middle for something is kinda cool still; especially since you can gank ppl during the gathering event.

Bottom line the population “changes” so far have been nothing but smoke and mirrors and, if nothing, have actually wounded the WvW community even further by misleading potential new players.
They just locked the top into their little bubble (again I have nothing again T1 players, just a fact) and left all the “medium” peons to rot in the sun : )

Akatosh.7621:

@DiscoJacen.1590
You cannot say Krall does not play WvW, in fact he probabaly plays more than most people in this thread, we’re in the same WvW guild. He may be the worst player in the guild but he still plays

Tell him to get out of Orgath Uplands and go fight real players then
Because he does sound like he hasn’t go the slightest clue.

It took you 12 mins to make an even more angry version of your post Zinkz. maybe in 12 more minutes you’ll edit it again with more rage? : )

On the topic: Anet listens to streamers and “influential” ppl regarding most changes (basically whatever will give them good press). And if you look at some stuff by wodden potatoes or some of the PvE streamers, you can see that a lot of the skill balances we got were “influenced” by pve players and not “competitive” players (ie that legendary interview of Reyana where Mikey dropped a “If you’re into WvW basically you’re into PvE” bomb^^).

Plus if you add that most patches are barely tested (remember when grenade barrage was broken or guardians hitting at 35K with all the symbols stacking dmg?) it seems clear that there will always be a class or combination that will be superior and left as it is.

JQ and about 10 servers along with it ; )

zinkz.7045:

DiscoJacen.1590:

zinkz.7045:

DiscoJacen.1590:

The whole point of WvW is to not have fair fights….

Fair fights and poor class balance are two different things.

READ Exactly 3 more lines of my previous post and realize why you’re silly right now : )

Not really, the OP made a thread about class balance in WvW, you banged about WvW “not being fair” which has nothing to do with this thread, even though for some reason you think it does.

Talking about a “balance” forum in the WvW section basically means (grammatically) that he’s referring to a “balance WvW” section. Then he proceeded to talk about a class specific unbalance that should either be posted to the class specific section (mesmer here) or the GW2 general discussion section.

So in the first part of my reply I basically replied to his title. And then I replied to the class issue he was referring to. You still haven’t read the full reply.
It’s your obsessive aggression that has nothing to do with this thread.

Even if it’s filled with toxic threads it should still exist just for the few threads that will have valid points… That is the whole point of having moderation teams…

lordkrall you are so full of it that it’s dripping on the floor. There are full guilds of 100% WvW players that spend time in pve only to get the armor/equipment they need. The gamemode’s development flaws are not generalities for you to put players in.

You’re basing your "fact"s on one interview where good ol Mikey’ (CEO) anounced to Reyana (WvW streamer) that there were no only-WvW players only to be met with astonishment from her and AND Colin (Developper). This only proved that he ALSO is completely out of touch with his WvW community like you are.

You don’t play WvW, we get it, we see it. If you did you wouldn’t be shouting crap all over this thread. Please don’t assume we don’t exist because it suits you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMaqOSE1Kx8
the short version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhvuomaJaY&feature=youtu.be

As for the OP, no I don’t think we’re getting any love with HoT. They “promised” population balances and it seems they won’t deliver. They’re releasing a new map that is filled with pve content and WAY TOO BIG for the actual community too handle it(was in the stress test). Imagine an even bigger edge of the mists replacing the 3 classic borderlands.

So far their actions seem to point to a desire to get rid of the gamemode in the long term. I do hope they actually come clean with their intentions at some point.

They’re busy recapping all the stuff some of us took an entire afternoon to cap and upgrade.
Give them 15 mins ; )

IMO
Eotm should simply and purefully be utterly removed for the game if they hope to fix anything at this point.

That tier 1/2 wvw-waiting room has done way more dmg to the game that any failed event could ever do.

Then the mode needs a full rehaul, ESPECIALLY the population management (change servers, merge, make a new tri-alliance system, whatever).

Just do it.

Like some of your ideas tho
As in the mode could use some “endgame” reward track or something.
sPvP has it. Why doesn’t WvW has it?!

DeWolfe.2174:

DiscoJacen.1590:

For example one of our biggest problem is the population: too much on top tiers with giant queues

Oh kitten … NO there’s isn’t “giant queues” any longer. The only world with ridiculous Q’s is Yaks Bend during NA right now. They have almost 200 players total sitting and waiting during NA. The rest of us are lucky to Q 1 map! Even for reset on JQ, we just Q’d the 4 maps for an hour or so. That’s after shuffling and asking for players to come into WvW to begin with.

Sorry for barking at you but, this imagery that T1 has massive q’s filled with all the players it absorbed from the lower tiers just isn’t true. The games just bleeding that many players. There’s so much apathy toward the mode it’s becoming malaise. A lot of players just don’t care and it’s dragging down everyone.

Didn’t say it absorbed or stole players. However it’s the only places you will find queues anymore. henceforth more player than what the maps can handle. Henceforth too full. Henceforth should spill over to lower tiers.
We haven’t had a queue in Tier9 for the past 2.5 years.

However I’m not blaming the top tiers for that. It’s just a fact. I’m just really angry that such a ridiculous situation was left to happen by Anet and even ENCOURAGED by very poor transfer price decisions.

I mean how hard is it to understand that:
-You need to monitor your wvw population based on acitivity on the wvw maps during a full cycle and therefore get a weekly average
-then you need to make ridiculously low (if not free) transfer prices towards the empty servers. That way you create some sort of circle that ensure no server will truly stays at the bottom. Labeling everyone under high as “medium” is just a big giant kitten you to the wvw community.

That’s all

zinkz.7045:

DiscoJacen.1590:

The whole point of WvW is to not have fair fights….

Fair fights and poor class balance are two different things.

READ Exactly 3 more lines of my previous post and realize why you’re silly right now : )

Elia.7193:

Hymi.7265:
But when it was GuildvsGuild, for example HARDvsJd, we defeated them easily.

I am sorry but has to be a lol here. I have yet to see [HARD] players that don’t run away from 1v1 or even 2v1. That guild only fights when they are at least double than us. As for bt players generally, sorry but uw and fow always win in small scale fights even if you are double than us. Your skill as a server is to blob people. To give you an example , few days ago we were 3 uw players in a camp in your bl and 6 of you couldn’t deal with us, so after we killed them 3 times you decided to call the blob of 25+ and yet we manage to escape. I wont get bored saying that story, LOL a blob for 3 people in a camp

Plus you forgot to mention the Bt Alt account that had to come with us and get on our superior AC jsut so we couldn’t use it and YET couldn’t make the difference they needed to win : )

The whole point of WvW is to not have fair fights….
You use the “world” to get an advantage. And therefore you will 90% of the time not fight someone on even grounds. Go sPvP if you want something along those lines.

However talking about the mesmer class is another subject entirely than wvw balance.

Although I would agree with you that PU mesmers are a bit op atm. Especially placed in competent hands^^

But yeah off-topic title is off-topic

We don’t hate you (Bt), we hate the hackers/trolls/clueless that sadly are part of your team(and some on the forums apparently).

Our only line of work here is to not WvW until your toxic players get bored. We’re sorry for the honest blacktide players who want to play but it’s the only thing we can do as players since Anet is not doing anything on their end.

Pure and simple.
Once they leave you “should” still be abble to be competitive since you have numbers and numbers are THE strength in WvW. The experience you will get by facing more powerful servers who will force you to be more crafty.

But until then
Take some time to do some pve or spvp and get a breath of fresh air.
We hope it will get resolved soon

We don’t hate you, we hate the hackers/trolls/clueless that sadly are part of your team(and some on the forums apparently).

Our only line of work here is to not WvW until your toxic players get bored. We’re sorry for the honest blacktide players who want to play but it’s the only thing we can do as players since Anet is not doing anything on their end.

Pure and simple.
Once they leave you “should” still be abble to be competitive since you have numbers and numbers are THE strength in WvW. The experience you will get by facing more powerful servers who will force you to be more crafty.

But until then
Take some time to do some pve or spvp and get a breath of fresh air.
We hope it will get resolved soon

Nozzle.8031:

…a Blacktide player using alt accounts to destroy seige at our wp’s report our moves to your server and to spam chat with recruiting ads ( and yes if you look that is against the rules to sabotage enemy seige on enemy server with alt accounts)…

Arf I didn’t know you also had that on your side as well. Logical I guess.
This is insane….

Good post. Good explanation of the situation.

TBH I do agree with this. It really SEEMS that the game mode is left to degrade on purpose.

For example one of our biggest problem is the population: too much on top tiers with giant queues and too little in lower tiers (to the point where we can’t even play in tier 9EU). It could have been addressed easily with monitoring periods of free transfers, mergers or forced transfers.

If you add the almost complete lack of dialogue from the devs who sometimes seem out of touch with the mode (let us not remember Mike on the subject…) which IMO is an even more important problem with the gamemode.

—> It’s almost impossible to not get to the conclusion that the degradation of the mode is done on purpose!

So if that’s the case. I’d rather have them tell it to us straight and honest so we can either get used to playing PvE or go do something else. Pure and simple. No rage. But at least we won’t waste more time expecting stuff that won’t arrive

rainbow.4695:

Those screens above…what am supposed to see on 3d and 4th?

That we’re evil hackers because somehow we managed to place siege at the edge of spawn.
Therefore insta-teleporting in towers to kill lords for them is ok^^

You’ve got more players, that is your strength and that is respectable.

On top of that you have/had hackers and so we decided to not play, that is our problem/right. And someone constantly spamming our map chat with propaganda and reporting our actions to your side (scouts or not you just can’t deny that).
It is/was taking the game away for us and by extension from you as well (I can’t think it is fun to cap everything on reset night and then never having to cap anything for the week.).

However coming here to try and pretend yourself a victim is simply ridiculous:
-All the Blacktide players we talk to in-game are well aware of the hacking and sad to see it happen.
-All the so-called “hacks” we also do according to you are just either videos of ppl using trapper runes or screenshots of someone soloing something (when you don’t have 7+ friends to call asap that’s how you do it) with absolutely no trace or exploit or hack.

—> So it means that either your knowledge of the game is null for thinking such core mechanics are hacking OR it means your doing it on purpose.
—> So it means you’re either one of said hackers trying to defend yourself by minimizing your actions or someone who knows them and therefore is helping them. Or for that matter you could be that guy who stands in our EB spawn to spoil mapchat with your Blacktide propaganda and spying.

Either way, you are ridiculous and if anything you are proving us right at every turn.

We’re sorry you’re bored enough in-game so that you feel forced to come here and troll. We hope reality won’t hit you too hard when you finally face a real challenge.

I’m almost thinking that the only way this new map “would” work is by only having ONE version on it + Eternal battlegrounds and not 3. For us in Underworld it will be dead due to a lack of players. But with maps this big I imagine it will also be a problem for higher tiers who also can’t field 100 players at all times on all 4 (+EB) maps.

Auto upgrades should also be implemented asap in the game regardless of the BL release!^^

We all know Kungsmurfen is a Blackgate spy telling his server our most amazing strategies so they can stay on top.

Furienify.5738:

The auto-shield applied to Dolyaks when a player gets near them is 10/10 and ought to be ported to live immediately

One of the REALLY cool new things that should be ported right away

I did get lost in fire keep several times^^

WOW if you think trapper runes are hacking then no wonder you’ve been threatening us regularly for speedhacking.

We use something called swiftness
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swiftness

It’s a buff you can get that makes you run faster.

If you need more explanations on our various “cheats” please don’t hesitate : )

EDIT: Sarcasm in my previous comment Ajax ; )

kitten even with a hacker on our side we can’t win XD^^
That is how doomed we are.

FYI we’re “crying” because there is no one to play with. Even if we “start playing” (I don’t see how I can start WvW when me and my guild already spend 90% of our time there…). There is nothing left to do than just let you guys go up and hope you stay there.
Until Anet decides to bless us with something.

HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TYPE IT SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND?

I think T1 lives in a completely (Wv)World than we non-tier1 players live in^^

Was not meant as a critique. Rather it is surprising that they don’t seem to understand the problems we face on empty servers. Please make an effort before posting something mean just for the sake of it. And if your experience in WvW is good by all means plz go enjoy it. No reason you should waste time here battling us when you could enjoy the mode. Because you at least can.

Pve content is fine IMO there are not that much stuff aside from the middle event. The rest is mostly reskins of npcs or contextual defenses that once studied by players, will be just another part of any defense on the place.

I’m much more worried about the size of the 3 maps (+EB) vs a decreasing population playing WvW especially in lower tier servers.

BT moving up:
http://images.rapgenius.com/58d2cf2fe2a2e3d7851b5bfc38855018.480x271x44.gif

It’s rather simple.
If all servers are not merged into 3 big factions (or the system is changed entirely) before the new giant maps release; the game mode is dead. (by queues, by emptiness, by hackers, pick your choice).

This is not about communities or tiers anymore. The stress test is proving it. With down time atm the maps are empty of life and feel terribly boring.

It is really important that Anet realize that NOW and act accordingly.

Camps can still be solo’d if you corner pull correctly. they didn’t change the gaurds in camps. However they auto upgrade now which is nice

We’re not trying to win we’re trying to play the kitten mode…

is it that hard to imagine what it is to play on a server where you don’t have enough players just to play the kitten map?

lightson.2310:

Do you not feel that being on a low pop server that the map may be far too big for your server to get fights or maybe go as far as killing solo/duo roamers?

Eheh nice quick response. I actually made another “negative” thread to post about that. yeah I think there will be a problem with population. A big one that will require huge changes to servers (get rid?) before the new maps ship IMO

This is a thread about the things we disliked or are worried about
To make this the easiest to read possible let’s do a presentation when we post!
>I play WvW a lot on Underworld (tier9 EU)

-The map is HUGE very HUGE. And I am certain it will cause a MAJOR problem regarding population (ex: we in Underworld don’t have people to cover 3 regular BLs so I do not dare to imagine what will happen if you replace them by 3 new ones who are at least twice as big). You guys really need to find a solution to the whole WvW pop thing before the new BLs ship. Otherwise we’ll be with ghost maps most of the time.

-The new map is giving of an Edge of the Mists vibe and it is worrying me (as in this looks cool but will be destroyed by players asap).

-Supply depots in tower/keeps should be either more numerous or bigger. They just get lost in those gigantic environments otherwise.

-The map (and wvw in general) could use more “indication” tools (sentries despite a stat boost still do nothing but standing there, when they could ping on the map if they get blobbed for example. Like sentries do irl.). Players should be able to send an alert easier to encourage all the lazy ppl that just ignore mapchat all the time^^

-Each tower/keep is unique in form and layout. And I like that. However it will require cautious monitoring to fix the advantages/exploits that WILL rise from that. I mean this more as a warning than a dislike.

This is a thread about the things we liked
To make this the easiest to read possible let’s do a presentation when we post!
>I play WvW a lot on Underworld (tier9 EU)

-The map looks really pretty and it feels less like an “arena”

-Each tower gets it’s own flavor and unique layout

-Environmental buffs from shrines SEEM to be valid enough so that players would go out and defend them (ex; the fire keep ones have really obvious effects)

-Goatyaks get a defense boost (90% dmg/condi-dmg reduction) when you stand next to them and generally run faster. Awesome

-The automatic upgrade of towers and camps with a TIMER (that is cool.)

-The new/re-balanced WvW skills (dmg/def against guards now gives you a passive 20% dmg/def vs npcs and lords). They feel more logical.

-Superior siege now has a “superior” skins

-Dinosaurs

-Middle of the map event map reminded me of the quaggans of yore and forces players to gather for it (since it impacts the whole map). Makes for a cool “final” battle

-You can transform at keeps (at least in the fire one you can become a giant Baltha Doggy that is really powerful in a group yet useless if left by yourself. So I “guess” balanced. haven’t seen if there is one for the other 2 keeps)

I agree with all of you but for a different reason: population

I’m in Underworld (tier9 EU) and we’re suffering from a BIG lack of wvw players. And I think I can say the same for one of our adversaries Fissure of Woe as well.

I am 200% sure that if we get 3 of those new maps instead of the 3 regular BLs it will successively kill WvW here. We simply won’t have enough people to just play those maps normally.

illenos.5134:

Sagramor.7395:

The scale probably doesn’t go lower than medium. As a face saving measure so it doesn’t appear that servers are essentially empty for significant portions of time.

Servers like Underworld claim to have about 10 active WvWers left and they are medium. It is for sure a face saving measure…and a crime we have to balance kitten servers like Underworld because every server refused to get merged instead.

Underworld is just the example I happen to know about. there are several other “kitten” servers to balance
. Thank you for your benevolence oh great one : )
However he is right we would not be in such a crappy situation if some merging had been done along the way

I hope too at least…

Eheh like your idea Erik altho like Deniara said it would prob cause an uproar from customers and therefore cause more dmg^^

Just simply measure FOR REAL the WvW attendance and merge/close the empty servers already….