Guild Wars 2

Meanwhile guardians are roflstomping everyone with all the sustain/dmg and condi clear you can eat.

Just because the meta changed doesn’t mean you can’t find a way around it anymore.

Sure I’d agree that Anet screwed their balance when trying to appease the zerk crybabies but the same scenario will happen again with condi if ppl keep complaining.

You want to beat that meta? Pack more condi clear than usual. That condi thief build that everyone seems to enjoy whispering insults too is pretty pointless if you remove condis (surprise the warrior can do that every 4 seconds on weapon swap, etc).

Basically think it over for a second and maybe accept that you might have to change a few habits to adapt. And then you’ll do just fine : )

To the “why didn’t you simply transfer?” crowd:

You should never; NEVER have to pay extra for something that:
1/ you already paid for.
2/ others are enjoying just as intended
3/ compensate for poor foresight or developpement (whatever your opinion is on how Anet handled WvW so far).

It is my money that I earned, I have no one pumping cash into my wallet to pay for a trasnfer that I (and the rest of my guild) would not have to make if the gamemode was working as inteneded.

Therefore I will never take seriously someone using the “lol why’d u not transfer silly?” excuse to justify the injustice that wvw so far.
You don’t see me shouting “lol if u w8 too long in T1 just tranfer to T4/5/6 for shorter queue!”.

In the end the poll results should give u an idea also of where the crowd stands (for once that I’m on that side I plan on enjoying it)

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Our primary motivation for avoiding running another tournament, is that at the end of every tournament we saw a permanent dip in the number of players playing WvW. Presumably this was due to players burning themselves out during the tournament.

However, we can still run a poll to see if the majority of the community wants another 4 week tournament, even if it might be bad for the long term WvW population numbers. Though even if ‘running another tournament’ won the poll, we’d probably hold off until we get the scoring updates in.

If u’d allow me a sarcastic comment I think it’s more the “we Stopped making tournaments and started ignoring the mode” that was the real reason u saw a dip in population. Why would people keep it up when there wasn’t even any certainties that there would be a next tournament? If I remember correctly there wasn’t even a date or any indicator.

Don’t worry since you guys are all salty it will show on the poll…. OH WAIT.

The linking helped repopulate low tiers and prevent T1/2 arrangements (so they stay in top tiers).

Ofc people are gonna vote yes.
I’m sorry you’re angry you have to wait 5 more minutes to get into wvw or that you can’t muster the skills to better your roaming to avoid bigger groups.

#FirstTierProblems

the beta is working well so far and it’s most likely gonna stay that way.

One of your biggest mistake when you tried to encourage transfers last time (with the population recalcules) was to STILL have a transfer cost to transfer to the lowest tiers.

Basically you had to pay money to get into the empty wasteland that was T9 EU
AKA
Nobody would do it

Had you opened the very last ones to a free transfer you could have created a dynamic where top massive guilds could decided to move to the lowest tiers to “save” them, or simply for the challenge of making the server go up in tiers. And then the new lowest tiers could have gotten a movement as well.

I’m obviously not saying this was a sure thing. But I am sure that the money part was the main reason the “system” failed definitely.

So maybe keep in mind that money can ruin the initiative in this case.
make money out of WvW catapult skins, i’m sure ppl would buy those, but plz don’t mess with the core mechanics.

Pairing servers doesn’t mean destroying your server ID. It just means you have to work harder with your guild(s) to show your colors. Even if I could see your point I have to put you in the FirstWorldProblems category.

I’d rather play a much crowded/“bland” gamemode than the empty nightmare WvW has been for us in low tiers for the past 2.5 years.

The system saved WvW for us in EU low tiers.
We went from dead empty with only a few die hard players left to a gamemode with constant fighting and more challenge (roaming with the threat of massive blobs is so much more fun IMO).

We can argue about how to make the system better, that I 100% agree on.

But removing it (as in reverting to the old system) is literally a bad idea and will just pander to the hipster T1/2 ppl complaining that they have to wait 5 more minutes to get in
#FirstTierproblems

that + the reward tracks, Anet is def on the right path. Now let’s look at those monthly tourneys : )

Bottomline is: Ofc ppl are gonna vote yes

As for our salty top tierers, think of this as a small price to pay for having fun during 2.5 years at the expense of low tiers who had to watch you ask (and get) devs for futilities to better the experience for you while we stayed empty and suppressed.

Vote yes on prop 19
—>Paid for by the committee for the repopulation of dead gamemodes in Tyira

Vote no because now you have to wait 5 more minutes to get into the gamemode?

yeah no ty.

#FirstTierProblems

WvW was dead for us (EU T9) and I’d rather cut myself than return to the state we’ve been suffering for 2.5 years while smart T1/2 kitten would insult us on forums just for mentionning it.

Underworld here (T9 EU)
SIMPLE:
-I was constantly complaining that WvW was empty and dead for us.
-Now there is a lot of ppl playing it
-OFC I’m gonna vote yes to keep the pairing

After 2.5 years of empty abandoned state? After being banned 3/4 times here for complaining about it? OFC i’m gonna vote yes. I was hoping for mega servers but this method works so far so why remove it?

We can argue all day about how to make the pairing better, I’m 100% ok with that.

But u can keep your “the pairing must go” hipster non-sense to you coz I am NOT returning to the wasteland that was the low tiers WvW.

Vote yes on prop 19.
—>Paid for by the committee for the repopulation of empty gamemodes in bottom tiers Tyria

Some good stuff right there

Torolan.5816:

In my opinion, very good ideas.

but my main point for WvW would be simple: Recognition.
WvW is a game mode for heroes and guilds of heroes. They want to see their names recognized.

In the spiritual forefather of WvW, RvR in DAOC, there were huge lists of guilds and what they have done for their server with a score. That was pretty glorious in my opinion. And please, refrain from using the 90% score in any ranking! Nothing screams so loud and clear I don`t care for this list as having a percentage replace an actual score.
In GW2, I sadly have no idea who the good guilds for wvw are. I know a few legends from my own server, some from foreign servers but only a handful.

I firmly believe that the majority of serious wvwers are not karma grinders by heart but people who want to fight for a cause. Bandwaggoners come and go, but trust the people here when they say that the idea that a wvwer is automatically also a dedicated pve person is utter nonsense.

That too a lot.

Recognition and rewards need to be worked on (and I didn’t say re-worked on purpose)

Gunner Morton.8340:

Here are some other required changes and thoughts:

Forum:

• Are you going to remove the warnings and suspensions on the forums that your moderating has given out unfairly to censor critical WvW / Anet posts as part of your damage control policies?
• Will you be restoring critical WvW posts that have been removed or hidden unfairly? This should help you give additional feedback if you actually bothered reading them instead of removing them.

This guy

I would like to mention here that if you do not address the population issue plaguing low tier servers, all the “cool” patches in the world will do nothing to revitalize the game there. Our desert BLs are empty. Our EB hasn’t had a queue in 3 years.

Sure the cheaper catapults will make us go faster when we have to 3-man our entire desert borderland to recap it.
and we might even get a small bonus from PPK.

But it will do NOTHING to the fact that all 3 desert BLs in our matchup are empty and our EB has never that many players online (3 years without a queue; even after the “population” patch).

Plus now that you’ve successfully locked the higher tier servers, there is no way for us to move and get the real experience anymore (we could argue that before we only had to pay to go up there but at least there was a way to.).

So yes once again I am here to plead for the same thing I’ve been ragging about for the past 2 years.
Reyana is doing a great job at highlighting the game mode. But those commanders are all from high tier servers who don’t even have the slightest of the problems we’re facing.

Anet you must realize that you almost have 2 games in 1 here. The WvW we’re playing has nothing to do with the one up there.
So without shouting nonsense like “firstworld problems” I would still like to EMPHASIZE that solving the population problem is still a/THE burning issue you should be focusing IMO on (megaserver much?).

I hope this post has added something to the conversation.
Please please please give it a though.

Yes we mostly play WvW. NO we’re not typically into PvE. And YES grinding PvE to get our elite specs and WvW upgrades is enraging us (Soulbound proof of heroics. GG WP)
But we still have some hope.

Duds.3815:

Yesterday morning UW cheater wiped us at SM while havoc from Zerk tried to cap it but I don’t go around and blame their guild for it. They coulnd’t see him and dead bodies of the wall look like effect of a condi bomb.

There is no one named “havoc” in Zerk…

U only get an email if you’re the OP.

Y recurring bug indeed

I don’t have an opinion on this tbh but I am sure of one thing (after years on this forum).
if Anet hasn’t fixed it, that’s how they want it. Pure and simple. Just like when they added traps. Not saying it’s good or bad. Just that it’s how it is and you would be silly to not take advantage of it (then again i want golems to be deleted so I guess….).

But hey. the new edge of the mist desert borderland maps will fix everything! Yay! Kotaku article about how Anet listens to players! : D

#sarcasm

GJ the guy that was on Blacktide trasnferred to Underworld.

And OFC when we get hackers we still can’t kittening win anything. I hate this game so much atm. (I said game I didn’t say..; ohoh almost got me there eh)

Don’t wanna give some trigger happy M od the satisfaction of using his little power.

“4 weeks in a row”. Oh your poor thing. In lower tiers we’ve been facing the same servers for months. Plus the same ol hackers as well when we faced Blacktide.
Plus we have almost no more wvw players so ven facing us must be very dull for the others : )

TRUST ME you are not in the worst case here. FAR from it.

Dopamine.7502:

Cool story but maybe fix the hacking issue in T8 caused by Blacktide? Anet devs please stop ignoring the issue and at least confirm there is a major problem.

You’re gonna have plenty of time to read all our unanswered reports and complaints threads about Blacktide hackers when they were still with us now that it’s your turn to not play WvW for months ; )

No point in doing it in PvE.
Not allowed in sPvP thx to close monitoring.

It happens in WvW now regularly coz it’s the only part of the game no one from Anet is actually spending time on.

At least the OP knows of GMs. We’ve never seen any of those in lower tiers^^

No. Understand the concept of “Full Locked Servers”

It’s over. T1 is locked until further notice. Literally

They won’t leave, they’re the only ones with a barely pleasing WvW experience. I wouldn’t blame them.

They announced that they can’t work on WvW (or even allocate any devs on it)
because they’re focusing all on HoT.

…

That is why they’re announcing a massive sPVP update.

I think I’ve never been treated more like kitten by a company in my life (government excluded ofc).

Those are good ideas in an environment where there is already a WvW population playing.

The prob here is that this does not represent everyone.

There are several servers in EU (and prob in NA as well) that will gain nothing from your ideas simply because they have no more players to play the gamemode.

We’ve been asking for population balances:
-To either help move players from full servers (with queues) towards empty ones. (and no Medium transfer prices will not help anything even over time.)
-Or to merge us with upper tiers, save server space and make the experience better.

But no. Just a crappy renaming system that dubbed all the empty servers as “medium” so they’re sure they don’t have to face the fact that they have a real problem with population and still maintain relatively expensive prices to transfer even towards end tiers.

The gamemode needs the redesign it should have had after year 1 or it needs to be dropped officially and without the “wow we’re totally gonna focus on it at some point” lies.

Just no more lies and hypocrisy from Anet… That is just pathetic

I needed a shovel to push away the salt around me when he made that freagin announcement after saying that they couldn’t do stuff for wvw because they were focusing on HoT

GG WP

T9 Underworld here:

The new changes brough nothing.
We are STILL empty (“medium”…. AHAHAH) and after several weeks of Blacktide hacking the last handful of players are pretty much giving up.

Thx for doing nothing. Thx for finishing us with a discriminating “medium” transfer price.

I’m curious to see the full list of servers the “adopt a dev” thing did. Coz I’m sure as hell we didn’t see one in T9 EU ; )

Merci pour le transcript Stephane!
On croise les doigts (fingers crossed)!

-Assuming we want something like Eotm is completely stupid. Eotm is trash that just bumps 9 random servers together without any consideration of population, timezone or WvW activity . A giant Eotm is DEFINITLY NOT what I’m suggesting

-Assuming that the idea of a giant merger would not also imply a rework of population caps and server capabilities/technology is also stupid. OFC I’m NOT suggesting we all kittening pile up in the current EB and have 5h long queues.

However HoT will release four new BIG borderlands (If you played the stress test you know how big they are and how such size will already change the game). So we’d already have a bigger playground from the start, plus if you consider the creation of additional overflow maps to prevent queues (it is a point-based gamemode after all not a conquest gamemode) I really don’t see how that could be a problem.

I understand you guys are having a good time our your server and Tier2 is probably a very fun WvW experience. But please try to understand that this is not what a majority of the other servers are experiencing.

You are afraid that your community will get destroyed? Just because it could change form? How weak is it if something as simple as that can topple it? To stay on the piken square exemple; instead of being the piken square community you’ll become the piken square alliance within the red faction.
You’ll just have to coordinate with a little more ppl. Big woop.
Plus most of you top dogs are already filling time slots on a spreadsheet somewhere to play WvW at specific times; how is a system that would allow everyone to do it would be worse than the one you already have?

I’m really happy for you guys who actually have a good WvW experience. And disagreeing on the subject is your right. But please don’t label good ideas as stupid just because your cozy “way of life” would somehow the threatened by some changes.

That is just ridiculous.

If I may:
If we had no server we wouldn’t have our ACTUAL WvW. Which happens to be flawed.

Well if they merge everyone I’d assume they’d do it cross continent so that there is no/less downtime (Some Eu servs with some NA servs with some asian servs on each side). so there “wouldn’t” be any night capping anymore since everyone will cycle between daytimes worldwide.

Community based teamspeak will just become alliance based teamspeak. Or Guild based teamspeaks, etc
It would be a big adjustment I won’t deny that but it can be done if you think about it.
You’ll end up with 3 bigger communities, one for each “alliance”. Plus it will end up giving more importance to guilds (their work, renown, etc…) within each community so I can only see that as a plus for a game called guild wars^^

And as for GvGs they mostly happen in obsidian sanctum already where there’s a special arena just for that. Also Hot will introduce GvG special arenas so we could count that as a “way” of getting GvG out of WvW (since it doesn’t really suit the mode anyway)

So yeah still very viable idea imo.

I like that a lot

A miracle I tell you! A miracle!

Yes. Mergers. yes. They have less servers to keep online. We have more players to play with. Would definitely be a start. Careful tho because there are some up tier servers that are pretty low on population as well, so it’s a bit more complicated than the simple “bottom goes up a notch” scenario

Ofc all of that would require a REAL SURVEY of the WvW population and REAL MONITORING from our Dev overlords.

-The server question is tricky: Having servers is beneficial, normally, if they are MONITORED. So right now considering Anet’s lack of interest in their own gamemode I’m gonna go with no servers since we’re suffering from the bad side of it. Rotting servers left unattended and stamped with a “medium” server label to cover up and ignore the problem.

-A guild/alliance system could be fun if implemented right: you’d need to have obvious benefits from it, like sharing teleports (ie: create guild/alliance specific teleports for the tower/keep they claimed?) or being able to track your alliance players on the map. You’d need to make a guild/alliance separate thread imo but the idea can be messed around even to include in the actual system I think.

-I’d keep the 3Way battle. It’s fun and makes for diverse situations/battles. It can be flawed when servers decide to fix their matchups (cof cof T1NA) but that is more the glickos’ fault. if Anet would interact “manually” with the matchups then the 3-way system would be much more viable. Once again, would require monitoring.

-Dynamically generated matchups. Yes yes all day everyday. With maybe some REGULAR specific tournaments/events. And by events I DO NOT mean pve events like golem week but competitive stuff like “Redbriar is worth as much as a keep for the week” or “manhunter: points from player kills are worth 2/3 times more for the week even without a finisher” kind of events.

-I like that “Goals” idea from Joneirikb; it would make guilds/players swore some sort of “vow” before the matchup according to their lvl and motivate people to compete and complete them!

-Also what would really be cool is if Anet had some sort of WvW forum that they would read regularly and also have someone/a team alocated to monitoring WvW so that the game mode does not enter a state of decay.
Taste the sarcasm.

If they can’t ban 2 hackers that we’ve been reporting/making threads/sending emails after emails with youtube videos on Blacktide for the past 2 months you can be sure that they won’t take take care of one supply troll. + We also have one of those who spies/afks on our siege. We’re freagin tier 9?! Who the hell thinks it’s relevant to do that in T9?! XD

But yeah I hope your problem gets fixed nonetheless and that Anet get’s busy on the banhammer when they come back from vacation (i guess).

morrolan.9608:

This is disappointing if true given John’s recent video missive. AFAIK no-one has personally treated him badly on this forum so why does he not visit here for feedback?

Pretty sure they’re under specific orders to ignore the WvW forums and gamemode. After all they can’t take away from the PvE cashcow that we’re ALL into apparently.

Jana.6831:

lil devils x.6071:

snip

I didn’t read everything of what you wrote – but I suspect you said the same like usual – so forgive me, please.

Thing is: What you and him call “for my satisfaction” will destroy the game for “everybody else”.
And I tried to explain it to you two but you just won’t listen.

Please stop. We obviously won’t agree on that so please don’t try to drag me into a reply again. I voiced my concern(s), you voiced your disagreement, now it’s up to the Devs.

A wild Dev appears!

Dev uses comforting reply.

It’s very effective.

stof.9341:

DiscoJacen.1590:

Don’t you see that the ONLY thing they did was just change labels on servers? We just went from full to medium big woop. We’re not medium in WvW pop, we’re empty. They labeled everything as medium to avoid lowering prices too much and/or avoid admitting that there is a population problem. DO YOU REALIZE how kittened up that is?!

Yeah I think ANet should label your server “Empty”. I’m sure it’ll attract lots of WvW players that way.

No it wont.
However they’ll be forced to do something about it(you’re not supposed to leave your servers in such a state). Plus it would reduce transfer prices even more (in the least)
By labeling empty stuff “medium” they can (and do) pretend that there is no problem and therefore do nothing to solve it.

gg wp

Popping an email to support@guildwars2.com will “at least” get ya an acknowledgement response also.

Jana.6831:

DiscoJacen.1590:

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Another idea: quit the game.
Honestly you don’t get the point, any of you here complaining about no free transfers gets how delicate wvw and communities are.

I’d laugh at that but I realized you’re actually serious.
I guess your in a good WvW server because clearly you have no idea what your talking about.
And yet looking at your posting history all I can see is that you have something against Tier9 players. We’re sorry if we’re bothering you with our problems.

Sorry I’m enjoying the game, I don’t think the Devs are Satan, I’m just pointing out flaws where I/we see them. And if I’m on these forums shouting ideas and stuff on a regular basis it’s because I care. I wouldn’t be here otherwise.
Here’s another though: you can also leave the forums and enjoy your well balanced WvW if talking about real problems is unbearable for you.

Why bother ruining your health with us eh? Clearly we’re beyond “reasoning” : )

Jana.6831:

This change was for servers like you – it took really long for them to notice and to change, but they finally did and what do you do? Complain.

Please do not mistaken: Tried to do something positive and pretend like they did something.

Don’t you see that the ONLY thing they did was just change labels on servers? We just went from full to medium big woop. We’re not medium in WvW pop, we’re empty. They labeled everything as medium to avoid lowering prices too much and/or avoid admitting that there is a population problem. DO YOU REALIZE how kittened up that is?!

Existing people won’t migrate towards us. Why would they honestly? Would you?
So our last “hope” is new players who basically have to play a game of russian roulette by selecting a random suggested medium server when they create an account. I’m sure all the new arrivals will love it that Anet suggested to them an empty server.

No Jana they just changed the labels on severs, closing their eyes, and hopping the situation will resolve itself.

It won’t.

HoT is gonna release soon. They NEED to clean up the house before it arrives.

It’s hilarious that such a smart and simple fix wasn’t already made canon in the game^^

I like your ideas Dawdler! It is a really tricky problem.

On a not so unrelated note in Underworld (EU T9) we have someone from the opposite server that has an alt account he uses to “spy” (our 5 players XD Not kidding). However he also uses it to occupy some of our defensive siege then proceeds to afk on it and therefore prevent us from using it.

So I’ll add to the to do list:
Thinking of a way to “kick” people from defensive siege to avoid that one troll/spy that will block your AC and fail an entire defense because of it.

Jana.6831:

DiscoJacen.1590:

It’s the act of having to pay extra that is unacceptable, not the actual price of it.

It’s not anet fault your server is deserted and they can’t force people to play on your server. So this really is in your hands.

Had they made ANY form of statement that they were aware of the situation and wouldn’t do anything I would have agreed with ya. No all we get is promises. If they’re gonna be hypocrites about their interest in their game mode then it is normal we should expect them to take care of this problem..

When a server is empty, you close it and dump the players on the next server up. Every mmo game has done it, or something similar, at some point (ex: GW1 removed moving restrictions between servers when some countries started to dwindle in numbers). Plus it saves money for the developer because one less server to maintain online. So no it is their fault for not monitoring anything.

Tongku.5326:

One thing that always irks me about the people stuck on lower tiers, is why cant everyone just get together, organize, and transfer higher up ?

Seriously. If T1 and T2 is filled go to T3 and T4, then so on. T3 and T4 will become filled and have a ton of more peeps to play with / against AND on top of that if they fill, there may finally be some movement and a break from stale match ups to boot.

All I keep hearing about it is completely BS invalid excuses like:

“I don’t have enough ghold…” seriously ? W T F ? It takes half a day in silverwastes to make enough to cover highest transfer cost. For real. If you are so casual that you cant do a half a day on your day off, then do like 5 hours 1 at a time. Done and done.

“I don’t have enough money …..” again, seriously ? If you are THAT poor should you even be playing games ? G T F O and get a job ! It takes anywhere from 30-60 minutes of work for most people to transfer off, its less then going to Starbucks 3 times for lunch. Again, W T F ?

And if you organize and move together not only will you preserve your community but double it in 1 move.

On top of that, as additional bonus, when there are only 2-5 people going into WvW daily A-Net will FINALLY do something about it on the servers that its happening on, but not until then, and its not gonna happen unless you guys get all together and make it happen.

Sorry man I really don’t want to be mean with ya but you have LITERALLY no idea what you’re talking about.
We are already at 2-5 ppl in WvW here (for the past 4/5 months) and not a single kittycat is given by Anet. Our “community” is non-existent (at least in T9 EU) and at this point we just need a handout from Anet to fix us/merge us (been asking for it for months now).

But we SHOULD NOT have to pay for that move. This is the important part.

ANY business professor/manager/ceo/book will tell you that you NEVER force your customers to pay extra for something they should already have when they first bought your product.
That’s the shortest way to losing your customers.

Now you can think that we’re stupid for being stubborn that is your choice and I respect that. But please don’t assume that we’re not moving just because of money.

It’s the act of having to pay extra that is unacceptable, not the actual price of it.

Dano.5298:

azizul.8469:

this is done in preparation for HoT. new players will come , and they will be directed to the lower tier servers.

If thats whats gonna happen, reckon there needs to be more ppl (at least in t8) to help receive them. I can imagine for most people, they are going to go to a t8 server and just log out immediately when there doesn’t appear to be anything going on.

For EU you can say T8 and T9. New players are gonna be really surprised when they end up in empty “suggested” servers thanks to our new crappy smoke and mirrors wvw population “measurement”. I mean in Underworld (EU T9) we’re having so much fun with our 5 wvw players! Such medium population ; )

I just want Anet to actually pay attention to the game mode instead of “allowing” 1 or 2 devs from time to time to do stuff and degrade it even further with a lack of testing.

Well dollies make it so that the upgrade goes faster (the timer reduces every time a dolly makes it to the tower/keep and only when that one is done/dead will another one spawn, as opposed to now where they are timed spawn). And they still refill the tower/keep supplies. It is different from the previous system that’s for sure.
But it’s definitely better when one person can’t screw over StoneMist/tower/camp upgrades by using the supplies to build the oils or just because he’s too lazy to run to a camp already upgraded/ing.

It’s stupid that they would scatter people when they need to be gathered! : )