Guild Wars 2

hendo.1940:

battle standard phalanx warrior can maintain perma 12 stacks of might and fury while being afk

better than ele

warriors op

25 stacks of might, for one minute. Assuming there’s another warrior in the party.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

This thead really makes me wonder by engineer gets sold short so hard, they can might blast without interference from light fields, stack loads of vuln, and now deal extremely competitive DPS (around thief tier). Much better than anything a Phalanx warrior can put out, pug or not.

I guess it’s just cause no one wants to press all those buttons, I almost never see engies in any PvE format, period, and the ones I see are running something stupid.

We just all missed the amazing new trait that converted guangmath into actual game facts, namely ‘increasing engineers direct damage by 75%’.

I almost kicked 3 guildmembers for that.

On another note, is there a reson pugs run into some corner, waiting 3 minutes before they engage the boss? I got called noob when I engaged instantly and 2 people left, one went full ragemode. Luckily I opened the dungeon and the raging guy stopped writing when I had killed the boss – solo. :/

Shaogin.2679:

Even if you have to pug because no one in your crappy guild has time for you, why join some crappy pug group that is already made? Either A) Make your own pug group as this is extremely easy and puts you in control or make sure you are the first one to enter the instance in someone else’s pug group, so that kicking you later on or so would kill the dungeon. Now B doesn’t solve being kicked at start of dungeon, but whatever.

Point of story, be the first one in the instance whether it is your group or someone else’s group, and maybe find a better guild.

Yeah, how dare I founding such a kittenty guild.

I’d rather run pure gs with sword/warhorn as secondary set than camp axe for a whole fight.
Even if it was 10% dps, it’s arguably still the a better choice than running pure axe.

noobgood.8762:

thinking of a comment against eles Hmm, never mind

Dying like flies OR losing out on rotations/dps in a non fgsfgsfgsfgsfgsfgs (pug) run.

Dalanor.5387:

Dub.1273:

Why do pugs always want multiple warriors for AC, preferably at least 3 or 4?
Is there something I don’t know or are all those just kittened?

That isn’t an AC issue only. I got kicked again from CoE as a second ele, because they wanted 3 warrior, 1 guard and 1 ele only. :/
Of course the reason was the usual “warr deepz is da bestest”.

Thats stupid aswell, but in CoE warriors at least have their uses.

Spoj The Second.7680:

Yeah the level of brainpower used in that run was 0. We were almost falling asleep. Atleast in berserker gear we have to pay attention and dodge/reflect/block key attacks. With stacked passive gear all you have to do is stack and mash face against keyboard repeatedly.

An autoclicker on your #1 skill is enough.

Why do pugs always want multiple warriors for AC, preferably at least 3 or 4?
Is there something I don’t know or are all those just kittened?

Got proof for skipping being evil, we had a play how you want dungeon run yesterday on NA and after I skipped a bunch of mobs I dc’ed and gw2 would not let me reconnect. Your blessed and alightened soul should have joined my poor camerads that had to suffer from my bad attitude, to make them smile again.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

This whole “my dungeon guild is better than your dungeon guild” Is getting nauseating.

Y’all gotta remember who the real enemy is.

Y u no want me 2 touch u?

But yeah, the only thing that makes phalanx strength “useless” is running multiple eles in casual runs and paying attention to fire fields all time, but again, noone except DD really does that. And noone really has to, I’d but very surprised if I saw runs casual runs with perfect might stacking being faster than our usual one’s, even containing no eles at all.

In the end, there’s only one best dungeon guild. And that is heitred’s. They are excellent and unmatched in what they are doing.

mage.3570:

hendo.1940:

Why would you not just ping your armour and trinkets? Secondly, why aren’t you using axe/wh + axe/mace for fotm? GS doesn’t do enough to be worth taking.

I had a guy join a FOTM group I made who was exactly like you, except he was a mesmer who pinged his GS. I knew at that point he wasn’t worth taking so I just booted him from my party, and then there was another guy who I was trying to explain to that he had bugged Belka and he said “dude, I have 20k” tokens.

Yeah … it doesn’t prove anything.

And if you honestly think you’re an experienced player, having two healing spec’d characters – well I hate to burst your bubble but you’re really not.

I think somebody needs to stop making assumptions. ROFL, its player’s like you who entertain me in the game and in the forums.

I have a full slew of weapons on my war, I switch them as needed, customizing for EACH fractal boss, which is beyond any average zerker would understand. On any average run, I use GS, axe, mace, shield, warhorn, longbow and rifle. Why shield? If you don’t know the answer to that, then delete your warrior immediately.

My philosophy:
I personally run max dps most of the time, yet I NEVER ever ask others what to run. I NEVER ask others to ping. I only get mildly irritated when people can’t do their job right, like a mesmer who doesn’t know when to portal and a guardian who doesn’t use reflects at all. In those weird cases, I bring alts and show how its done. And in the extreme case when the group clearly lacks healing (as in Shaman boss fight), I bring my cleric guard and make it all seem stupid easy. Now, go cry in a corner if you don’t know how a cleric guard operates or what weapons to use.

And like I said, I play with pugs, it’s more fun and I can play any build I want (including clerics, hehe). So, I feel this makes me a better player overall than you, knowing all classes and varieties within those classes.

Teach me, master.

The damage decrease by interrupting 100b is was smaller than when interrupting your axe chain, it deals similar dps from first to last hit, which certainly isn’t true for axe autoattacks.

As for 30/30/0/10/0 being an impractical build, let’s consider there’s two different kinds of runs, record and casual. For record runs, you will use one warrior, arguably with EA. For casual runs, playing a build that does slightly more damage, considering never dodging, always 25 might and vuln on but loses extremely on mobility, playing “fun, to most” and versatility does not make sense to me. It’s like playing 0/20/25/25/0 on an elementalist, impractical for any real run purpose ‘but highest damage’!!1!!!!11!!

Edit: And oh, let’s not even start about pug and duo runs.

It often used to bug out, I was already killing mobs for 10 minutes, before brie even reached 40% hp.

10/30/0/30/0 works well with axe, even together with an elementalist. Even easier might capping without sacrificing more personal dps.

If the damage coefficients are all correct, there’s a fault in calculations. I think my 10 minutes of testing per set are accurate enough to eliminate any chance of being 8% wrong.
To be honest, I’m getting tired of paperwars 2, nothing we get up with we can be absolutely sure about. 30/30/0/10/0 doesn’t make any sense anyway, 30/25/0/0/15 is suited for other circumstances than maximal dps.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

The difference isn’t the stat loss, it’s the fact that you have to use GS instead of axe for a Phalanx build.

What? Noone forces me to do that.

Edit: Nevermind, all my axes magically disappear when I equip Phalanx Strength. Help!

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Not to mention Dub’s methodology in general is fishy as hell.

And yet gives more reasonable results than any of your calculations.

And how exactly are tooltips correct? Do you play another game? Rush with a casttime of 2 seconds, all gs autoattacks with 0.5 seconds each? If you used those for all of your calculations yet, it explains why they are that far from reality.

Tree.3916:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEzEKiOi7Ps

The gs rotation (execution) was horrible.

Also, you forgot having your target bleeding and the test was way too short to draw any conclusions. Even my twenty minute footage is too short to eliminate variancy to a really low level, you could do your test two times and get two different results, differing by 10%.

I’m often kicking people who do not match my lfg. But you can usually identify these by some extraordinary description I put in. I’ve had a lot of fun trying to get ‘native english speakers who are willing to communicate". Eventually, after about an hour, someone joined me, quite sadly I didn’t understand his advanced english ‘i rune dol cuz orb i die many’.

Ele might has about 15 seconds before it starts dropping again, I usually don’t kill bosses that fast. I must be doing it wrong.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

So I just tested the tooltips in Mists. All of the relevant ones seem fine dude. There’s some margin of randomness to account for but I don’t see any reason why the results should be radically different from what the tooltips say they should be.

You might not have tested casttime, in that case. Using tooltips (with corrected casttimes) says pure axe is ahead of gs rotation by 10-15%, using ingame testing, gs rotation is 1,5% stronger, up to 5% even if you adjust traits for more personal dps – after applying builds and stuff.
Just doing the test completely without traits, no more than base stats (only Fgs/Dwa, Fast Hands), GS rotation is even ~13% stronger, from just direct damage.

Comparing 20/30/0/20/0 and 10/30/0/30/0, the latter just misses 100 power and 10% critical damage. Thats about 4% less personal dps but an additional 22 might, considering someone drops a warbanner or blasts a field randomly. And yeah, I wonder where practical application has gone. People are doing paperwork with no end, using wiki values and not even knowing the corrent critchance/critdamage formula. Usually assuming impractical circumstances and totally forgetting about anything but dps. One can theorycraft as much as he want, that doesn’t change the actual ingame viability of a build.

And guang, engis might be good in your calculation, but truth is, they deal worse damage than necros. The solo damage output is comparable, but in a group the engi loses just way too much because of it’s heavy condition reliancy. Its a versatile and fun profession, but not any more worth considering to bring for a speedrun than a necro, a mesmer (no portal), a ranger or multiple guardians.

In the end, I’m curious what casual runs actually meet the perma 25 might/25 vuln assumption. A ps warrior surely isn’t a bright star in the sky when it compes to organized groups, but especially in pugs, or also in casual guild runs, it’s a great alternative that isn’t screwed if some other player tries messing you up.

Loses up to 40% personal damage compared to an ele.
Provides 7 more stacks of might, all might with ~20% higher uptime and less (no) chance for failure (fire fields being covered by light fields, etc). Also brings Empower Allies and permanent Banners. Overall, an ele is somewhat better in an organized group on TS that doesn’t mess up. A PS warriors is A LOT better in any unorganized group or for fractal runs, let alone HotW.

We can’t even know what critchance and what critdamage our character actually has. And as for the tooltips, I can’t think of a single right one.

The best warrior build, for any realistic casual dungeon run, is 30/25/0/0/15.

And for tooltips, there’s just not one wrong. They all are.

laokoko.7403:

how much damage does 25 stack of might add?

About 29% to a full ascended player who has 30 in first line and gets EA + Strength banner.

draconx.3102:

If you interrupt his berserker stance it goes on 5 second cooldown and he will use it again quite quickly.

I must be cheating.

Costs are not that high, tbh. You lose about 23-30% personal damage, depending on circumstances, compared to 30/25/0/0/15 GS + A/M which is the best for personal dps assuming perma 25 might. It’s adding about 35% damage output to each other member of your party, though, for pretty much no risk.

Kinda. I was trying it in AC path 3 and gave all my party 25 perma might, just autoattacking and doing some 100b at start. The best part of this is that the might regenerates so fast, others don’t even drop below 25 if they use forceful greatsword themselves.

And GS is far superior to A/M in everything else but a vacuum (where it also would be, if might didn’t drop). Even before the patch the raw axe dps was comparable to gs + a/m dps and that didn’t make us use raw axe builds. Using raw axe builds now doesn’t make much more sense than before the update. Nothing changed, 30/25 is far superior in everything besides raw dps vacuum tests and even there, assuming might stays at 25, it’s stronger aswell.

Edit: Also, with a Phalanx Strength warrior, your might won’t drop, even if you’re using forceful gs. Which you can swap out for almost no dps loss, by the way. My rotations have not been using 100b on cooldown, just Bladetrail and Rush might cause a little loss.

Edit 2: My calculation has actually been with 2-3 whirlwind attack hits, you even hit those on asura sized bosses. 3 is about average for most bosses, 4 for bigger sized/in a corner one’s.

You do not need any transquilizer darts, as you can interrupt all of his berserker modes by getting off 5 defiant stacks within 48 seconds.

Yeah, thought so. Thing is, Goku didn’t record the first one, which I already rendered, so he uploaded another one instead.

Hundred blades does not have backloaded damage.

Builds:

GS + A/M: 30/25/0/0/15, V, IX, XI | V, X | None.

A/M DWA: 30/30/0/10/0, V, X, XI | I, V, XIII | VI

Assumptions:

Both: 25 might, both banners, permanently bleeding targets, permanent fury, permanent 15% from Berserker’s Power. Same sigils, same runes, same anything.
Round up/down Float -> Int for Critchance and Critdamage. Full ascended berserker equipment, 6 power infusions, 8 precise infusions.

GS: 10% Slashing Power, Forceful Greatsword cooldown reduction, bladetrail using GS traits, even while on A/M, 58% uptime (round down from 58, 1/3%)
A/M: 5% from Mace. 42% uptime (round up from 41, 2/3%)
A/M DWA: 5% from Mace, 10% Critdmg from Axe Mastery, 8.2% from DWA, 3 boons permanently for Empower, 2 signets permanently for Deep Strikes.

Test:

10 minutes of attacking the indestructible golem in the mists, counting each damage hit on each weapon set, for both, GS +A/M and A/M DWA. Golem was permanently bleeding. This was just to get coefficients/time with hopefully low variance (kitten you critchance/weapon coefficient) for each set.

Results of HotM tests:

383838 damage over 600 seconds by GS + A/M, 238706 damage by GS, 145132 by A/M.
340740 damage over 600 seconds by A/M DWA.

Results (E-Power):

59470.5 E-Power for GS + A/M, 67k for GS, 51k for A/M.
58688.0 E-Power for A/M DWA.

Fazit:

Using ingame values instead of wiki coefficients, GS + A/M is actually stronger than pure A/M DWA by 1.33%

Anyone is welcome to test this himself, I surely had quite a few human errors in my rotations, aswell as I’m not sure about the bladetrail hits, counting for which weapon set.

Goku: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWW9D-1lNkU
Dub: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wstGTYObTHE

Yeah, it didn’t exactly get harder, nevertheless the end boss took quite a while, partly because we forgot stacking might/fury.

66% of that anime girl are her legs. Looks unhealthy.

Anyway, you should definitely change your boots, there are some that look kinda like in the right picture. As for trousers, they don’t seem to be fitting either, although I have no idea if there are better ones.

Yes, one.
Reroll warrior.

I always have to laugh when I see people who think a trinity causes build diversity.
Build diversity is an illusion, no matter how a game is constructed, there will always be an optimum (being viable) and other subpar choices. In the end, there is always one choice to make: being useful, adapting to game mechanics and actively playing or being a leech, afk’ing through content and complaining on the forums.

I’m all in for better encounters, especially in dungeons. Lupicus, open world Melandru and Legendary Wizard in front of Arah. Those are nice fights where you actually need to pay attention. Know what they all not put out? Constant, unavoidable damage that needs to be out-afk’ed. They all do high damage attacks, more or less frequently. Position yourself right, pay attention to dodge or… die. May you leech set not carry you.

“kitten , I forgot to farm it and now it’s too late. I hate temporary content.”

It was fun while it lasted. Sander and I were planning on presenting you all a much better one than this, but sadly they fixed Power Block too fast. Rest in peace again mesmers, may we all remember the day you’ve been useful.

Those builds are all terribly bad in PvE (Dungeons/Fractals).
Well, whatever suits you best for open world.

Screw the thief, eles all the way.

And D/F’s direct damage is superior to S/F + LH’s direct damage. The latter is often chosen because it has greater might stacking capacibilities.

Question is, can you call increasing the damage output of a boss that never hits you, a buff?

Casmurro.9046:

PM “Heitred”. He might have tested it already.

Fixed that for you.

Just go D/F with 30/30/0/0/10 (vigor) and swap to staff whenever you feel it would be a safer choice. D/F stacks might almost as well as S/F and has a lot greater defensive capabilities, combined with a higher damage output.

Khal Drogo.9631:

xsquared.1926:

Khal Drogo.9631:

Spiuk.8421:

Khal Drogo.9631:

Zepidel.5349:

Khal Drogo.9631:

Purple Miku.7032:

Khal Drogo.9631:

Purple Miku.7032:

@Khal

False. As someone that frequently went for solo times in Arah, I can assure you that in full ascended strength runes (switched from scholar for obvious reasons) I’m still not able to hit as well as I was before the patch unless I’m pretty much camping GS, which is obviously not a viable option most of the time.

I am quite sure that in an organized group in Arah / PUG in other dungeons it doesnt make a difference. The keywords are “camping GS”.

Well if we’re on the topic of organised groups again, then GS was rendered inefficient as of yesterday’s patch and scholar still remains the dominant rune choice along with camping axe AA with an empowered build and 30 in Arms.

Not every organized group as in non PUG not super organized speedrunners runs 2xeles or thieves have might spamming. I am not sure in that scenario you can keep 25 stacks up permanently (then again not much lasts that long in a maxed out party) and maintain >90% health.

I primarily PUG dungeons and open world ie do not have an organized group so I will stick with the more conservative approach with runes of strength.

In any case how is this RIP zerker build?

only 2 eles? hahaha what a noob how is everyone going to have a FGS with only 2 eles? If your group doesn’t have 3 eles at least you aren’t even playing the game as far as I’m concerned.

FGS ele DPS > a warrior axe axe burst? Dunno havent tried it – guess Zepidel doesnt play with 99% of GW2 population.

FGS ele DPS > combined DPS of 2 warriors (against a wall).

You could say 3 if you take into account the extra FGS for your ranger/mesmer.

Against a wall. And you are telling me that FGS ele has 10K DPS fully decked out? Can you post a link with the actual numbers, as well as a comparison when walls aren’t available?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnPui3MAx8Q

Warrior has nothing against ele

You may as well play a video of COF P2 eles owning the rock. It would interesting to see the warriors numbers.

Group:

Solo: (Consider stronger self buffing of warriors)

For the record, our ele did about 67k dps.

“Mmmmh, I want moar!”