Guild Wars 2

re: IMO, spoilers should be allowed when the movie is usually not shown in cinemas anymore? – That’s a great bit of common sense right there.

re: Why on earth is this reportable? – The OP, Gaile, and most of the other posters in this merged thread are talking about people deliberately spamming spoilers in map chat. (for the purpose of griefing) Not someone who accidentally types in local or map chat instead of whisper or party chat.
Like Gaile said, CS will make individual judgements per report.

re: My God, so much QQ over a request for simple decency. – IMO, It’s the jerks and griefers defending their (supposed) right to be jerks and griefers. How sensitive they seem to be, especially for people who scoff at other people’s sensitivity, and demand that they “toughen up”. No hypocrisy there. :p

@ Pandaman – Made me lol!

re: Doctor Tove prescribes 12 months in Somalia for everybody with hurt feelings over some first world non issue. – And because the world is very harsh and unfair, especially for those in third world countries, that justifies people being jerks simply because they can? If you had really seen all the pain and misfortune you’re calling attention to, I would think you would be in favor of making the world a better place. I would think you would be the first to step up and encourage people to treat each other kindly, and not make even more problems.
I suspect that “Doctor” Trove’s PhD is fake.

re: It’s literally pathetic. – And you pointing that out makes you so much better a person than the op. :p I mean, you say how pathetic this thread is, yet you justify it by taking the time to write a response?

re: The fireball isn’t that bad/Maybe for you. – Sorry, I didn’t mean to infer that I liked it better.(or at all) I was just contrasting it with some of the other changes. It would be really nice to get options for this stuff. Or at least a response about this.

I’m no longer seeing this issue since the “fix” was rolled out. I’ve logged out/in and restarted several times since then. For me it seems consistently fixed.
So if you’re still having this issue, please post. I would also make a tech support ticket.(and they can get whatever relevant details from you)

re: This is kittening annoying. – Meaning it’s still happening? If so, say that and give details.

The fireball isn’t that bad, but auras and wells ought to be easily readable in combat.

re: workaround/ Once you set up your settings, log out to character select and then log out to the launcher. – For clarity, you mean do this every time you exit the game until the fix, right?

re: the 90s are calling. They want their SourceSafe and CVS (the source control, not the pharmacy) back. – Well, it’s not a primer for engineering students. It’s a post on a forum with a quick and simple explanation for forum-goers without a software engineering background. To help them better understand some industry-specific terms and concepts that are being thrown around. To help them understand the issues, and why we may not be able to get fixes as quickly as we all want them.
So the outdated terms I used are okay in this context. Please tell the 90’s I won’t be returning their call.
But if you would like to put up a clearer, more accurate explanation, with more up to date terms, please feel welcome to do so.(I’m totally serious) And if I like your explanation better, I’ll replace my post with a link to yours.

re: I think people need to link waypoints and directions though when calling out in map chat. – Agreed. I can tell you from experience, if you want help, linking a WP and giving directions will get you better and quicker results. And in HoT you should probably think about any required masteries, and include those as well. Yeah, it’s a little more work, but it could save you from a long wait.

For those of you who haven’t worked in the software programming/developing industry, this is what all the “version control software” and “proper documentation” stuff is about:

Version control software is what companies use so that multiple developers can work on the same project, and not be tripping all over each other.(ideally) But they have to use it, and use it properly.

Version control software kindof treats the various libraries, objects, subroutines, etc… like library books – only 1 person can have it “out” at a time. And there are records of who “has it” at any given time.

A software company has developers A, B, and C all working on the same project. So they’re using version control software to help them be more productive:

Dev A is working on Subroutine 999. He has it “checked out”, so when Dev B goes to access it to make his changes, the version control software tells him that he must wait, because Dev A is already working on it. And he can see notes from Dev A explaining why he has Subroutine 999 checked out and what he’s doing. But here is where the library analogy breaks down. Dev C who (like us) wants to get fixes in quickly, accesses Subroutine 999 without going through the version control software. So Dev C makes changes while Dev A is also making changes. Neither one knows about the other’s changes, and they clash and make a bug. Or Dev C does go through version control, but he’s in a hurry, and doesn’t read Dev A or Dev B’s notes about Subroutine 999. Or he doesn’t make notes about his changes. Any of this leads to problems because people are working on code without knowing fully what’s going on.
Dev C is not a necessarily bad guy. He just wants to get his changes out quickly so that stuff gets fixed.(or implemented) So he doesn’t want to take the time to go through all the proper steps – he just wants to get it done.(Quickly!) But then there are consequences. Because the code is so vast, that you can’t just look at it and see the whole thing. You have to rely on other people’s notes to tell you what’s gong on.

Some developers are very bad about documenting their code, or their changes, or both. That’s fine if you’re the only one working on a project, and as long as you continue to work on that project.(Well, not really, but you can get by.) But if you are no longer working on that project, or there are other people working on it, then the code needs to be documented. And if you make changes, they need to be documented. Or it all starts to fall apart because people don’t know what other people are doing, or have done.

Or maybe the version control software is not doing it’s job well. If it’s hard to use, or doesn’t work well, then it can make everything much more difficult. If you make something difficult to do, slow to use, or it doesn’t produce good results, many developers are likely to avoid/skip/go around it. This may be the issue, or may also be the issue.

Hopefully this sheds some light on why we’re harping on this stuff like it’s so important.

re: if there is actually a version control software being used – For a project the size of GW2 they would have to be using version control software, or GW2 wouldn’t even work at all. Either it isn’t very good version control software, or developers are not making good use of it.
Either way it’s a management problem. Get better version control software, or make people use it, and use it properly.

re: missing patch notes – This (IMO) is also an indication of poor code documentation. If code was being properly documented, complete and accurate patch notes would be much easier. Ensuring good communication is one of managements primary functions. And the view from out here makes it look like good communication is not happening at Anet.

First off, being rude and disrespectful never gets you what you want. Being polite isn’t guaranteed to work, but being rude is guaranteed to fail. I’m glad that they’re actually posting here on the official forums instead of Reddit.

Second, don’t shoot the messenger. Gaile isn’t the CEO of Anet or a dev, either. She’s the person who is passing the information to us. She has no direct control over any of it, so please don’t address her directly with your frustrations.(As if this is her doing.) Yes, please let her know politely how this is messing up our game play, but don’t take it out on her. Her job isn’t to make the game, it’s to communicate with us.

re: test for 3-5 maybe 10 accounts before push to main servers? – Yeah, they’ve done that. They’ve probably tested with dozens or hundreds. But some problems don’t show up except with higher numbers that you can’t test with.

re: How one manages to mess up the player settings, without actually changing anything with them, is beyond my comprehension as a developer. – But they are changing them, they’ve added more choices and keybinds in the options menu. Which evidently is throwing things off. And somehow that slipped through the cracks.

Don’t think I’m excusing Anet. I know that it’s impossible to ship bug-free code. But even still I think Anet is shipping code with more than an excusable amount of bugs. I’ve worked in a development environment, and I am reasonably sure Anet’s software control and documentation policies and procedures are either not effective, or are not being properly enforced.(Changes and fixes would be quicker and have less bugs otherwise.) Or maybe they’re understaffed,(for the workload) or management does not have reasonable expectations. There is some reason for the relatively large amount of bugs per patch, and the relatively long handle time for fixes. But I’m not going to accuse them of not testing at all, or be rude about _ it. I would say respectfully, that we can see there is some underlying problem, and we would please like to have it addressed. So that Anet releases better code, with less bugs, and has a shorter turnaround time for fixes.

We need to please be polite, or at least civil in our responses to them. It’ no wonder they post on Reddit instead of here. :p

Thank you Anet and Gaile for posting this response about the options settings bug.

There is a peppermint swirl in the home instance at his location.
If you completed this part last year,(or the year before?) it doesn’t reset this year. You can’t do it again.(Which makes the letter pointless – dunno why they sent it again to people who already completed if they aren’t resetting it for this year.) Is it listed as completed in your Wintersday Achievements?

If this falls off of the front page people will make new threads instead of using this one.

In most maps, if you look up at the sky you’ll see stars and maybe the moon at night.

Thank you everyone for all the information and advice. We’ll have to keep in mind that it may take a couple or more tries just because of the random spawn locations. re: In a discussion thread a few weeks back, the consensus was that any four people could claim a GH, as long as they were otherwise successful elsewhere – Do you remember what forum that thread was posted to? This same group has done the entire Personal Story, Living Story Seasons 1 & 2 and at least 1 path in every dungeon together, so we’re used to working with each other and coordinate well. We’re going to make our first attempt (and possibly more) this Saturday night. Thank you again for all the helpful advice and information
If anyone has anything else to add, please feel free to do so.

Thank you for the information. So changing guild halls is really just a matter of doing the other capture. I guess the important thing is that all your upgrades are grandfathered in. Otherwise, it totally wouldn’t be worth it.

Thanks for clarifying.

Thank you for your advice. And I had totally forgotten that it’s possible to change guild halls – thank you for that reminder. What makes Lost Precipice easier to access?

My (super tiny) guild is going to try and claim with a party of 4. Can anyone please give us advice for this fight? We do not have any Warriors/Berserkers, and have 1 Mesmer that is not also a Chronomancer. I think that we have at least one of every other profession, though.
We are going to try with a party of 4 first, then add more if that fails. We understand that we should not go above a party of 10, because it will start to scale up. Looking more for strategy and tactics, rather than “Use <this> gear and eat <this> food”, type advice. We have already looked at the dulfy guide.

Also, what does the “base” guild hall come with? Does it even have a merchant and armor repair, or is it just bare walls? I will probably make a separate thread regarding best way/order/method for upgrading, so please hold that sort of info, thank you.

We know that we need all party members to have Exalted Lore 1, or some kind of portal to reach the starting point for Gilded Hollow. We know that gliding is a requirement to get to the starting point for Lost Precipice.

Finally, what advantage/benefit does one hall have over the other? Why did you/would you choose the one you did?

The bottom line is, if “not enough” people do raids, then Anet will nerf them. So both sides(casual and hard core) need to present an united front (now, while we can still make a difference) and request that raids have a scaling difficulty similar to fractals. This scaling system has already been implemented in other GW2 content,(fractals) and works well. So I would suggest that we please come together and get behind fractal-like scaling difficulty for raids, before Anet goes crazy with the nerfs.(Because you know eventually, they will.)

Putting this back on the front page so that people will use this instead of making their own threads.
Could we please at least get an official response here on this forum concerning what Anet’s plans are for graphic optimization and a tentative timeline? And will any of the really dreadful, functionality-impacting visual nerfs be rolled back when they complete their optimization.(Or when the esports thing is over)

No, first they need to move the “Consume” and “Destroy All” options onto opposite sides of the “Use” option.(Instead of next to each other.) That would make a mis-click potentially less disastrous.
Then they can apply it to other stackables.

I’m glad they moved the loading screen ads out of the image and into the black space – Thank you!
Now if they would only let us dismiss these ads for content that we may or may not be interested in. I would even be favorable to a choice between a “Dismiss Once” option and a “Dismiss forever and ever because I am not interested in this, never will be, and according to Colin I’m a bad person and I’m killing GW2” option.

I think that you’re going to have to illustrate what you can do for guild leaders/officers that’s better than the free advertising they get from their guild members.
Let me offer that I please don’t want you to do anything that will increase guild recruit spam in map chat. I really wish they’d put that stuff on a guild recruiting bulletin board in every major city. With a crier broadcasting it in a very short-range local chat right outside the guild HQ in Lion’s Arch. (Which is the only place it would ever appear in chat.)

When this falls off the front page, people can’t see it and make their own thread.

There’s a thread covering various Legendary Journey/Collection bugs that you might want to post this too here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Update-on-Legendary-Collections-More

Sorry to have to tell you this, but as yet there are no color blind options. And since it has been more than 3 years since release, I doubt there ever will be. It has been asked for many times, but I don’t recall Anet ever even answering any of the threads. I don’t know why they couldn’t just say "There are reasons that we don’t want to attempt that, and this is what they are… "

re: Two guys running up the path attacked my dead body and moved on. – Let me guess, they were max-size Charr or Norn, with gigantic swords, wore armor covered in 18" spikes, horns, etc… Their armor was deep black and/or blood red, and they had names like “Lord Blood Rage”.
There are many, many players under the age specified in the EULA, their parents don’t read or don’t care. They pull the entire game down, and we have to deal with them, and their immaturity. Because there’s really no way for Anet to enforce the age restriction.

re: I usually have blue and green luck in my inventory, as I only consume them when I have a full stack to save me an amount of clicking. – They recently added a “consume all” option to the right-click menu for essence of luck.(But only essence of luck, unfortunately.)

re: You do all realize the probable end result if enough of a fuss is made about devs posting so much on Reddit and not here, right? They will be “discouraged” from posting about the game on Reddit, and nothing will change here. – Well, if they’d communicate with us here on the official forums before the blood is thigh-deep, and there are multiple torch & pitchfork wielding mobs, then it wouldn’t really be an issue now, would it? There will always be bugs that pop up and make large groups of players angry. And it should always be dealt with promptly and with professionalism and courtesy.(Y’know, not like Colin’s Reddit post on why the visual nerfs weren’t because of esports, and it was all our fault and if we don’t rabidly support esports we’re terrible people and we’re killing GW2.) Sticking their heads in the sand, and/or blaming players aren’t solutions. And we should get answers here on the official forums first.(It’s what they’re for.)

I don’t hold out much hope of getting an answer on the weekend, but it would be very nice to get some official response to this issue. We’re concerned not only that the issue won’t be resolved, but also that it will get worse, as this is part of an ongoing plan.

You might want to add this to the thread on Legendary Collection fixes:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Update-on-Legendary-Collections-More

The original game(meaning GW1) had a very useful build saving/loading/sharing system. It also had weapons sets. Just these two things would be very nice to have. We don’t need something all-encompassing and complicated, that would manage trait, skill and gear changes all at once. That could come later, or not at all if it isn’t feasible to do.

18 slot bags are a much better value, IMO. Though you do sacrifice 2 slots per bag, they’re about one-quarter the price.

You can easily sell most stuff that you don’t want to salvage. Though you may lose money, it seems that you want less busy work. I can sympathize. Low values runes and sigils that you can’t sell on the TP are generally below 19 copper each. If your guild has a guild hall, you can pop in there(G screen, click on the “enter guild hall” button in the upper right) and sell them to the merchant, then pop right back to where you were.(same button) In our guild hall, the merchant is very close to where you enter the guild hall. I don’t know if this is standard.

Agreed with the above, mystic salvage kits are a good value, as is the copper fed salvage kit.

To me Queensdale and the other Kryta areas are the most beautiful. They remind me of Pre-Searing Ascalon.(from GW1)

Hopefully this game will remain beautiful. And beauty that has been lost, will be restored.

re: I already cannot use my favorite word for analyze, that’s six letters, begins with “a” and ends with “double-s” because it becomes kittenized. – Azzezz and A$$e$$ both work.

Thanks again for getting an official response out in this thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Update-on-Legendary-Collections-More

I just noticed that the confusion condition aura/indicator has tiny, detailed bats and butterflies flying around in it. The confusion aura is easily visible and distinctive without this “visual clutter”. It doesn’t need multiple animated figures flitting around in it to be recognizable. I don’t really care what the confusion aura looks like, so long as it’s distinctive. Why didn’t Anet start with stuff like that?
Meanwhile the buff auras are now difficult to even see, much less tell apart.

Thank you for an official post on the official forums. I hope you’ll continue to monitor this thread and make note of the information being supplied by players.

And can we please get some attention and response to “fail gating” in general? Long ago this was proven to be a bad idea, and many times since then. Why is this method still being used at all?

And while we’re on the subject of communication, it would be constructive to address some of the other threads that have gotten a lot of posts. These issues are on our minds, and the lack of communication is worrisome.

Kittenponded = who _ responded The filter doesn’t seem to count spaces, in places where there are spaces between certain letters that would make a filtered word. I’ve found underbar is a good way to get around this. The sentence should read:
“Wasn’t really aware that he was the one who _ responded, but if there’s info we can share, I’m sure he will.”

This should be taken up with tech support,(definitely with a crash log) but here’s something you can do on your own – Shut down and restart your PC before you do World Boss or other major events. But get in a party first, so you can re-join where you left off.
And if you’re running 64 bit Windows, you can try the 64 bit client. Some people have found it helpful in resolving these event related crash issues.(there’s a sticky about the 64 bit at the top of the forum)

Thank you very much Gaile, for giving us an update here on the official forums. We appreciate it.

Thank you for the link to both dev trackers.

I apologize if my post was interpreted as being overly critical of Matt. I mean, I started out complimenting the way he handled addressing our concerns.(As opposed to the way Colin did) I think the post was well written, and if he had posted it on the official forums, instead of Reddit, I would not have been so critical. For some reason, to me it is a BFD (big frellin’* deal) that developers are posting on Reddit instead of the official forums. And I haven’t seen his post here yet.

• - ‘scuse my Farscape.
  <edit: Boy, I just do not do well with the forums’ formatting. The previous line is supposed to start with an Asterisk * instead of a bullet.>
  It’s nice that you can get sci-fi swear words past the filter.

The dev tracker is on Reddit?

re: There is a thread on reddit discussing this issue… ~ …Take heart, ANET agrees with you. – why are they responding on Reddit instead of the offical forums?(Why?) Here’s a link to a player-made thread with that info:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/On-Legendaries-from-Dev/first#post5825515

re: told that this collection item is working as intended… ~ …and if I was unhappy I should voice my opinions in the forums. So here I am. – But they aren’t responding on the forums, they’re responding on Reddit.(Why?)

re: Oh, was also told I should try playing at a later hour when there are fewer people on the map. – This is a solution?!? Why has Anet not learned from their past mistakes? Why do they keep fail-gating things?