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Let me ask you a question. What is the main objective of the game?
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They were suggesting that the game was in a much better state than the US economy.
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Well Anet brought it up in the beginning of the game, so I’m not really sure what you’re saying that says about them.
I’m not sure what you are referring to but the way they have implemented the game is the reality here and it’s indicative enough to know they aren’t going to take a socialist approach to throwing loot at people because of fairness, equality or any other feel-good reason to do so. Game is structured around fundamental principles like free markets and doing what you want. Suggesting that someone having more gold than someone else creates a problem shows people don’t understand these fundamental principles.
In the beginning of the game JS and Anet posted a bunch of informative graphs and statistics. Among those was a bit on the economic equality in the game vs that of the US economy.
Suggesting that economic disparity might create issues shows a regard for history. Since historic happenings are our best predictors of future occurrences, to do the fore mentioned not only shows rationale but an underlying understanding of the principle itself.
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Thinking we might have replaced an e with an a. An asura collage finisher, I would imagine, would be much different than an asura college finisher. Ofc the college of arts and crafts might work for both.
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LAWL … gold disparity is a problem. That’s a new one.
There’s nothing new about it. It is one of the reasons Anet posted the information graph in the beginning of the game boasting the equality of the game vs the disparity of rl. Things have changed since then towards mimicking rl.
You’re right, it’s not new, it’s stupid. I’m just impressed someone has the audacity to actually bring it up. I do have to admit, it is interesting to see how far some of these socialist ideals go when discussing theoreticals in a MMO. I’m waiting for the thread that goes like this:
“Anet, please make it so whatever I want is free because it’s the only way to guarantee ‘equality’ for every player. Also, make it so I can just click to get my achievements done; it’s not politically correct to make me feel bad because someone has higher achievement score than I do. Also, give me an I WIN button for PVP so I can prevent losing; it’s not fair.”
Well Anet brought it up in the beginning of the game, so I’m not really sure what you’re saying that says about them.
I don’t believe any in the current discussion are asking for free,intsa win buttons,etc etc… or have even brought it up besides you. I mean there’s reasonable and then there’s this stigma that you’re attaching to something that no one is saying.
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You forget that there’s a specific definition listed for when it pertains to economics.
That was the whole point of the word “other” at the end of my prior post.
And I bolded the part of my post you are not understanding.
When it comes to economics, there’s only one definition for inflation.
lol Thanks for this……Gold Jerry Gold!
This is exactly where your mistake is. Look it up….ask around…..or simply just give it a second or two of thought.
It’s the Highlander of definitions…there can be only one……lmao!
Are there more than one definition for the economic term of currency inflation?
Not that I’m aware of. It’s (A) basically printing money without upping goods and services, which means there has to be price inflation (B). B being a necessary condition of A, but A not being a necessary condition of B.
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You forget that there’s a specific definition listed for when it pertains to economics.
That was the whole point of the word “other” at the end of my prior post.
And I bolded the part of my post you are not understanding.
When it comes to economics, there’s only one definition for inflation.
lol Thanks for this……Gold Jerry Gold!
This is exactly where your mistake is. Look it up….ask around…..or simply just give it a second or two of thought.
It’s the Highlander of definitions…there can be only one……lmao!
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So if one is lacking in knowledge about a subject they shouldn’t attempt in forming an argument, but if one has knowledge about a subject (well lets be real here…feels they have more knowledge about a subject) then a valid counter may be expressed without any conveyed consideration?
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You forget that there’s a specific definition listed for when it pertains to economics.
That was the whole point of the word “other” at the end of my prior post.
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In any structured debate that would cause you to lose traction. Should it be any different here?
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Also to note that there are other uses of the term inflation that may be used correctly when discussing things that do not have to share meaning with the economic definition even though when running in parallel with an economic discussion.
Well when people use it in relation to the economy then they should use the economic definition although I don’t see how it would be any different.
What?
Let’s put it easier……Let’s use the word “tape” as an example.
ex) My tape broke, so I used tape to tape it up.We can see via the example that one word can be used while discussing a subject and simultaneously have different meanings.
Now let’s apply that to “inflation”.
ex) The inflation of the price of gasoline was due to an OPEC accord, not inflation.No. You’re just grasping at straws as it’s clear that you do not know what inflation is.
What part of that was incorrect?
The part that you don’t know the meaning of inflation and then try to make up some ridiculous example.
You mean like how economic inflation over the years can account for the continual rise in prices of good and services? or That the purchasing power of a currency decreases relative to the amount purchased?
Yep, no earthly idea…….
Congrats. Now apply it to this game rather than try to make up some double meaning for the word.
Made up meaning? Your kidding right? Please tell me you have more sense than that.
1 : an act of inflating : a state of being inflated: as
a : distension
b : a hypothetical extremely brief period of very rapid expansion of the universe immediately following the big bang
c : empty pretentiousness : pomposity
There’s no rule stating that that meaning cannot be used while in conjunction with the other.
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Also to note that there are other uses of the term inflation that may be used correctly when discussing things that do not have to share meaning with the economic definition even though when running in parallel with an economic discussion.
Well when people use it in relation to the economy then they should use the economic definition although I don’t see how it would be any different.
What?
Let’s put it easier……Let’s use the word “tape” as an example.
ex) My tape broke, so I used tape to tape it up.We can see via the example that one word can be used while discussing a subject and simultaneously have different meanings.
Now let’s apply that to “inflation”.
ex) The inflation of the price of gasoline was due to an OPEC accord, not inflation.No. You’re just grasping at straws as it’s clear that you do not know what inflation is.
What part of that was incorrect?
The part that you don’t know the meaning of inflation and then try to make up some ridiculous example.
You mean like how economic inflation over the years can account for the continual rise in prices of good and services? or That the purchasing power of a currency decreases relative to the amount purchased?
Yep, no earthly idea…….
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Also to note that there are other uses of the term inflation that may be used correctly when discussing things that do not have to share meaning with the economic definition even though when running in parallel with an economic discussion.
Well when people use it in relation to the economy then they should use the economic definition although I don’t see how it would be any different.
What?
Let’s put it easier……Let’s use the word “tape” as an example.
ex) My tape broke, so I used tape to tape it up.We can see via the example that one word can be used while discussing a subject and simultaneously have different meanings.
Now let’s apply that to “inflation”.
ex) The inflation of the price of gasoline was due to an OPEC accord, not inflation.No. You’re just grasping at straws as it’s clear that you do not know what inflation is.
What part of that was incorrect?
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That last quote is a fallacy. It doesn’t matter how things are in other mmo economies or in general economies when consideration is for only GW2’s economy.
It would be like saying that a murderer that only killed one person isn’t bad because you should examine serial killers and genocidal maniacs. The comparison has little to nothing to do with whether or not the 1st one is bad. It’s merely an attempt to lessen the impact.
And you missed the point of the quote. It was not a comparison.
Please enlighten me. It’s fine and dandy that you say I missed the point, but without saying how or why, it’s hardly worthwhile.
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Also to note that there are other uses of the term inflation that may be used correctly when discussing things that do not have to share meaning with the economic definition even though when running in parallel with an economic discussion.
Well when people use it in relation to the economy then they should use the economic definition although I don’t see how it would be any different.
What?
Let’s put it easier……Let’s use the word “tape” as an example.
ex) My tape broke, so I used tape to tape it up.
We can see via the example that one word can be used while discussing a subject and simultaneously have different meanings.
Now let’s apply that to “inflation”.
ex) The inflation of the price of gasoline was due to an OPEC accord, not inflation.
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That last quote is a fallacy. It doesn’t matter how things are in other mmo economies or in general economies when consideration is for only GW2’s economy.
It would be like saying that a murderer that only killed one person isn’t bad because you should examine serial killers and genocidal maniacs. The comparison has little to nothing to do with whether or not the 1st one is bad. It’s merely an attempt to lessen the impact.
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Also to note that there are other uses of the term inflation that may be used correctly when discussing things that do not have to share meaning with the economic definition even though when running in parallel with an economic discussion.
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Well a dev in the main thread told me that the new default price to sell an item at is lowest sell order and not highest bid. That should be interesting to see.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Trading-Post-2-0-Last-Feature-pack-Arcticle/4369694
I find this to one of the most interesting changes. I think this will have a rather significant effect on things.
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LAWL … gold disparity is a problem. That’s a new one.
There’s nothing new about it. It is one of the reasons Anet posted the information graph in the beginning of the game boasting the equality of the game vs the disparity of rl. Things have changed since then towards mimicking rl.
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Could it work different? Maybe, but then again, why should it? This isn’t a social experiment, it’s a business. The status quo does more than just work … it’s part of a successful business formula. Whatever people are thinking to ‘fix’ this is always going to be more work, more risky and more destabilizing than current approach. None of those points have been addressed and none of what has been said to counter those points considers the business aspect of the game. IMO, those factors outweigh any perceived need for more people to be happy because of having a legendary.
There have been extensive amounts of things that have been improved for the better even when the “status quo” worked. Why do we no have a sub for GW2 when the mmo model was sub based and successful? Why do we have new models of anything when older ones work?
Is innovation a bad thing all of a sudden?
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I find it amusing that ya’ll use that word so frequently since when a customer buys something they become entitled to it (ofc clauses withstanding).
Like it’s a bad thing……“You mean you actually want to use the bathroom in the house you bought? For shame…that’s exhibiting entitlement like behavior.”…..lol
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It’s not like there is a big medal on the character select page, an achievement section for it, swappable stats, permanent top tier status, and/or being a significant part of a very limited endgame.
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His next response will be that they can just increase T6 material drops rates and then have some event that artificially inflates supply temporarily to meet the sudden increased demand.
You mean like Wanze mentioned a few posts ago?
That leaves us with charged lodestones.
They come from chests in CoE and FotM and are on the loot table of 9 different containers.
They also drop from 7 different mobs.4 of those mobs were recently introduced in Dry Top and 3 of the containers also drop in Dry Top. 2 more containers containing charged lodestones are loot and champ bags from wvw, with season 3 coming up this month, their droprate will rise significantly.
Especially with the extra drops from dry top, maybe Anet already adressed that issue a couple of months prior to the feature pack.
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By more than spirit weapons I meant that there will be other items besides those needed for crafting spirit weapons that will be shaken up. From the screens we know there will be a common achievement tab as well as the rare one. That will most likely include all components of those items as well. This is not contained to charged lodestones by any means.
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And that’s kinda the issue at hand. It’ll effect much more than just spirit weapons and the related components. It most likely will be rather far reaching, to an extent similar to the shake up that Ohoni mentioned
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Well, my one consolation in this one, if you’ve been following any of the threads on precursor crafting, is that the economic experts around here assure me that they will NEVER make precursors more common, because that would drive up demand for related materials in the marketplace and lead to chaos and destruction. Well if that’s true, then obviously it’s IMPOSSIBLE for them to massively increase demand on all these other items, because that would be even more destructive.
The economic experts can’t be wrong, right?
You may find it worth re-examining the recipes for these items and what’s needed for the legendary weapons. You’ll quickly see how your argument falls apart.
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Yeah b/c needing 500 charged lodestones (spirit back skin) is not like needing 100 (legendary) or 350 (mjolnir).
The Charged Lodestones would go into forging the spirit weapons, not into the backpack, so thats still 100 charged ls per exclusive skin you pay.
How much fine t6 mats go into spirit weapons?
250 ori ingots, 250 cured hardened leather sections, and 750 more ignots or 1000 ancient planks…per weapon so multiple those by 5. That might also effect t5 mats promotion
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Well, my one consolation in this one, if you’ve been following any of the threads on precursor crafting, is that the economic experts around here assure me that they will NEVER make precursors more common, because that would drive up demand for related materials in the marketplace and lead to chaos and destruction. Well if that’s true, then obviously it’s IMPOSSIBLE for them to massively increase demand on all these other items, because that would be even more destructive.
The economic experts can’t be wrong, right?
You may find it worth re-examining the recipes for these items and what’s needed for the legendary weapons. You’ll quickly see how your argument falls apart.
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Yeah b/c needing 500 charged lodestones (spirit back skin) is not like needing 100 (legendary) or 350 (mjolnir).
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Imo this change will expedite wealth concentration. This will lead to more flipping, more speculation, and higher prices on low supply high demand items.
The updated search feature is nice for the average player though.
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Hopefully the next feature pack will include a rework of rewards from adventuring. It’s nice that they made the most profitable aspect of the game more accessible and more efficient, but I’d rather them work on rewarding adventuring in an action mmo rpg.
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I wish the game itself was as generous/practical with it’s rewards.
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Gotta love a game that vastly out rewards pure dumb luck over actually playing it.
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If they had everything major done/polished…yeah sure by all means, but when they are focusing resources on inconsequential nuances instead of needed revisions and additions….I find it hard not to consider it pointless.
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The mini change will be nice even if it’ll add chances of lag since minis will be more commonly put out. (remember gw1 festivals)
The finisher change seems pointless. I really wish they would spend time and resources on meaningful changes/additions.
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I know this item was bugged for a while. Does anyone know if it ever got fixed?
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Don’t…….. With that same sum of money you could do something of much more consequence. Buy your mother something nice, your girlfriend?, boyfriend?, donate it to charity, buy a nice meal for friends, or anything of substance.
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That’s pretty sad…………
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They’d have to buff up the rewards. Heck I won’t do Shatty now. Idk why but for some reason it has consistently had some of the worst rewards for any of the world bosses.
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YES!!! PLEASE!!!
I’m so kittening sick of those stupid farmers killing everything with one hit in the human tutorial, ruining my game experience every single time I try to make a new character (why in the hell they can bypass the event that close the doors). Key farming is exactly what the Queensdale train used to be.
I want to PLAY the game, not sit there and see how this parasites kill everything with their stupids staff-guardian ruining the game for me (and those who want to PLAY the game) so they can get a desirable/exclusive reward without expending a single in-game coin/real-world money.
Hard to tell if this is sarcasm…
I know right. It doesn’t make very much since as in one sentence they say they are killing everything, but in the next they say they bypass them. I’m not exactly sure how it could ruin much of anything considering almost all of it is completed in personal instances.
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So for those that really enjoy wvw it’s perfectly fine b/c wvw is known for providing ample resources. Yep…can’t see any issues……
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Your trying to apply rl economic theory to a game which is an “econosphere”. Further that theory’s driving force is not strictly defined. Is a consumer economy mainly driven by consumption or production (rhetoric)?
So yes you are partially correct. I believe as it applies to this game, there are not always enough parallels present for certain aspects of rl theories to apply. In this case the lack of government consumption would be one condition to throw a bit of a monkey wrench in the need for such a variable distinction.
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Yeah it had nothing to do with anet adding a rare drop from said nodes and introducing an ascended back item with a extra dust feed item that requires ample amounts of the rare drop in question….
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Either they both have super annoying sounds. I have quip and wish I could turn the sounds off.
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I wouldn’t mind having Anet choose IF they are choosing from topics that are major concerns of the players. I would be very disappointed if they choose and something like LS season 2 or sPvP tournies gets picked.
That said maybe if the players voted on a list for ya’ll to choose from. There are pretty well documented topics to which players hope to be addressed.
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Oh btw b4 I forget who will be/has replacing/replaced Martin and Kate?
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So should I make a new thread called the precursor I want is too expensive.
I fail to understand the point of this discussion.
The whole point to this is that there’s nothing wrong with current Precursor prices. All Precursors have the same drop rate as other Precursors. One you can buy for 90 Gold, the other you can buy for 1,500 Gold. All the complaints about Anet not “fixing” the market come from people who don’t understand the market.
I call bs. Pretty sure everyone that has had any interaction with you on the forums knows the reason behind this thread. I am quite surprised it is still open considering the forum rules claim it isn’t allowed.
This. It is pretty obvious penguin is trolling, in his ‘special’ way. Hey guys!!!!! Trolling you now!!!! So obvious!!!!!
He even bumps his thread with troll posts.
Speak of the devil….lol
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For some reason I thought we already had a cdi on the formatting of cdi’s the 1st time round. Probably wrong..it’s late afterall
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Any inclination to what type of cdi ya’ll will start with?
(hopefully not a cdi on how communicate via a cdi…think I saw that mentioned somewhere…might be wrong)
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Imo they should disable dishonorable until they get the server issues resolved. It’s not the players fault they are getting dc’d multiple times due to the ddosing
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Looks like a very nice set-up, there are some excesses imo.
CPU…K version maybe?
CPU cooler……even with new bios for OC on H series….that is one pricy air cooler for a mild OC
MB….really have no issues besides a mild concern for crossfire potential down the road due to 1…pci 3.0×16 and 1….pci 2.0×4 (The PCIe x1_1, PCIe x1_2 slots share bandwidth with PCIe x16_2. The PCIe x16_2 slot runs at x2 mode as default.)
RAM…8 would be plenty and given the high price of RAM atm it would be a easy place to save some cash
PSU…you could easily use a 500-550w
That all aside…..if I’m not mistaken AMD is supposed to announce Tonga tomorrow. r9-285 and maybe the r9-285×. They are supposed to have more of a maxwell type efficiency. If considering these cards the PSU recommendation might change.
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