I wouldn’t open them yet. The additions to the gem store were not added like in the patch notes. It’s not definite that everything else was added either.
I know this thread has been necro’d but in the same vein of things the recent increase in drop rates of chaos of lyssa would, by JS’s reasoning, increase the price. Odd….wonder why they would do this believing it would increase the prices? Also looking at the tp it has dropped from 2500g to 550g…odd again.
So what does anyone here think of the disparity in wealth in the player populous? I’ve seen a lot of QQ on these forums and I just don’t know what to make of it? I started with nothing, and while I’ve been playing forever and a day I’ve kept my player wealth fairly low, distributed between new character after new character and what ever I happened to be enjoying at the moment. As soon as I start TRYING to make money again I seem to just rake it in.
Anyone else feel like your shift from poor to more was sudden? Or did you grind hard and long hours and sell your blood and soul on the TP till you got a break?
Here’s my take on this.
It’s called jealousy. We see it in the real world as well. Wake up on January 1 and read the news. Countless articles how a CEOs have already made your year’s salary in one day. Or how CEO pay is 400x larger on average compared to the minimum wage.
To which I say, who the kitten cares? They are getting paid that much because of their value to the company and their skills that the brought to the table. And of course, a little bit of luck.
Here in GW2, yes, I admit, this should be treated as a game, and not real life. I understand that.
But also understand that just because this is a game doesn’t mean that everything is handed upon log-in. If people want that, they should play a single player game and run some cheat codes.
People are jealous that there are others in game that are luckier and smarter than them, and they can’t stomach it. They want instant gratification at minimum loss/risk.
If you play 3 hours a day doing WvW or open world exploring, why in the world do you expect to earn as much as the person who farms 40 hours a week or does 3 hours of high intensive TP trading?
The only way you can ever have a situation where everyone earns the same amount of gold in the same amount of time is if there were fixed gold rewards for x hours dedicated across y activities. And if you miss those hours, they get banked like rest exp.
It’s a great concept – but at that point you are not playing an MMO that anyone enjoys. It would be a great game for those casual players who want all the nice bells and whistles upon log-in. But I’m afraid such a group of players is so small that any game tailored to them would be a loss before launch.
I believe this is a very arrogant view shared by many in this section of the forums.
Comparing 3 hours of casual play to 40 hours of grinding is not an honest assessment. Of course 1 hour of grinding should earn more than 1 hour of casual play, that’s not the issue. The issue is that the same levels of intensity are not even remotely balanced across various methods. If they were in the same ball park, then the point would be moot.
Let me explain “ball park” further…it’s like a bell curve scenario that excludes extreme outliers. There is a variance of lows and highs within a given context that keeps balance in check.
What we have with the trading post is a method outside of the ball park that’s heading down the road while everything else (for the most part) is contained within the walls.
It boils down to balance. Of course there will be deviation across methods and intensities, but having such an outlier when all others are relatively consistent is prejudicial to a mmo’s community (imo).
I’ve been working on a website that does a lot of gold-making calculations for you. I’ve been on the fence about making this public for a while. Until now, I’ve just told people who contact me directly. But I think at this point I would get more enjoyment from people appreciate something I made than making more gold. Also, you have to figure that maybe only 500 unique people will even see this thread, and only 20% of those will read this post, and 80% of those won’t care enough to even click the link, meaning that only 20 or so people would actually get there, much less do anything with it. It just seems a shame that we all do the same work independently. So here goes:
I’m told it’s not the easiest to understand what’s going on :P. I tend to try and fit as much info into as small a space as possible, so it makes sense to me, but confusing to someone not familiar with it. There’s help info on the bottom of each page. I recommend browsing it carefully and starting small.
It gets prices from gw2tp.com as they seem to be updated more frequently than spidy. also, the file that’s downloaded is much smaller and quicker to go through as it only has the item id and prices. The prices do need to be fetched manually – there’s a link for that. I could make that automatic, but it’s currently not used nearly enough to merit up-to-date data 24/7.
I still update it to clarify, adjust, add, etc. If you find errors or have a suggestion, let me know. Also, if you want to help: drop rate research with huge sample sizes is greatly appreciated (most needed would be bags, material promotion, and precursor forging).
Very nice and thank you! Mind if I share it with others?
Hi. I am considering building a mini-itx (significantly smaller than a node 304) system for specifically this game and was wondering if anyone had any experience running this on a Kaveri APU? I have a m-atx and and 2 atx systems which I use at 2 locations for it, but would like the ease of portability of something much smaller. If anyone has tried this and has any insight it would be much appreciated. Thanks for your time.
boss blitz dont have “tons and tons of health” unless you’re doing it wrong. In fact a party of 5 can effectively take a boss down.
I quite enjoy boss blitz btw.
This event is once again a proof that the average player is bad. A group of 5 can take any of the boss in 3 minutes . 6 good group of 10 can take all of them down in 2 minutes. Yet every server takes 1 hour to finish it unless it’s a well organized guild like TTS. (I see mesmer using Greatsword auto attack to kill turret at boom boom)
Along with that people don’t listen, it takes forever to organize. Don’t blame the event, blame the players.
I think it’s a great event but it’s not fit for game where we don’t have control over who is joining.
P.S. Actually let me clarify, I don’t think the average player is necessary bad, I think a lot of them just don’t care or are too stubborn to listen to others.
Actually makes me think that there is more of an issue with scaling than anything else.
There is also the bit that eventually prices will creep back up and those listed at 2k will sell for that 2k. Think of all the items players have sitting for sale because there is zero carrying costs outside of OC. Atm the listing fees for those items are not realized until either the items sell or are removed.
Imo there should be an associated carrying cost with storing items on the tp. In rl it is part of the reason why middlemen add value.
No, you can’t lose money you never had from an activity you never did.
You’re debating game economics but you don’t even know what opportunity cost is.
You can’t debate at all if you don’t understand the definition of ‘loss’.
NO one has ever lost money farming and selling their goods. The investment to farm is the lowest for any gold making activity, the return for selling goods is something more than this. Unless someone is an imbecile, the return on the goods farmed is greater than the investment. If anyone attempts to farm and loses money, I question their ability to play the game at all. This game is designed for people to make money farming because it is the fundamental entry point for making gold.
Wow………just wow………….
There were so many legitimate counters to that, but that was not one of them. Take a look what Smooth said right after you.
Unless ofc Anet modified drop rates and or item requirements to suit supply and demand levels to maintain a healthy economy w/o flippers and speculators.
I have to admit that it’s very disheartening. Knowing that it could be fixed so quickly makes me believe that they simply do not read the forums or the support tickets.
I guess I’ll just forgo reporting bugs/goldsellers/exploits from now on since it’s been shown to be a waste of time.
Promote bolts of jute to wool. 250 bolts jute 3g into 50-180 bolts of wool avg 5g per promotion. 1 skill point gives 10 philo stones = 5 promotions. So we have 15g into and 25g out, which atm translates into 10g per skill point.
During promoting it’s almost always significantly better to promote the REFINED version…..ie bolts, ingots, squares etc…
ah right sorry for that timely manner thingy
but my point still stays that it shouldnt be possible to shorten your work, time or whatever spent on getting those things by half or more just by smartly interacting with the tpand economy,
It is unfair that people buy a house! They should have to build it themselves!
Or food at the store
Or cars
Or (Insert anything here)
The TP is a player offering their goods/services to you for my goods/services.
This whole thread is a “I don’t know how to flip on the TP, so no one else should be able to!!!!” and it is a good read.
Does anyone remember what percent MF the buffs in Crown Pavilion gave and if it stacks with other high % boosters? Wondering if I should save all my pvp boxes till then.
Agreed. I ran into a well know mini game player (they know how it should work and how this is breaking the mode) who was knowingly using these. So players are knowingly doing this.
Pvp sigils are allowing players to break crab toss atm. When a player with the crab is killed via sigil swapping the game doesn’t recognize them dropping the crab, thus 2 crabs are created. I witnessed several players exploiting this even though they were obviously breaking the game mode by doing so.
Editing because it’s not only crab toss it’s all activity mini games. This includes: Keg Brawl, Sanctum Sprint, Crab Toss, and Southsun Survivor.
Wait he doesn’t test things in game, and yet argues validity?
That’s what the detractors usually say when they know I’m right, the math is right, etc. but they don’t want to admit they’re wrong. It’s the classic “I know math, logic, experience, and common sense all support your agument but I totally did this one thing this one time and got a different result” argument that Warlord really brought back into the scene lately. Also keep in mind that the same people were playing the ‘hurr math is for nerds" card when I argued in favor of DPS guardians, DPS ranger, DPS staff ele, DPS engie, etc. And I don’t think I’ve ever been wrong on any major point.
That said, Phalanx warrior is still decent for pugs even at 15 might although you’ll probably still want to consider if it’s really worth the DPS loss. The overall boost is quite significant but the personal DPS goes to utter crap and there’s no guarantee that the other pugs are even doing any damage worth boosting. Double of nothing is still nothing.
If you’re not willing to test in game very simply put you’re not worth discussing with. Everyone knows numbers (yours are deficient btw) are only a portion and cannot comprise validity w/o real testing to back them up. It’s the way things work in reality. I bid you adios.
Forceful Greatsword triggers Phalanx Strength for one stack of might for six seconds. A GS rotation should look approximately like 2 GS chains > HB > WWA > run back for an average of 6 + 9 + 4 = 19 hits every 10 seconds. Let’s round that up to 20 per 10 seconds and you get 2 hits per second. At 50% critical hit chance that means you get, on average, one crit per second. That equates to one proc of Phalanx Strength per second for 6 seconds, or a sustained 6 stacks. For Great Justice is 3 stacks of might for 25 seconds on a 25 second CD = 3 stacks sustained. PS gives an extra 3 stacks for 6 seconds = 3 × 6 /25 = .72 stacks average. All together: 6 + 3 + .72 = 9.72 stacks of might.
Add in boon duration and Strength runes = +75% might duration. 9.72 × 1.75 =
~17 stacks of might, BUT:
- PS through FGJ only gives might for about 10 seconds. That’s 10 seconds where you have +3 might, 25 without.
- FGJ only gives 3 stacks of might from the start and won’t overlap until 25 seconds in.
So in reality you’re looking at closer to 11 stacks of might for most of the fight, unless you burn your super-long-cooldown elite or the fight’s been dragging on a while.
I guess this is where you guys claim that math is for nerds and you don’t believe in it until I make a video of a warrior not getting 25 stacks of might etc. You know, same old deal? Or should we just skip to the part where I turn out to be right as always?
What? Where are you getting 50% crit? Are you forgetting things, like banners, fgj, sor, and bs? Also CLEAVING plays a massive role.
It’s very important to have a Guardian, even if you don’t want one as your main. That way, you will never have to rely on PUG Guardians to save your kitten with timed aegis and reflects while running an AH build, because you’re in control of that.
Both Warrior & Ele are absolutely necessary in every good group, because of the offensive support from Warrior, coupled with very fair damage, and ridiculous DPS from an Ele even without the Fiery Exploit Sword.
Either of those 3, really, rest is just a mishmash and changes depends where you are.
On the other hand, for bad groups, I think an engineer actually boosts party DPS more than a Phalanx warrior does. We’re looking at like 10-15 stacks of might from Phalanx from an pug warrior with Forceful Greatsword, and incidental might and vuln, versus 6-12 stacks of might and between 15-25 stacks of vuln from a support-specced engie (i.e. Giver’s weapons and condition duration food).
It’s hard to quantify it because pugs are all over the place but my engie pug runs definitely seem to go faster in general. My slowest pug runs are typically with a mesmer since there’s no boon sharing going on at all usually, but at the same time those are really safe and AFK-proof too.
Phalanx is very easy 25 might in a matter of a few seconds. If anyone can’t attain it something is seriously wrong.
All content does guarantee a Precursor. You just need to do enough content for that guarantee.
In no possible way is this factual.
Of course it is. You earn gold doing content, you buy precursors with gold. Therefore, you can get a precursor if you do enough content. Is your belief so unrelenting you won’t even acknowledge truth?
so you need to be earning enough gold to beat inflation,
So you don’t think the average person’s earning can beat inflation? Based on your only speculation of course …. I’m going to pull you back to reality.
Anet understands that the game’s success requires the TP to work for everyone. As we have already seen numerous times, we know they will step in when they have to make corrections and the sum of these things affects the factors that influence inflation.
So yes what I said is true because the success of the game depends on Anet having some oversight on the economy, and this includes inflation.
Here’s the problem. You claimed absolutes. “All content” and “guarantee”. Does all content guarantee one?
Well first we need to look at what “all content” encompasses. All being an absolute ecompasses every possible bit of content the game has to offer. This includes things like trading as well things such as roleplaying. I think you can see where I am going with this. Things like averages do not matter in this context.
Odd when I read it, it reads that they are saying that gold earnings are in contrast to precursors “inflation”. That would be contrary to “general economic inflation”. Also odd that the OP didn’t post any further to elaborate on his or her intention. So I find your branding of the thread’s intention to what you want it to be nothing more than that.
Why is this thread titled ‘inflation’? Does the OP even know what this term means? Prices are rising due to the nature of supply vs. demand. Inflation has absolutely NOTHING to due with supply/demand.
“Inflation” used in the thread title is fine. There are multiple definitions for "inflation, several of which fit well into the title and it’s composition.
