Guild Wars 2

^is that staff or mace? hammer?

Do you use apothecary for that?

I don’t take EM for the might, I take it for the AH procs.

Does anyone have a real build that doesn’t revolve around Empowering Might and Altruistic Healing?

Dhuumfire is fine… it’s really kind of a run-of-the-mill skill.

…but combined with fear it gets stupidly OP. Thief level of OP.

Fear needs to be nerfed into the ground.

Badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, badges, BAAADGES! BAAADGES!

I use this on my warrior with T1 and T2 cultural stuff for sylvari, and it’s color pallet is defiantly off.

When I stand in the shade it’s a good deal darker that the rest of my gear.

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

Frost Breeze, Strawberry Breeze and Rose Breeze work great together.

https://dviw3bl0enbyw.cloudfront.net/uploads/forum_attachment/file/85741/Hurak_Frostheart_13.jpg

heh… heh… heh…
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I noticed that too, and went around LA measuring people’s swords when they pulled them out…

….my polling has led me to conclude that the average length of a great sword is 6 inches.

A month from now you’ll be tired of looking at it, so pick a toon with a yellow/blueish color scheme and pick whatever weapon they use.

The staff looks epic on my mage… horrid on my guard and mesmer. /shrug.

FA was camping cliffside….

No.. we were just bored.

…and let’s see, kainees needed 2 trebs from gari. 2-3 in the field. 2 at your citadel (reported) and 2 at the supply camp. Plus a zoom-hack arrow cart, and a ballista to chase off less than 20 of us “camping” cliffside.

^^yeah, but the first condition removed (assuming it isn’t their condition removing stealth giving heal skill) is going to be bleeding, like 90% of the time…

you may force them to stealth a second time, but at that point they don’t need to cleanse the conditions… they will have mostly wore off on their own during the second stealth.

…and right now, in the thief forums, they are whining about not having enough condition removal.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Plague Signet is incredibly stupid.

I fixed that for you

Pistol #2 skill slot is nearly useless… perfect for a new skill makeover

Is this thread for real?

Every time the thief stealths you can assume they’ve wiped all the conditions they had.

…there is no cooldown on it, if they’ve spec’d for it.

You can assume that any bleeds from marks, that they step on while stealthed, will be instantly cleansed as well.

In other words, if the thief is built for stealth and you’re built for conditions, it’s basically a hopeless situation.

On the bright side, no one else can kill a f’n thief either.

^look I know at times it may feel like spawn camping, but it’s not.

I’m not defending the matching system, or saying that it can’t be cruel, but there was a lot of effort and thought put into not griefing our opponents yesterday.

Frankly there wasn’t a whole lot for us to do except flip keeps, and if we wanted to spawn camp, we could have camped your entire server, while a ninja team flipped everything on the map.

If you have a any ideas on how to make it more fun for your server this week, I’m all ears. The last thing I, or my server, wants is to not have anyone to play against.

Hey! I can’t speak for the goonies, but FA is one of the nicest bunch of schlubs you could hope to fight when outnumbered.

I’ve been in EB a lot today. Did we take your keeps? Yes. Did we let you recap your keeps? Yes!

I know it sucks being outnumbered, and you have no chance to win, but you get lots of exp, and ranks, capping keeps, and after capping your keep, we leave you alone. We go cap goonies, giving you plenty of time to retake your keep.

There are a lot of servers that would spawn camp you till you all rage quit, and we have been more than fair, zerging back and forth, so not to grief anyone too much.

I use 20-0-0-20-30…

…the 0-0-0-20-30 part of it, is not optional, in-my-humble-opinion

I like 20 in fire for the shorter cooldowns and 10% more damage, I mostly use fire for damage.

A quick switch to water, and a dodge roll, will do some nice healing when it’s needed.

Glyph of storms in earth attunement will create a nice aoe blind for harder pulls.

If you want to heal more use clerics, if you want more dps use zerkers, both work just fine, just play to your strengths.

A full zerker D/D build spamming Vapor Blade Build has always intrigued me, but I’ve never been able to make it work… so I just stick to using staves.

The more things change….

Contrary to the non-sense they post on the guardian forums about how easy it is to beat thieves, I have found guardians to be easy pickings for my thief, and when i play my guard I usually just rage quit.

Every inch of game design gives massive advantages to burst thieves.

Fortunately for me, my entire server has given up, and just become a giant zergball.

When someone calls out “thieves attacking camp” I just ignore them. The people that respond will trickle in, a few at a time, like lambs to the slaughter.

It’s better not to care. The devs sure don’t.

elixirgun (traited) > necros

super elixir will clear off the conditions, and then it’s all about the traits.

The increased range trait for elixirgun is bugged (no surprise) and it increases the duration of the cripple from the #2 skill. Add in the 20% faster recharge on skills, and you can really put a hurting on some people, with permanent cripple/weakness/bleeding.

The downside of the elixirgun is it’s poor damage output. If they have decent regen, you’ll never beat them.

But necros don’t have squat for regen, unless they are using their pet, and if they are… give up, no one can beat a pet necro solo.

SO…. engis… not so bad anymore.

Or maybe the other classes have been nerfed down to our level …at least we aren’t necros.

Anyway….

How do you all go about fighting thieves in WvW? …and I’m not talking about pistols or swords, I mean the perm stealth ones that are capable of landing 7-10k crits on 3k armor.

..if you don’t think that’s possible, that’s fine, I’m not here to argue about that. On my server, a thief that lands a backstab for less than 5k gets laughed at in TS.

So yeah, I tend to use the bomb kit to chase them off me. With 18k health I have about a 50/50 chance of living long enough to dodge and switch to it; I consider that pretty good, since a few 2-3k bombs will make them run away… but I don’t wanna use the bomb kit.

Id rather use the flamethrower/elixirgun/pistols, but I can’t seem to live without some melee range goodness.. and that means bomb kit with the larger explosion trait.

Ahhhhh! It seems that every kit is designed to do one thing only, needs at least one, usually two traits to be useful, and creates traiting conflicts with other kits.

…so complicated.

I think mesmers are pretty horrid on their own.

Thieves have the potential to be good in all areas of the game, but because the backstab builds are so stupidly overpowered, everyone use one, which severely limits your character in every other aspect.

I really liked the way you handled this; keeping the results secret till the end.

I did:
Mesmer
Thief
Necro (conditions, ’cause they never last any time at all)
Necro (conditions)
..and then I said necro again, because I was on a roll.

…but what I really found interesting was how it never even occured to me that there was a ranger class to vote for.

That’s how dead the ranger class is to me, I don’t even remember to vote for them when asked what the worst class is.

For-the-love-of-god, Anet, give people the ability to store away those dull, boring, uninspired pets.

go to the mists, and test anything

Why would anyone use a flame thrower for condition damage? After hitting them 10 times, you do 1 tick of burning on the last hit…

The elixir gun, on the other hand, can cripple/bleed a lot of classes to death, while giving you quite a bit of the lasting power needed to win an attrition fight.

For just straight up condition damage, grenades, and pistols are nice.

I’d do pistols/elixirgun, since they share a lot of traits.

My latest 80 is a mesmer, and leveling him was torture.

Low level mesmers always have been horrid to play, but after the patch that buffed krait a few months back, I had to skip large portions of the game.

Even yesterday my engineer had to run from a Krait boss at the southern hylek camp in sparkfly fen. She summoned 6 adds to protect herself. >_<

So yeah, it’s harder. Krait areas are much harder.

Roll with the zergs….

Anet has no intention of changing anything regarding the thief class, and if you make a good argument against the class, they will delete you post and give an infraction for arguing in favor of a class being nerfed.

In large scale fights, a staff ele is a thing of beauty.

Mass cripple, mass chill, mass stun, mass aoe damage, mass aoe bleeds, mass healing, mass condition removal, and when you get in trouble, range reflecting shields and mist form.

Add in the fire fields for might buffs, the air fields for swiftness and the water fields for healing.

What more could you want?

Mesmers have some tricks. Ranged-attack reflecting domes, Temporal Curtain, aoe damage dealing phantasms, Temporal Curtain, portals, Temporal Curtain, group invisibility skills, Temporal Curtain….

…Did I mention Temporal Curtain? As skills go that one is so fun it should be illegal.

Necros… friends-don’t-let-friends roll necro. There’s numerous reasons why it’s one of the least played classes. First reason is that condition damage is almost worthless in zerg fights.

If you get four ticks of damage on five people you did maybe 600 damage to each person, and with all the condition cleansing going on that’s about all you can hope for.

Other classes routinely do aoe damage ranging from 1000(ele fireball)-7000(warrior arrow bombs) Yeah the mage is spammable and the warrior has an 8-10 second cooldown… but in comparison the necros Mark of Blood has a 4 second cooldown when traited… for 600 whole damage… realistically..

If the other team drops rams on your gate, all you can do is stand there looking stupid. Your conditions will do no damage, and your wells are mostly useless if spec’d for condition damage. The players on the other side of the door will be sitting in water fields.. so any marks you put on the door will be meaningless

You can do a power build, but power necros are basically thieves without stealth.

….and the last patch will have no real impact on the sad state of necros.

I could name 20 different ways I’d like to see the thief nerfed

shortbow range wasn’t one of them

I don’t see where much of anything changed.

condition necros still can’t kill siege, and the new condition is useless.

when a thief uses his dagger storm against a group, he gains stability, he reflects all ranged damage, he can survive it. when a necro uses the new torment, it’s instantly disrupted, the condition is cleansed, and the necro is slaughtered for getting too close to a zerg.

engineers are slightly better… but not enough to make a person want to play one.

guards are still gawd-awful slow

warriors 10 point defense trait is almost completely wasted; the traits are horrid

so except for the 900 range on shortbow for thieves (good lord, anet) nothing game changing happened

That is the first thing, related to the engineer, that has made me smile in months.

Right now, the devs are balancing everything around spvp, and most people don’t care about spvp.

WvW is still rather popular, at least on my server. People that did other things have mostly quit. Fractals are still popular, so there are those too.

but if you want honest feedback, ask on a forum that anet doesn’t monitor; speech isn’t exactly free around here.

So I have been informed that:

I am not allowed to post videos showing exploits.

^/bug /report botter /report verbal abuse /report anything else on the list

If the notes are accurate then it doesn’t matter, because no one will ever play an engineer anyway.

even now it’s basically a spvp only class

^ yeah that’s standard thief gameplay, and just what I would do on mine.

but the stuff I’ve been seeing today… there’s no way for a person to legitimately to do the stuff they’ve been doing.

^ nah…. just annoying

If you were who i think you were, you sheltered behind the supply station and were never seen again

They seem real enough to me…. all my engineer needed was for them to roll back the last patch’s nerfs to kit refinement/elixir gun, and I’d be happy.

I’m not happy.

Edit: ^ “(healing turret was ripped apart on these boards and now it’s one of our best options)”

healing turret sucks, it’s water field sucks, and it’s a sad attempt to compensate for the KR/elixirgun nerf

Asudementio.8526:

Ezeriel.9574:

Wow.. TC really needs to clean up their server.

I have never seen so many port hackers. In fact, if they weren’t port hacking into our bases to kill our siege, they were zoom hacking with carts.

All day.. non stop…

…oh the joy of seeing a thief, watching him disappear, and then watching your ballistas die, one after another, after another. /sigh

Hi, i get the feeling you were responding to me on FA bl just a little while ago. I didn’t port hack i ran in through the zerg and hopped cliffs over to the SE outer. From there i kept running to kill ballistas.

Were you able to kill the ballistas while 4 of us stood there watching it die?

I could drop aoes on it, didn’t matter. It just died. There’s a pair of mesmers out there too… no guild tags… no nothing.. they just go poof and they’re gone, and then like 30-40 seconds later you catch another glimpse of them, and then they’re gone.

..and then you see them in your lords room killing carts without agro’ing guards, and as soon as you click on ’em poof gone…..

I really need to learn how to use fraps…

Wow.. TC really needs to clean up their server.

I have never seen so many port hackers. In fact, if they weren’t port hacking into our bases to kill our siege, they were zoom hacking with carts.

All day.. non stop…

…oh the joy of seeing a thief, watching him disappear, and then watching your ballistas die, one after another, after another. /sigh

The T3 human armor is the only decent looking male armor I’ve seen, and I rolled sylvari /cry

The order of whispers gave me a backless hoop-skirt….. OMFG! Male armor! backless dress! Fail Anet! Shame! Shame on you!

Really? ‘cause with 3374 armor I still routinely get backstabbed for 9-11k, after that I may get off a dodge roll or two, but the fight’s basically over as long as he can just cloak ‘n dagger and then backstab me again. Since I’m a guardian, I can’t kite him, I have to land hits to heal, and that’s suicide.

It’s also not uncommon to get a second backstab from a second thief working in tandem from with the first one, and die instantly.

I keep logging onto my guardian. I do this, because people just can’t stop talking about how great they are.

I then log into WvW and get stomped.

I don’t get it….

On my warrior, I get Healing Signet, Adrenal Health, Regen Banners, some regen food, and I can charge into battle, and feel like a god among men.

100blades is no joke in zerg pvp, and I can down people three at a time when they try to rez someone. I can’t be kited with my longbow, and the #3 blast is devastation from above.

On my guardian, I’m late to the show most of the time, because they are so godawful slow. If I don’t get ganked by a thief on my way to the battlefront, the first person with burst, that targets me, has about a 70% chance of sending me back to the waypoint.

What good is 30% damage reduced from protection (for only a few seconds) when you have no health to begin with? …and where is their amazing healing?

I honestly don’t get it, and I will continue to happily log onto my banner warrior.

Constructive? You call telling a new player to roll an engineer constructive?

They are, without a doubt, the worst class in the game. There is a reason why no one plays them, or wants one in their group.

Every viable build the engineer has ever had, has been nerfed. The engineer has seen nothing but nerfs since the first day the game was released.

The OP want’s an engineer for support, and that’s just wrong. If he wants a healing/support class, a banner warrior, an ele that can find his water attunement button, a mesmer with regen giving phantasms, a thief with an offhand pistol, even a necro spamming Mark of Blood would be better than an engineer.

Your build is a standard build for a hammer user, and gets some mileage with a greatsword, but I would recommend something along the lines of 30-0-0-20-20

I find Absolute Resolution more to my liking, because there are times when you just can’t attack, and in those times empowering might and altruistic healing are useless.

I also find Zealous Blade nice healing 90% of the time. The times I wish it was more, AH/EM wouldn’t help me much either, unless you want the option to heal with your staff #4 skill.

If you want to do that, a 30-0-30-10-0 build gives the Zealous Blade heals, and every third hit with greatsword gives might, so that’s a small AH heal, and when you are in trouble you can still staff heal yourself to full…

There are people in the world that want to be helpful, but they just can’t because they have become too jaded… I am one of those people…

Sounds like a good combo, the ranger can tank, the guardian can support him, and the engineer can contemplate the joys of rectal warts; surely they must be more fun than playing an engineer.

Edit: unless the patch at the end of june has a major buff for engineers; a warrior, ele, mesmer, or even a thief would be better in the longrun…

….as for leveling, there is no set advice. A guy with 20 points to spend will go one way with one weapon, but at 30 points he’ll go a different way with something else. Just keep your gear up to date; blues are cheap and good enough.

“I’m gonna put it all on meep” should be a thing

I can only imagine how much money people have lost during this event

Aeolus.3615:

Quoting Ezeriel.9574
“(…)I remember it like it was yesterday, because it was yesterday. My guard with 3340 armor took a 12k+ killshot.(…)”

That is the new trait line on warrior giving them 3% to 6% more damage per boon, saw a guardian being one hitted with that one and he runs over 15k hp, problem is he poped all boons at that momment, i still need to find a uber sniping to build my warrior, its good to kill key guardians on groups 20+ VS 20+. that is anet wanting to avoid “sturdy” classes.

OP can you post your stats here?

let’s see… 3374 armor, 14,909 life, 2796 power, 50% crit, 285 healing, 0-0-30-20-20 spec

…but I change it every day or two, or I just go back to any other class, I have all but mesmer to 80.

I log onto my guard and feel like Ed Gruberman… I just wanna start thrashing bozos, and then I log to WvW and get a boot to the head.