Guild Wars 2

Hello Seigfried,

Thanks for taking the time to reply to my post Laylyn.

Btw, Laylyn’s one of the server leaders from BG who’s really well respected from all alike. She works hard to make BG a better community. And she does make sense. Would kindly suggest that you be less sarcastic and antagonistic.

FW

Seigfried.5938:

Laylyn.6018:

What Laylyn Wrote

Yes, you know your history. Other than the ‘theoretical’ matchups, do you have any thing solid to add? Until then I am going to enjoy gw2 on BG.

(Note: edited the post because I double checked my files on server numbers over the 6+ months)

Hello Laylyn,

I’ll be straight with you as much as I can, the training that the guilds are going through doesn’t preclude them from attacking/defending objectives. I cannot comment directly on SOR NA and EU. But here are a few points:

1a. About NYS disappearing 2 weeks before IRON came – it was a strange lag that affected them. Some of them kept teleporting in front of me, I saw this happening. So the numbers were cut down when some of them (~5-8) left WvW till the lag disappeared.

1b. Also, the 2 weeks before IRON came, BG had received WM, MEOW and Kaineng WvW militia. WM proceeded to dominate EU time with PPT gains during those 2 weeks. Magikarp confirmed this in my public discussion with him.

2. I have data on the numbers how BG and SOR are fielding but I will not publish that.

3. AFS numbers are not in full force in the last 4-5 weeks as guild. I don’t have complete information on their situation.

4. SEA SOR WvW guilds are still fighting as hard as possible but no overtime. Do note that both servers have agreed on some level that a 100-150ppt is a population issue. The size of SEA SOR has been reverted to Feb-Mar 2013 numbers with a 10-20% variance. SOR militia numbers have gone down while BG militia have increased, this was expected, we have no issues with that. AFAIK, SOR SEA morale is same as in Feb 2013.

5. Btw, the training is done in WvW. The guilds are gearing up and practicing under new commanders. I can’t tell you exactly what sort of training it is but it’s WvW focused so the numbers are still there at least for OCN and SEA.

6. Lastly, I heard that MEOW’s GL got his computer fixed up (or a new one) and he’s back in force with MEOW, welcome back to WvW.

FW

Laylyn.6018:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Deffy,

I am sorry that you didn’t get word about this. As mentioned, it was in our TS message of the day since reset. The commanders have also been yelling out in map chat about training. (Of course it doesn’t mean that we don’t siege up our keeps/towers). PM me in game and I’ll reimburse you for your gold?

FW

deffy.1320:

Apparently guilds on SOR are on guild training, so told not playing for points, wish someone had told me before i wasted several gold or more, run yaks for hours, upgrade supply camps/towers, fill them with siege, you just lost a supply runner.

i can’t be bothered either.

Such events modify the score, since SoR is purposefully not playing at full strength. A similar event event happened the week before IRON transferred on when NYS went on a two week break and modified your SEA turn out. The score modified the appearance of the whole match that week, which didn’t hurt your recruiting the week following.

Guilds and servers have a right to do this. However, you should be aware, this is the core of why people say SoR keeps underplaying while recruiting.

Apparently, from what you are saying, it has been server policy since the beginning of this week. It has been mentioned on SoR’s ts. It has been broadcast in map chat.

I remain convinced you had the talent and the manpower to take T1 Green when AFS transferred on, which was long before IRON. That harder road of striving for that win had been the core of what was once an attempt to balance 6-9 competitive servers, with limits especially in Oceanic players. Coverage holes were the balancing factor.

SoR hasn’t been playing at full strength as a matter of server policy this week. Yet, it has repeatedly played the outnumbered card on the forums. It kind of makes the complaining in this thread by your server a special kind of farce to some of us. Though, I doubt most people took those server policies into account in the heat of the moment while posting those complaints.

It is also well worth mentioning DB played far stronger this week than SoR was anticipating, which also affected the score. If I’m, remembering correctly, a DB player put it to mean about 15k of BG’s current lead earlier in this thread. 20k would probably be closer to the truth.

My 2 cents. Your mileage may vary.

/salute

Hello MaLeVoLenT,

I’ll take your word that you are not trolling.

The numbers for SOR Oceanic and SEA are pretty much about the same for the last 2-3 weeks. Nothing has changed. Our SEA is hitting about 1.5-1.9 maps worth of folks as you can see from PPT, which hasn’t changed much from Feb 2013, deviation is probably ~10.5%.

I am not sure if you play in SEA time but I have Korean friends telling me that Jang Gun (who has his own following of militia due to his charisma) and WM are in resurgence for the last 2 weeks. Really happy to see that. /salute.

On that note, I think it’s not unusual to see large swings in population on win/lose because there are 2 main types of players in WvW, the WvWers and PvX. The WvWers will turn out night after night but the PvX largely plays with reward/time ratio in mind. If I was PvX, I would get better returns in PvE if the server is getting pummeled, it’s common sense. For the record, I don’t hate PvXers, different folks have different priorities.

FW

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

Seriously no trolling intended. SoR is ok right? This is just an abnormal week? I wouldn’t want to see our competition go down the kittenter.

Hello Deffy,

I am sorry that you didn’t get word about this. As mentioned, it was in our TS message of the day since reset. The commanders have also been yelling out in map chat about training. (Of course it doesn’t mean that we don’t siege up our keeps/towers). PM me in game and I’ll reimburse you for your gold?

FW

deffy.1320:

Apparently guilds on SOR are on guild training, so told not playing for points, wish someone had told me before i wasted several gold or more, run yaks for hours, upgrade supply camps/towers, fill them with siege, you just lost a supply runner.

i can’t be bothered either.

Gentlemen,

What we have now is a full blown arms race between BG and SOR.

The enmity, distrust and hate between both servers have gone far and deep. In the last 5 months, I’ve had a senior Merc commander/leader tell me how SOR folks were slamming and insulting him via PMs. SOR also has received it’s fair share of hate PMs, etc. The list goes on, tit for tat, etc. There is no end to this.

Like in the real world, the server leaders from will not trust each other to have a ‘fair’ number to deal with. The outcome is simple, each server will continue to mud sling, chest thump and accuse each other of having ‘unfair’ numbers and continue to bring in WvW guilds into their fold. There is also no end to this.

If only we could fight like gentlemen, as warriors of old with honor and integrity. Alas, I think it may be impossible.

FW

Kaidengaran.3528:

SOR, stop complaining about coverage. You have NA/EU coverage stacked, we have OC/SEA stacked….it balances out.

Doomdesire.9365:

Also interesting read here, if you refuse to believe anything I say because I’m from SoR.

Hello Cirus,

As some of the folks have mentioned, it’s a motley crew of late night NA folks who are drunk (this I have verified), night shifters, insomniacs, past NA times. The numbers fluctuate. There isn’t an all-call status in SOR, most play for whatever time they like, mostly <4-6hours. So the numbers fluctuate quite a bit, from 20+ to 30+ depending.

But as one of the prominent SOR commanders have mentioned, if people play for 12 hours or more, they deserve to win the PPT. /tipshat

edited: I read SEA as OCN. My apologies, redid the numbers.

FW

Cirus.5748:

I have another question, do some of SoR’s NA guilds like to put in over time during some SEA nights? Sometimes we will see 10-20 of an NA guild running during SEA time. For some reason people on this forum like to use “over time” as an insult, but I believe it’s a compliment as it shows that they are dedicated and are willing to fight hard for their server.

Hello Cirus,

For the record I concur with Cirus, the queue on 4 BLs for BG were for one particular night on reset weekend, not all nights in the week.

About the 60+ turnout on SOR BLs, I counted the rough numbers every night ever since stepping into WvW in Sept12 (SBI, KN, SOR) as I am very keen on observing trends.

When I came to SOR from Kaineng in February 2013 and played during SEA time. JQ was focusing on SOR quite frequently and it not unusual to hit 90-130+ PPT nightly. SOR SEA was comprised of hardcore WvW guilds + WvW folks + low % of PvE, PvXs. It wasn’t unusual for SOR SEA to defend EB keep + 4 towers + Garrison and lose everything else. SONG + AFS arrived about 2-4 months down the road and boosted the numbers somewhat along with the proportionate increase in PvE, PvX militia.

When SOR was on No. 1 spot recently, the numbers increased exponentially. I observed the increase was due to PvE guilds along with folks we don’t normally see in WvW. I wasn’t surprised, this happened on 2 previous servers that I was in, SBI and Kaineng. This is not unusual, success begat success, PvE folks look for a strong reward/time ratio and a No. 1 position gives a strong reward/time ratio.

As Mr Titan has posted, there are also folks who will transfer over to a winning server. All things considered this is their game and they play it the way they want to, I have no ill will towards them. I wouldn’t call them fairweathers, it’s negative, derogatory and unnecessary. This is a game after all, and if they don’t find it relaxing to fight larger forces, then they will do what feels like fun for them. According to statistics, baring anomalies, BG will be No. 1 server for at least 4 weeks, primarily due to having the strongest Oceanic + SEA strength vs all the rest of the servers.

Hence, the turnout for SOR SEA is mostly the WvW folks who don’t mind low reward/time ratio atm, it’s about the same number in February + the WvW guilds that moved over.

I hope this is clear.

Have a good week,
FW

Cirus.5748:

Jahn.7019:

BG queues all 4 maps regularly during SEA.

That’s from your own servermates.

This was just another day for BG.

I don’t think anyone has ever said that BG regularly queues all 4 maps during SEA.

I did say a couple of weeks ago that sometimes it can happen during the weekdays, but it’s not often. I play during SEA almost every night and I’ve experienced all 4 map queues that have occurred around 5 times during the last 2 months. So you can say that it happens one night every ~ 2 weeks on average.

I often have to change maps every 20 minutes, so I know how full the maps are, on a regular night we’ll have 1 or 2 borderlands that are either empty or can fit a float team of 40+ people in them.

The amount of people during BG SEA depends on how many PvX guilds are playing, some of these guilds tag up 1-3 times a week, sometimes they don’t tag up at all.

I have also observed a few times of SoR being capable of fielding forces of 60+ people in 3 maps during oceanic and past primetime SEA. Why this doesn’t happen every night? Perhaps someone with an unbiased viewpoint could explain it to me.

Dearest Brother Letoll,

There were a tonnes of other folks besides TW, credit where credit is due.

FW

LetoII.3782:

shortcake.8659:

LetoII.3782:

Hey BG, riddle time!
Whats solid blue and once belonged to you?

sor borderlands prob.

CORRECT!
Any borderland TW sets foot in is indeed SoR’s

Hello Clockradio,

Just for clarification, I believe Kiltor was asking “What’s the complaint?” with regards to the post above his. I was wondering the same myself too.

@ Eviator – The DB strategy is nonetheless interesting. Due to the intense competition with BG/JQ/SOR in NA prime, the commanders use game theory quite a bit to push a 2v1 as much as possible. Faced with DB type of defense/attack, the BG/SOR commanders will have to adapt their short and long term strats accordingly.

FW

Clockradio.3257:

Kiltor.9362:

So. where is the complaint?

If you’re specifically looking for matchup complaints, I’d wait a day or so when people get frustrated with the matchup.

If you’re just looking for complaints I would recommend every other part of this forum.

To Tarkus and BG, congrats for this week. Impressive Oceanic & Sea pushes.

FW

Hello Pot,

I think he was using PPT as a point of reference, not as a complaint. I believe that most of the forum posters from all 3 servers have stated once a server goes below 100-150 PPT for 2-3 consecutive hours it’s pretty much about population issues.

That said, we have some United Korea [KOR] guildies here from Kaineng and I think they are still in touch with Koreans on BG. We also have Korean folks in [Saty] who have friends in BG. They should be able to verify the numbers.

I’ll admit that it’s pretty tough fight most of the time but we try out best. Morale is surprisingly good, what’s left are the hardcore wvwers are looking for a fight and practicing open field maneuvers, we have to find our fun.

Do note that I am trying to give as truthful a report as possible but do verify with the rest of your BG Korean server mates who are in touch with folks over here in SOR. I’ll leave it here and not engage in a you-said-i-said.

@oxide, pardon me but it’s ‘morale’ not ‘moral’. I’m a parent and it’s very hard not for me to be a grammar kitten, but I do mean it for the for you. As a heongnim, I can’t not help.

@SOR NA, OCN and EU, don’t worry too much about SOR SEA, we will find our fights and push on. We will deal with it.

Good hunting all & have a good weekend,
FW

pot.6805:

morrolan.9608:

GivaBack.9328:

I agree with the ATM representative that SoR has a bigger SEA presence than JQ, I have heard as much from some of the SEA BG folks.

So why do SOR tick under 100 in SEA then? We’ve done it 4 times this week and 3 times last week when ATM are on.

SoR has been telling us for 10 months they don’t care about PPT and only da fightzzz so again why does PPT matter?

Disclaimer: I am not complaining about 2v1, not playing for sympathy, etc. Just stating my observations & facts.

Hello Cicero,

JQ SEA isn’t exactly PvDooring. SOR SEA can fill about 1.5-1.9 maps at full strength. But when focused hard by 2 servers consecutively everynight, it’s a very very tough fight.

Faced with attrition in JQ NA, this is the best pragmatic option JQ SEA has, by hitting SOR ’s weakest link, they are playing the ultimate strategic game, the game of morale.

Morale is key for both WvW guilds and PvX folks. When focused, losing key keeps and having 50-100ppt, the PvX folks will move out of WvW pretty quickly. Next will be the WvW guilds, fighting under low ppt is extremely difficult and it requires a different mindset to operate under that kind of pressure. JQ SEA wants to break SOR SEA. What JQ is doing might not be honorable, but this is one of the last few options they have.

FW

Cicero.3492:

Aran.8659:

“This is from a ATM commander: “And those who didn’t get to see my post, right now SEA time only left ATM, FOO (I believe is coming back) and GE as the main forces and we are trying to break SOR’s SEA morale by washing away all their tier 3 keeps if possible and let their kitteny EU forces feel the pinch. We do not know whether it will work or not but we do know we are having so much fun doing that. So bear with us guys, we will continue that until either major WVW guilds joined us or make SOR break up. This is how we did to SOS and hopefully it will work on SOR.”

SOR I look forward to watching you guys crash and burn

So I am confused here, what you are trying to say is that in order to get more guilds to join you, you have to PvDoor more? And that PvDoor is fun?

Hello Cirus,

I think every server has its moments like that, short term PPT gain vs long term strategic play. It’s pretty difficult even for experienced commanders to make a decision on the spot based on those factors.

FW

Cirus.5748:

Mance.5640:

In summation: You had become an annoyance to SG/Pro and the SoR map zerg as we were having a jolly time bashing each other.

Sounds like very foolish play from Blackgate in that situation

Hello JoePhuket,

Nothing personal but I disagree with you. Looking at the ratings and ppt gain, etc JQ is still pretty much a T1 server. I believe Jedbacca is still doing his best to organize things and JQ SEA is still very potent. Their militia is also top notch exDaoc folks. They might be in 3rd place but they are definitely T1 in size and coverage.

FW

JoePhuket.8045:

Can i ask all sor and bg to help farm cof for the whole JQ server to transfer to TC? Right now jq is so dead third and its not even fun 3way fights for first anymore. Imnot trying to insult JQ or anything but the current T1 is not fun when 1 server cant do kitten and outmanned. I am from BG but TC merge with JQ sounds awesome and will give us more fun to the game imo. Right now JQ cant compete with both BG and SoR so its kinda 1v1+random all the time. If money is the problem then both BG and SoR might be able to help becaue we want 3ways fight 24/7 right?

Hello Tarkus,

Noted, thank you for your sensibility and tenacity. I know now why you have so much respect as the chief commander and tactician of BG/Merc. /salute. See you on the battlefield.

FW

Tarkus.4109:

oxide.8324:

Fannwong.3059:

Please don’t get me wrong, am seriously asking a question but with the current PPT are you guys weak in numbers in the BLs?

What do you think?

Just play the game and don’t feed the trolls – we wanted a challenge and we got a challenge. We just have to keep working at it and not give up. Stay classy guys.

Hello Magikarp,

I see, my apologies. I misunderstood Kathy’s statement.

Please don’t get me wrong, am seriously asking a question but with the current PPT are you guys weak in numbers in the BLs? As of GMT+8 2:31pm. I know our SOR NA brothers are doing are pushing as hard as they can, trying to help SOR Asian Prime. I am not trolling, totally serious on this.

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Kathy K,

/notroll

Thanks for pointing SOR that our SEA is weak in numbers, we do try out best against Merc/WM. It does get difficult at times but we will fight as hard as we can. See you on the battlefield.

FW

Kathy K.6812:

Hoots.9564:

Wonder what would happen if Merc left BG. That NA they carry is quite weak

The same thing that would happen if IRON left SoR. That SEA they carry is quite weak

@Fannwong

He said weak, not less in numbers, just clarifying.

Hello Kathy K,

/notroll

Thanks for pointing SOR that our SEA is weak in numbers, we do try out best against Merc/WM. It does get difficult at times but we will fight as hard as we can. See you on the battlefield.

FW

Kathy K.6812:

Hoots.9564:

Wonder what would happen if Merc left BG. That NA they carry is quite weak

The same thing that would happen if IRON left SoR. That SEA they carry is quite weak

Try WvW if you can. It’s a lot of emphasis on teamwork, group builds (esp if you are in WvW focused guild), tactical and strategic play with great commanders.

The fun thing is that the WvW game meta is constantly evolving even now, with 15-20 mans working as coordinated unit to demolish forces bigger than them. Take a look at this:

http://youtu.be/BaRGUCXfqfQ

Good hunting,
FW

Hello CRO,

We mentioned it was last night at SEA time 10pm GMT+8 that you had 4 queues, I did not say that you had queues on other days in the week. It was about last night. My friend in BG is an extremely reliable source. Read my post history in gw2 and gw2guru, I never lie and never troll in published information/analysis on the competition. Only time I trolled in forums was about the relationship between Sang and Cuddles (no offense, kudos to Cuddles for making things light. bisous)

Seriously, it’s fine have 4 queues in the weekend for your vanguard timezones with MERC and WM. SOR has 4 queues in NA time, lasting for ages on reset. There is no shame in that.

As it is, all the server have their key timezones and forces that make it difficult for other servers to compete. And because of game theory and economics 101, the weakest server gets 2v1. That is life, all the 3 servers suck it up and deal with it. Waha leading the JQ SEA forces that gave JQ its main PPT then and now, and BG with Tarkus/MERC/WM. I have a lot of respect for these guilds and leaders for their charisma and tactical brilliance whether they have the biggest numbers or not.

FW

CRO.7658:

Kryyg.8576:

A couple of the old FIRE SEA guys transferred to BG recently and they also said BG queues all 4 maps during SEA.

Explains the ppt to be honest, nothing to be ashamed of. Just interesting.

Definately wrong. 3rd party information is always bad.

Every night MERC float. This would not be possible if we had queues on all 4 maps. As Tarkus pointed out, we might have 2 full maps some nights but never 3-4.

Hello Lemrish,

Do look at the guild tags that the SOR guys are throwing up. lol.

But seriously, awesome job last week BG. I hear from a friend in BG that you guys have full queues on all maps in SEA 10pm GMT+8 so it shouldn’t been an issue. /notroll.

FW

Lemrish.5970:

Congrats on all your new guilds SOR! Your superior recruiting tactics are impressive.

To any guilds outside of T1 browsing this thread and are considering any T1 servers, please consider joining JQ. They could use some more people for their NA/EU times

Dear Commanders & Rallians of SOR,

It’s always been tough during the Asian time zone with SOR Asian Prime being the smallest of the 3 servers, but it’s been way tougher this week with the pushes on SOR Garrison and EB keep being taken. Do keep up the good work and good spirits.

As we’ve been told, don’t worry about the PPT, keep up the good spirits and morale. To the Koreans, Taiwanese, HK, Koreans, Singaporeans, Malaysians, Ozzies & Kiwi, early NA soldiers in the field, your work and effort is always appreciated.

Dear commanders, this will be a tough time, especially for the new ones, this will be a baptism of fire. Do what you need to do, don’t give up and don’t stress about points. Win the open field fights, sharpen your techniques and tactics. Shape up your troops and group builds. We want you to know that SOR trusts you to do what you think is right, there is no pressure, have fun. Never chase the PPT, never do overtime. That will lead to burnout, and kill your love of the game.

NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.

Have a good week,
FW

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks again for explaining.

However with your opening paragraph, about dominance being a perception, therein lies the problem the discussion thread is going.

There can be no serious discussion to reach a definite conclusion to the matter when there are no hard numbers and stats that we work from. Folks from BOTH servers can shift the perceived baseline to their bias and prejudice.

Take care,
FW

Neuromancer.2148:

Fannwong.3059:

Could we further clarify when an advantage becomes dominance, from 2 hours? and at what PPT?

There are no set rules and numbers. Dominance is also perception.

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks so much for taking the time to explain, I appreciate it.

“Ticking at 400 then dropping to 200 ppt within an hour is NOT dominance. That’s an instance of advantage. Winning one match-up sporadically is not dominance, it’s competition.”

Could we further clarify when an advantage becomes dominance, from 2 hours? and at what PPT?

Again, thank you for taking the time to clear the confusion about dominance. Please note that I also edited my earlier post.

FW

Neuromancer.2148:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello guys,

Please allow me to share some thoughts about the conversation that BG and SOR are having.

Part of the reason why there’s a lot of back and forth is the use of terms used very loosely, eg ‘pvdoor’, ‘dominance’, etc.

As Israel has kindly stated the meaning of ‘pvdoor’. Could we set the actual meaning of ‘dominance’ also? For some dominance is about the score difference (kudos to BG and JQ, solid pushes) and some it’s about numbers on the field, and some its about PPT/time. And then for some it’s about having wvw guilds on when the other servers had little or no manpower, of which I think 3 servers had that scenario at some point in the last 5 months.

Just so this thread doesn’t get locked. Please help each other out, at the end of the day we are all gamers in gw2, one day we are enemies and the next day we could be allies on the warfront.

FW

Neuromancer.2148:

morrolan.9608:

Kathy K.6812:

salluks.6017:

From what i see is the only way BG/JQ can keep up with SOR is to double team the kitten out and still lose.

must suck not being SOR

The only thing that sucks is SoR imbalancing T1 and calling the match-up “Even”.

But it was OK when BG did it right.

BG NEVER dominated the tier. HoD dominated. SoS dominated. JQ dominated. Whenever BG wins, it’s coming out of a hard-pressed, uphill battle. Transfer onto the server and see for yourself.

Dominance is a demonstrated, consistent advantage, in the case of WvW, it is ‘winning the timezone’. Summing up all the timezones where a server is dominant equals victory or defeat.

Notice that the key word is consistent. Ticking at 400 then dropping to 200 ppt within an hour is NOT dominance. That’s an instance of advantage. Winning one match-up sporadically is not dominance, it’s competition.

That’s what happens when people use words without really thinking about what they’re saying. The words end up losing any sort of meaning and the whole conversation becomes confused.

Hello guys,

Please allow me to share some thoughts about the conversation that BG and SOR are having.

Part of the reason why there’s a lot of back and forth is the use of terms used very loosely, eg ‘pvdoor’, ‘dominance’, etc.

As Israel has kindly stated the meaning of ‘pvdoor’. Could we set the actual meaning of ‘dominance’ also? For some dominance is about the score difference (kudos to BG and JQ, solid pushes) and some it’s about numbers on the field, and some its about PPT/time. And then for some it’s about having wvw guilds on when the other servers had little or no manpower, of which I think 3 servers had that scenario at some point in the last 5 months.

In your post, I gather that the definition of dominance is not about score difference, it’s purely about having an easy way to get to the top place. Do correct me if I am wrong.

Just so this thread doesn’t get locked. Please help each other out, at the end of the day we are all gamers in gw2, one day we are enemies and the next day we could be allies on the warfront.

FW

Neuromancer.2148:

morrolan.9608:

Kathy K.6812:

salluks.6017:

From what i see is the only way BG/JQ can keep up with SOR is to double team the kitten out and still lose.

must suck not being SOR

The only thing that sucks is SoR imbalancing T1 and calling the match-up “Even”.

But it was OK when BG did it right.

BG NEVER dominated the tier. HoD dominated. SoS dominated. JQ dominated. Whenever BG wins, it’s coming out of a hard-pressed, uphill battle. Transfer onto the server and see for yourself.

Hello,

I fight at SEA time. TKG havok group shows up in the home front and disrupts SOR operations every night. Haven’t seen them taking an off day ever.

Much respect to TKG, met you guys in Darklands in T2 Mourkain Temple demolishing Destro pugs and always remembered your skilled coordination.

FW

Esqi.8496:

Vash.9183:

Azure.8412:

zepp.4109:

Doomdesire.9365:

I like how BG complains about PvD considering PvD is the only reason why they are here.

In fact, every server in this matchup…in this entire game for that matter, has PvD’d

Every server in T1 has PvD to get to where they are
BG and their ~10 weeks straight of PvD against SoR in T2
JQ and their ~7? weeks straight of PvD against SoR, BG, SoS in T1
SoR and their PvD during Euro timeslot for ~6? weeks

Every server in T1 PvDs daily
SoR – Euro
BG – Oceanic
JQ – Sea

Nobody here. Not JQ, not SoR, not BG has legitimate PvD complaints. We’ve all done it and we all know it. This is the state of T1. There’s no real timezone outside of NA where everyone can get together and actually compete. It’s more like timezone X logs on, ticks at 400ppt, logs off just in time for the enemy to log on and tick at 400ppt.

And for what it’s worth, don’t take this as a “trolling” attempt but there isn’t a timezone out there where BG is in last place in terms of coverage. You guys still have the second strongest EU, NA, and SEA, and the strongest OCEANIC and are able to maintain at least your shard during all timezones outside EU…most of the time

BG is fighting against a large SoR zerg right now (oceanic primetime).

And JQ doesn’t PvDoor at SEA, BG and SoR has large zergs to fight against them at this timezone.

BG has multiple zergs in Oceanic.
CA & PUGS -> 1 medium zerg
MERC -> 1 large (occasionally larger than HIRE) zerg
XF & WM -> 1 medium zerg

SoR has 1 zerg in Oceanic.
HIRE -> 1 large (occasionally even bigger than MERC) zerg.

HIRE just hops a lot.

No, WM, CA, and XF log in for SEA for the most part. SoR has a late night group from NA that always stays up as well. Don’t forget that either side has to be preoccupied with JQ’s SEA force (and oceanic when TKG decides to play).

Aww that’s not fair

Hello Molly,

How are you and WM doing? I heard that some of the Korean brothers are returning to the game, that’s good news indeed. Although I am sad that we are on opposing servers I am glad we are enjoying the game our way.

About the float team, all 3 servers use it when there isn’t have enough forces to cover the maps. Waha ATM, HIRE, MERC all use the strategy as it provides the most effective way to counter the enemy float teams. I also remembered that we had to do this with WM when were outnumbered in SBI Asian Prime. All 3 servers have been doing this for months so I am not sure where you are going with the statement.

Sincerely,
FW

HolyMolla.6582:

But the thing is that SOR never runs in small numbers.
They always jumping maps with their 10000 people.
Yea, its a good tactics.
BG and JQ should adapt this right now!!!

To BG and JQ Asian prime time gents and ladies, totally awed by the manpower you guys have mustered for the time zone. Was tough fighting the 50ppt, but totally impressed by the coordination. /nosarcasm.

I think the close scores are really making it fun for everyone. Have a good week.

FW

Hello Israel,

Until a few days ago, I saw you quite a bit in Asian prime time in SOR so you know how SOR runs. But I have to disagree with you, BG has shown really good coordination in Asian prime. SOR usually has the lowest PPT of all 3 servers in the 24hr period.

FW

Israel.7056:

I think the reason it seems like SoR has more people is because they’re just generally more coordinated than BG. They have everyone going after one thing at the same time or they’ll be coordinating hits on several objectives at the same time so it feels like a coverage thing.

Hello Aneirin,

BG is now the only server in tier 1 that can muster their vaguard oceanic and sea forces to hit EU timing. BG server leaders have created the structure to switch OCN/SEA forces to EU on a short notice. Most of the forces in JQ and SOR are unable to do that. Prior to the arrival of IRON, WM was dominating EU time zone for almost 2 weeks straight. This might not seem like much but to play from 12am to 6am consistently requires a whole different level of discipline from the organized guilds.

FW

Aneirin Cadwall.9126:

zepp.4109:

BG ticked 400 ppt against IRON + KISS. SoR is ticking 400ppt playing against Doors.

You basically just said that BG is an EU server. How did that happen?

Hello Titan,

What you’ve written is completely disrespectful to JQ. It’s thoroughly uncalled for, JQ is going through a tough time and they are doing their best to reorganize.

Also, weren’t you also on Kaineng running with RISE and WM back when Kaineng was heading to the top? They are still formidable fighters IMHO, nothing to be trifled with.

On another note, saw new HiS in BG, great fighting group. Welcome. /salute.

FW

Titan.3472:

Kreen.3925:

Titan.3472:

Past hours JQ in EB => lol (the commander should be fire :p) You liked this moment when you said "gg no ennemy in defense around was pretty easy catch guys " and … bang falling from nowhere ^^ … bannered lord and erased your zerg in the red circle in under 5sec :p Seriously JQ is using their people like meat because they keep sending and I wonder how much gold each this evening cost them ^^
Past hours BG in EB=> try harder ( ^^ )

That was some serious spanking you get guys I am happy I recorded it for my souvenirs

[LORD] Legend Of Red Dragon (EU guild)

New EU guild on BG?

Quality post from a Quality dude from an obviously quality guild.

The message seems to be you stopped a JQ taking one of your assets? Congratulations,. you have just managed to do what thousands of others have done for months

Love to know how you knew what JQ said, assuming you mean in their map chat, or was it JQ TS? Or maybe I have just misunderstood your excellently written prose.

[LORD] is in SoR…
About JQ , you have T1 coverage but you play like T3NA or T5 EU from what I see regulary in wvw. But well I won’t complain and will welcome the loot with open arms. Good fights and good fun so far.
BG you are doing not bad. (hello Prince Jarvan, Jang and others… Your crew are getting better ^^ bring the good fights !)

Titan War

Hello,

/nosarcasm

Would like to congratulate BG for the great Euro ppt, it’s very encouraging. Much respect to MERC, keep up the pushes from Oceanic to EU. I do hope that BG will continue to keep at it like how BG EB forces kept pushing SM yesterday during reset. The coordinated group kept SOR on our toes for a very long time.

FW

Hello Prince

/notroll

That’s really awesome, AGG and RG are hands down one of the best guilds in GvG GW2. Congrats on beating them in GvG. Much respect.

FW

SpitFire.4690:

Dem lewt bags after lewt bags worth 20g JQ in SoR BL and 5hours of footage.

Also nice Agg, RG troll tags, we were like why they drop so fast..

Hello Punny,

Are you implying that JQ is not a T1 server?

Their Asian force can still push a 300+ PPT and JQ’s mobile/havoc squads are the still best among all 3 servers. RG’s move has a very high chance of inspiring a renaissance in tactics, build/traits and morale in JQ. For the sake of competition, I sincerely hope JQ NA can become competitive in the strategic sense.

FW

Punny.9210:

why JQ is still here srly >>>

fade.8603:

Eyefinity can be used even with a single monitor setup by switching modes and then using that same monitor to gain a larger FOV. Can someone verify?

Hello,

Yes, extended FOV can be done on a single monitor.

1. Switch the game to windowed mode.

2. Pull the top and bottom border as close and comfortable as you can.

3. Done.

Now you have extended FOV on right and left.

FW

Hello Kain

I understand your point of view. Esp about TS. Some folks don’t want to get it because they like their gaming experience different.

On the other hand the meta game has changed dramatically over the last 4 months. The use of combo fields, resetting, double feints, pincers require use of voice comms extensively. Coupled with the fact that downs can rally the emeny, the common responsibility of all soldiers in the field increases.

At the end of the day, we play with game we want but at some level we have to think of our impact on the community on the whole. Finding that balance is not easy for the player.

Take care,
FW

Kain.9127:

thiagoperne.7340:

I took a few months break from this game. Left when sor got into t1, now this server is just full of elitist kittenes.

Looks like you’re talking about the entire server based on what just a few people from there says here. That’s no good.

Nah, I’m saying this after playing wvw for awhile and seeing the difference. Its easy to notice after being gone for awhile. All the people freaking out about “get in ts or gtfo” sor was never like that. We promoted ts use yeah but the good commanders communicated with everyone in map still.

Maybe I just miss alpaca.

Hello Greshmael,

Thanks for the taking the trouble to explain your stand. It’s greatly appreciated. Friction in any family is unavoidable but it’s leadership like this that helps to soothe things out even though we might not see eye to eye with each other from time to time.

/respect

FW

Dear TC,

/notroll

Good flip on SOR Garrison. Your timing and execution is 1st class. /salute.

I strongly suggest that TC and SOS do a 2v1 on SOR BL again tomorrow night. We have a influx of new militia in WvW and they need to be trained on scouting and comms. We believe that a baptism of fire is one of the best way to train. So I strongly suggest that TC’s best coordinated guilds pile into SOR BL before reset and bring your A game. SOR needs it.

FW

Hello Hickeroar,

That’s awesome. Good to hear.

One other thing we do to encourage militia to join is sing along sessions once a while, especially during our weaker zones.

Also, having a couple of women commanders (Tysm lady, Wrex, Mrs Nyx, Sisters SSQ and Snowsnow, etc great commanders in their own right) help loads. The guys just pile in for some reason.

FW

Hickeroar.9734:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Hickeroar,

The key foundation to a strong WvW experience is Teamspeak.

Voice comms beats team chat in many ways:

1. Efficiency – It takes less work to lead and coordinate.
2. Speed – TS speeds up communication by 300% or more.
3. Civility – This is often overlooked, people are more civil on Teamspeak vs team chat, the same person that seems sarcastic or condescending on team chat is usually a normal guy on TS who is curt on team chat due to the problem of text thoroughly communicating finer ideas.

Point number 3 is key to building a good environment in WvW.

The most crucial is this. Barring language differences, the major guilds have to be in a server TS otherwise it will never work. If TS is empty you will never get pple in, but if you have a guild of 10-20 guys on one channel, it will get filled up pretty quickly with militia who want to coordinate with the guild. If that guild is successful you will soon get pple asking about builds and strats, that is when important information about strats, builds, ideas gets shared (points A,B, C in one go). That’s makes it a great WvW experience for all the folks in the server.

FW

Hickeroar.9734:

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

Our community server is mumble, as opposed to teamspeak, and there’s only one or two guilds that don’t share it.

Guilds communicate cross-channel, or join in the same channel, and there’s a lot of coordination. A large portion of our militia are also in mumble with us, but the “majority” of the militia are not.

We basically have a policy that we will encourage VOIP, but never “require” it (as if you could enforce this anyway), and commanders are encouraged to either type in /say as much as possible, or have their orders transcribed by someone. This happens…some of the time. xD

Hello Hickeroar,

The key foundation to a strong WvW experience is Teamspeak.

Voice comms beats team chat in many ways:

1. Efficiency – It takes less work to lead and coordinate.
2. Speed – TS speeds up communication by 300% or more.
3. Civility – This is often overlooked, people are more civil on Teamspeak vs team chat, the same person that seems sarcastic or condescending on team chat is usually a normal guy on TS who is curt on team chat due to the problem of text thoroughly communicating finer ideas.

Point number 3 is key to building a good environment in WvW.

The most crucial is this. Barring language differences, the major guilds have to be in a server TS otherwise it will never work. If TS is empty you will never get pple in, but if you have a guild of 10-20 guys on one channel, it will get filled up pretty quickly with militia who want to coordinate with the guild. If that guild is successful you will soon get pple asking about builds and strats, that is when important information about strats, builds, ideas gets shared (points A,B, C in one go). That’s makes it a great WvW experience for all the folks in the server.

FW

Hickeroar.9734:

I’ve noticed that a lot of what seem to be SoR militia are pretty sturdy. How do you properly explain a build to them: A) without coming off as elitists, without offending their precious hard-earned armor, C) in a way that communication is taken constructively and seriously?

SoR does seem to have a great track record in getting militia on-board and trained, and I think it’s a huge part of their success.

Hello Eve,

Official or otherwise, I strongly suggest SOS and TC pull a 2v1 on SOR for the rest of the week. For NA, EU, SEA, OCN timezones. Win or lose, lets do it for the challenge.

I am totally serious about this. Get your server leaders together, settle your differences and do a good coordinated 2v1.

FW

Dhampyr.2104:

2v1 against SoR is a nice idea, just not one that I think we’ll see alot of.

Hi Guys from SOR SEA,

/notroll

We salute SOS/TC militia that came out to fight regardless. SOR SEA also had the same experience for months where we were pushed to our garrison by BG and JQ night after night. We could only fill 1.5-1.9 maps and could only hold our keep in EB and lose our garrison every 2-3 days because of the massive numbers fielded by JQ/BG. We found 2 strategies worked in the early days:

1. Splitting up the 15-20 man into 5 man squads to hit supply camps in other BLs to take the camps and kill stragglers/cows/sentries. We used these type of guerilla tactics for months. This will help to lift morale.

2. By focusing ALL the SEA folks into garrison, sieging it up to siege cap, we would make the enemy pay in blood for every inch of progress.

Just an fyi, we found TC and SOS militia down about 50% faster than BG/JQ. There are probably 2 fundamental issues at hand, I beg your pardon if my opinions are presumptuous as we just faced your militia for the 1st last night on Asian prime time:

1. Traits for 10-15 man – Instead of roamer builds with more emphasis on DPS and crits, most SOR militia are traited towards more heals and group synergy like toughness, precision share, etc.

2. PVT (or Knight) – This type of armor/jewels play an important part. Dead people cannot DPS. We have a simple mantra in SOR for the militia, “Need more PVT” (esp melee) if one goes down too fast.

FW

Fiontar.4695:

I witnessed a really good TC commander loose confidence and direction just because we are facing SoR today. I hope commanders finding themselves intimidated will take a breath and get their wits in order. I have a lot of respect for people who take the Commander tag and I can appreciate it can be stressful, so this isn’t a rant. I just hate to see good commanders get frazzled just because of the match up.

Hi guys,

I hope you took the time to check the OP’s posting history and the angle of his posts in general. A couple of things:

1. I am not sure if Kefro is in SOR actually.

2. Also, his views does not reflect the views and feelings of the general populace of SOR. To be honest, I am embarrassed about the post. (not the video)

3. I pop into WvW throughout the day in NA, OCN, EU and help out in SEA. A huge majority of the guys are on the ground don’t share the kind of chest thumping Kefro is going on about.

4. In fact, the silent majority of SOR folks have friends in JQ and BG communities and have respect for them.

FW

Hello Wish,

Apologies but most of us had to run to the TW commander on duty in SOR BL at that time. Our commanders are extremely strict on mission command & control and they expect us to adhere strictly to set timings for keep/tower attacks. We have to follow engagement rules as dictated by the guild rules & regulation charter.

Perhaps you could PM us and we’ll try to arrange a 1v1?

FW

wish.1027:

Seriously, why is everyone from TW so bad?
Ive found 6 of your players in the last hour or so alone, and every single one ran from me until 4+ other TW players were around. Except 1 asuran guardian, props to you, but man, you guys are pretty bad. I moved to SOR BL solo to find some good fights, since thats all TW ever brags about. Turns out all they can do is win with numbers, who knew.

To NYS, AFS, SAHP, SATY, HIRE, IRON, OCX, SEA, OCN, EU & NA militia

Thank you for putting the effort to keep garrison afloat last night during SOR SEA prime (9-12pm GMT+8).

We lost garrison. But it was a good fight, in fact it was a brilliant fight. What was important was that you guys didn’t give up and didn’t surrender even against the odds.

Win or lose, the only thing that matters is that you did your best.

And for that you are honored.

FW

On another note, please send your repair bills to you-know-who.

A 6.5 earthquake hit central Taiwan about 1-2 hours ago. Let’s keep the Taiwanese folks like SSQ, Waha et al in our thoughts and prayers. Take care guys.

FW

Hello Ethersin,

/notrolling

I hope you guys will find a great home. My suggestion is that you send officers anonymously to 2-3 servers you like best to check out what the situation is really like. What the PR machine says will probably have about 30.43% deviation from reality.

That said, SOR NA time is very full and there’s a queue during prime time. However, SOR OCN and SEA can only fill about 2-2.5 maps (you can check the PPT history over 1-2 months, the data will show you the truth). JQ has the most organized/strongest SEA while BG has the strongest OCN. If you are NA, I am sure JQ and BG will be great homes for a WvW guild like yours.

Good hunting,
FW

Hello Beannie,

Do not blame yourself, NEVER BLAME YOURSELF. And no, you are not guilty.

GW2 is a game and if you don’t enjoy the WvW experience of getting 50-90ppt nobody in SOR is blaming you. /nosarcasm

We all seek the game we want to play. Some like to play against odds, some don’t, it’s all how we like to play the game. It is not work so we don’t have to work at WvW. There are a spectrum of players in all the servers and it’s plenty hard to get the hardcore WvWer or PvEr to go either way. What we deem as fun is our DNA, we cannot deny what we like to do to have fun.

Nonetheless, the WvWers enjoy the company of the militia because every Rallian that steps into WvW is a soldier of SOR, regardless of creed, race, guild or profession. /salute.

That said, a word out to the rest of the new guys in WvW. More PVT please, the game design favors PVT. More PVT = more DPS.

Have fun, /salute to the BG and JQ warriors that are out there in WvW regardless of score or numbers.

FW

Beannie.5982:

I’m on South East Asian timing and i joined SOR ever since they were in T2.

IMHO, the shift up to T1 was such a horrendous experience being pummeled the daylights out of us during my weekday wvw nights, so much so that i’m guilty of being a fair weather wvwer.

Logging in during those weeks have always been a period of being steamrolled by the immense JQ zerg. Additionally, it got worst with BG coming in, and all those news about them buying guilds was simply disheartening. Imagine seeing the uber JQ train becoming even fatter when FOO transferred in. Utterly disgusting.

SOR was constantly in 3rd, and i was wondering when we would actually drop to T2. But our leaders proved me wrong. Kudos to all our commanders and wvwers!

A warm welcome to IRON from the casual wvwers like me.

Now… its so good to be squishing these buggers back.

Were there mobs around you when you were fighting? He could have rallied off one and healed.

FW

CuddleStrike.8215:

Ascii.9726:

MagiKarp.8201:

DOUBLE KEEP FLIP

Gj GoF and MERC!

Good job! credit due, must be hard coordinating your server to constantly jump BL’s to avoid fighting TW & GSCH :P

Wolves are scary mmmmmk???

And as for GSCH, I don’t even know what that stands for…….

Hello Cuddlestrike,

GSCH stands for Gaiscioch. Sanctum of Rall was named after one of their most notable member Roger Rall who passed away before the game was launched. Great guild with great folks.

FW

Hello Cerialkilla,

As the other Rallians have mentioned, the WvW guilds are still out in full force. The numbers are roughly the same for Choo, TW, etc.

However, I am seeing names that I normally don’t see in WvW. They belong to guilds that are PvX or PVE. I also see Cursed Shore or LA commanders here in WvW (/nosarcasm). There’s probably about 25-35% more Rallians than usual. What is interesting however is that in SEA prime where hardcore JQ SEA fighters log in, we have still about the same number of WvW Rallians (Feb-Apr) with addition from IRON folks who play early.

This is a side effect of high morale and it spills over to folks who don’t normally want to enter WvW. It’s very normal and very very human, so I don’t blame if they decide not to WvW later if it gets crazy again when BG or JQ gets more folks into WvW.

I might want to add that high morale (and vice versa) spillovers are common across all 3 servers. So it’s no exception to SOR. Again, I don’t blame the PvE or PvX guys, they play their game their way, we play the game our way.

FW

Cerialkilla.3571:

Man did SoR pick up a few NA guilds too? I know they got Iron which is EU right. The NA coverage has always been Good… above average to good, but right now their NA is just crazy I swear every maps got 50-80 everywhere you look. Not hating mad props lookin good in na lately. I hate that all of jq NA guild gave up and jumped over to dragonbrand because sea time still goes strong if only we had some na again. I had a 2 minute queue on bgbl last night for the first time in who knows how long. Not counting reset night though