Guild Wars 2

Hello Magikarp

Thanks for taking the time to explain again.

I hope this doesn’t come across harsh but I mean it objectively and it’s not personal. I strongly empathize with the hardship and overtime that MERC and the SEA guilds have been playing to hit No. 1. I also have no issues with BG pushing EU where SOR & JQ were weak, it’s great strategic play at heart, “hit the enemy where he is weakest”.

Unfortunately, the position of ’BG’s unsustainable EU push’ that you’ve taken is untenable. Whether it was unsustainable is not the issue. The issue is that BG did it everyday in a row of 2 weeks and showed no indications of slowing down the EU pushes, in fact it judging from forums posts, it would seem that BG was going to push just as hard on the 3rd week with WM leading the EU charge.

Again, don’t take this personally, I just disagree with you objectively on this. I have a lot of respect for BG guilds. And I am trying very hard to put my faith into your statements.

On a side note, I know for a fact that WM + militia fought JQ and SOR when they 1st arrived in BG for at least 2-3 days before moving to the EU slot. So even if SOR had gotten a major SEA guild (like some of the BG leaders have mentioned) BG still would have pushed EU prime where our SEA guilds could not reach.

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Magikarp

Thanks for taking the time to explain your point of view.

I strongly disagree with you on the quote below.

During a 2 week push of BG hitting NO.1 Server, BG dominated EU prime ticking at 600PPT at one point at 6am GMT+8. If I am correct, the data is still there in MOS #NA.

In case some might wonder about the IRON numbers when they 1st came when BG EU dominance stopped . I counted the numbers personally on TS, it fluctuated from 15-25 men and women.

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

BG is strongest between 3pm and 12am GMT 8 which is 9 hours…

Which was Ralikh, Tarkus, Hyun D, War Machine and myself staying up late, Ralikh routinely logs in later to command during EU at this time. Hyun is no longer able to play and myself Ralikh and Tarkus can’t pull these ridiculous hours on a regular basis neither can our guilds. EU timezone is a timezone of small skirmish and SoR usually didn’t show up during this timezone was often openly obvious it was pvdoor, the introduction of a large organised force in this timezone has changed the balance of T1.

Yes we did do big EU pushes in the last two weeks, but as is evident with the addition of IRON to SoR it is a time zone where any form of organised force can push the ppt well over 400ppt. If you are taking that data as BG having a natural presence in this time slot, we do not (other than RK ofc <3), as I’ve said quite a few times it was unsustainable and we stopped doing it due to it effecting our commanders and guildies sleep patterns.

~Karps

Hello Magikarp

Thanks for taking the time to explain your point of view.

I strongly disagree with you on the quote below, perhaps the data that you received was not in good order.

During a 2 week push of BG hitting No.1 Server, BG dominated EU prime ticking at 600PPT at one point at 6am GMT+8. If I am correct, the information is still there in MOS #NA.

In case some might wonder about the IRON numbers when they 1st came when BG EU dominance stopped . I counted the numbers personally on TS, it fluctuated from 15-25 men and women. I must say that IRON has galvanized SOR EU, especially with one of their commanders sounding like Brick Top from Snatch, people go into TS just to listen to him talk.

That said, I have a lot respect for BG’s strategic planning, I am sure the leadership will be able to figure something to counter SOR and JQ in the next few weeks.

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

BG is strongest between 3pm and 12am GMT 8 which is 9 hours…

Hello Phabby,

I hear you.

However, I do suggest that you consider the overall coverage/skill of all T1 servers.

JQ still have the most coverage/skill in SEA time. Last night during SEA prime JQ had 300+ PPT at one point, skyrocketing the scores, Waha et al were still giving their 200%. JQ militia are still the most experienced of all 3 servers. JQ still has teeth, I for one will not write JQ off even at this point of time.

BG still has the strongest and probably the best organized Oceanic along with WM and other ex KN guilds fighting in SEA timezone. BG has also shown they are the only server have the willpower to push their Oceanic/Asians into EU time. The KN hardcore WvW guilds like RISE have pushed hard in NA time and made their mark in WvW. Most of JQ and SOR guys are playing casual time periods. Remember, BG won the tier in the last 2 weeks and BG still have the some manpower in their respective timezones.

I have spoken to some folks in the different servers, that one of the chief reasons that SOR is green this week was due to the fact that besides having IRON join SOR, BG didn’t have their vanguard forces pushing SEA and EU time. If they had, SOR chance of No. 1 would have been slimmer.

Going by the logic of splitting up the spearhead forces of SOR NA, then JQ SEA and BG OCN should be split up too.

FYI, I’ve also heard/read that BG and JQ are in the process of getting more EU and NA guilds in the next 1 or 2 weeks so more things might change.

FW

phabby.8945:

Warlord.9074:

Sleepyy.1598:

Kryyg.8576:

Does anyone else feel like SoR should break up their NA?

It’s getting tiring now.

Go into one BL you hit CHOO.
Go to another BL you hit FEAR.
Go into another BL you hit TSYM.
Try BL #4 and you get TW.

That’s not even including all the other WvW guilds that they have.

Why should they break up?

Ty btw.

We play on NA servers. We have NA guilds. Your a NA server with not many NA guilds that relies on non NA coverage why should that be our problem. The way I see it we are the normal server here.

Isnt it funny how all last thread that you guys on Sor wanted Eu coverage to BALANCE wvw and thought it was great that now you have 1 that everything is balanced yet your NA is stacked to the hilt , and you all cry if its suggested that just maybe you should take your own advice and and balance out NA for the betterment of wvw T1 as a whole.

Sounds more like you just want the easy ride like JQ had for the last few months and have a stacked server to roll everyone.

Hello guys,

The singer’s name is Lana Darkess formerly from [AxA] guild. She’s Ozzie and I had the privilege to experience her music when some of us were in KN. She has a really wonderful voice (Commander Potato proposed to her right after her 1st performance) and it kept our morale up during the long cold nights of 80+ppt on SOR.

Here’s her post:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/SoR-recruitment-thread-SEA-EU-NA-players/1862846

She’s left the game mostly but popped into TS today just for one last concert.

Have a good one Lana, may the good winds bring you good tidings in your singing career.

FW

Dementia.9543:

Caedus.6571:

salluks.6017:

Pvp.2758:

Listening to an Australian chick sing on Team Speak at 8:30 AM.

SoR > All

shes actually quite good, might be a spy though, we lost 100 points since then ..

Hmmm. Never thought about it that way. Now it all makes sense.

Doesn’t matter. Was able to record the part where she sang the Pokémon theme.

SoR > All

I missed it please share.

Dear Sanghae & Cuddle,

I’m really sorry about this but I really have to take it to a public forum as my private tells to him did not work.

Sanghae has been playing on SOR Asian Prime and have made promises to some of the ladies. I would recommend that Sang not sit so close to Cuddle for a picture. Asian girls are very sensitive about that. No disrespect to Cuddle, you’re a lovely creature.

FW

CuddleStrike.8215:

Score Update!

With my adorable Sang <3

SO ADORABLE SANG

Hello MagiKarp,

Don’t underestimate MERC & WM, they are truly dedicated to the score and worked hard to pull off a 2 week dominance in PPT by engaging both SOR and JQ in EU time. It’s real solid work and they have the tenacity to pull it off anytime they want. To the rest of us, BG ticking at 500ppt+ on GMT+8 6am was no illusion. I know for a fact that SOR SEA cannot play beyond 1am (GMT+8) due to our casual playtime.

BG with the strongest Oceanic vs SOR & JQ, pushed the best PPT among 3 servers just last night between late NA and mid Oceanic

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

RIP competition in T1? :P

I wish we had enough players to have 4 commanders in one map :P

Must be fun EU capping everything then gloating how much better you are than everyone else from atop your T3 fortifications?

BG gave the illusion of EU via SEA / Oceanic last week, now SoR with EU, going to be a long kitten winter.

Kalla.4290:

I don’t know if we are the most resilient. Black Gate has always been impressive that while they may have some down periods and have been shunted back tiers a few times they always come back bigger, stroxnger and more ferocious.

Jade Quarry has battled other dominant servers (HoD and SoS) for a long time, they have to have a lot of resilience to have stuck with that competition for so long.

This.

JQ’s might & tenacity has never been doubted, they can bounce back if they choose to. And BG has always been ingenious & tenacious in how they maximise the use of their vanguard forces of [MERC] & [WM].

All 3 servers have evolved both the PPT & battlefield meta in the last 2 months, all are T1 material and all are as resilient in one way or another.

FW

To BG SEA, well played this week, esp with the EU time zone push. A great strategic move, esp for the hardwork on the asian crew pushing past midnight. Congrats on the win. /salute.

To JQ SEA, /salute to the dedication in spite of the score.

To SOR SEA/Oceanic, /respect to the ones who come out in spite of the 125ppt. Never giving an inch without a good fight, especially tonight with the kamikaze death rush on the trebs at LV and the defense of garrison west wall. I am honored to run with you, you who fight against all odds. You are warriors.

FW

Hello,

Take a look at this. Anything with 30k-40k difference between the servers is generally indicative of a balanced tier. Also, you might want to check out which time zone where most of the good fights are.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups

FW

Note: Stating this just for the record, I have no personal issues with WM nor Jang Gun, nor the rest of the Kaineng NA, Oceanic & SEA community.

Hey guys,

I was in WM since October and parted ways on 21st Feb 2013. I was a WM Commander with SEA zone from Jan-Feb. In the time I came to know all of the WM members, they are still my friends and I still keep in touch with exWM (SOR & BG) and some of the Korean folks in KOR.

I have spoken at length to some of the exWM members. They left due to various reasons, there are no perfect guilds and every guild has house rules that members might find disagreeable in the long term.

But these exWM members in SOR have not ‘bad mouthed’ nor given WM a hard time. So unless Jang Gun can produce proof that this has happened, I would have serious doubts about this happening, like in the case of [AGG] & WM in December 2012.

I have no issues with Jang Gun, he is still one of the best commanders I know on the field, both strategically and tactically.

Again, I have no issues with WM, past and present. I need to see evidence.

FW

thiagoperne.7340:

Agreed. So what if a few SOR players(ex-WM) gave them a hard time, is that hard to ignore them? I guess they’d prefer choose reputation over challenge, maybe for them it’s better to pvdoor a lot for the win rather then make t1 much more competitive and fun with actually pvp’ing.

Hello RedJustice,

I was formerly SBI, went KN and now I am in SOR.There are always folks in TS if you want to coordinate during NA, Oceanic and Asian time zones. SOR TS is the 2nd most used server in NA, and most of the commanders coordinate in there.

During Oceanic and Asian time we are outmanned vs BG/JQ and we have a few forces bouncing maps. They will be in TS, probably in a bounce channel. Welcome to SOR.

FW

RedJustice.1548:

Can someone kindly direct me to where I might find out wth is going on in SoR Wv3?

A week ago I transferred form SBI where things like this happened:

Hello Declan

SOR Oceanics can field a solid 1.5 BLs. OCX & HIRE along with militia do a splendid job. Same for Asian Prime, 1.5BLs to 2 BLs max. Since BG got the KN infusion, our ppt hovers around 85-150ppt.

FW

declan.3968:

how is SOR oceanic representation

Note: Please don’t take this the wrong way. I am being thorough objective here. Nothing personal.

Hello xiao & Killtrox,

Unfortunately when Killtrox made that statement about the lack of skill with JQ zergs, he did make it in the capacity as a Commander of RISE. There wasn’t any disclaimer that he was speaking for himself, so most folks would assume that a senior ranked person of a particular guild represents not only himself but also the guild. Next, the line of logical reasoning would imply that RISE is better than the said zergs (due to Killtrox’s seniority).

This is much like in the real world where CEOs/CFOs/etc make disparaging remarks of other companies and are taken to task by the public.

However this is a game, but the shared responsibility still stands and the opposing teams will probably take him/RISE to task. What Killtrox has probably done is to invite both JQ and SOR to target himself and RISE. I am not sure if this is Killtrox’s intended result.

FW

xiao.9258:

You guys can’t read.. He never said RISE is the number 1 guild. If you put our RISE commanders words together it probably reads… He guild may not like some T1 guild that tick 400 to 500+ when they log on, but that’s because he doesn’t have enough people. But his handful of new transfer has made a world of difference in points by zerging with WM.. So he has every right taking pride in his home server for two week being number 1. So once his forum victories generates enough new members, he will be out of our hair to do some real commanding

Hello Dredrum,

If MERC goes all out again leading their Ozzies and Asian wvwers into late Asian Prime and EU (GMT+8 11pm – 6am) this week, I have no doubt BG will definitely get No. 1 again. That is hardcore playstyle, much like what I remember of SOS tenacity.

FW

Dredrum.2563:

Bg started out behind last week, how’d that work out?

Aye captain, likewise. /respect.

FW

Rhaegus.8924:

Hey TW and friends.
Thank you for the most intense and fun 20 minutes of WvW right there in Lowlands.
Great fights there and i think both servers enjoyed that fight, even though we lost :-)

props to you guys.

Hello Killtrox,

I think it’s unwise to criticize JQ, they are number 1 for a reason. You probably met militia forces lead by new commanders. And as some of the Quarrians say, don’t provoke the beast lest he comes down on you.

SOR has faced many competent JQ zergs, they are worthy opponents. As you new transfers RISE, MEOW, WM, etc are.

FW

Killtrox.2019:

JQ….why do you put arrow carts in the middle of zerg v zerg fights? Thought T1 was suppose to be this awesome zerg v zerg competition but as I command for RISE I can’t help but notice the disorganization from JQ and some SoR zergs. JQ’s logic – put arrow carts in the middle of fights because our skill isn’t enough, scatter everywhere to make us look like a bigger zerg, run away. I’m noticing SoR getting better with their organization so brownie points for you guys, but man was I disappointed at the competition when we xferred to BG.

Hello Godsider,

AFAIK, all the T1-T2 servers boast good to great leadership & tactics during NA prime (I have gone through T8-T1, but folks might disagree with my pov). I think you will find a good home in either 6. However, the rankings here will show you the strongest one.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

However, for T1-T2 NA servers, anything more than 20.24%-30.59% deviation is usually due to coverage on off peak hours.

FW

Godsider.5623:

Could anyone suggest a good North American server with competent www leadership during NA prime?

Have played rvr games since DAOC (Mid/Perc)

My current play time is limited due to job/family responsibilities, and would like to contribute to a productive www effort, regardless of tier.

Thanks

To [Merc],

You guys pushed so hard all around the clock spearheading the BG push, even into Euro/earlyNA prime time. /salute, much respect for your hard work for the last 2 months.

Have a great week everyone! JQ, BG & SOR, may all your arrows blot out the sun.

FW

Hello Zen,

You are totally spot on.

As we mentioned to most folks, SOR Asian Prime only had the numbers to hold 1.5-2 maps. We were really blessed to have the NA crew pop in from time to in the last month to help but we told them not to make it a habit to push PPT.

The chief reason was that end of the day, it’s a game.

And if the game was to chase after a number we knew we couldn’t reach other than playing longer and longer hours, it would become work. Then it would cease to be fun and soon after that would be burnout.

And worse after that would be losing friends we made in ts.zerodrama.org.

SOR Asian Prime will fight the battles we can fight. And the battles we can’t fight we will rest and leave the results in the hands of the Six Gods.

FW

Zen.8497:

I let you in a little secret… for the past weeks at least the message on SoR is “do not stress out ppt, just go out there do what you can, dominate your fights and do not forget to enjoy the game.” This message is on TS and not sure if my quote is 100% word by word but it represents the great attitude and community on SoR.

Hello Provac,

Just an fyi, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore (plus some European and Asian countries) have mandatory military enlistment for about 1-2.5 years for males in the late teens. We serve in the regular army and head back yearly for refresher training till late 30s and 40s. So this is not a rumor, all male adult Koreans are ex-military.

FW

Provac.3598:

1) Most of WM Korean’s Members are enlisted in the army.

Hello oxide,

I am a Singaporean ethnic Chinese.

In Eastern Asian culture (Japanese/Korean/Chinese), there’s a social hierarchy defined by a mix of seniority/talent with varying degrees of strictness with the different races & nationalities. Community ranks higher than the individual and hence cohesion/harmony is important. WM by nature of its status and prestige (best Korean team in GW1) stands high. Jang Gun stands at the pinnacle.

Amongst other things, a substantial amount of players have accused Jang Gun of destroying the lower tiers by transferring to Kaineng, spoiling the fun and griefing many players from opposing servers.

In Asian culture where leaders are expected be both blameless and talented, controversy never sits well and will bring shame to their community.

FW

oxide.8324:

Foundation.1859:

First, I want to make sure that I am Korean.

Directly speaking, JANG and his guild WM do not represent all Korean users in this game. If JANG keeps on acting like he is the Korean will, he is definitely dishonoring the rest of the Koreans. He should learn courtesy and be more quiet in and outside the game. There are Koreans all over the servers, not only in BG, but also in JQ, SOR, SBI, KN, and more.I am sure that these Korean players do not recognize JANG as a inter-server Korean leader.

I thank my friend VR who told me about this thread.

Why are you angry? No one ever said that Jang/WM represent all Korean users.

Hello BenL,

You are totally spot on, it’s ones money and one has the right to spend it anyway one likes.

/aboutpower&responsibility

However, we come to this maxim at some point, with great power lies great responsibility.

We as human beings exercise influence on one another. And those entrusted with talents will influence more.

Like leaders IRL, server leaders hold a compass that points the way for the server to go, to fight the fight. And people look up to them for direction, so if leaders decide to leave the server, there’s a large majority that will follow. This is what happened to SBI in December and this is what happened to Kaineng. A good 70-80% of the hardcore dedicated KN WvW guilds followed WM to BG.

In real life, a person has to weigh his decisions on how it might affect his loved ones, his friends, his environment. It is a fact of life that applies in game as well.

So with WM being that compass along with the KN transfers, BG has a 60-80% of being a solid No. 1 server in T1.

FW

zeus.2375:

BenL.5312:

Jang has made a statement on his reasons to leave and that’s it. It is time to move on.

Are all the hate posts coming from people who are raging cause WM did not choose their server? I bet if the shoe was on the other foot, they’d be posting “we love WM, we welcome WM”

Jang and his crew are real people who have paid real money and are looking for their fun, It’s unfortunate that their idea of fun isn’t the same as you, so suck it up. Jang and his crew are free to do what they see fit and is in the best interest of their guild.

It is outright selfish to insist they stay on in a server where they feel it’s no longer fun. This is a game and the aim is to have fun.

Guilds will move servers, populations will change, that is a reality. Lack of change breeds stagnation. Face it, the international nature of the game means that the basic building block is the guild, it is not X server or Y server.

The server name is merely a title given to a database that records the points. Servers facing destruction? That is merely creative destruction that prevents stagnation through movement either up or down the tiers. You see this phenomenon in nature all the time.

Lastly, I wish WM all the best with BG and being able to play with their korean friends in ND.

Exactly. Well said.

Dear Jang Gun,

Thank you for taking the time to explain.

I do apologize if any SORians have badmouthed you, though I most from what I heard was praise and respect a few weeks ago. I am truly mystified as most of the exWMers I met in March/Apr had really good things to say for WM.

A lot of exSBIs in SOR still have much respect for WM, in fact some of the Asian Prime people have studied WM tactics on youtube for some time to improve themselves. I hope the BG WvW community fits WM well.

Lastly even though you are red to SOR now, we hope to meet to fight WM honorably in WvW on asian prime time.

With Respect,
FW

General.7803:

First, sry about that I can speak English very well. So I can write wrong or rudely.

Second, Reason – why went to BG.
- first of all, I really sry to KN. we had worked in KN for 4 months but we were dying coz boring battle, not good combination server, and guild’s betrayer etc. so I wanted to go EU for training but we couldn’t coz some reason. So we had to choice 1 battle server.

1. There r many WM’s betrayer is composed +10 NA players who I trained in SoR and they kept talking bad about WM. How can we go to SoR? And many KN player went to SoR coz maybe they want big Zerg.

2. I had received many threat as Mail and whisper from SoR. There r many gentle recommender but there r many rude man. Teatag? About that I was really angry. Even nowadays I have received many threats everydays. How can I go SoR?

If u want to blame me about moving, first, u should to blame them.

3. I had collected data about T1 for 2 weeks before we move. It’s many different about i have heard. I saw BG have worst PPT half of day and server was dying. They is wiped from big JQ and big SoR floater. Also I saw from early Asian zone to lately Asian zone BG 4 borderland didn’t have Que coz they didn’t like to play this time.

4. I always want to play with other Korean. But we always didn’t. So I decided to play in BG’s other Korean for not much remaining my last playtime.

5. WM’s member applied and wanted.

Third, Don’t worry I heard someone saw us about big zerg. Haha. I have seen many liars and mouth coward for 10 months. We always play about 10~+15 at prime time- honestly we don’t have prime time just work 24hours and we just have 50 members. But I have seen always moving big Zerg enemy afraid dying and they laugh to us. If we r bad, don’t talk about us. We r just small guild like battle.

Hey buddy,

I’ll be honest here, I am new in SOR, less than 2 months old. I’ve come to know the great folks in SOR who’ve been here far far longer than me who have put in so much more time, effort and love. Like the leaders from Choo, CDS, GSCH, TW, TSYM, FEAR, AFS, SAHP, SYN, HIRE, OCX, NYS, LOVE, Nyx Sykes and many many many more. I think they are the real server leaders. They have been here so much longer and they have grown the server as a family. That’s what makes SOR SOR.

Keep up the great work SOR, NEVER GIVE UP NEVER SURRENDER.

FW

akamon.2769:

FannWong is a great commander. : )) and through our few exchanges on the field, a great person as well as far as i’m concerned. always appreciate your posts in here!! on par with a few other leaders (not just those with commander tags, mind you) from JQ and BG who keep their servers together.

take what you will from this thread, folk. deep down though, we all know we can’t live without one another XDDD

/nosarcasm

Dear Blackgate WvW Leaders,

Would like to congratulate you guys on an excellent push since reset. I think both SOR and JQ WvWers have underestimated the tenacity and determination of your guilds. It’s highly commendable.

The dedication of almost round the clock objective holds plus the spearhead of your Oceanic along with the shifting of some of your key Asian WvW commanders into EU time GMT+8 12am is very smart strategy.

Even without the Kaineng transfers you’ll probably hit No.1 this week, and with them I think BG certainly will be the top server in time to come if you can maintain the coverage and tenacity.

/tipshat

FW

Dear Sir,

Thank you for listening.

In all my years of gaming, I have never seen game developers caring enough to listen to the community, weigh the issues at hand and give us a response so quickly.

I believe a lot of silent WvWers who frequent this forum thank the 6 at night for you and your professionalism and empathy. I hope you get a big raise this year for your hard work and dedication.

Thank you again.

FW

edited name of Mr Carver. my bad.

Hello Sielfiel,

As evidenced by my signature, I am in SOR and not in WM since they are in BG. For the record, we parted ways in late Feb and I’ve been in SOR since. This thread however doesn’t concern me and there are bigger things at hand to talk about.

FW

sielfiel.4692:

ohhhh aren’t you rfom WM fannwong?

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Sielfiel,

Actually in Nov/Dec 2012, FOO was becoming a force to be reckoned with during SBI asian prime. Although they were fielding less numbers (approx 20+), they were one of the few guilds that SBI found very difficult to counter.

FW

sielfiel.4692:

i’ve seen WM/pugs zerg got wiped by TW/Tsym/Hire zerg. but you have to understand, pve guilds running with one of the most well known guild against 3 of the best in sor is a no contest .also, I’ve only seen a very few of WM in BG atm. Give them some time, I never knew FOO existed during SBI’s prime to be honest.

and there is a reason why a certain NA guild is “avoiding” TW, They’re actually pretty devastating. good thing is, TW/Hire didnt leave SOR BL to defend.

Hello Sielfiel,

Actually in Nov/Dec 2012, FOO was becoming a force to be reckoned with during SBI asian prime. Although they were fielding less numbers (approx 20+), they were one of the few guilds that SBI found very difficult to counter.

FW

sielfiel.4692:

i’ve seen WM/pugs zerg got wiped by TW/Tsym/Hire zerg. but you have to understand, pve guilds running with one of the most well known guild against 3 of the best in sor is a no contest .also, I’ve only seen a very few of WM in BG atm. Give them some time, I never knew FOO existed during SBI’s prime to be honest.

and there is a reason why a certain NA guild is “avoiding” TW, They’re actually pretty devastating. good thing is, TW/Hire didnt leave SOR BL to defend.

Hello Mance,

Thanks for taking the time to clarify, much appreciated.

Best
FW

Mance.5640:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Mance,

Nothing personal but that information is incorrect.

The spam tells were from [AGG]. The screenshots were posted in GW2 Guru. JERICO [AGG] apologized after that. WM had no issues with TYSM while in SBI.

I was from KN (Dec2012-Feb2013) and as far as I know there is no enmity against SOR as I am in touch with great exKN folks. Would you like to share where you got the information from?

Also, RISE, RE, old DE, MEOW, WM folks are really good people with great attitude. Am sad to see them as red but c’est la vie, we have to do what we have to do.

Regards
FW

AS FOR THESE [RISE] GUYS?! Who knows, but new people to fight is always good.

My bad then buddy, I thought it was Tysm for some reason. I get my soaps mixed up =( Edited post.

[/quote]

Hello Mance,

Nothing personal but that information is incorrect.

The spam tells were from [AGG]. The screenshots were posted in GW2 Guru. JERICO [AGG] apologized after that. WM had no issues with TYSM while in SBI.

I was from KN (Dec2012-Feb2013) and as far as I know there is no enmity against SOR as I am in touch with great exKN folks. Would you like to share where you got the information from?

Also, RISE, RE, old DE, MEOW, WM folks are really good people with great attitude. Am sad to see them as red but c’est la vie, we have to do what we have to do.

Regards
FW

Mance.5640:

WM hates Tysm for spam tells and drama from when Tysm was on SoS. They fit right in with the other SoR haters in BG. I’m sure they’ll give some extra attention to SoR because of it.

AS FOR THESE [RISE] GUYS?! Who knows, but new people to fight is always good.

Hello Titan,

Is this confirmed? I am sad to hear about KN guilds moving. But I do know that there are some really good wvw fighters in KN guilds as we fought together from T8-T2. Would be good to see them again, it’s been a long time.

FW

Titan.3472:

Some KN guilds (3 to 5) gonna transfert over BG or SoR very soon :p

Ascii.9726:

Until we get some official word from the man Noodles himself on EMP lets not all jump to conclusions.

I have seen some EMP running around in JQ just not the whole guild.

+1 Concur. Do stay classy on the forums, speculation on sensitive issues like this or otherwise isn’t good for the communities on either side. Wait for the GL or officer for an official statement.

FW

Hey guys,

For the JQ that was on SOR BL from 8pm to 1130pm Asian Prime (GMT+8) last night. BG and JQ had taken most of the BL with BG pushing the west tower and JQ pushing from east tower.

Much respect to JQ with FOO, Prx, et al. Most intense fight I’ve had up to till date with multiple attacks on west garrison gate with an open field MvM on north camp. 50+ vs 50+ (or more with wipes on both sides) with fluid tactical movements that it was just pure enjoyment to be a part of.

/respect & /salute

FW

Hi guys, it’s been a really good ride with SOR Asian Prime for the last 1.5 months.

I’ll be honest here. It is a tough fight as we are facing odds fighting massive JQ numbers. We usually run a ppt of 100-190+ on most nights but the militia and guilds do soldier on. SOR Oceanic/SEA can fill about 1.9-2.3 BLs for the timezone. The leaders are smart and polite, that helps loads during intensive WvW.

What I find really comforting as an adult gamer is the lack of negativity in map chat and the overall cohesiveness of the WvW community even though we speak different languages and in many different accents (Ozzie, HK, Pinoy, Malaysian, Taiwanese, NA, SG, etc) as experienced in the SOR Teamspeak server.

Do drop into our server ts.zerodrama.org and speak to our commanders if you have queries. Btw, we typically only have queue in 1 BL (5-10min), other than that it’s pretty good.

In the words of Commander Jason Nesmith, NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.

FW

Btw, we are arranging weekly concerts on GMT+8 9pm nights from Lana Darkess of [AxA].

Hello Dramen,

You’ve written an extremely clear post.

Unfortunately, barring an official 2v1 on JQ, 90% of the commanders in each time zone will always attack the weaker faction, largely due to PPT and score.

WvW’s foundation rests almost purely on economics, ie the easiest target in the shortest amount of time = best value. Some commanders might have grudges against guilds on the opposing server but it’s usually negligible in the in larger scheme of things.

The mechanics and meta implemented by ANet fosters this arrangement and it will be hard to break this mentality, even though it might be good for the long term.

Do note that I am not stating that this is good nor bad. I am saying that this is part of human nature at play.

FW

Dramen Maidria.1034:

Am I saying leave each other alone? Hell no, that would just make the match stale in another way. We absolutely should meet in glorious combat, but right now for the most part we tend to fight each other more often than we fight Jade Quarry, and it should be the exact opposite of that. The times I am in WvW most of the time the fights in the Borderlands end up being against Sanctum of Rall, its just what I have observed. I am sure this is not the case 24/7, but it is often the case.

Hello Boulderbolg,

I believe what you’ve said is borderline insulting. It’s really uncalled for.

Waha/FOO are classy & honorable folks and they do employ extremely viable strategy. They have something which 99% of the guilds lack, namely tactics, synergistic group builds and massive numbers.

FW

Boulderbolg.3460:

uberkingkong.8041:

Pvp.2758:

wish.3102:

I love how so many people cry about FOO and say they PVDoor…
Have you watched any of their videos or played when they do?
Let me help you out.

http://youtu.be/jRiVp266kS0
If this is your idea of PvDoor… how many people does the opposing team need?

oldephartte.4369:

Simple solution. Put a cap on the number of non-NA players allowed on any one NA server based on a +/- percentage of the total number of non-NA players on NA servers with the objective of fairly balancing the the population of non-NA players across all the NA servers to make game play more competitive 7/24.

As I recall from playing friday, JQ was winning when NA prime ended. This ‘solution’ of yours wouldnt let you win anyway. so lol

Most of those they outnumbered their opponent/were fighting unorganized forces. I’m not saying FoO isn’t a good guild, but don’t try to get them as much credit as you do…besides, look what happened in JQ BL today during asian primetime

Or maybe its because Foo is too organized. When they push, they push, they don’t think twice about doing so.

It is too bad FOO doesn’t play NA PST prime time. We would enjoy ganking their “1” spamming reinforcements as they scurry towards their zerg for protection.

JQ Asia Prime pushes 550PPT.

JQ pushes in Asian Prime. 11.55pm. GMT8+

Asian Prime update.

Hello,

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Sidequestion: Hypothetically, if I were to temporarily transfer to learn some new WvW strats, what tiers/servers should I be looking for to see the most variety?

You would be looking at T1 or T2.

Zergballs or the superdense blitzballs relies heavily on mobility & surprise like the blitzkrieg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blitzkrieg). It’s a very dense spearhead that punches through enemy lines to distrupt and destroy. It is extremely effective and most conventional forces use this type of warfare even till this day.

If you have smaller numbers, the open field does not offer an advantage to your team. The enemy would have all the mobility and a competent blitzball driver would be unpredictable.

LIke the blitzkrieg, the blitzballs can be destroyed when you deny mobility & surprise.

One of the few ways to stop a blitzball with a smaller force is using a choke point defense. With enough ACs, necro AOEs, stuns, AOE block, I have seen 15-20 man completely wipe one of the top 3 guilds in GW2 fielding a larger force.

The key to to choke point defense the the use of advance scouting & early prep of siege and manpower much like how the blitzkrieg was stopped cold in the Kursk offensive.

insanemaniac.2456:

hmm..
zvz battles sound like typical 17th-19th century european armies.

what beat that? guerrilla tactics. winters.

Unfortunately that won’t work on blitzballs. Guerrilla tactics by insurgents are designed to disrupt logistics, patrols and softer targets away from the battlefield front lines (in real world warfare). In the game, this would work against camps, dolyaks, escorts, etc but not against blitzballs.

FW

/threadnecro

Hey guys, it’s been a really good week, with more folks showing up during Oceanic/Asian Prime (you know who you are, you guys are doing awesome work!).

It’s still pretty much an uphill fight and we are still outnumbered. With just enough forces to maintain a solid front on 1 BL and EB. Nonethless, keep up the good work, esp with some of the guilds using new group coordination and tactics to beat the odds.

If there are other folks who might be interested to have a workshop on the new type of group coordination, do drop us a message in game.

/salute.

NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.

FW

Hey guys,

If this is the same Zallos Rek, then he’s been around for ages hacking. Did a google search and there are youtube videos on him.

If it’s confirmed that it’s the same person, a mass reporting of 30 or more pax will get him auto-banned (to my knowledge).

FW

wish.3102:

It’s “Zallos Rek” on JQ that is hiding in the map and breaking the doors.

When I was camping by BG’s garrison waiting for the exploiter to come back, I saw a green dot appear at watergate, so I ran towards it and as I was running up the stairs, I saw the names of everything around through the walls (like what sometimes happens, I’m sure you’ve all seen this) and I clearly saw the name “Zallos Rek” in the wall.

Hi,

I am truly impressed. The dedication by Merc et al. /salute.

No sarcasm intended. You guys really brought the works last night during asian prime.

FW

muekung.2518:

MagiKarp.8201:

^ lol worked hard :P dat recruitment thread.

Anywho well done to MERC & Thai & everyone else for their great work defeating JQ SEA!

Also go Hyun D from Never Die! 13 hours later he’s still going strong in EB!

13 hours huh ?

hmmm

Zen.8497:

Fannwong.3059:

Just want share a word for SOR Asian/Oceanic Prime here. (Been looking here and there and haven’t found a community forum for Asian/Oceanic SOR, probably due to language barriers. Apologies if this sounds like chest thumping but just wanted to let the asian/oceanic guilds and militia know my thoughts.)

I arrived on SOR about a month ago and have been running alongside with HIRE, SYN, SAHP, NYS, OCX, SEC plus other gents and ladies in WvW. It’s been tough, SOR is usually outmanned at the time slot with double digit PPT on most days. But I am really surprised that there’s hardly any negativity on teamchat, that alone is a blessing.

And though the mood might not be upbeat with JQ and BG beating on SOR BL at most times, the guilds and militia are not throwing in the towel. Seriously, I have been through the tiers from T1-T8 and I haven’t met folks like you guys, fighting even when the chips are down. It really feels like the folks are running with the NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER spirit.

It’s been fun and it’s honor pushing the front lines with you. Win or lose, it’s been awesome. /salute.

Fannwong Capslock

Well said. I have been running with these fine gents and ladies myself and I can only say: You are amazing, keep up the great work for this I am truly grateful!

TBH, I think it’s primarily due to the presence of [Choo] NA and [TW] that’s been a real morale booster over the last 2+ weeks. Seeing them coming on board during Asian Prime and leading us in WvW battles.

FW

Just want share a word for SOR Asian/Oceanic Prime here. (Been looking here and there and haven’t found a community forum for Asian/Oceanic SOR, probably due to language barriers. Apologies if this sounds like chest thumping but just wanted to let the asian/oceanic guilds and militia know my thoughts.)

I arrived on SOR about a month ago and have been running alongside with HIRE, SYN, SAHP, NYS, OCX, SEC plus other gents and ladies in WvW. It’s been tough, SOR is usually outmanned at the time slot with double digit PPT on most days. But I am really surprised that there’s hardly any negativity on teamchat, that alone is a blessing.

And though the mood might not be upbeat with JQ and BG beating on SOR BL at most times, the guilds and militia are not throwing in the towel. Seriously, I have been through the tiers from T1-T8 and I haven’t met folks like you guys, fighting even when the chips are down. It really feels like the folks are running with the NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER spirit.

It’s been fun and it’s honor pushing the front lines with you. Win or lose, it’s been awesome. /salute.

Fannwong Capslock

Hi guys,

Thanks so much for your thoughts.

In short, I am rooting for a system that splits up the zerg and gives incentive for the players not only to zerg but also to defend and fight in small groups. I really enjoy GW2 and hope that the developers will really take into consideration on how WvW can be made fun for small groups, solos and blitzballers alike.

Have a great week everyone.

FW

Hi guys,

I’ve been reading Sablin’s post (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Easy-fix-to-reduce-WvW-zerginess/first#post1652422) amongst others about the use of zergs in WvW. In Tier 1, the evolution of warfare has made 60+ man blitzballs or murderballs a common place in the last 1 month. This is due to lack of collision, AOE limits, boons, etc and other game engine design.

This unfortunately is a natural evolution in warfare and it’s unavoidable. Please note I am not stating that it’s a good thing, I am stating that this was inevitable.

I have a suggestion to change this. Please bear with me.

I was on another medieval/fantasy game where they tried for years to reduce zerging in RvR or WvW. The end game was a city raid where 4 big zones were required to be captured to get to the raid.

In the end, there was a method they used that thinned out the zerg with regards to zone capping. The developers decided that ALL objectives (4 camps and 2 keeps) in the zone had to be captured and held for 10-15 minutes for the zone to capped.

This type of gameplay also gave the weaker faction a chance to stop the zone cap by focusing their forces to take a camp, etc. It gave the weaker faction hope that a smaller force could hold/delay the stronger faction for some time.

This worked so well that one faction’s zerg leader left the game for good because it fundamentally changed the game play. They couldn’t use one big zerg to cap the zone anymore. The faction with better coordination between 6+ medium sized groups helped.

What do you guys think? Was there another WvW/RvR based game that solved this issue? Perhaps there could be some way that PPT could be earned or adjusted using this type of model.

FW

Disclaimer: I speak for myself as a GW2 player, not for my guild.

Hello,

I play at the time when FOO, Merc, ND and other major guilds are out in full force. I have nothing but the deepest respect for all the guilds in JQ and BG.

However, with FOO their ability to focus 60+ man (this force includes other Taiwanese guilds like Fong Shen) on a single objective is beyond impressive. Their voice comms coordination along with the numbers and professional group composition make them nearly unstoppable. I think even with BG and SOR forces combined it’s plenty hard to stop them cold and force them to change maps.

I have fought along with guilds and militia from T8-T1 and have seen many foes. FOO + militia is probably the top 1% force in Asian Prime for NA servers.

FW

Hi there,

It’s highly unlikely a glass canon (or even a bunker thief with 20k health) can survive long in a organized zvz, the fights in T1-T3 have evolved dramatically since Nov-Dec, the DPS on the frontline has gone up, especially with 50+ man groups.

The thief commander cannot use mobility (KEY for thief survival) in the fight and he cannot port because people will lose sight of the icon, and once the soldiers lose sight of the icon they stop following and focus on whatever is closest.

If the commander goes down during a fight it’s not good for militia morale. Pug morale is highly instinctive and primal, the longer the commander stays up, the more powerful the commander is perceived to be (of course I am assuming the commander is also competent in leading). If the commander goes down often (with thieves, full bunker or otherwise) it’s a lost in morale with militia and guildies alike.

Squibbles.8724:

Agreed, those are the true definition of zergs – unorganized willy nilly chaos.

Try that in a fight against an organized guild group and you’ll get smushed.

Personally, I hate following any commander who isn’t a walking tank. The commanders role isn’t really to dish out damage. Their primary role is to scope the battlefield, decide upon tactics, dictate group movement, call for coordinated group actions, etc. you need to have a ton of survivability to do that; the more time you’re spending trying to stay alive/dps, the less time you’re thinking about the battlefield as a whole.

Mr Squibble is absolute spot on about commander duties. DPS is the last thing on a commander’s mind.

Krakah.3582:

If you plan on small ops with a tag then glass + high mobility is fine. Also since no one has mentioned it yet, blue hats render first so expect to be focused. Thus leading into large fights you want as much survivability as possible.

Mr Kraka is also spot on about small ops (5mans+), your team will need all the dps you can get, but even with that full glass canons usually go down fast.

FW

Hello Jahn,

Aye, SOR Asia/Oceania has fighting spirit despite the obscene odds on Asian primetime. I am truly encouraged and surprised. They are quick to adapt and are willing to learn new things quickly. With the addition of OCX guild, I do hope that the numbers will grow and morale bolstered.

However, looking at all the numbers in WvW Asian prime, it seems that numbers are dropping albeit slowly for all servers.

FW

Jahn.7019:

Veritas.4792:

Darkjoy.3092:

Great job tonight SOR! Looks like we might get a real 3 way fight on Bg this week!

If only SoR had some Oceanics/SEA.

Would be interesting, wouldn’t it.

I feel like SoR’s true potential has yet to be seen quite frankly. The fact they’ve come so far with so little coverage says a lot. Maybe they’ll get lucky in the near future and get some other like-minded oceanics/sea.