Guild Wars 2

Hello Brooklyn,

I am sorry to hear that your experience has been degraded. From my sources, JQ & BG had warchests to help WvW guilds transfer over to cover the time zones. That would been ok except that Anet decided to release a Living Story on the same day which drew in tonnes of PVE folks for AP. That itself caused a lot of queues on JQ, BG and SOR. Now with BG and JQ contending for No.1 I think the scenario in JQ will not change.

What might help is that you watch the PPT scores (of all the different matchups) during your prime time, if all 3 servers have roughly the same scores it means that it’s roughly balanced fight.

FW

Brooklyn.9578:

From the launch of the game to now, were the WvW expectations met?

Am I wrong to see it now as a larger version of the PVP meta game. Just everyone going clockwise on the map flipping towers for the most part? I’ve see a couple (2) ,defenses on Bay recently but then we already owned 95% of our borderlands and the attackers had no chance as we are able to port in for the block so easily while they were on outer gate up the hill.

I’d love to have an opinion on EB but since the season started I haven’t been able to access it at all. I try every day and wait for hours before giving up. It’s always full 24 hours a day. Maybe because I’m on JQ.

Am I missing some option here for getting better action? Another server? lowpop? where getting steamrolled might be a new experience. Hopefully there’s some middle ground.

Also I noticed alot of people I used to see are just not there anymore…frustrating.

Hi UnrepentantProcrastinator,

For the record, I have never trolled in any MMO forums from Warhammer Alliance, GW2 & Guru forums.

Also, thank you Xenesis for your insight and input, I really appreciate it.

To Kanderous, thanks for keeping our Garry lol. ZDs and friends were hammering on it since 1130pm (GMT +8) and most of the asian guys had to go to bed. Welldone.

Again, to all the servers out there be rest assured that with the formation of the WvW Committee, that Sanctum of Rall WvW has never been and will never be focused about making PPT (though it is important) because it involves a big percentage of people playing over time. Now, to the BG folks please don’t get me wrong, I am not making any judgements on BG’s focus on zone coverage and PPT, in fact I have admiration for your tactics and strategy, but that model doesn’t work for SOR’s community and way of life.

Having fun with the community is 1st priority, PPT work is 2nd priority

FW

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Rebound.3409:

Also this thread is like making self-mockery of your own situation.

I know, right? When I first read it I thought Fannwong flipped and started trolling his own server. Seems like he’s serious though.

Hello Zikory,

Due to the huge influx of new WvW members when the league started, we were watching and waiting to see if there were issues to be dealt with especially with the big T1 push for placings. We needed to see if Anet’s goal was aligned with ours. As most of the folks outside of SOR know, we are not about playing overtime to catch up with PPT. Most SOR folks will play within safe limits of their timezone.

After the 1st week, Indo was consulted and we agreed that it would best to take the burden of strategic WvW planning off his shoulders. We as the community felt it would be best that administrative duties and direction be handled by the WvW guild leaders instead of laying the responsibility on one person. We also feel that this relieves some of the bigger guilds the burden of leading the server, which might lead to burnout.

Case in point, one of the aims is to keep the team/map chat and TS clean of negativity. (TS with drunk folks on Fridays are ok, not an issue). This has always been an SOR trait and with the big influx of new folks, we have to share the burden of making sure things are kept this way. After an internal survey, we find that most SOR are family oriented and they appreciated a positive atmosphere of play.

Also, the guilds that are working together in the committee have agreed on a flexible forum policy for SOR.

Lastly, we have been receiving enquiries from guilds and members from other servers so we thought it would be best to release the information quickly.

I hope this answers your questions.

FW

Zikory.6871:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Zikory,

Thanks for your query. The SOR WvWers were informed about the formation of the Committee but as Yaro has indicated we had to issue a press release to the communities at large as the formation of the Committee is a important step in the evolution of SOR WvW community.

FW

Zikory.6871:

Hi Fannwong,

May I ask what are the reasons for posting this here on the official forums when you have your server forums that may be more fitted for this type of discussion. Why is it necessary that this is public out side of SoR?

Thanks for the response Fannwong,

Why do you feel the press release was necessary? I would assume its to change SoR for the better and move in a new direction. What events took place to prompt SoR to go in this direction and why now?

Hello Zikory,

Thanks for your query. The SOR WvWers were informed about the formation of the Committee but as Yaro has indicated we had to issue a press release to the communities at large as the formation of the Committee is a important step in the evolution of SOR WvW community.

FW

Zikory.6871:

Hi Fannwong,

May I ask what are the reasons for posting this here on the official forums when you have your server forums that may be more fitted for this type of discussion. Why is it necessary that this is public out side of SoR?

Hello Yaro,

Apologies, it’s an oversight on my part, I just got my new role today.

FW

Yaro.3251:

Can I see your server representative papers Fannmong?

“NOTE: My views are mostly my own, I do not speak for the server.” Hmm ohhkaayyy…

For Immediate Release 9 November 2013

Announcement of SOR WvW Committee

SOR Server, a Tier 1 WvW focused server is pleased to announce the formation of the SOR WvW Committee. This committee is set up to ensure the Rallian way of WvW.

It is by the community for the community. Everyone in the committee has equal rights and equal voice. Every guild represented shall have a voice to place their concerns and opinions.

Amongst other WvW focused administrative duties, this committee will be in charge of of WvW direction and the strategic meta-game for SOR. Indo our dear leader continues to serve in the community as Speaker of the House.

Have a great week everybody.
FW

Hello Atrophied,

There will always be detractors no matter how you lead, even if you are best commander in any game there will be that 1% who don’t agree and voice it out. This is a game, not army.

Put them on /ignore. Seriously. It works and it’s wonderful.

No point disappointing 99% of the silent majority who support and love you. If you decide to leave WvW because of the 1% it’s your ego talking, not your head. Becareful, there’s a life lesson in there somewhere.

FW

Atrophied.8725:

Commanding a large group of people is hard work. If I’m tagged up and start getting nonconstructive flak from the people I’m leading, then you bet your kitten I’m untagging and running a guild group instead. If you have suggestions, phrase them that way. I respond in kind. If you’re insulting me, why should I put up with that?

Hello Kiff,

Just FYI, BG NA won the ppt before ZDs arrived and we were not losing or were you suggesting that SOR was 2v1 BG with TC? I am completely fine if you insisted to put two different situations in same plate.
———————————

I am sorry but I really don’t see the relevance this statement in our discussion. Bringing information/details out of the discussion doesn’t help us continue in working to understanding each other.

Speaking of arms racing, would you mind to let us know the exact hours IRON and other SOR guilds are going to do overtime/early raid? I agree we totally have to help all T1 servers.
———————————

I am not sure if this is sarcasm. I really meant that I said.

As for personal attacks, it means you think that is a bad thing I don’t think it is very nice for you to say that :P I thought that was a compliment saying that you really showed you belonged to a nation. Apology if that offended you.
———————————

I don’t understand this, are you being sarcastic? Also, “Apology if that offended you” is not an apology. It should go “I apologize for offending you”.

To the rest of the readers I am sorry I can’t continue the conversation as I find it difficult to understand Kiff. I will cease this particular conversation thread. I was hoping to have a fruitful discussion but I don’t think it’s possible.

FW

Kiff.8157:

First of all, this was how I felt. I was there when WM joined us and it really boosted our low morale after being 2v1 (you may check mos). I believe Jang was just as excited as we were. Please bear in mind, every server will be excited when new guild transferred to help include the guild members themselves. Winning was the only way to rebuild our morale at that time. I hope you get what I meant now.

Yes I do thanks. I will have to answer your post in part.

Kiff.8157:

Second of all, korean is GMT +9 if I am not wrong. Failed to see that assuming korean folk would raid during EU timezone everyday forever and ever and ignored the facts that it was only a temporarily effect is not our fault that you recruited IRON and made them pvdoor (I assume you tried finger pointing at BG and WM for causing all of this EU pvdoor in the first place).

Going by the same logic, could you let us know how long ZDs will play out of their timezones? Just so we can have some hope of slowing or stopping the arms race even further. BG NA and OCN have been extending hours for the last few months and the rest of T1 suspects that this will continue till the season ends. If you can clarify BG guild’s extension of playtime that will help all all the T1 servers.

Do bear in mind that Jang Gun (and the rest of WM and militia) played from 1am to 7am (Korean time) for 2 weeks, so can we safely assume that playing out of normal time zones will be 3-6 months (not “everyday forever and ever”) going by the same logic again.

Kiff.8157:

This kiasu characteristic you totally showed has now changed my view of you and thank you for telling me it was because of a korean guild that you invited IRON an EU guild.

Please don’t go ad hominem, it’s extremely rude and uncivil. Please refrain from personal attacks and stick to the discussion or else we will not have a common ground to discuss. Even when I was talking to Karp (sorry Karp I have to quote you because you are courteous even in PMs, I appreciate that we can communicate like mature adults) we could have a hot discussion without going personal. 2 things to clarify:

1. I’ll repeat myself so that it’s clearer. It’s not just about a Korean guild, there’s also militia and other guilds from Kaineng that followed Jang. As I stated, it was one of the key reasons, not the only reason.

2. The other 56% was HB an EU guild that was pushing BG’s EU. So it wasn’t just the KN transfers.

Kiff.8157:

Anyways, the point is Tarkus still plays during early EU. Like SOR had previously pointed out that they were not pvdooring because Tarkus was there to stop them. The same thing I will repeat to you.
Thanks for sharing.

Noted.

FW

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks for clarifying. 2 things:

1. IRON leader/commander Wrex is unwell. We really hope that she will recover soon. You know how one person can having influence so many, eg Smokee for BG EU & Jang’s WM exodus of SBI.

2. Tarkus has tremendous influence over many due to his diligence and success in tactics/strategy. But didn’t Tarkus leave BG because of the long hours in EU coverage? If so then JQ will not have a a strong leader/commander in EU no?

FW

Neuromancer.2148:

Fannwong.3059:

That was the reason why SOR welcomed IRON, BUT when IRON came Jang Gun (my old boss who’s on my friend list) left the game after 1-2 weeks. We were mystified as to why but when Jang left BG EU forces was about 46% less effective. Is that what you meant by PVDoor? I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of the term.

If you move a bit forward in history, you’ll see MERC running past SEA well into EU time. I would log off at 2 A.M (+8 GMT) and Tarkus would still be plugging away, bringing up our PPT to competitive levels and making everyone think that Blackgate had EU coverage.

This is also why I’m puzzled why IRON has been notably absent. I would see hordes of them during my usual raid hours, but perhaps they were also playing outside of their normal time and have now pulled back to raiding during their timezone’s more reasonable hours. Knowing how Blackgate’s phantom EU coverage worked, I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case.

Hello Kiff,

My apologies, I am not aware of forum wars. I tend to skip some of the posts as I miss some of the nuance and humor as I am Asian and don’t really understand sarcasm.

I am observing WvW most of the time. If I remember correctly, when my old guild WM transferred with a large following of Kaineng folks they played in SEA time for about 1-2 weeks then mysteriously moved to EU time hitting JQ and SOR (12am to 6am GMT+8) with PPT of 300-500+. Please check the MOS data if you can, I’ve been looking at that for some time.

That was one of the key reasons why SOR welcomed IRON, BUT when IRON came Jang Gun (my old boss who’s on my friend list) left the game after 1-2 weeks. We were mystified as to why but when Jang left BG EU forces was about 46% less effective as Jang had a huge following with organized guild groups and militia/pugs. Is that what you meant by PVDoor? I am not familiar with the exact mechanics of the term.

FW

Kiff.8157:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Kiff,

I thought Tarkus was Oceanic, he told me that he lived in Oz.

ZD runs a very tight blitzball with a core of 30-40+ that is nearly unstoppable except in certain environments eg chokepoints and highly coordinated guild groups, the only group with that level of expertise from JQ that can beat ZD would be ATM/FOO. Not that I underestimate Tarkus/MERC but unless more JQ OCN/SEA groups change their open field tactics/ideology it will be plenty hard let alone match ZD numbers.

FW

LOL. Amazed how things could slip your mind so fast. More than one time in our history of forum war, BG whined about how SOR IRON faced no resistance during EU timezone and how SOR claimed that Tarkus was leading MERC and map blob besides HB/RK during EU timezone so it was all bs about IRON pvdooring.

Hello Kiff,

I thought Tarkus was Oceanic, he told me that he lived in Oz.

ZD runs a very tight blitzball with a core of 30-40+ that is nearly unstoppable except in certain environments eg chokepoints and highly coordinated guild groups, the only group with that level of expertise from JQ that can beat ZD would be ATM/FOO. Not that I underestimate Tarkus/MERC but unless more JQ OCN/SEA groups change their open field tactics/ideology it will be plenty hard let alone match ZD numbers.

FW

Kiff.8157:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Darkjoy,

Unfortunately Waha logs in about 7:25pm (GMT+8) and plays till about 12am (occasionally to 12:55am).

ZDs full turn out starts from approx 11:15pm that lasts for about 3-4 hours. Which is a dead zone for JQ and SOR. Unless JQ SEA plays till past midnight till 2am they will not be able arrest ZDs push.

FW

Darkjoy.3092:

The problem is JQ isn’t in our match ups. ZD will have the full force of Waha / Atm / Foo to log into every day

How could everyone forget about Tarkus?

Hello Darkjoy,

Unfortunately Waha logs in about 7:25pm (GMT+8) and plays till about 12am (occasionally to 12:55am).

ZDs full turn out starts from approx 11:15pm that lasts for about 3-4 hours. Which is a dead zone for JQ and SOR. Unless JQ SEA plays till past midnight till 2am they will not be able arrest ZDs push.

I sincerely hope that JQ and SOR can have folks to fight BG during that time zone but it’s highly unlikely.

FW

Darkjoy.3092:

The problem is JQ isn’t in our match ups. ZD will have the full force of Waha / Atm / Foo to log into every day

Hello Darkjoy & Kiff,

Kiff.8157:

Fannwong.3059:

4. I talk to some of your leaders like Karp (btw he’s a standup guy IRL) and he told me that you guys were solid 4 map queued early in the week. Perhaps you would like the correlate your info with him before posting erroneous data.

Apology to butt in. To support and in addition to what Necro said, he meant last night and we did not have queue on BGBL as well as SOSBL.
The 300+ppt of sor last for about 20 minutes or so I couldn’t recall correctly but over the night, SOR had very close ppt to BG.

I totally understand your point of view Kiff but I was worried that the statements made will give the casual reader a wrong impression of SOR population. I really had to clarify. TBH, I was surprised we met little resistance in BG BL but due to the many months of fighting BG we understood the low pop was 80-90% score related.

Darkjoy.3092:

Every time Fannwong post something , it makes me like SOR again! Gosh this is the guy they should of had shot calling instead of Indo all along. SOR would be unstoppable /nojoke

I am flattered but I’ll be honest with you, I arrived in SOR in late February this year and was guildless for a while, I finally settled in TW. Indo is my boss and I have nothing but the utmost respect for him, he’s changed quite a bit, even went teetotal.

FYI, I have no rank in SOR and I am not an officer, I serve mainly as a liaison for SEA with NA as I’ve spent a few years in Paris and have worked with different nationalities including the French, Americans and Germans. I am a Singaporean ethnic Chinese and I speak English, Mandarin and Hokkien so it helps a lot with the Taiwan/HK folks. I am not a full time commander so I am helping train new militia and support the great commanders like GA and Rai the Conquerer.

FW

Hello Neuromancer,

I am terribly sorry but I am afraid you are gravely mistaken about your data on SOR SEA PPT and coverage. A few points for clarification:

1. Please check how long the PPT lasted in MOS NA. It was for less than 2-3 ticks.

2. The SEA guys were about 15-20, and when we went to BG BL it had very few folks defending so we took kitten structures.

3. The reason being BG is a win-focused server (/notroll) and most of the organized folks were not there for the night because based on calculations SOR would not be able to catch up regardless. Btw, as I have stated in SOR map chat, I have no ill will towards your strategic and political maneuvers.

4. I talk to some of your leaders like Karp (btw he’s a standup guy IRL) and he told me that you guys were solid 4 map queued early in the week. Perhaps you would like the correlate your info with him before posting erroneous data.

5. Put point 2 & 4 together, it’s modus operandi for your organized forces to take time off to recuperate from running >6 hour shifts. It’s very tiring but it’s perfectly sound strategy. Again I have no judgement on BG for doing that, that is the way BG plays and I respect that.

That is why we have higher tick for a short time.

Also, SOR SEA training was small mans stuff, we were trying to get new WvW folks to work together, eg combo fields and watching for swords etc. I’ll be doing this every night, GMT+8 8pm-ish unless I have to tend to the family.

Have a great week everybody.

Best
FW

Neuromancer.2148:

Elano.2014:

Ah, so I get the mindset of a few BG people now. For all those deciding to transfer to BG – please do ask for them to pay 100% of your transfer fees.

@ Kiff: I’m not from NNK or TFV. But stir up drama? If those haven’t transferred here, BG would probably still dominate SEA. I guess that’s what you want, huh? Domination instead of good guilds to fight against.

- I think you completely misread the opinions of the people who have posted here, and overlooked the facts. No guild’s transfer fees have been fully covered. Everyone who moves, moves at their own expense. The community at Blackgate is willing to lend a helping hand and does so in good faith.

- This is a purely speculative point, which is actually easily debunked. SoR conducted SEA training last night and guess what? They easily took the PPT lead, and this is with Blackgate having two of four maps queued. That is a better indication of SoR’s SEA strength, which could easily be at 3.5 map queues.

Dear Rallians,

Thanks so much for restraining the troll posts, the PR department is grateful.

Also, for the folks who turned up in SEA time for militia training. Super fun and thanks for the wonderful turn out and team work. YOU GUYS DID GOOD TODAY, all the melees, mesmers, eles, rangers, thieves and scouts, well done.

For the BG militia and SOS [CNB] in EB and BG BL, thanks for the good fights. Formidable foes. /salute.

FW

I disagree that there are useless classes in WvW. Rangers and thieves are often targeted.

Ranger waterfield and entangle were used by my commander. With him I realized that every class was valuable, it’s really how each class can be utilized to maximum advantage.

One of the best scouts (Kasumi) in WvW is a thief and he’s pretty much unkillable. To a commander, a great scout is worth 30 soldiers.

It’s not only about group utility. It’s map utility. Every class can function in WvW when properly used.

FW

A shoutout to [ND] that the SOR militia faced last night in SEA time. Great melee ball and great fights. Much respect to your tenacity. Also much respect to to former Kaineng folks [CNB] who were fighting outnumbered vs BG and SOR. Good fights in SOS BL.

To the Rallians who are on during SEA time (GMT+8 8pm) onwards I will be continuing training with militia along with [PH] guild. Gear up and pop into TS where we’ll be conducting open field maneuvers. See you guys, all NA, OCN, SEA, EU guys and girls are welcome.

FYI there are very little or no queues atm so pop in early, we will work with whatever numbers we can. 2 nights ago we were in BG BL having a good time with [ZD] so we might have a different agenda today. Have a good week everyone.

And to the Rallians who rock day in and day out,

But we in it shall be remember’d;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,

NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER.

FW

To [ZDs] in BG BL. Good fight at water camp & briar choke. Really excellent melee ball. /salute.

FW

Could a kind soul in BG relay this to the [Omen] squad who were in SOR BL a few minutes ago. I’m requesting for a break. The SOR guys are mostly up leveled and its been a rough week. Bringing the BG elite guilds on a Friday night (SEA prime soon) makes it tough for the folks.

FW

Hello Titan,

Actually a few SOR guilds went to BG either before the season started or just after.

According to some folks on WvW, a few familiar SOR PVX names/guilds were appearing in BG. I was disappointed to find that out of course. However, this is a game and folks will go where they find enjoyment, no judgement on them.

For those who stayed to fight the odds. I salute you. I am not sure how the season will end nor what will happen in the next season, one thing is for sure, I will remember the names of my brothers and sisters who stood shoulder to shoulder to fight as friends.

I don’t want a win on different soil, I want to die and win with the community.

FW

Titan.3472:

Beannie.5982:

Cirus.5748:

How the virtual table is looking as we approach week 3

Actually, after seeing how SOR fared this week against BG, it can quite conclusively put the matches of BGvsSORvsrandom kitten points for BG and 3 for SOR. Thereby bringing confirmed points as follows:
BG: 25
JQ: 16
SOR: 17

Undecided points as potentially:
BG: 3-5
JQ: 6-10
SOR: 3-5 (likely 3)

The undecided matches being those of BGvsJQvsrandom and SORvsJQvsrandom.
In week 5, IF BG gets 1st against JQ, the result of week 7 will be a non issue, and BG will walk away with Number One.

We know.
I heard few SoR guilds are going to decide where to transfer over soon and leave T1, is that true?

Hello Kalla,

Everybody will feel the toxicity if it’s allowed to continue.

That’s partly the reason why I stayed in SOR. Team/Map chat is largely clean. It’s partly a result of community policing and mass reporting of folks (it does work, people get temp banned for verbal abuse) who verbally abuse other people on chat. SOR TS also has ground rules. It’s unfortunate we have to take a strong stance on civility but it creates a great environment for people to have fun. FYI, Shifty is really nice guy on team chat.

Last year, I was in another server where the folks would throw racist remarks against Asians almost nightly, it was unfortunate as those Asians were the ones helping out the server and giving their all. Rude/Uncivil folks in team chat and TS should not be tolerated, for the sake of the community.

FW

Kalla.4290:

Wolbryne.4037:

Kalla.4290:

Wolbryne.4037:

Doomdesire.9365:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

I wouldn’t consider transferring to a time zone with no native pop. justified. Also pretty peculiar for people who claim to play for the fights. Point is, IRON didn’t end up fighting Euros when they transferred (or anyone, for that matter. The new BG strat after IRON transferred was to exploit “Hawaiin time”). The match histories don’t lie. Luckily, HB got rezzed soon after.

Actually you’re wrong. The reason that we left desolation was because of two big reasons:
we became fed up with the server and it’s people. It was a very toxic enviroment filled to the brim with drama, insults, backstabbing and generally bad conduct. we pretty much carried the server and got nothing but crap thrown back in our faces. We had a community ts set up for everyone to use. they managed to ruin that too and cause drama over. we had an EB branch of iron that saw one of it’s highest officers steal everything we put in to the guild bank and go off create their own guild while spitting insults of the worst kind to wrex. they still send her whispers etc wishing her all the worst and death by different illnesses, like 12yo kids. we got worn out pulling mad hours week after week because the majority of desolations playerbase is 100% pve’ers who almost never went in to wvw. the list goes on. but all in all, we wanted away from there because of the drama, toxic enviroment and the lack of wvw participation.

reason two was Visuna. Iron wants fights. fighting is what we like to do. ppt is and always will be secondary to us. eu tier1 had gone incredibly stale. Visuna had an entire map blob but refused to come out of their keeps… EVER. they siege capped every tower and keep and had their entire force sit on arrowcarts 24/7. It was so boring we started crying blood. we wanted fights, so we left for NA.

The reasoning for picking SOR over any other NA T1 server was very simple and logical. Who had the shortest queues? Who faced the most enemies? Who had the biggest wvw guilds?
sor had no queues
sor faced the most enemies in wvw at any given time
bg had the biggest wvw guilds

so we went to the server where we would have no queues and be able to fight the biggest forces. as simple as that. we transferred to fight, not for ppt. our move was, as should be for any guild, for the good of the guild and it’s members.

Serious question, in an atmosphere that is described as toxic who are the ones who experience this? The guild leaders or the general populace. As a member of SoR’s general populace I have no idea what the mover and shakers guilds are doing nor if everyone gets along. I mean, TS is always cordial and friendly and seems to work well, there also there seems to be no real conflicts, so I guess am asking when a server becomes toxic does the general populace feel it or is it still confined to the to leaders?

Desolation’s wvw map chat was just a never ending scrolling of insults, flaming, name calling, whining and other spam. The general tone on TS was bad. The server meetings on TS was 99% drama and refusal to cooperate with one of the loudest voices refusing to hear anything wrex said because she’s a woman. LA map chat was full of hate and when asking for people to come help in wvw you were told to go have interactions of a sexual nature with yourself. It was just bad… very bad.

Wow, yea that is definably obviously toxic. I was just wonder who comes into contact with such behavior (I recently found out from my guilds commanders that commanding in WvW is just inviting a constant assault of insults) and I was wondering where this completely other, darker world existed that I had never experienced before was.

Hello,

The asian guilds can’t really stay longer as most are working adults so it’s pretty difficult to stretch pass our timezone as most of us have to get up early to go work (please note that I am not insinuating anything about other servers). Most have casual playtime with hardcore play styles. The focus has always been that.

FW

Liquid.9672:

Shifty.4985:

At this current time that is what im saying, ZDs primetime is during the switch of SEA -> EU which there are NO guilds to fight and so they coming here seems pointless because they will just PvD and from what EU sources ZDs dont want to PvD and so they will leave NA in a few weeks unless they are able to attract more competition from their timezone over which I highly doubt as we have already tried..

So yeah, enjoy being bored of rubbing faces onto keyboards onto doors i hope its really great fun for you guys..

No guilds? SONG, SAHP and NYS can’t stay up a bit later to hand off to IRON, AFTL, KISS and WIC (how come nobody mentions the WIC transfer to SoR?). Surely there are enough commanders across these guilds to run other players on the map through these zones. I know many BG NA commanders and players have been playing more often and longer to help hand offs into OCX and beyond. Our SEA has been hit hard with SUPR moving to SBI and our Thai friends having ISP problems, so LP has barely been able to play this week or at all.

Hi Starscream,

The SEA guys are still there. The main guilds are still running solid. We have enough forces to hold 2.5-3 maps.

Oceanic has been SOR’s weak spot historically (look at PPT). There are only a few commanders who play at the time zone and one of the key ones left the game 3-4 months ago. So some of the insomniac NA commanders have popped in once in a while.

FW

Starscream.7803:

Fade.7658:

Dis SoR lose some ocean/sea folk? Or have we been lacking there for some time? Trying to understand what’s going on, since I’m unable to log in for a bit.

I logged into WvW yesterday and asked the very same thing. It was a few IRON running with some NA, and that was it. I never got a reply so…………………………………………
and no one in IRON knows where they are either.

Hello Zhonnika,

Don’t put BG out of the picture. They are a genuine T1 server and they have always came back with a vengeance. With Cuddlepie and Karp leading for OCX/SEA they may very well have a strong push later.

FW

zhonnika.1784:

To be fair, it looks like SoR has an easy 3 weeks as well. They aren’t blowing out the match, but they don’t appear to be struggling to hold off BG. It looks like the JQ/BG/TC match two weeks ago.

Hello Smokee,

Do forgive me if I’m wrong but I’ve reread what Shifty wrote. I don’t think he meant 40man as small scaled in his statement. I’m Asian and my English is not the best but I’m pretty sure.

FW

Smokee.1754:

The Ajax.4967:

Smokee.1754:

Shifty.4985:

TheActualTruth, i dont understand what you’re trying to achieve here but firstly i was having fun fighting in small scaled up to 40man groups

In HB we call 1-3 roaming, 4-7 havoc, 8-12 small scale and 13+ a fighting force. Seeing you call a 40 man EU group small scale, makes me wonder how many you aim to have in the least played timezone on NA servers?

he said “in small scaled UP TO 40 man groups” so from 10-40 people

Yes so 40 man is in his world “small scale” so what is your point?

Also let me mess around with Shifty for a bit please. Im sure he’ll get his revenge ingame..

To BG, well played and well done, grats Karp. 1st win of the season is a great job. To JQ, much respect for putting up a great fight, especially JQ SEA. Have a great weekend all.

FW

Hi Shamski

The posters that have replied have excellent points of views. There’s also training in open field warfare that uses certain build, traits setup and tactical movements that will enable your group to handle 2-3 times your numbers. There are guilds like that in SBI, T1 servers, and a few others.

Incidentally, open field excellence have given some guilds the impetus to stay in GW2. It’s hard work when you are training but extremely rewarding.

FW

Hello KeeZee,

Before the leagues started we had information that besides getting [MERC] onboard JQ, [WvW] guild from TC SEA was leaving for JQ. We also lost [MUSA] main EB commander (along with his guild) to JQ. With Tarkus and [MERC] able to hit OCX/SEA/EU time, JQ was the new superpower. We really had no viable choice but to focus 70-90% on JQ to ensure SOR survival. The laws of strategic warfare dictates this procedure. I know that some of the senior high commanders might not approve of this information being out on official forums but I feel that we really need to clear the air.

FW

KeeZee.7312:

Kiff.8157:

KeeZee.7312:

gebrechen.5643:

That’s the way how it works. If SoR can’t get SBI they take BG. And as I said last matchup, BG and their fairweather guys weren’t online the whole week.
And SoR knows they will beat BG in their matchup because of their EU and OCX force.
BG will understand it some day.

As long as SoR takes first and JQ helps make it happen its all good.

You really are trying hard to suggest SOR to 2v1 BG so that JQ won’t get third.

Its obvious the BG/SoR aren’t gonna do anything but 2v1 JQ over some perceived rigging of the league.

If we are not gonna take first may as well decide who will get it. And since BG is the loudest QQ….gratz on the win SoR.

If SoR was smart they would be focussing on BG now.

Hello Tinoosh

You’re spot on.

Knowing when to attack or defend us the key for commanders. It’s plenty hard because it takes:

1. Scouting.
2. Knowing how the enemy commanders operate.
3. Knowing your own forces. The morale, loyalty, skill and numbers of your soldiers. A solid 20man can take out 3x bigger forces if trained well.
4. Terrain and siege.

This will take a long time and much patience for the commander to experience, learn and execute well.

FW

Tinoosh.5386:

What we lack, in my opinion, is offense, but at the right timing.

Hello Akaimon,

Aye, good running with familiar names. Hope to see you guys tonight again. Have a good week guys.

A shout out to SOS [CB] guild, tight train, great dynamics. Hope to see you guys tonight. /salute.

FW

akamon.2769:

dang, i missed those Mesmer drops. XDD best tower/keep defence, easily.

had a lot of fun following Fannwong last night! been a while buddy, always good to run with you.

then stuck around for some small fights as well. it’s been fun, SBI / SoS!

happy start to the leagues everyone.

Hello Nathan,

The shield warriors were likely running to join the main group. Those warriors/melee were likely group traited and geared with PVT, that’s why most wouldn’t want to engage because there’s no chance to 1v1 properly.

A 20-30 man team has a has a nucleus of PVT warriors/guardians that do no DPS but provide boons, cleansing, CC. That nucleus is key because it acts a disruptive group to break enemy formation and scramble the ranged backline. I noticed that more and more SBI groups are using that formation, that’s really good.

FW

Nathan Gura.3750:

Nyx Xox.3540:

This is probably the least enjoyable match up I have been in since being on SOS. The other T1 servers numbers seemed nothing to SOR’s. Maybe they were just split up more then SOR idk but kitten . I think my dream match up would be SOS/SBI/Mag

I’m playing on a low level thief and all I can say is HOLY SACTUM OF METAS!!! EVERY guard I’ve seen is running GS and EVERY warrior I’ve seen is running hammer/sword shield. I’ve never seen so many cowardly warriors!

Hello Miss Firesss & Andrew Clear.

I’ve been training with one of the SBI WvW guilds lately (2 weeks before the match-up) and I have relatively good relations with some of your commanders (Yulo & Star Player). I also have much respect for the [Abys] guild. I know how this can be done legitimately without hacking or using a 3rd party program.

Do drop me a message and I’ll organize workshop on where the AC can be placed for it to hit the right spots. /notrolling.

The reason why I am particularly concerned about accusations was because my ex-guild was accused of botting and a few of the commanders were auto-banned for no real reason. They were quickly unbanned but that really left a sour taste in the mouth. I want to assure you that a large part of SOR are honorable folks, the leadership do quite a bit of work to make sure that the community stays safe.

FW

Miss Firesss.3704:

We had people over there, they saw the ac’s. Argue all you want, we know what happened, and we were bummed.

Hello Immolator,

No, on the contrary most folks in WvW T1 are strongly encouraged to use high V/T stuff whenever possible, especially melee. Meta have shifted to high usage of condition damage users. There are generally no discriminatory remarks against different armor usage (even zerkers) unless there are folks who keep dying on incoming, Then we try to help the dude out a little.

FW

Immolator.5640:

At least the higher tier EU servers seem to be powered by full damage gear; Dezerkerlation since they were in T1 and haven’t grown out of it since, and when we were against Vizu last week I got added to a party and called a noob repeatedly from different players for running ‘tank’, whilst they angrily linked me cof armour.

Was wondering if this is prevalent in NA as well, or the higher tier EU I haven’t faced such as SFR?

To the SOS Commander and troops of Overlook in EB, I have nothing but the sincerest respect for you. The battle for Overlook that stretched 2 hours ending at 1130pm (GMT+8) was really tough. The tenacity and the never say die attitude of SOS soldiers are awesome. You guys never ever gave up and for that we salute you.

FW

I would like to endorse the SBI recruitment. The SBI folks that I’ve met and spoken to are polite and great people to play with. Have a good week SBI. For all the SG guys in SBI, much much huat-ness.

FW

Hello Commanders of SOR,

In view of the match up, we might need a change in the strategic play for the week for offensive/defensive play. Could I kindly request for the guilds that field 15/20 or more in the field to drop into http://www.sanctumofrall.com/ WvW section so that we can have a consensus on this issue. Thanks guys we need to settle it quickly so that the community can benefit as a whole.

FW

Hey Doom,

Was asked by old SBI mate (I was SBI-KN-SOR) Yulo to help workshop with a wvw focused guild in open field maneuvers and tactics. Truth be told, SBI has a lot of really good folks and leaders who are really keen in improving, really impressed with their dedication to the craft. Been helping for the last week or 2 on a 2nd account.

Also, thank you for the kind compliment but I am not the high sea commander, there are quite a number of folks that outrank me.

FW

Doomdesire.9365:

This is gonna be interesting, especially with SoR’s high SEA commander fannwong training those at SBI who asked for it

Hello Darx,

Much respect to MUSA. Muscles worked really hard in SOR. As most of the hardcore guild leaders have mentioned, Muscles would tag up and do his best to lead in EB where other commanders would not.

But as stated earlier by astute observers, Tarkus was one of the key leaders of MERC in OCN/SEA and hence BG Oceanic/SEA. He along with a hardcore MERC group formed the nucleus of an effective float team that gave BG its main PPT. BG still has a great population of OCN but without strong leadership it’s really hard to rally the militia.

FW

Darx.6798:

Why does there so much fuss on MERC transferring to JQ? MUSA went to JQ too but no one is talking about it. For all I know they might be the one contributing to JQ score.

Hello Brew,

You’re right. The commanders have told us that PPT = coverage and overtime, something that we found unconducive to having a healthy gaming atmosphere. WvWers are encouraged to play on their own time/pace and not worry about coverage. Hence, most guilds and militia are trained in openfield tactics and strats. Of all T1 servers SOR has the least wins vs JQ/BG.

I’ll be honest with you, JQ has the best coverage right now. They even have queues in Asian prime time on all 4 maps, something that BG and SOR do not have the luxury of.

FW

Brew Pinch.5731:

Zenyatoo.4059:

As someone who has actually played on all 3 servers.
Pve wise:
1. BG
2. JQ
3. SoR

WvW wise
1. SoR
2. JQ
3. BG

This is true of my experience as well.

However it may be important to note that while SoR wins a majority of individual battles, they rarely place first.
So if you’re only interested in winning the matchup, JQ is where to go as I believe they have received a lot of new guilds recently while BG has apparently lost one or more.

It’s a toss-up between the titan of the battlefield or the titans of coverage.

Hello Tarkus,

Please don’t take this as a personal attack but putting down your old server mates isn’t a good thing to do, regardless.

FW

Tarkus.4109:

mmzn.8201:

Having the best fights while your server is double team against one, thats wierd oO

Blame that on poor map control on BGs part – you don’t pull tails and don’t expect to get bitten.

To BG and TC, much much respect to the guys who came out to fight regardless, esp [ND], [WM] plus friends that pushed SOR BL last night. Some of us have said that if we didn’t have great opponents we would have left the game already. I sincerely hope BG can shore up the SEA numbers despite the departure of Tarkus and his company.

/salute to all the soldiers and commanders of BG & TC.

Have a great weekend everyone,
FW

Hello Kuora,

2-3 weeks back before Tarkus/MERC/MEOW exodus it was JQ>BG>SOR in terms of size (source, MOS PPT score). However, with the departure BG SEA is considerable weakened. The size is now JQ>SOR>BG for GMT+8 7pm-12am. BG still has strong forces in OCN time as evidenced by MOS PPT data.

FW

kuora.5402:

Neuromancer.2148:

gmanual.6519:

I don’t know, prioritising SoR Bay over 3 waypointed keeps in BG BL seemed a bit silly to me.

This statement only carries weight if we had options and the manpower to execute those options

Blackgate always has superior manpower over other servers apart from Asian timezone, everybody knows this and people denying it are delusional.

Hello Decklan,

I might be overstepping my boundaries, but I think I have to express my point of view.

There are prominent guilds in every server, the ones that indelibly shape the ethos and community through their words, decisions, actions and commitment. The militia and 90% of the WvW population look up to the leadership of the leaders. Even though this is a video game, loyalty and reputation crosses over from real life. The anonymity also makes it easier for folks to show their real nature, their real selves so to speak. Hence the feelings of betrayal is extremely painful.

I was in a guild whose guild leader unilaterally decided to leave. It started a chain reaction that ultimately lead to the demise of the server. I left with the guild because the guild was more important to me. But I still think about the PMs that people sent to us, those folks were hurt.

Some might argue that as individuals we decide how we want to play and nobody’s business but our own if we decide to do what might be technically ok but morally/ethically gray.

However, I think that no man nor woman can make a decision without having an impact on the lives of others, more so leaders. There is a shared responsibility about being woven into the fabric of the community, more so leadership.

FW

Decklan.7540:

Kiff.8157:

And that, do not let me see any of the MERC on the borderlands during SEA or EU timezone. If I have you down, I am gonna stomp you all with the big cow butt sitting on your face and me sitting on your body, dancing and laughing. It is not classy I didn’t do that before and I will not do that to anyone else except MERC and no remorse.

Wow, you must be a total blast to hang out with in real life.

“Hey, Kiff, want to go out for some drinks?”
“Sorry, I have to write this 10 page manifesto on how much I hate people I’ve never met because they pressed a few buttons to transfer to another server in a fantasy realm.”

Now that I think about it, the reason JQ has been in T1 for so long (dropping down to T2 a few times) is because we seem to be more fun-loving than any other PPT hunting server out there. I can’t recall anyone on JQ getting frustrated when TKG left, in fact I think most of us wished them well. An attitude like that is probably why they felt they could come back and no one would hold any ill-will towards them. I have a feeling if the MERC members that transferred wanted to go back to BG you guys would troll them and treat them with intense hostility.

Then again, it might also be that two of the most outspoken members on BG are Monsoon and Kiff. Maybe you guys should send them a message in game, as their numerous angry and troll-like posts cast a very poor light on the rest of you.

Hello ALTS,

You are one of the top EB commanders I know, the troops and I would be most honored to rally under your command again. /salute.

FW

Omnitek.3876:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Lenador,

My apologies, I can’t make a informed comment on DB NA & OCN. My main focus is SOR SEA so I don’t get to see much action in NA & OCN. I spend at most about 1hr+ in NA but this week has been a bit demanding on RL stuff so I only got to meet DB and FA SEA.

FW

Lenador.1436:

Fannwong.3059:

To the Asian/Oceanic fighters of DB and FA, we salute you for your guts and DAN-LIANG. Especially to [NKK] and [MEOW], you have respect from SOR SEA for coming in spite of the odds. /RESPECT.

FW

T.T y dun the rest of the time zones dun get respect

Hello Renmei, I heard that [MUSA] Ugly Fied/Molasses moved to JQ. We sincerely wish him the best, he always tried his best to rally the troops.

renmei.3102:

I heard a certain SoR guild that apparently no one likes was offered 10k xD

Awe, he moved? I may just start commanding again to honor his memory. Maybe break out the old pug whispering skills and herd cats again.

Hello Lenador,

My apologies, I can’t make a informed comment on DB NA & OCN. My main focus is SOR SEA so I don’t get to see much action in NA & OCN. I spend at most about 1hr+ in NA but this week has been a bit demanding on RL stuff so I only got to meet DB and FA SEA.

FW

Lenador.1436:

Fannwong.3059:

To the Asian/Oceanic fighters of DB and FA, we salute you for your guts and DAN-LIANG. Especially to [NKK] and [MEOW], you have respect from SOR SEA for coming in spite of the odds. /RESPECT.

FW

T.T y dun the rest of the time zones dun get respect

Hello Renmei, I heard that [MUSA] Ugly Fied/Molasses moved to JQ. We sincerely wish him the best, he always tried his best to rally the troops.

renmei.3102:

I heard a certain SoR guild that apparently no one likes was offered 10k xD

To the Asian/Oceanic fighters of DB and FA, we salute you for your guts and DAN-LIANG. Especially to [NKK] and [MEOW], you have respect from SOR SEA for coming in spite of the odds. /RESPECT.

FW

Hello Zeke,

I hope this is just a rumor/trolling attempt. MERC is literally the backbone of BG. For Tarkus and MERC to leave, it would be catastrophic. And JQ will become the new super server with unmatched Oceanic & SEA.

FW

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Kiff.8157:

renmei.3102:

Kiff.8157:

woot~ merc is going to JQ?

Whoa wut? I hope this isn’t a troll O.o

the biggest attempt of trolling in my entire pvf career. but who knows

oh man please tell me your trolling…

I concur that BG Asian time zone needs help vs JQ. Formidable foes. /salute

FW

Hello Thurin,

Thurin.5610:

its, take ATM + GE + FB and the lol WvW and wipe to SOR upleveled Karma train

Calling [WvW] ‘lol’ is not a good thing to do, they are honorable opponents in JQ. I knew them as hardcore elements from [SOS] guild in Kaineng. They are good folks who were deciding between TC and SOR some time back. They chose TC but they have transferred to JQ. BG and SOR folks are a bit disappointed as JQ SEA has almost all maps covered. With the 30-40 transfers JQ SEA will be a full 4 map force.

I had exchanged information with them during their time in TC advising them on some matters and have kept in touch with some of their folks, but I was surprised at their move. Nonetheless, I hope they will fit into the T1 scene well. So even though I have informed one of my [WvW] contacts that we will seek them out in the battlefield to test their mettle, please be assured that it is nothing personal.

Shifty.4985:

i hope SUPR had a nice warm welcome from the SoR karma map blob

SUPR is by headed by CA GL. They are not a new guild in BG. BG SEA now has approx 20-30% less numbers than 2 weeks ago and the PPT is telling.

FW