Guild Wars 2

Hello Peetee,

I am not sure if you were there in SOR’s SEA and EU. Prior IRON’s move to SOR, WM and militia were running 400-500ppt in EU time for a few weeks. After IRON moved over, SOR’s EU forces were galvanized and WM soon left EU and SEA prime.

For ZDs, it was unfortunate that IRON’s commander was hospitalized soon after. I wouldn’t blame ZDs for doing what they set to accomplish for the season.

FW

Apologies to Choc, I don’t mean to ruin your thread. Congrats on BG’s Season 1 win, you’ve earned it.

Peetee.9406:

SoR dominated Tier 1 when IRON showed up and had no competition.
BG dominated Tier 1 when IRON went awol and ZDs had no competition.

WvW is in a sad state of affairs when 1 Euro is worth about 20 NA. Who remembers when Ruin left ET and dominated Euro ladder for a month because they had no competition. Its really pathetic that were all at whim of guilds that would rather PvD than fight against other players.

WvW is won by cowards.

Hello Maelwaedd,

Thanks for writing. Karp has clarified his statement and it’s duly noted.

FW

Maelwaedd.5842:

Hey Fannwong

What Karp is saying is true, leading into Leagues BG had 3 consecutive losses, against both SoR and JQ, and no other server had lost a major guild for a while

BG had to re-organise and recover from that

yes historically BG has more wins than losses against SoR but both JQ and SoR had gained guilds before leagues while BG lost them, both SoR and JQ had a morale edge on BG which BG had to counter and reverse

as a side note, it wasnt until week 6 of leagues(week 47 MOS) that BG has faced a matchup which didnt involve either JQ or SoR if not both since the end of Feb (week 8 MOS)

Hello Magikarp,

Noted. Thanks for clarifying that it was 2+ weeks before the leagues because some folks might believe the statement to be historically, ie since Jan/Feb2013 BG and SOR stepped into T1.

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

Fann I said prior to the leagues as in the two matches where we 1v1’d SoR and JQ, not talking historically just the situation after losing TKG + half of MERC which SoR/JQ both going into the leagues and week one had given BG no chance of winning at all.

Hello Magikarp,

I have to correct you on this, nothing personal. Please be reassured that I am not trolling you as I have respect for you.

I do not doubt that BG has really dedicated folks who are focused on winning and overcoming the odds but BG has had massively more wins over SOR rather than what you’ve stated. The numbers are in MOS. Do rework your statement if possible.

Also, prior to the leagues, your leadership mentioned that the reason why BG lost to JQ was due to the rest period before embarking full force on Season 1. If I may ask, was it due to resting or being the underdogs of T1?

FW

MagiKarp.8201:

Prior to the leagues we lost to both SoR and JQ by massive margins but the Seasons provided BG a cause to fight for, Blackgate rallied to the call and fought hard winning 7-0 undefeated champions of NA Season 1.

@ OMEN at Asian Prime. Good fights in BG BL water camp @ 1030pm GMT+8. Taught the new Rallian militia a few lessons. Thank you.

FW

I concur. You will find good fights in SOR and SOS for WvW. I can’t vouch for PvE stuff, apologies. What time zone are you running?

FW

Hello Phys,

The issue here is that WvW is part war and part game.

The “war” analogy can be applied to the way the maps are played, the tactics and strategy used. What you said is spot on. There’s no such thing as even numbers to bring in a map.

However, if a server in the tier chooses overwhelm the competition by having forces in time zone where the other servers aren’t able compete then that server would win BUT at the risk of having the other servers getting demoralized to a point where people leave the server, wvw or the game itself. That would be bad for everyone because the winning server would have less people to fight. It’s a lose-lose situation for everyone in the long term.

FW

phys.7689:

MRA.4758:

NargofWoV.4267:

When is having TOO many people wanting to participate in your game ever a BAD idea?

It is, if success in your game relies on training and building up strategies and tactics that (almost) every player knows and adheres.

Just imagine a soccer game (or this American kind of football thing where balls are carried with hands, if your prefer) where, during the finals, not the competing teams are sent on the field to earn the cup, but for every side the first 11 people in the stadium that happen to enter the field once the gates open. And then mix in an achievement mechanism that only rewards the player that is holding the ball. This surely must turn out to be high-quality skillful game-play, indeed.

~MRA

but this is war, imagine your villages fate was partially determined by the number of people willing to fight for it. Imagine if your village was rich enough/smart enough/skilled enough/populus enough they could get things of value.

Imagine by building up your villages fighting prowess you could win things

This is what world versus world is meant to simulate. Your town versus theres, your strengths versus theirs, its not supposed to be an even match like football, or soccer. (thats spvp) Its supposed to be your community versus their community. One of the main issues in US is server isnt seen as your community by many.

Hey Svarty!! You’re totally right lol.

@ Peetee, I hear you.

Indo’s my GL and I have a lot of respect for his effort and work even though he’s not perfect. Then again, who is?

FW

Svarty.8019:

It’s nice to see the Badlands Order boys still have the same attitude!

Thank you Ethan for your support. And thank you for standing arm in arm.

See you all on the battlefield.

FW

Foghladha.2506:

Well said FW. Ild eather have 20 of these than 80 karma farming fair weather players. I salute all who stand against all odds and bring the fight regardless of the score.

Hello LoneWolfie,

To be fair, as we have mentioned earlier, ZD approached SOR/IRON who told them for competition it might be not be good for them to go SOR otherwise it would have been a steamroll.

Unfortunately, Wrex fell ill and ZD went BG. So we lost a commander in EU while BG had a 50+ guild running form the deadzone to EU. Perfect storm.

FW

LoneWolfie.1852:

Not sure what adversity BuyingbreadGate had when they had ZDS to pvd every night… It could have been fun and close if they didn’t recruit that guild, heh.

To the folks in the servers who stayed

To those who fought in spite of the odds

To the ones who fought shoulder to shoulder

Those who looked past the achievements

Those who did not consider the rewards

The brothers and sisters who never gave up

Those who never bowed to tyranny and oppression

The ones who ninjaed Stonemist while outnumbered

To the hardcores, the fighters, the outmanned

We who live, breathe and die in WvW, salute you

NEVER GIVE UP, NEVER SURRENDER

FW

Hello all,

I think Anet could not finalize the reward until they had feedback from the WvW community.

The rewards are such because it is about Anet’s bottomline, which is cash.

If Anet gave too much a good reward, it would encourage even more stacking on the top server of the league, even after the 1st week, just so folks can finish their achievements.

This will encourage gem sales BUT this will not be good long term because this will increase attrition rates from all other lower pop servers.

Hence the rewards. I think Anet is seriously looking at whether there will be a Season 2 and if so how they can rework the mechanics/meta.

FW

Congrats BG for Season 1 win. /salute.

ZD, good fights.

FW

Hello,

I have to assume that you are not a mesmer. The most extreme distance a mesmer can portal is the length of a maxed zoomed in mini map. It can be done for Bay out to immediate Bay inner. If you would like, drop us a PM in SEA time so we can demonstrate.

FW

Evilliquorz.1360:

Nice Hacked portal [AT] ! , u guys can portal from outter south bay to lordroom at BGBL

GG

Hello Divine,

Corruption removes boons by per tick so it’s not all at one go.

Also, a great driver can out maneuver the those wells given a big enough area. End of the day all builds being equal more or less, driver is key. Case in point, Scarx.

FW

DivineBeing.2086:

Ahmrill.7512:

Straegen.2938:

Two healing staff/hammer guardians and three shout/banner/hammer warriors in each party. Take 3-4 parties and watch everything melt.

And that pretty much sums up the state of class balance.

And watch 5 necros melt that entire party in one big Well of Corruption bomb.

GG.

Hey Steven,

I think you misunderstood me. I know who ALTS is, I have a lot of respect for his commanding.

I have a friends/followers list. And I pop into NA, OCN, SEA, early EU time to play/discuss and I don’t see ALTS on the list so that’s why I wrote as such. However, I am glad to see him concerned. We need more folks like this, who are willing to be part of the effort to grow the community.

FW

Steven Chow.6823:

Omnitek.3876:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Omnitek,

I am not sure what you are driving at. There’s no coverup. Here’s the link, it’s plain out in the open, we are offering assistance to guilds wanting to transfer over. No secret.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/T1-SOR-WANTS-HARDCORES/

Yes, the committee has changed the “not buying guilds” stance because a majority of the guilds represented said go ahead. On how the committee is represented it’s been repeated many times through channels and server reset meetings. Again, there’s no secret. No high/war council, it’s just a simple setup of committee to help the community and Indo has given his blessings and still remains the Speaker.

I am sorry that you feel excluded. Hope to see you in game more often.

Take care
FW

Omnitek.3876:

Question, since SoR is now collecting donations for “assistance packages” (translation: buying guilds) do I, being a SoR player, get to die laughing at the “we dont buy guilds” we still spew out of our collective server mouths?

Or, since only certain people are invited to the “comittees” that make server decisions, am I not supposed to talk about it?

Pls respond,
Concerned SoR citizen

Hi fan!

My name is A L T S. Maybe you have seen around a few times. I play every, single night in wvw. I would like access to the forums where you all have your discussions.

Thanks.

I can personally vouch for ALTS, he’s an excellent tactical TSYM necro commander back in the days. Can ask Bashido (OP of this thread) if you don’t believe me.

Hello Omnitek,

I am not sure what you are driving at. There’s no coverup. Here’s the link, it’s plain out in the open, we are offering assistance to guilds wanting to transfer over. No secret.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/T1-SOR-WANTS-HARDCORES/

Yes, the committee has changed the “not buying guilds” stance because a majority of the guilds represented said go ahead. On how the committee is represented it’s been repeated many times through channels and server reset meetings. Again, there’s no secret. No high/war council, it’s just a simple setup of a committee to help the community. Indo has given his blessings and still remains the Speaker.

I am sorry that you feel excluded. Hope to see you in game more often.

Take care
FW

Omnitek.3876:

Question, since SoR is now collecting donations for “assistance packages” (translation: buying guilds) do I, being a SoR player, get to die laughing at the “we dont buy guilds” we still spew out of our collective server mouths?

Or, since only certain people are invited to the “comittees” that make server decisions, am I not supposed to talk about it?

Pls respond,
Concerned SoR citizen

Hello Zeke,

Thanks for the kind compliment of TW, I enjoy the tactical gameplay and mindset of the leadership very much. I am a kitten with competent WvW leadership and direction in a guild.

I have not played League of Legends unfortunately. I played Warhammer, it’s very similar to GW2’s WvW in style, but not in form/function.

About small mans play like WAR, let say if PPT was dependent on holding X number of camps and Y number of keeps (for a lack of examples), a small 10 man could possible disrupt PPT by taking a camp short of X. That would give the smaller faction a fighting chance. That was how Warhammer was done. Of course if the enemy could fill every objective with 20+ man that would be on rare occasions (which was Waha/Wawa of JQ). And even with that nobody complained about zergs vs small mans.

FW

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Zeke,

I will assume that you are not trolling.

The game used a mix of objectives and kills to ‘cap a zone’. The formula was adjusted over a period of months. 99% of players never complained about zone caps or how it was done. I was on an ozzie server and EVERYBODY played the same meta, the solo cappers, small mans, guilds (including DiE, TRF, TKG, etc) and zergs. Every type of player was involved in the meta the developers set.

Even when one side was outnumbered, a small group of 5-10mans could prevent a zone cap, it brought some level of fairplay for outnumbered faction.

Btw the reason why the other game failed was due to buggy end game (worst sin), not the capture/ppt mechanics.

FW

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Peetee,

I concur.

There was a 2008 RvR game with the same mechanic (it failed on other counts) but essentially you couldn’t cap the zone if there weren’t enough enemy players to defend. It also had kill spam and shared wxp for kills (meaning that it encouraged more solo kills). And a 400% wxp for severely outmanned. If Anet could implement this it would encourage more folks to spend time in outmanned maps.

Welldone BG, for winning Season 1. You played the meta to the ultimate end.

FW

Peetee.9406:

dooger.2640:

Maybe we make a set of real wvw servers without seasons, that also show player names and kill counts in zones. If you take an empty keep you get nothing.

Hire this guy, he gets it.

and how would you measure the winner then? how will you put objectives on such map that will keep players coming back? if you say by most kills then im sure spam 1 during zerg fights who spammed 1 the most wins, or people will just go nuts on aoe builds.

nope not trolling, just asking what you think would be the basis for such gameplay and what would keep people from playing it. i understand your point but also when we say WVW it means zerg, what your saying is also still possible today with 8-10man can defend a tower or keep even prevent a zerg, TW is known for one of the best defenders i have ever come across.

so somewhere your saying is like the gameplay similar to that of League of Legends dominion?

Hello SFShinigami,

I stand by my information and sources. Do check my history in GW2 forum and Guru, I don’t troll and I don’t lie. A few people in game know me IRL as a trainer, so I am particular about my reputation and standing.

As of today, Waha has been missing in action for the last 2weeks+, a few commanders have confirmed this also. Tati (Rusalka) has yet to reply me after I told to her to check her own ATM forum.

Let’s agree to disagree. I hope he will be back after Season 1. As I said earlier, we 3 servers need each other.

FW

SFShinigami.2015:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Akamon,

They are not ganging up.

I’ve done some research on SOR forum history.

Rallians have done a lot of trolling in the last 10-11 months in the GW2 forums. This sentiment is shared by many across the NA servers. Some even put SOR as No.1 forum trolls beating Maguuma much to my dismay as the trolls here don’t reflect the community at large. I am perplexed too TBH.

FW

akamon.2769:

hey now, stop ganging up on my server!
you.. you big bullies! that’s.. that’s not very nice, you know.

Yeah like that guy who keeps claiming Waha is quitting despite repeated confirmations he isn’t. Hate that guy. He needs to go to bread.

Hello Akamon,

They are not ganging up.

I’ve done some research on SOR forum history.

Rallians have done a lot of trolling in the last 10-11 months in the GW2 forums. This sentiment is shared by many across the NA servers. Some even put SOR as No.1 forum trolls beating Maguuma much to my dismay as the trolls here don’t reflect the community at large. I am perplexed too TBH.

FW

akamon.2769:

hey now, stop ganging up on my server!
you.. you big bullies! that’s.. that’s not very nice, you know.

Hello Zeke,

I will assume that you are not trolling.

The game used a mix of objectives and kills to ‘cap a zone’. The formula was adjusted over a period of months. 99% of players never complained about zone caps or how it was done. I was on an ozzie server and EVERYBODY played the same meta, the solo cappers, small mans, guilds (including DiE, TRF, TKG, etc) and zergs. Every type of player was involved in the meta the developers set.

Even when one side was outnumbered, a small group of 5-10mans could prevent a zone cap, it brought some level of fairplay for outnumbered faction.

Btw the reason why the other game failed was due to buggy end game (worst sin), not the capture/ppt mechanics.

FW

Zeke Azul Falcon.5176:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Peetee,

I concur.

There was a 2008 RvR game with the same mechanic (it failed on other counts) but essentially you couldn’t cap the zone if there weren’t enough enemy players to defend. It also had kill spam and shared wxp for kills (meaning that it encouraged more solo kills). And a 400% wxp for severely outmanned. If Anet could implement this it would encourage more folks to spend time in outmanned maps.

Welldone BG, for winning Season 1. You played the meta to the ultimate end.

FW

Peetee.9406:

dooger.2640:

Maybe we make a set of real wvw servers without seasons, that also show player names and kill counts in zones. If you take an empty keep you get nothing.

Hire this guy, he gets it.

and how would you measure the winner then? how will you put objectives on such map that will keep players coming back? if you say by most kills then im sure spam 1 during zerg fights who spammed 1 the most wins, or people will just go nuts on aoe builds.

Hello Peetee,

I concur.

There was a 2008 RvR game with the same mechanic (it failed on other counts) but essentially you couldn’t cap the zone if there weren’t enough enemy players to defend. It also had kill spam and shared wxp for kills (meaning that it encouraged more solo kills). And a 400% wxp for severely outmanned. If Anet could implement this it would encourage more folks to spend time in outmanned maps.

Welldone BG, for winning Season 1. You played the meta to the ultimate end. /notroll.

FW

Peetee.9406:

dooger.2640:

Maybe we make a set of real wvw servers without seasons, that also show player names and kill counts in zones. If you take an empty keep you get nothing.

Hire this guy, he gets it.

Hello Hints,

No, BG doesn’t have a weak point at this moment.

BG leadership knows that the transition zones (NA-OCN, OCN-SEA, SEA-EU) are opportune times to gain PPT so the press forward hard in those time zones to maximize their pushes. (Do note that I am not insinuating anything or otherwise).

FW

hints.8036:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Hints,

The Titan Alliance was on HOD on headstart. They assembled perfect 24/7 coverage because that was plainly the most optimum way to ensure constant PPT. They never lost a match (even when matches were less than 7 days last year). So HOD/TA was the 1st T0 server.

FW

hints.8036:

Balefire.7592:

hints.8036:

If this is maintained by Monday/Tuesday I think its fair to declare that BG is the first “T0” server in history.

Methinks you’re forgetting the server formerly known as the Titan Alliance.

Who? I’m not an old-time WvW’er so I might be missing some context here.

That is impressive :-) Does BG have a weakness in the coverage at this moment? Perhaps late EU time?

Hello Hints,

The Titan Alliance was on HOD on headstart. They assembled perfect 24/7 coverage because that was plainly the most optimum way to ensure constant PPT. They never lost a match (even when matches were less than 7 days last year). So HOD/TA was the 1st T0 server.

FW

hints.8036:

Balefire.7592:

hints.8036:

If this is maintained by Monday/Tuesday I think its fair to declare that BG is the first “T0” server in history.

Methinks you’re forgetting the server formerly known as the Titan Alliance.

Who? I’m not an old-time WvW’er so I might be missing some context here.

Hello Jonnis,

Sorry to hear that the upgraded keep was lost to 5 pax. A few things about WvW, knowing your WvW community is essential for peace of mind:

a. Does your community care about upgrading stuff?
b. What timezones are dead zones? Will your server lose everything in the dead zones?
c. Does your community have folks that will jump maps to defended T3 stuff.
d. Which structure have priority? (eg, home garrison)

You have to consider these 4 points before you decide to upgrade. Spend 1-2 weeks in WvW, hang out with your server mates and commanders and see what they do. If you have a hardcore attitude (which is great) about making sure your structures are fortified then make sure this is what the community is looking at or else you will lose stuff.

Lastly if you feel that your community goals are not aligned with yours you might want to switch servers with another one that’s close to your goals.

FW

jonnis.2946:

My Story

I’m a total novice to the game in WvW terms, just got to rank 20 on one char and have rank 10 from the rest of my play since the games release, or whenever ranks came out, I really don’t know, I spent most of my time before that in sPvP. So I voice these opinions from a back drop of little experience accepting that many of them have probably been voiced before, and perhaps many of the solutions I’ve though of too.

Rant

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I’ve been playing for about 3 days, and got home late after the reset. I started working on Garrison and Bay, both keeps that we held but that we’re in relatively early stages. As a team effort we pushed Garrison through to T3. I was running Dolyaks mostly, and also invested a lot in the upgrades. I also retook and upgraded camps and at times scouted enemy zergs.

We got the waypoint up at Garrison and most people went to bed, it was late. I got fortified walls started before turning most of my attention to bay. I pushed bay through reinforced walls, gates and cannons and was halfway through mortars. In that time, I ran a tonne of Dolyaks, endlessly recaptured the south camp and held it for lengthy periods of time, and warded off two zergs with the help of some other players on my server.

Having just got into WvW this was what I found myself really wanting to do, making the fortresses that our Zergs had built impenetrable. I was sure that we could hold GG, and hoped to have Bay up to a similar standard.

Then five kittens from a rival server turned up. They had two Omega Golems and one Alpha golem, that was it. 5 people, 3 pieces of Siege. As soon as they appeared on the map I sieged up Bay, feeling sure that Garrison would hold. I had arrow carts and a ballista set up on the inner wall, as much as I could manage before they got to me.

This 5 man force managed to take first Garrison, fully upgraded, then paper Hills, then Bay, within the space of about 10 minutes. I didn’t receive any support from my team mates, and I put up a hard fight, but I was left empty handed as eventually they got in, got me downed, and killed my lord

TL;DR
I spent ages upgrading a few keeps. 5 players with 3 golems came and took all 3 of our keeps in 10 minutes.

I can honestly say that I have never felt such an overwhelming sense of disappointment and helplessness. I felt like my efforts that evening were totally trival. I piled time, effort and gold into upgrading those keeps. I called for help on EB and got none. If a 70 man zerg had rolled in and taken them, that would be something else, but the way it happened for me is just unacceptable, all my hard work undone by 5 people doing something very very basic.

Hello Adula

We have reliable information that it’s not Bg’s doing.

FW

Adula.3698:

30 minutes into wvw reset and SoR’s ts is already being ddosed. Hmm. Only happens when we play BG.

Hello Zhonnika,

I see that Tati has not cleared the air in this match up thread. In a PM I asked her to check her forum, the information is in there. On that note, I hope I am wrong and that Waha will return for the last match at least.

FW

zhonnika.1784:

FW, Waha is not leaving. Check Tati’s post in this very thread. You know, someone who is actually in his guild?

Hello Fuzzion,

I’ll be honest with you I really hope he hasn’t because like it or not we need each other to fight. However, my source tells me otherwise. I hope he will be back.

FW

Fuzzion.2504:

Seigfried.5938:

I didn’t expect all that chest thumping from TC, and especially not from chris who isn’t even part of this matchup.

*However TC has worked very hard, so has SoR. But that being said, TC deserves an awesome hug for their remarkable come back * /applause /salute

Congrats to JQ and friends. You guys are awesome

PS. Waha has not left. Also if i got a penny for everytime someone said waha left, i could buy a free gw2 t-shirt.

Hello guys,

I’m a little late, I just heard about Waha leaving GW2. It’s a sad day.

Here’s to the enemy we loved to fight, the boogeyman who inspired the SEA and NA troops in SOR.

We will miss the amazing fights.

We will miss the big bald Norn.

/salute

FW

Hello Phlogus,

Assuming that you complete trust/compliance of the 80 guys in teamspeak, the next level is to control the map.

Watch the map to combine the 80 man and know when to split them up into 10/20/30 mans counter enemy force. That is key to winning the map or even 3-4 maps.

To quote another awesome fighter. Don’t get set into one form, adapt it and build your own, and let it grow, be like water.

FW

Phlogus.2371:

I do not want to be a blob. I want to be a organized force, responsive to commands (driving), trained to respond to direction and drills like battle drills with specific actions on contact.

Hello Polismassa,

Let me clarify a few things:

1. There is no moral superiority in not working overtime. It’s just the way SOR in general wants to work.

2. The focus is ALWAYS 1st on winning the fights, the 2nd priority is winning the ppt. PPT is important but it’s 2nd priority. We will want to win but looking at how EU has evolved, we recognize that some guilds want to focus on winning the fights 1st vs watching objectives/ppt for other time zones and we want to grow that type of community. So yes, we are still looking for guilds to field our time zones that we cannot cover because we want to win but not at the expense of working overtime.

3. I did some checks, the reason why we are gaining PPT is because quite a few of the guys and girls are back from ESO, nothing more.

FW

Polismassa.6740:

BAEK.8561:

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Kigera.9584:

DeWolfe.2174:

The only question I have is, when is the karma train starting? Holiday Karma train tomorrow???

Karma train? With how close SoR and TC’s ppt is?

Exactly, dont you know, they’re going to pull more 15+ hour shifts to catch up, then brag about beating a T2 server at the end of the week like they’ve been known to do in the past…. or maybe SoR’s a changed server, which would be awfully nice, and appreciates how actually close this matchup has been.

Edit: Ok JQ, you can take your boot off our throats any time now.

Are you sure? SoR is (generally speaking) not known to pull off crazy hours. The server known to pull off crazy hours is BG because their primary goal is to win. SoR has always been more about fights, rather than winning.

This old line again? Look, I respect SoR as a server, I really do. You guys rose up from a lower tier and have been excellent competition over the past 6 months of coverage wars and other BS between the big 3.

However, SoR is like any other T1 server in that you really want to win, if you didn’t want to win, you wouldn’t be in T1. That’s not a bad thing by any means, but stop trying to pull the moral superiority card every time your server is having issues.

Hi Stealth,

Some folks need help to kick start. I believe if they have the guts to tag up there’s a good chance for them to learn. I started in BF2, got yelled at a lot and found my way albeit slowly. But like in real life, there are exceptions in students, especially dealing with SA and map reading.

FW

Stealth.8150:

Fannwong.3059:

Molasses.

For weeks, while you were starting to command, a lot of SOR commanders gave you sound advice and tried to guide you including me. Kindly refrain from doing this, it does not speak well of your character.

Moving to JQ is one thing, throwing mud at your old server mates is another.

FW

let me guess the advice you guys gave them was how to command.
isnt that slap in the face in the first place.

Molasses.

For weeks, while you were starting to command, a lot of SOR commanders gave you sound advice and tried to guide you including me. Kindly refrain from doing this, it does not speak well of your character.

Moving to JQ is one thing, throwing mud at your old server mates is another.

FW

bestplayerEva.9301:

SoR can’t even finish the season with the season with their head held up high.

Hey Yulo

Thanks buddy.

SOR is still looking for great militia commanders from late NA all the way to EU. Currently we have a smallest population of all T1 servers but a large percentage of militia are well trained and will jump onto teamspeak.

FW

Hello Sam,

I understand what you are saying. I mean it’ll be bad for SOR WvW folks outside NA prime. As there won’t be much folks to fight.

FW

Samhayn.2385:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Samhayn,

It would be bad if SOR dropped to T2. Do take a look at the scores. A lot of the hardcore wvwers are bored, especially the SEA folks.

That said, even if SOR is still in T1 or T2, I wouldn’t mind because as I told the folks in the WvW Committee and in general, most of us are here because we have fun with the community win or lose. I am not saying that the SOR WvW community is better, in fact from the folks who went BG and back to SOR, I had reports that BG has a vibrant community too. I am pretty sure that all T1 WvW have a lot of fun folks, it’s just that our strategic aims are remarkably different.

And to Zikory, to put it simply we are taking the weight of the wvw direction off a few persons/guilds because it’s simply too much. If that is called reorganizing then so be it.

FW

Samhayn.2385:

One can only hope that we (SoR) slip down to tier 2. I was happy there. We played for the fights, talked less trash and just had fun.

even if we don’t slip down I hope we can just not worry about trying to “win” tier 1. Just play the game and fraps all the times the zerg runs from you.

I think you miss understood me. Someone mentioned that a tri realm pvp game is coming out that will take players away. If that happens then I would like to go back to tier 2. As it stands right now us being in tier 2 would.not work out well because we would just be the black gate of tier 2. Not something I like. Vastly out numbering or being vastly out numbered either way not my idea of fun.

Hello Gilgamesh,

I think you’re mistaken. Sam is not from SOR.

FW

Gilgamesh.7364:

Sam Gem.1246:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Sam Gem.1246:

If you do a dungeon with a BG, you’re a traitor. Just say no to BG. No BG.
Leave groups that do cof with bg members.

That wouldn’t benefit anyone. BG not only excels in WvW, but they also seem to do really well in PvE.

First server to beat Teq.
First server to win Leagues Season 1.
GG

Don’t matter what you preach. I’m practicing what I say.

Well alright… Hope you aren’t too SoRe about not coming 1st place in leagues, it was anyones game from Week 1 – Week 7. Just a matter of how bad you wanted it!

Hello Samhayn,

It would be bad if SOR dropped to T2. Do take a look at the scores. A lot of the hardcore wvwers are bored, especially the SEA folks.

That said, even if SOR is still in T1 or T2, I wouldn’t mind because as I told the folks in the WvW Committee and in general, most of us are here because we have fun with the community win or lose. I am not saying that the SOR WvW community is better, in fact from the folks who went BG and back to SOR, I had reports that BG has a vibrant community too. I am pretty sure that all T1 WvW have a lot of fun folks, it’s just that our strategic aims are remarkably different.

And to Zikory, to put it simply we are taking the weight of the wvw direction off a few persons/guilds because it’s simply too much. If that is called reorganizing then so be it.

FW

Samhayn.2385:

One can only hope that we (SoR) slip down to tier 2. I was happy there. We played for the fights, talked less trash and just had fun.

even if we don’t slip down I hope we can just not worry about trying to “win” tier 1. Just play the game and fraps all the times the zerg runs from you.

Hello,

ZD actually PMed Indo if they could move to SOR (screenshots were provided). Indo referred them to IRON who asked them not to transfer to SOR because we knew it would unbalance T1. It would have been perfect (more or less) but as it turns out one of the main IRON commanders was hospitalized, she was one of the main forces leading SOR EU so ZD now doesn’t have people to fight.

I won’t blame ZD for their transfer to BG. And I think it’s unwise for any SOR to blame ZD. It was just bad timing.

With regards to the GW2 WvW being like real war. In a tactical sense yes, it’s as close as you can get to real warfare on a computer game. BUT on a strategic level, it would be bad because winning at all cost doesn’t really work because yes the 24/7 server would win but it will also means that folks from other servers would leave the game or go back to PVE. In that scenario, everybody loses.

FW

Keiel.7489:

SonofNoob.3102:

DeWolfe.2174:

If I had anything to add to this thread it would be for ZD, all Guild’s really, to better scout server’s in the future. They really misjudged the populations on Bg, SoR, and JQ for their time slot.

No they didn’t misjudge. They scouted and saw IRON and SoRs other EU guilds out there playing during their primetime. But as soon as ZDs showed up, those SoR guilds ran away.

The mis-information amongst all the servers regarding ZD and coverage is so terrible. In this thread, one of your guys linked a post by a guy in ZD who was responsible for the BG move. According to the ZD guy, he asked SoR first to join us, and whoever he talked turned them away because we already had a EU population (not sure if the said person knew the size of ZD or that they would start 2 hours before our EU and certainly wouldn’t know the would be emergency situation Iron has). But it’s been speculated and the back and forth of what really happened and why is getting old. Everytime I read a match-up thread, everyone just spews crap out of their mouths. I’m not directly pointing this at you, but BG members have no idea what happened and why, I think all the other sservers should stop speculating based on what they’ve heard their guildmates said from this one guy they know back in a bronze league server on the chinese servers.

Hello,

I did some checking with MOS. With BG vs SOR with another T2 server, BG had significantly more wins. I’m afraid you’re gravely mistaken with your statement.

FW

DonCorleoneCS.3549:

lettuce beef burrito, SoR rolled BG for months before the season started and outside of waha hours JQ wasn’t a threat to them either. the season brought about a whole different style of wvw strategy that only BG took advantage; 24/7 coverage and forced double teams

Hello,

Thanks.

But I’ll be serious with you. PPT wins of >20%-30% deviation is a sign of coverage.

The SOR commanders want to thank instead the TC and Mags that came out to fight. You are true warriors. We respect you.

FW

Traejan.1729:

Grats to SoR for what appears to be their first win of Season 1

Much respect to Mag for the golem rush on Bay. Great fight, best fight I had in the last 2 days. /salute.

FW

Hello Tyrone,

It’s difficult to tag up if the team chat atmosphere is hostile to start with. A few negative guys can set the tone of the BL. And if the commander caves in and responds, the trolls will latch on and have a field day.

If you wish to command, start with a small team, work the same hours everyday for a week, wipe as little as you can and kill as much as you can. Within a week or 2 you’ll have a rep for success, then the trolls will keep quiet.

FW

tyrone.5974:

So this hasn’t effected me personally cause it’s a video game and I don’t care what people say to me but I play on db and was running my tag last night for the first time. The amount of abuse and negative feedback blew my mind away. I have seen new tags pop up and just get slaughtered

Why does a community feel the need to belittle a new comer? The more tags and knowledge someone has the more opportunity we have to better out chances and placing higher for our server.

We have much respect for the Mags and TC that come out to fight.

We will not gloat, we know that winning PPT is a sign of coverage, not courage.

We salute you.

FW

SOR is here.

You have taken the PPT

But we will not give in to tyranny

And we will not bow to oppression

You will never have our freedom.

NEVER.

—

Sanduskel.1850:

Kiff.8157:

DKNS.2135:

Gilgamesh.7364:

Sanduskel.1850:

congrats buy/bribe gate.

Thank you! &Sorry about 2nd place… For the 4th time in a row :/

Hope you guys pick things up next week!

Of course they will pick it up next week.

They don’t have any competition in the next match-up.

Just saying, what if TC beat them? o.O

At this point, I wouldn’t be too surprised if that happens. The SoR we knew 3-4 weeks ago is not the SoR we know today…

But if SoR hasn’t completely given up like everyone says they have, they’ll be able to beat JQ in Week 6

Hello Keiel

I would like to add that if folks are looking to transfer to a T1 server please consider it after next weeks match of BG vs JQ. Especially where PPT goes >300ppt over 2-3 hours. It usually means that the dominant server has queues and it might frustrating for most of the wvw guys to find fights in that timezone. I got friends in BG telling me that they are bored out of their minds when they are in a queue or log on to find only a few enemies to fight.

FW

Keiel.7489:

Stacking smartly and blindly stacking is two different things. SoR I can log in and WvW and get good fights whenever, can’t say the same for BG currently, but eventually people will shuffle over to SoR and probably overstack SoR for a bit.

Win the league, win the match in the end it doesn’t matter except for the PPT hogs.

Hello Lemrish,

We will safely assume that you are not trolling in your post. So I will give you a straight answer. Do note that in my answer that I’m am making a judgement on you nor your server leadership.

The PPT meta prescribed by Anet only leads to one logical end, and that is coverage over time with objectives held. That makes it a pure numbers agenda. I know that BG has worked very hard (like Titan Alliance and JQ) to reach the pinnacle of this meta and have met with tremendous success. Eg wins with >50-150k PPT. However, we have examined this meta and though it is fun at one level, we decided to put PPT on 2nd priority. Note that we still enjoy good PPT but that is not the key pursuit for the SOR community.

Most Rallians really enjoy the 20v20 or 30v30 fights, whether it being in the open field or sieging. Having those fights is a priority. And only T1 offers this outside of NA time. It’s plenty fun to find these type of epic battles in SEA time for me also.

I hope you understand our position.

Best
FW

Lemrish.5970:

Mirsa.1628:

Traejan.1729:

Hey guise,

Just wondering where your army went too? They seem to have disappeared after week 2 of seasons. Did they transfer to JQ or smthng?

Nope. We’re showing up every night for BG’s loot bags! PPT is not something we value like BG so why don’t you just go back to shooting arrow carts in your siege-capped objectives, buddy?

It’s a shame you don’t value PPT. It’s a part of the game people would leave to join higher rated servers, you know to win. If SOR doesn’t value this part of the game, what are you offering that would entice people to join that they don’t already have on their current server?

[PRAE] are great havoc folks. Encourage and endorsed. /salute

FW

Hello Snafu,

I’m not taking BG’s side here but this is Anet’s meta. The possession of objectives to give points. I do understand that quite a few servers like Maguma and SOR have abandoned Anet’s meta, it’s not BG’s fault that they adhering to it. They are 100% focused playing the game in its official meta.

To be honest, it requires a lot more organization and structure on the server leaders to ensure that there scouts in the objectives. BG now probably has the most organized force and systematic coverage since the Titan Allaince back in the day. Personally I have a lot of respect for that.

FW

Snafu.7412:

Gilgamesh.7364:

It’s alright guys, let Maguuma think they’re good at roaming since it’s really all they have going for them really. They’ve hardly owned their own garrison and have little to no idea on how to take/defend a keep… Hopefully next season they’ll give us all a better competition, just sayin’. :/

Number 1 post NA. Please keep telling us about our PPT.

Hello Wrex,

Great to hear that you are better, am really happy.

On a serious note, all the asian otakus miss you loads. See you back in WvW.

FW

Wrex.6798:

Hello all,

I wanted to just say thank you for all the friendly messages I’ve picked up on here / in game from people across all servers, I dunno how people find out things sometimes but it’s nice to know that we here in GW2 have a decent and supportive community (even if we do all troll like bosses).

So see you on the battlefield and good luck to all this reset!

//Wrex

A shout out to the PYRO train. Haven’t played in NA but you have a lot of respect from our guilds. /salute.

And to the SOR forumers, the committee appreciates your restraint on forum vitriol. It helps alot, thanks guys.

FW.