Guild Wars 2

LightBringer.8764:

100 badges per clover is ridiculous. No one gets 770 badges from 5 hours of zerg balling. 25 badges per clover might be reasonable as the total would be 1925 badges, which is quite a lot. Any reasonable player would have never gotten that many badges on all of their characters combined.

Reset night in T8 zergballing resulted in 225 badges in 3 hours.. putting 770 at 10 hours. 10 hours for arguably the hardest part of a legendary.. Sorry my Badges per hour was slightly off in my original post.

The suggestion was taking out a very MONEY heavy, RNG-based composite of the legendary process to a very small amount of badges. 800 badges is easy, even if you don’t play WvW a lot; to make up for that you have to make it a VERY high amount of badges.

Even 2k badges is pretty easy. 5k badges for 77 clovers would be nice, considering 1k badges get you full exotic armor, you’d get 77 clovers for the cost of 2 full exotic (armor) sets, which in globs is 30 + mats which is far cheaper than making clovers with them in OP and your suggestion.

EDIT: I do like the idea of using other things than Gold/Farming to get components of the Legendary. If having a Legendary means you are a “well-rounded” player, shouldn’t you be able to actually BE well-rounded to get one? Just sitting in Orr farming isn’t being well-rounded.

SFShinigami.2015:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Jedbacca.6297:

Cover Girl.2580:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

DeWolfe.2174:

Oh and btw, when did we get stuck with Cover Girl in the thread again??? That’s so 2012….

I was enjoying the days of 2013

I blush at both of you. Cookie didn’t you go to Kain with Mayo?

Mayo is on DB with Noodles plotting to take over the world apparently. Oh, and Agg and more than likely FoE. My guess is there will be a future post of perseverance of climbing their way to the top or some kitten. It’s going to be a well articulated artcile with big words too!

::taking bets::

FoE is still on ET, The FoE/AGG Alliance was broken up. It is nice to see our friends on BG are back to kickin’ butt and it’s about time SoR showed up!! Come to T8 and enjoy drama free fights

If we went there we’d end up ruining the drama free fights part because Cover Girl likes to follow us around and blab at us from the safety of a keep.

Haha! All we’d need is Daish and it’d be Oct 2012 remix… uh oh what have I started??

Agree. Small scale fights are won/lost on the ability to stomp someone, even if you down half their group, you can’t finish them off quickly.

5v5 and 2v4s are purely dependent on stomping, not skill, not having the offensive-advantage, not skill rotations… but simply taking 3 seconds to ram a flag into someone’s chest.

Ntranced.7415:

They are shaped like strips.

I know one thing, if people are losing a keep and there is still supply in it the last thing they will be doing before giving up the fight (or even as part of normal defence?) is dropping anti-supply traps around the supply depots.

Haven’t tested dropping a trap bundle for others to pick up so looks like that is possible too – just give everyone in your guild group a trap to drop.

Whole game is going far too much towards “bunker” or “turtle” mode. Just bunker in your structure with ACs, drop your traps, never move – never use a player skill. You can’t even change map as you might lose your traps, so you bunker in your own border.

Madness.

Fluidity and adapting on the battlefield is all but gone… kind of sucks.

Jedbacca.6297:

Cover Girl.2580:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

DeWolfe.2174:

Oh and btw, when did we get stuck with Cover Girl in the thread again??? That’s so 2012….

I was enjoying the days of 2013

I blush at both of you. Cookie didn’t you go to Kain with Mayo?

Mayo is on DB with Noodles plotting to take over the world apparently. Oh, and Agg and more than likely FoE. My guess is there will be a future post of perseverance of climbing their way to the top or some kitten. It’s going to be a well articulated artcile with big words too!

::taking bets::

FoE is still on ET, The FoE/AGG Alliance was broken up. It is nice to see our friends on BG are back to kickin’ butt and it’s about time SoR showed up!! Come to T8 and enjoy drama free fights

I agree but then I disagree.. there needs to be another way but those values are too low.

1M karma is what, 50 hours? Considering how easy karma is to get, that’d have to be around 5M karma to make it moderately difficult.

Clovers – 100 badges each, not 10. 777 badges is 5 hours of zerg-balling, compared to the 367 Ectos I used to get my clovers, equivalent of 70G for 777 badges.. again, too low and not difficult.

Fractels Relics? lol no.. not all of us are carebear PvE’ers.

Gifts are fine the way they are.

Lodestones need to be offered in a Soul/Account bound fashion as well.

kantoku.5421:

While making it soulbound or account bound is perfectly fine, introducing a new method of getting precursors will definitely affect the prices if it’s grindable, since the demand will go down. The only suggestions I see as viable that won’t have an effect on prices and not go against the no-grind view of things, is to use the time gate currencies like laurels or pristine fractal relics (since you can only get a limited amount of them every day). Things like karma and badges can be farmed/grinded so having them part of the process is counter productive.

Edit: In any case, there have been tonnes of suggestions, and I would like to keep this thread as a suggestion to actually give them a look or some consideration.

If you introduce more than 1 way to get a precursor, people can pick.. buy one or grind. I said 10k badges because THAT’S A LOT. I WvW 99% of my time in game, I have 4500 badges saved up SINCE DECEMBER (spent ~800). All except the last month spend in T1 NA (SoS/BG).

I don’t think it is counter-productive, people grind for everything. Either you grind for the cash for the precursor, or you grind for the gold to buy the mats for the Mystic Forge. The only method currently available to get a precursor is grind so adding another grind method just adds on a equally difficult way to get one. The issue people are having is that there is only 2 ways to get them, RNG or Gold. We want options, I don’t care if I have to grind 10M karma or 10k badges, I just want another option to get one than CoF P1/Orr farming.

Granted you could just blow 200$ in gems and buy one but that defeats the purpose

That thread is yummy…. I feel like it’s November 2012 all over again.

Honestly, you don’t. anything you craft will cost you more than buying from TP. Crafting is almost purely a form of Exp and fast leveling characters, that’s why prices are higher.

No one farms low level zones for mats – less supply, more demand from “speed levelers” = higher price.

Not fun to say but crafting is pretty pointless from a “make my own gear as I progress” standpoint unless you take pride in that.

Aneu.1748:

VOLKON.1290:

DevonCarver.5370:

WvW Match resets are not the same thing as new builds. We’ll have some updates to arrow carts to share with you when the next build comes through.

I hope you didn’t go overboard. Reality is showing the meta adjusting quite well to the changes. Tactics are adapting, people are taking time to do one of two things:

1. Clear the siege before you knock on the door -or-
2. Come to the forums and complain.

Towers are still flipping, keeps are still flipping. It’s not nearly as problematic as those who would refuse to adapt are going on about.

Adapting to a boredom inducing meta is not something many people wish to do, if you want to sit around and build siege all day but some of us would rather play the character we have made in order to kill others not man arrow-carts to do it – what change does it make to you if AC’s see a damage reduction? You can still build siege! but the point is those of us who want to fight others in an actual battle can’t get to do this at the moment either because people run to sit on siege or peeling a keep off a zerg has now become ridiculous ending up in Treb v Treb v Treb v Treb – fun, right?

The AC change also introduce a Zerg+AC vs Zerg+AC tactic. It became a war of who can build the most ACs quicker rather than actually depending on group make-up and player positioning. This has started to plague T8 NA, pure player vs player open field combat is almost extinct.

Given it before and I’ll give it again, major props to VoTF for being the face of these needed changes. We loved working with you guys before and hopefully we’ll get the chance to again, if not in GW2 but the next game and the one after that.

Introduce a way to get a soulbound or account bound precursor. 10k WvW badges, 5M Karma, 500 Laurels, easy ways to implement a better way to get it that won’t change the price.

Jscull.2514:

Mcginley this week the small mans will mostly be running on HoD borderlands. We’re rotating which map is the focus each week. (almost none of us run eb during prime time).

Sweet! I’ll talk to some peeps and hopefully we’ll finally get some good small scale fights

GrPo.2631:

Do i get assist kill exp ? just from healing other players,i don’t have to hit the enemy ?

No. You have to do damage to get credit for kills.

Check out Fist of the Empire [FoE] @ http://www.fistoftheempire.org. We are a 10-year old WvW focused gaming community. We have a 500 slot TS3 server, active forums and a very organized leadership structure. We are currently on ET.

Learn more about us by viewing our recruitment video!

Small group roaming in FoE has kicked up as of late in T8. Lots of great fights down here, if you are tired of zerg-dodging in upper tiers and want to get to know some great PvP’ers and work in small group tactics and havoc squads. [FoE] should be your new home!

Staff 1 for tagging people, that I know.

Jscull.2514:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Xom.9264:

CrassBippy.4619:

As the worlds greatest warrior this greatly intrigues me and I will join whatever tier is chosen

We already have a few of the worlds greatest warriors in T8 Bulky Boy and Titan but the more worlds greatest warriors the better.

No chance you are talking about Titan from FoE? That man BREATHS warrior…

As for “T8 small groups”, I’ve noticed other the last couple days the “small group vs small group” fights are gone. Each time we roam it’s like 3v15, even if we do find a small group they seemingly put a message out and a huge zerg rolls by. Yeah, we burst a random up-leveled trying to run back into the fight but that is rare. I’m not saying small scale fights are gone or small groups are ineffective, just beware that zergs are still plenty down here and expect to get utterly destroyed at random times.

Arrow carts are also killing this slowly… had a 5v9 the other day, they instantly throw down an AC. I really hope small groups don’t start doing this, it’s gonna ruin the only FUN part about WvW left.

Ninja edit: if anyone wants info on ET for a transfer, I’m more than happy to help out. Just send me a message.

Current state on ET: We have good numbers, just inconsistent numbers. We typically have a VERY strong weekend and weak weekday. Commander driven zergs but if they leave, small groups tend to take over the map. Yeah we are the last place server in T8 but a few transfers would def help and make T8 a little more competitive and better for everyone involved.

I understand your point, but disagree with small mans not being around. We put one out almost every day, KoM does as well both from HoD. Both our guilds do 100% best we can to avoid OUR OWN zergs so our [tags] are not associated with zerging.

Are yall in EB most of the time? We’ll have to hook up some time. Tired of trying to find good fights.

Only a WvW player noticed outmanned buff and charges into a zerg with 4 others “Screw it, no repair fee”

Xom.9264:

CrassBippy.4619:

As the worlds greatest warrior this greatly intrigues me and I will join whatever tier is chosen

We already have a few of the worlds greatest warriors in T8 Bulky Boy and Titan but the more worlds greatest warriors the better.

No chance you are talking about Titan from FoE? That man BREATHS warrior…

As for “T8 small groups”, I’ve noticed other the last couple days the “small group vs small group” fights are gone. Each time we roam it’s like 3v15, even if we do find a small group they seemingly put a message out and a huge zerg rolls by. Yeah, we burst a random up-leveled trying to run back into the fight but that is rare. I’m not saying small scale fights are gone or small groups are ineffective, just beware that zergs are still plenty down here and expect to get utterly destroyed at random times.

Arrow carts are also killing this slowly… had a 5v9 the other day, they instantly throw down an AC. I really hope small groups don’t start doing this, it’s gonna ruin the only FUN part about WvW left.

Ninja edit: if anyone wants info on ET for a transfer, I’m more than happy to help out. Just send me a message.

Current state on ET: We have good numbers, just inconsistent numbers. We typically have a VERY strong weekend and weak weekday. Commander driven zergs but if they leave, small groups tend to take over the map. Yeah we are the last place server in T8 but a few transfers would def help and make T8 a little more competitive and better for everyone involved.

Mr Oboms is my suggestion

or Mr Mobos (acronym for motherboards)

Failed on TC.. Sorry

TC is halfway thru, need more people

The only positive I can see is the ability to now direct where the opponents zerg will/can go without negative consequences.

Just set up traps on all the good cata/treb spots with ACs to cover the walls/door.. game over.

PS: I like to KILL players in my PvP, not siege. (PvS??)

Jscull.2514:

Does anyone from FoE read this thread?

We do… we just don’t post. FoE isn’t big on forum warriors.

Make arrow carts like cannons and oil, buildable in certain spots.

Jackie.1829:

Since people wanted me to substantiate with facts:

http://i.imgur.com/x9ePvIA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0JwuOGW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LEP00kz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/n9v1P3m.jpg

I certainly know there are many more spots, but that is besides the point. Enjoy using only trebuchets to break into outer and inner of anything. If your lucky the defenders are too stupid to know where to build arrow carts, but I dont rely on the stupidity of my enemy for a win.

PRESS 1 to WIN!! Sick screenshots Jackie

Major props for VoTF for pressing this hard on a serious issue in WvW. I don’t see how this will end well for the more organized guilds as ourselves. We want to fight people ANet, not walls or doors or siege.. BUT ACTUAL PEOPLE.

You don’t…..

THANK GOD. Too much clutter.

Perhaps if ANet actually PLAYED with skilled guilds instead of the “mindless zerg” on SoR and other servers, they’d actually see what needs to be buffed/nerfed/fixed to create sustainable open world, objective-based PvP.

If all towers and keeps were open so you could “slip past” the walls, people would actually kill other people with their fist rather than hiding behind walls and using siege to tip the balance in their favor. This would require scouting, rapid response and coordination of Militia and Guilds alike.

Siege should be a force multiplier not a force eliminator or the sole reason why one group beat the other.

PS: Not a rip on SoR, just the only server I’ve seen ANet Devs play on and ofc 50 people surround them at all times.

Open free transfers, implement RANDOM matchups of all 24 servers each week. Problem solved.

It’s a very close matchup going into Sunday NA Primtetime. FoE has been a major presence this week with a great turnout of members and ET has really come out swinging!

The worst part about hills is the 1 entrance to the Lords Room… fix that and it’s all good.

Once AC mastery is released, Hills will never be taken if sieged up.

pulsecodesgnl.3470:

Honestly, people see 15 people down here and call it a zerg, for whatever that’s worth.

“INCOMING!!” it’s 3 guys

About sums it up…

Daemonne.5018:

LilMcGinley.3890:

The bad thing about “map rotation” is that the way they are currently set up, green is put into a harder spot to defend, while red it given the easier ones. Look at EB, Red keep can treb at least 2 towers AND Stonemist from a relatively safe spot. What if GoM was “red” this week, not only do they have more people but they can put constant pressure on Stonemist if ET/FC held it, not to mention they have shorter runs to and from supply camps from towers and SM. This is true for any tier.

I’m all for rotating the colors but if they do that, they have some other gameplay items to think about. You can’t give the green server, which is the best one in the current tier, all of the benefits of the worst server in the tier and expect people to be happy.

EDIT: Just look at how many times Overlook has been flipped and how many times Valley has been flipped this week. ET’s is nightly and I don’t know if Overlook has been flipped, maybe once?

With that in mind, maybe a re-evaluation of what color belongs to what placement needs to be redone.
If Green currently has some kind of advantage towards EB (I am not sure if this is perception or reality as I haven’t witnessed or researched it myself) then maybe it needs to be the 3rd place position to help give an edge towards moving to 2nd.

It’s a reality. A well known one at that. If they were to implement a color rotation for the sake of the game make no server have a distinct advantage over the next.

I honestly think that given ANY server an advantage of what they can hit from safety of their keep in EB ruins part of WvW. Why leave Overlook if you can treb 2 of your towers back? Sitting in a tower all the time kills WvW… no one wants to just wait outside and BEG you to come out and play, just allows for more stagnation into the game.

Don’t even get me started on the situation in Hills lol.. by far the hardest objective to take in the game if fully upgraded (1 entrance to lords room? LOL)

The bad thing about “map rotation” is that the way they are currently set up, green is put into a harder spot to defend, while red it given the easier ones. Look at EB, Red keep can treb at least 2 towers AND Stonemist from a relatively safe spot. What if GoM was “red” this week, not only do they have more people but they can put constant pressure on Stonemist if ET/FC held it, not to mention they have shorter runs to and from supply camps from towers and SM. This is true for any tier.

I’m all for rotating the colors but if they do that, they have some other gameplay items to think about. You can’t give the green server, which is the best one in the current tier, all of the benefits of the worst server in the tier and expect people to be happy.

EDIT: Just look at how many times Overlook has been flipped and how many times Valley has been flipped this week. ET’s is nightly and I don’t know if Overlook has been flipped, maybe once?

Ynot.8397:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Ynot.8397:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Darek.1836:

We finally successfully ninja’d a keep! (Bay after GoM capped it) … then proceeded to lose it again when we defended against ET at hills.

I did find it funny that what seemed like 80 FC would bunker into Hills while GoM took fully upgraded Bay and Garrison, and the rest of the map with it… while 50 or so ET just messed around inside Hills for a little while

80 FC? Hardly.. Awesome FCers? Definitely.

Maybe the red names blotted out the sun… but yeah, was fun.

Especially when ET wiped outside the lords room :P Nice cheesy ACs though xD

Haha! (it was inside) but yeah, don’t get me started on that… random commander was like “CHARGE” with the zerg full of glass cannons, which of course instantly wiped, so we pushed in behind and managed to get to the alter and tried to kill what siege we could.

Cheesy? More like pro spot tbh.

I’m pretty scared to see what will happen when Arrow Cart mastery is released, ACs are already pretty overpowered and if they don’t reduce the siege cap limit, Warriors with Leg Spec and Arrow cart will be EVERYWHERE. Hills will never be able to be taken…

PS: All this 2v1 talk, I feel like I’m back on BG…

Jscull.2514:

Tier 7 is 100% zergs. IF you don’t find a group of 3, you find 10 -40 only. It is brutal.

My next question is what tier do you guys know of having serious competitive small man guilds that use alot of coordination and team work in fights? And I dont mean with keep/tower takes i mean player vs player fights?

Are you talking about GvG? As far as I know there is very little gvg action in NA WvW, I’ve heard EU WvW is where that is more popular.

Ynot.8397:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Darek.1836:

We finally successfully ninja’d a keep! (Bay after GoM capped it) … then proceeded to lose it again when we defended against ET at hills.

I did find it funny that what seemed like 80 FC would bunker into Hills while GoM took fully upgraded Bay and Garrison, and the rest of the map with it… while 50 or so ET just messed around inside Hills for a little while

80 FC? Hardly.. Awesome FCers? Definitely.

Maybe the red names blotted out the sun… but yeah, was fun.

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Learn more about us by viewing our recruitment video!

Darek.1836:

We finally successfully ninja’d a keep! (Bay after GoM capped it) … then proceeded to lose it again when we defended against ET at hills.

I did find it funny that what seemed like 80 FC would bunker into Hills while GoM took fully upgraded Bay and Garrison, and the rest of the map with it… while 50 or so ET just messed around inside Hills for a little while

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Bailey.6892:

Gate of Madness
Eredon Terrace
Fergusons crossing?

And I guess the general server population of these ones. I am currently on Dragon Brand and finding smaller battles is becoming harder and harder so was wondering what it is like for other servers.

Gates of Madness: Population varies wildly depending on PvE events (darn Super Adventure Box!). Good oceanic crew. Decent-sized pug zergs, but most of the server’s focus is on coordinated small groups working on multiple targets across several maps at the same time.

Eredon Terrace: Population seems quite large for their Tier. They’ve got a few larger guilds (formerly from upper tiers) that are quite skilled at running a proper zergball and can flip a whole fortified map pretty quickly.

Ferguson’s Crossing: Somewhat lacking an identity at this point, in my opinion. They seem to learn very quickly and use a hybrid system of what’s being used against them. Pretty decent zergball strats and a few surprisingly good small man groups.

All three servers would be a good home to anyone considering a move. Trash talk is very minimal (see our match-up threads) and none of these servers go down without a hell of a fight. Also, there’s a wider array of effective strategies in lower population match-ups than in the upper tiers, so be prepared for tons of trickery and misdirection.

This is pretty accurate. Small guilds can flourish in lower tiers just due to the lack of numbers on the battle field. The main issue in T8 is overall population, having an extra 20 people on any map makes a huge difference where in upper tiers it doesn’t. It’s really all about how/when you play.

In regards to ET, our population is decent, we have a lot of small guilds that work together to protect home BL/EB and they do a kitten good job of it. There is a LOT of potential on ET and if you wish to talk about how you’d fit in, feel free to PM me.

If you want to xfer,

Check out Fist of the Empire [FoE] @ http://www.fistoftheempire.org. We are a 10-year old WvW focused gaming community. We have a 500 slot TS3 server, active forums and a very organized leadership structure.

Learn more about us by viewing our recruitment video!

If not, check out KnT, LoTD on BG. great guilds

Hod.6751:

So good news I guess, based on the fact that T8 scoring still doesn’t seem right, we’re still losing more points solidifying our place within T8……

Honestly, though I know that we’re not winning by the huge margins that SF was, we’re solidly winning again this week, and losing more points, again. So short of SF completely kicking the poo out of HoD before they go up a bracket, we’re not going anywhere

Welcome to T8! Make sure to reserve your seat at the dinner table, you’ll be here a while

Beautiful diagnosis, constructive suggestions, eloquent wording..

10/10 would read again

OMG THERE’S THE FAMOUS 100 MAN FoE ZERG!!!

Welcome to T8 GoM

FilthyRat.4652:

LilMcGinley.3890:

T7 was not balanced. 80k difference between 1st and 3rd? Only T3 had a larger difference…

On topic: Can’t wait to find some new people to fight. That’s what this is all about, putting 3 servers with the same numbers so that zerg of 100 doesn’t attack 1 tower would be nice.

Was talking about the PPT at the time those were taken. And those were mainly the numbers of HoD which is in the lead overall

PPT =/= balance. PPT is snapshot of how WvW is going at that point in time, looking at the overall score you can see that T7 is not very balanced.

T7 was not balanced. 80k difference between 1st and 3rd? Only T3 had a larger difference…

On topic: Can’t wait to find some new people to fight. That’s what this is all about, putting 3 servers with the same numbers so that zerg of 100 doesn’t attack 1 tower would be nice.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LilMcGinley.3890:

WvW isn’t a numbers game? Quick someone tell T1 that!!!

WvW has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be about numbers and coverage, its a 24/7 fight for crying out loud. If you can’t field a group for the full 24/7, you will lose PPT. Take a look a JQ, they didn’t have the numbers to beat SoS back in the day so what did they do? Brought in MORE guilds with MORE people in MORE timezones. Whoever has more people online at a given time and are aggressive, will win. Saying numbers isn’t a part of WvW is idiotic..

From our perspective, we are here to kill people and have fun. We realize that anything we take will just be PvDoored down later, so we have as much fun as we can in the time we spend online. Our “stories” are what we will remember 3-4 months from now, in the next game and joke about for a long time to come… remembering that “hey we only lost by 100k instead of 150k” isn’t.

Perhaps try reading what I put down instead of assigning your own meaning to it. I never said numbers were never a factor. I stated that “do not mean as much as all the posters whine about” and “do not fool yourself into thinking it is all a numbers game”.

There are many ways to counteract larger numbers. I never said you could negate them completely but you can mitigate the numbers in most circumstances.

Yeah I agree, but it’s pretty tough to negate 100 with 25 though, being that 25 almost have to stay in 1 place whereas 100 can split up into 3 groups and hit 3 separate targets. Where it’s not 100% a numbers game, but it is definitely over 90% and always will be. Whoever has that off-peak numbers advantage can run up the PPT, hence, the large score difference we see each week.

I think that people just like to complain haha, it’s kind of sad. Why not just go out, have fun and whatever happens happens. Enjoy battle and leave the drama/qq out.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Darek.1836:

^What he said sums up 99% of the FC pop that bothered to come to WvW after their transfer.
edit, the FC guy not the idiot SF

also @guy above me
Were losing because of coverage and simply too many people to deal with. You’ve probably noticed by now you wipe against FC zergs of equal size every single time and often wipe to FC zergs of less numbers, or at least half a tough time with them.

This is my point exactly. Number really do not mean as much as all the posters whine about. If you actually think about what is going on you can counteract the numbers fairly well, at least enough to not have SF doubling your score.

With that said, you are delusional if you think SF loses every time against equal numbers. These kind of generalizations just show ignorance instead of factual thinking. Perhaps the noobzergs have difficulty wiping, especially if they do not push when the commander/experienced players try to give direction. But in the meantime the groups I run with are taking structures while your folks deal with a portion of our numbers.

I am not saying we never get wiped or we win every time there are equal numbers. I am far more practical than that. Just do not fool yourself into thinking it is all a numbers game. Because it is not.

WvW isn’t a numbers game? Quick someone tell T1 that!!!

WvW has ALWAYS been and ALWAYS will be about numbers and coverage, its a 24/7 fight for crying out loud. If you can’t field a group for the full 24/7, you will lose PPT. Take a look a JQ, they didn’t have the numbers to beat SoS back in the day so what did they do? Brought in MORE guilds with MORE people in MORE timezones. Whoever has more people online at a given time and are aggressive, will win. Saying numbers isn’t a part of WvW is idiotic..

From our perspective, we are here to kill people and have fun. We realize that anything we take will just be PvDoored down later, so we have as much fun as we can in the time we spend online. Our “stories” are what we will remember 3-4 months from now, in the next game and joke about for a long time to come… remembering that “hey we only lost by 100k instead of 150k” isn’t.

SAN ANTONIO REPRESENT!!

good luck with the guild

(sorry i had to)