Guild Wars 2

Look at my sig, never really had a problem with paying for transfers.

mistsim.2748:

Ophidian.9043:

This wont just destroy GvG but the entire WvW as well. People thinking that they added stuff for small groups are being naive.

You have to keep these points for 2 solid minutes, more then enough time for any zerg to move to your location, chances are the zerg will be roaming somewhere in the middle anyways because you can secure and protect the points, and also move to one of the 3 keeps with relative ease.

one thing that cant be denied is that this new map will actually break zergs apart. this is the intent. one zerg cant steamroll 3 points. and did u actually see the terrain? if they try, it will rain bags for my power wellmancer. my point is, zergs would get annihilated in this terrain, and they dont have the mobility u think they do.

While they can’t “zerg down” all 3 points.. what they CAN do is: zerg down #1 and #2, flash build siege and leave 10 people at each point to protect them. Since the other servers HAVE to recap 3 of the 5 points in order to take away the buff, this allows for 3 10 man teams to hold the buff while the 50 man zerg hits other objectives. Not to mention you can call in half the 50 man zerg to defend a point if needed.

The bad implementation is that you can’t neutralize without taking the buff. This means that other than the first 10 minutes of a match, SOMEONE will have the Orb buff and possibly 2 or 3.

Blix.8021:

While most sane people stopped caring about the score a year ago, some still cling to the notion that WvW is a competitive game type with PPT being the indicator of success or failure. You’ve seen them, the crazy people who want to hold a tower “for the tick,” as if matters. Those are the types who don’t like GvG.

Sad as it is, you kind of nailed it.

I really think you should be able to neutralize it. Making it this way just means that the server with more people will have it all the time, because if you only have 20 people on the map you won’t be able to cap it but you will be able to take a couple points and hurt the bigger server.

No roaming group(s) is going to be able to take 3 of the 5 for 2 minutes and recap the buff from a server that has 70 people. Bad implementation.

EDIT: all of this stuff is in the next patch, sept 17th

EDIT2: static siege with ability to build MORE siege.. good luck roaming groups.

I think the limit for Lord loot is once every 1-2 minutes.

But yeah, when the matches are over on Monday night, what else is there to do..?

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Why do you have to do 15 of 15 again?

1 AP is difference between life and death in the Mists.

Vol.5241:

tolunart.2095:

Thick leather, elder wood and mithril are used in the creation of T7 mats, eventually ascended armor will be introduced and silk will be needed. It looks like someone is speculating that the scraps they buy at min price today will be worth something tomorrow.

^ this

I’ve been hoarding gossamer scraps. Got about 300g worth. Hoping it’ll rise to +7-10s

Same. not to that extent though. I am saving everything I get from salvaging all these blues/green though.

Best case is that buying it at vendor price means you can’t lose money on it, ever.. you can only sell for whatever profit you can

2-4 hours? what??

side note I think you are following me in-game yet i dont know who you are

Cassius.4831:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Refine T6 Mats.
Craft Oils (sharp stone, crystals, maintenance oils) – Got me to 436
Craft 2-4 Exotics.

450 – 500
Refine T7 Mats for Weapon.

Which mats do you refine when you reach 475?? Because they don’t give almost any experience once you are over this level

Sorry. I thought I edited that post. 475-500 is exotics ( I think it’s 6-8).

REMEMBER CRAFT TODAY BEFORE YOUR WvW BONUS GOES AWAY!!!

also crafting booster + guild boost

I’ve heard you get them from salvaging Exotics of the same stat type. Can’t confirm though.

LoneWolfie.1852:

Anyone seen the cost of crafting one kitten ascended weapons? 200 Gold in total to reach 500 and craft one weapon. Subsequent weapons cost 50 g each. WvW players are completely shafted. Either give players bags of coins for each player kill or increase rewards for taking over areas or drop more heavy loot bags. This is getting out of hand.

I’m mostly a WvW player and I’ve had more problem getting to 500 crafting and making the items I need to to make my weapon.

The 200g figure was the QUICKEST way to get to 500, not the cheapest. Please remember that.

Player Character.9467:

That website doesn’t account for any of the ascended material refinements. Starting at 450 you can craft the mats that go into making the ascended weapon and those will also give you craft exp. Also none of gw2craft.net factors in using a crafting booster.

Also doesn’t account for the fact you can refine mats and make Oils..

Please stop posting about “omg its 200g!!” It’s not. Stop being a follower and figure stuff out on your own.

ResJudicator.7916:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Flipping paper keeps as we were yesterday is a lot faster than waiting for Temple runs to start.

Doesn’t matter. You only get the reward once per day per keep, no matter how many times you flip it.

Incorrect. Thanks to TC’s massive numbers and flipping our home BL multiple times I can tell you, this is not working as it says in the notes.

Vaine.2381:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Not to mention, you don’t need to have these weapons. It’s a personal choice to go for them, just like Legendaries.

I have to disagree on this.You have to have an ascended weapons because ascended armor is coming this year.This is going to happen to people who loves doing dungeons alot.You join a party.The party leader ask you to link ur gear.Everyone else link ascended gear/weps and you linked exotics gear/weps. Leader kicks you. Of course you can always make your own party but you will never hear the end of this hey party leader just make ascended gear/weps this run was slow becuz of your gear or something similar to this.So yea getting ascended things is a Must and Expensive

Are you pulling the “COFP1 ZERKER PING GEAR” argument? Lol..

Were you ever kicked because you brought rare items instead of Exotics? I never have.

I got to 450 weaponsmith by making TWO exotic items. 2! I’m going to wait to see how far making the needed, time-gated items gets me and then I’ll make more depending on how many I need.

If the issue is globs, doing meta events will not only give you Rares (which we’ve only had 100% rares for 6 months) but it gives you the Dragonite Ore. Since you say mats are the issue, why aren’t you gathering the 25 items needed to finish your daily?

FotM without AR? Don’t you have 6 other places you can put it? (forgive any ignorance here, I don’t ‘do’ fotm)

I won’t make a comparison between ‘hardcore and casuals’ and yes Legendaries should be account bound (no idea why they aren’t). The PvE side doesn’t really take skill and doing 5% more damage in PvE doesn’t really account for a whole lot, unless you are trying to solo events.

You act like “casuals” are poor. We just had a month of PURE event farming. Even if you logged in for 1 hour a day, that was ONE invasion and netted you 30-40 Champ Boxes.

I got mine last night.

You get all you need by playing the game, not sure how that’s a grind. 500 Dragonite ore? that’s 25 Meta events, or 5 days MAX. There are cheap ways to get to 450 crafting AND you can sell the items made at that level.

I’m doing things I’ve never done before to get my Asc weapons, having a blast and have not seen this “grind” you speak of.

Not to mention, you don’t need to have these weapons. It’s a personal choice to go for them, just like Legendaries.

Ore – World Bosses
Fragments – Flip Camps in WvW

Flipping paper keeps as we were yesterday is a lot faster than waiting for Temple runs to start.

The time gate is Spiritwood Planks and Dir Steel Ingot. Both are sellable however.

Refine T6 Mats.
Craft Oils (sharp stone, crystals, maintenance oils) – Got me to 436
Craft 2-4 Exotics.

450 – 500
Refine T7 Mats for Weapon.

Karma is the EASIEST part of a Legendary.

I’ve heard everything now.

Wish TC would just let us cap something, you know you want Dragonite Ore too!!

“Play how you want”

and

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Siege-Trolls-and-Leagues/

Look at my signature.. it’s not as important to some people as it is to others. Just like PPT and GvG and roaming and everything else in this game.

Oroibahazopi.9074:

People will move upwards to get rewards, no question. Transfer fees aren’t even that much considering the other new content and the price tags there.

Lower level servers will be constantly at war with themselves between the guys who want to PvE and the guys who WvW, it already happens now. A real tangible prize will just ad more kitten to fling around. Oh and a hell of a lot of resentment since people who don’t even participate in WvW will be rewarded.

Actually..

“The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.”

Meaning the winner of League 2 will probably get better rewards than 4-12 in League 1. If I was on DB or FA, I’d be moving down to #12-14 to get better rewards.

Radioactive.1248:

LilMcGinley.3890:

No one will “flock” when a server transfer is 80 Gold and the reward is less than that.

also: “The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.”

Which is why I said the 13-15 ranked servers may end up being markedly better than the mid ranked gold league servers. And clearly you didn’t read my post because just this week we had 100+ people from Devona’s Rest transfer to SBI. Clearly they are flocking, and clearly you’re not informed.

Isn’t that what everyone has been complaining about lately? Getting more people to lower ranked servers?

and half of your points have already been answered by Devs in other threads, no need to reread what I’ve already seen.

No one will “flock” when a server transfer is 80 Gold and the reward is less than that.

also: “The rewards for finishing 2nd in the Bronze League will be markedly better than the rewards for finishing 6th in the Gold league.”

Loved the impromptu Guild fight club on FA BL. Had a blast

No. It will just be removed. Sorry to burst your bubble.

It will be interesting to see how this pans out. I can see lower servers having some population boosts to earn point and “screw over” higher population servers from points.

Not to mention – Devon already mentioned that there is going to be something coming that will help lower population servers with transfers so the will be interesting to see as well.

BlackAngel.1349:

Boonprot.6274:

BlackAngel.1349:

Boonprot.6274:

burningoat.7052:

yes we are full que

Well when you hug TG’s nuts like you did between Garri and EK like that, it becomes a full queue.

Umm, TG came in behind because they saw orange swords. Stop accusing people if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

One of your commanders just told us that your map is queued. GG 37 people.

Yeah, its our home BL, you expect it to not be queued? It doesn’t mean that everyone on the map is running together. Seriously get your head out of your kitten and think for a second.

Whenever everyone is running together, we can say everyone is running together… because they are.

Archtos.8523:

You cannot claim that your 37 NAME + TG + EE is less than 60. No way.

If that is 60, I’m the president of the world.

burningoat.7052:

Man agg you must be mad about losing that GvG now you are running in full zerg with ARK now too ,you should really try to tune your skills instead of zerg dogging around to compensate for your lack of skill

I think 60v60 is fair game. Or do you prefer fighting 60v30, I can’t tell.

Add Fist of the Empire to the list of guilds that have stopped playing, for all reasons you listed here.

eithinan.9841:

FrankieBonez.8361:

Evalana.5480:

Ansorin, you are one of my favorite people on DB, and I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. That being said, perspective is everything, and until you have been on both sides of the coin you only see what you know. I like to think that xferring around has humbled me a bit. You will never see me bragging and chest thumping about wiping anyone anymore. I have wiped guilds WITH dragonbrand, and I have wiped dragonbrand guilds I have gone against. The amount of disrespect shown from the braggards in the ‘EAT conglomeration’ is absurd and I look forward to watching someone knock the collective down a peg or two. Yay, you wiped Agg. So have we! But we have also been bashed in the face by them countless times as well. No need tto get kitteny about it.

I agree. The outbursts were really uncharacteristic of us tbh. Like you said, unless you know both sides of the story – (ex: were they uncalled for ?) – you only know what you know.

Let us not forget the VOIP sabotage and spying that is going on from jericho and AGG. Lets remember the arrogance of 1 guild telling people the “rules” of WvW. These guys have been trolling our Db community since they moved to mags. Appropriate I know considering where they are, but still BS. They tried to rope the bull and got the horns by not realizing that telling people to not do something is the exact way to get them to do something.

So Evalana, butt out. I’m sure AGG doesn’t need you coming to their rescue(or maybe they do). You willingly do not have a dog in this fight due to your migrant status.

I think you are mad, I’m not sure though.

Who needs spies when everyone runs together, you find 1 you find them all.

Silent Shino.7239:

I recently found this interactive map but I just can’t figure out how to use it http://www.fist-of-the-empire.com/GW2-WvW-Map.html#z3z7
can anyone tell me how to?

Well this is embarrassing. Hey Shino, this is LilMcGinley from Fist of the Empire. Nice to see you got ahold of our WvW map, unfortunately YOU BROKE IT! Just kidding of course. I will bug the guy who actually has access to that part of our website and hopefully get it fixed for ya.

Please, shoot me a PM so I can remember who to reply to when it does get fixed.

kingcragus.6810:

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups

Use that…to the right of the match ups is a link to a live map for that match up

The FoE interactive map allows you to place siege, check ranges and save maps, I’m not aware that millenium has the same capabilities.

JBone.8602:

Whoa did Agg just get wiped again from the ppt guild??

If by “guild” you mean map zerg (80vs30) then yes, Agg wiped to a “ppt guild”..

Worst part.. we were at a +390 PPT.. Doesn’t look like a guild very good at playing PPT.

PS: props to ARK and PYRO – gotta love when teamwork overcomes pure numbers. Cheers fellas

PSS: was kind of funny when EAT ran from NW Tower thru the camp to avoid Agg but ran right into PYRO n company.. I don’t get that.

Cymric.7368:

ParaldaWind.4523:

Cymric.7368:

All I am reading in this post is ppl crying about siege stopping their wxp train, which they justify as “good fights”. Sorry no, defending an objective already have crappy reward as it is. There is no need to nerf siege such that people are even less inclined to defend.

I think you misunderstood. I don’t really care if we take the keep or not, I just miss utilizing the relatively unique terrain and layouts of keeps in fights. It was fun to fight inside outer of garrison. Now it’s just a death trap of red circles.

You see, this is a layer of depth in WvW that will disappear if the siege are make weaker, the control of supplies.

A keep whose defenders refuse to come out and fight will eventually fall because you can cut their supplies, take out their siege one by one with siege of your own and break through eventually. If the lords room is too well siege up, hit somewhere else to force them to move, without supplies they can’t do any significant repairs. When they move you can force them into a battle.

Of course, this course of action will take a long time if the defenders have plenty of supplies. If this happens, its entirely the fault of the attacking side. Why did the attacking side not killed dolyaks and take supply camps to prevent the defenders from upgrading and stockpiling supplies? If everyone want to zerg and no one want to cut supplies, well, you reap what you sow and deserve to have and grinding long battle to take the keep.

The problem imo, is not the siege, its the failure to control supplies.

Supply control doesn’t exist in this game. When you can freely port to any BL, grab supply and port back, that defeats the purpose of playing the “supply game”. Each keep in EB after the first 10 hours is constant 1,700 supply and with the ability to move that to other BLs instantly, like I said, defeats the purpose of trying to control supply.

Ayusaki.6739:

Luna.9640:

Ayusaki.6739:

Saw this on reddit, took me a moment to realize this changed too.

I’ve added few more on top of the one i posted on reddit and you saw :

http://imgur.com/a/VMugH

So have I. Mine is a “What you might have missed-type”, not a complete overview.

Hope this doesn’t get Hugh into trouble!

http://imgur.com/a/nepxQ

Master cannon build site?? Did he put that there or was it there when he went into the area?

They do these kind of things because we will tear it down ourselves, we speak for them in a way.

saiyr.3071:

Korsbaek.9803:

LilMcGinley.3890:

T1 had 3 GvGs this week (IRON/RISE, TW/RISE, CHOO/ESOL) taking out 1 hour for each match for each server, that’s 6 hours out of the week with a total of 504 hours (168 for each server). That’s like 1.1% of the time.

If someone knew what times these matches occurred, a simple check on http://mos.millenium.org before, during and after the match we could clearly see the effect, positive or negative, GvGs do have, if any, on T1 NA WvW.

This would actually prove or disprove the entire argument up until now, rather than throwing around pointless population numbers that no one has any clue about because ANet won’t release the information.

edit: ignore the logical post and continue a pointless discussion

that is somewhat true but its also falsh as you need to eleminat all other things like pve events, RL problems and compare it to same time span other days and you might have somewhat bullet proof arguments else there are a few flawes in your arguemnts that will make your statistics worthless

Exactly. When people say PPT basically boils down to coverage, that includes many things, like everything you mentioned above. All of that factors into coverage. This thread was created entirely based on confirmation bias.

Yes, I agree. I was just trying to draw a parallel to what OP thinks the cause and effect is: GvG and PPT. I never saw any kind of correlation between the two other than “omg i lost waypted garrison” and some numbers being thrown around.

I provided OP and everyone here a valid way to gather CONCRETE data about this “issue” is about. If what OP says is true, the 2 servers that are currently GvGing should, in theory, LOSE PPT while the 3rd should gain.

9-11PM CDT is the typical time when GvGs happen plus/minus 30 minutes. Just at the couple of examples I saw: the PPTs of all 3 servers, while they fluctuated, exited the window at the same number as they entered (plus/minus 25 points).

The effect is minimal when you look at it over a 1 week period.

Mattargul.9235:

The green scribbles (FPS meter and ping it looks like?) – are they an overlay from a 3rd party tool, or part of the dev build he is using?

Gotta be Dev tools.

I just want the ability to blow up walls and stuff like that… Must be fun playing God sometimes.

saiyr.3071:

Pimpi.7843:

why is a GvG in direct opposition of wvw? it’s just an open field fight. or am i wrong?
you say the GvGers are trolling. we are not trolling we just added in an awesome game, an additional “game mode”

He posts this in every single thread that mentions GvG.

GvG Anti-Christ if you will.

insanemaniac.2456:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Hule.8794:

If You need to hold just 3 of 5, there will be 25 man guild holding them and pugs taking bay or hills..

So 8 people holding each point? Please I’d love to see only 8 people holding it. Free bags.

prolly more like 1-5 on each point and a larger group running cleaning crew

…theres a reason spvp is kind of centered around single people holding points while 3 or so roam around dealing with attacks. it makes sense to have minimal forces where the enemy isnt.

Yep – this is going to add another level of chaos in WvW.

Do you hold the Buff while being hit in multiple towers/keeps? or give it up to pull more people to defend?
Do you hold the Buff while attacking a targer? or do you let someone else cap in order to “rush” a tower with more people?

It’ll be a chaotic first week that’s for sure.

Luna.9640:

Ayusaki.6739:

Saw this on reddit, took me a moment to realize this changed too.

I’ve added few more on top of the one i posted on reddit and you saw :

http://imgur.com/a/VMugH

They have changed the landscape around the lake quite alot.

There is something big in the middle of the lake as well as you can see on the last screen.

Basically those 4 new cap points are like 4 new supply camps for thieves and people who love small scale skirmishes around the map tho can’t say clearly what will be the impact and magnitude of this wvw buff for holding them.

Any change on the landscape adds more opportunity for new tactics/siege placement and strategies.

People shouldn’t cry about new stuff before playing it.

That 3rd screenshot looks like a capture point, maybe they all aren’t designed the same? Thieves and roamers are gonna love this new map.. wow, I’m actually impressed.

Hule.8794:

If You need to hold just 3 of 5, there will be 25 man guild holding them and pugs taking bay or hills..

So 8 people holding each point? Please I’d love to see only 8 people holding it. Free bags.

With the population imbalances that we have no in WvW.. .good friggin luck dude..

Mystery.7392:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Mystery.7392:

So….

No new map.

Did you even watch the stream?

EDIT: in the screenshot above he is currently STANDING WHERE WATER SHOULD BE (via the mini-map) but is on a new “Colosseum” of sort which works towards Bloodlust in the Borderlands (new name for Orb?)

Oh my gosh..they changed 1 small area on the map.. You call THAT a new map?

Lol you need to think outside the box.. If 1 area was changed to hold what looks like an “orb point” – wouldn’t they change the areas surrounding the OTHER 4?!

Removing the lake and putting in these “orb points” is HUGE. Not to mention all of the other changes in the map you saw while he was panning his camera.

Mif.3471:

Oops :P

ohhhh snap.. BRING ON OPEN FIELD FIGHTS BABY!!!!