Guild Wars 2

Zinrae.3769:

Zulubeast.8519:

Looks like a way to break up the zerg as well, not enough information from the stream to pass positive/negative judgement but I’m excited for the changes at least!

Not so sure about that, since all 5 of the cap points are in a circle in the middle relatively close to eachother.

Not sure how the dynamic would work but I would assume you can de-cap from other servers, meaning you can’t just zerg each one down because it will just be flipped again by another server.

Hickeroar.9734:

MartyPartys.9187:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

I laughed my kitten off, the admin was desperatly trying to delete all GvG comments but there were too many, then the word GvG got filtered and if you typed it you got banned for 6 minutes.

It’s sad, but quite funny. At least they can’t say they never heard anyone asking for it..

Oh and for the buffs, it’s going to be that your server has to hold 3/5 capping circles, so if you were going to GvG just let the 3rd server take all the points and it’s ok

Griefers are never going to let this happen.

My mind is blown at how intentionally blind ANet is being on the GvG issue. People have been asking for it since beta. It was only a matter of time before it hit a fever pitch.

Did you catch if the buffs are map specific or WvW/game-world wide?

He never said.

Mystery.7392:

So….

No new map.

Did you even watch the stream?

EDIT: in the screenshot above he is currently STANDING WHERE WATER SHOULD BE (via the mini-map) but is on a new “Colosseum” of sort which works towards Bloodlust in the Borderlands (new name for Orb?)

Thesilentflute.8761:

Chopps.5047:

Lol @ “whoa, people still care about PPT?”

Amazing people take the false moral high ground instead of admitting they were outplayed by JQ and their own GvG affected the outcome.

GvG is a bit like losing a tpvp match and saying “whoa, people still care about capping points? 1v1 me bro. No stomps, you lose on down, and we stay in this little corner of the map” What a strange way to play gw2—it’s the ultimate egotistic / vanity move: lose PPT so start thumping chest and challenging a 1v1 to save face. That’s all this gvg nonsense is (besides a complete joke).

Lol @ everyone who thinks that way: you lost before the battle even started. Oh, and for all your gvg “pro” nonsense, I still wipe the floor with my ranger. Ahahaha! GG

You guys used to have heart for wvw— now you’re an empty shell. Eagerly awaiting the exodus of gvg guilds and the resulting mayhem in T1. Your tears level me up!

Your guild does "GvG"man you guys are ranked 11th on the “GvG” site. http://gw2gvg.com/guild.php?id=83

Ranking means nothing LOL

Xsorus.2507:

It was a huge island in the middle, with a huge castle/tower

There was a sentry point where you were talking about. Sentry in a tower?? Maybe they just redesigned the temple of storms area to match the new “orb areas”

There we go.. finally getting into it.

I think it’s a good way to leak information. Devon said Bye Bye quaggans so at least this is something to go off other than that 1 statement, gets rid of the hearsay.

LOL.. did someone ask what the ‘new icons in the lake’ were and he passed over the question?

Look at the mini-map… and when he pans his camera..

But yeah – I don’t think what they are talking about is really what they want to show

Zikory.6871:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Can someone track the T1 GvGs next, mark down the PPT before, during and after and put this pointless thread to rest?

That’s still won’t prove anything. It would have to be a much longer time, and have both well timed GvG’s on empty maps and also GvG’s on queued active maps.

I mostly posted this so that Flute would actually realize there is a good way to bring up this “omg gvg ruining PPT in T1” rather than talking about populations.

Mif.3471:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Mif.3471:

ParaldaWind.4523:

I’m sure there are people who like using arrow carts to wipe zergs… I’m just not one of them.

Well whether you like it or not, siege warfare is one of the fundamental design elements of WvW. Stop demanding WvW to be changed to something it was never intended or claimed to be.

So is the 2nd part, I don’t see it all that often though.

“sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat”

No one is demanding open field combat be removed from the game.

No one is demanding Siege warfare be removed from the game, it is needed to bring down walls/doors and that part should stay.

The suggestion was to bring the siege part of WvW down from the levels that it is so that people can actually fight people, rather than look for siege inside and decide it isn’t worth their time to attack. I pulled the quote from Devon because very few people actually fight in the open field anymore (until recent gvg-movement on the NA side). 9 times out of 10 the group will retreat to their nearest tower, even when even-numbered.

They have been pushing the move to make all PvE gear available in WvW and that I like (even back pieces are coming and that’s awesome).

Yes, I’d LOVE WvW only skins for specific goals.

Dolyak armor for 1k yaks kills? YOU BET.
Specific skins for 10k-50k-100k-150k-200k-250k kills? YES PLEASE!

Now that the LS is pretty much in its “grove” I hope they start paying attention to the WvW scene. It’s becoming very toxic as of late and it’s killing the game mode for many players.

Raven.9603:

snip

So it doesn’t take skill to be one of, if not, the best? Learn something new every day.

Skill is a very “person based” thing. If person A is a master theory-crafter, person B is a master gear theory-crafter, person C is a great and motivational leader and person D is flawless in their execution of skills/utilities/attacks.. Aren’t all 4 of those types of people just as important to a group and guilds success as the others?

The answer is yes by the way.

AC mastery has removed this from WvW and like VoTF pushed hard for months back, it needs to change.

Can someone track the T1 GvGs next, mark down the PPT before, during and after and put this pointless thread to rest?

Mif.3471:

ParaldaWind.4523:

I’m sure there are people who like using arrow carts to wipe zergs… I’m just not one of them.

Well whether you like it or not, siege warfare is one of the fundamental design elements of WvW. Stop demanding WvW to be changed to something it was never intended or claimed to be.

So is the 2nd part, I don’t see it all that often though.

“sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat”

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

LilMcGinley.3890:

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Give Arrow Carts limited ammo.. problem solved. You want 20 ACs? congratz you just blew all your supply when you have to rebuild them

That’s interesting. Would you figure all projectile-based siege should have this? Do you think there could be a mechanic to feed it more ammo, but it would cost you?

For other projectile based siege.. it’s iffy. They don’t hold the same “lock down” power that ACs do. It would be really interesting to decide.. upgrade Garrison or treb Bay? Now you can do both really easily.

If there was a way to “reload” them, take it from available supply in the Keep but only after a worker upgrade. You upgrade your workers to “Ammunition Mechanics” for 300 supply and they will reload X number of AC every Y minutes.

The spammability of ACs puts them in-line with thieves, thus creating problems.

I like this. I would also think it could replace siege timer. There would definitely be a steep learning curve for pugs not to just fire ACs willy nilly, but I get kind of tired of catering to that end of spectrum when it means throwing away would could be an interesting tactical change. The option to reload in a tower or keep would also keep them out of the open filed fights more. Hmm. You are right, as it stands now you don’t have to choose between sieging a nearby objective and upgrades, you get the whole shebang which doesn’t require a lot of thought. So maybe over time this encourages upgraded keeps before sieging surrounding towers and that, I do like.

Well honestly.. WvW is more like “hot-join zerg warfare” rather than anything close to being tactical warfare, which it should be. A change like this would change the dynamic of WvW overnight. So many interesting dynamics will come into play if siege was limited use.

The only choice in WvW now is which commander to follow and which tower/keep to PvDoor with 80 people. That needs to change.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Give Arrow Carts limited ammo.. problem solved. You want 20 ACs? congratz you just blew all your supply when you have to rebuild them

That’s interesting. Would you figure all projectile-based siege should have this? Do you think there could be a mechanic to feed it more ammo, but it would cost you?

For other projectile based siege.. it’s iffy. They don’t hold the same “lock down” power that ACs do. It would be really interesting to decide.. upgrade Garrison or treb Bay? Now you can do both really easily.

If there was a way to “reload” them, take it from available supply in the Keep but only after a worker upgrade. You upgrade your workers to “Ammunition Mechanics” for 300 supply and they will reload X number of AC every Y minutes.

The spammability of ACs puts them in-line with thieves, thus creating problems.

Caliban.3176:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Give Arrow Carts limited ammo.. problem solved. You want 20 ACs? congratz you just blew all your supply when you have to rebuild them

While that help a lot I think it opens up too many possibilities for griefing. I do like the general idea of having to tactically pick the right time to use the AC. Maybe give it 20 shots before it goes on a full cooldown for 60s or more. Something to reduce the spam.

The reasoning was the spam-ability of ACs. Making them more tactical is my reasoning behind such a move/change.

Give Arrow Carts limited ammo.. problem solved. You want 20 ACs? congratz you just blew all your supply when you have to rebuild them

T1 had 3 GvGs this week (IRON/RISE, TW/RISE, CHOO/ESOL) taking out 1 hour for each match for each server, that’s 6 hours out of the week with a total of 504 hours (168 for each server). That’s like 1.1% of the time.

If someone knew what times these matches occurred, a simple check on http://mos.millenium.org before, during and after the match we could clearly see the effect, positive or negative, GvGs do have, if any, on T1 NA WvW.

This would actually prove or disprove the entire argument up until now, rather than throwing around pointless population numbers that no one has any clue about because ANet won’t release the information.

edit: ignore the logical post and continue a pointless discussion

Sol.4310:

LilMcGinley.3890:

CrassBippy.4619:

I love reading the gvg = skill stuff. Watch videos, people macro #1 spam and just mash all their dmg or heals. Any more then 8v8 and its beyond messy

My only question: what horrible GvG videos have you been watching?

They just need to give you guys 20 v 20 options in Custom Arena, so we don’t ever have to hear this GvG garbage in SPvP again.

I’ve watched many video’s of WvW guild’s and I was mind blown that you guy’s called it skill all you do is PRESS 11111111111 and move in a ball over the top of the other ball. How the hell is that skill.

Like I said before, you must not be watching good GvG videos… it is not simply PRESS 1111111 and if you believe that, you must be very easy to convince. Bring 15 people and just press 11111 and see how quickly you guys die.

I don’t know why people say GvG is good in sPvP – sPvP is probably the WORST place for it. I agree with you there but sadly ANet does not and won’t give GvG a specific arena.

Wryog.5073:

As hard as it might be to believe, GvG does have a ton of tactics involved. I’m talking about calling out CC, banners, movement, FIELDS, time warp, veil, reflects etc.
Just because everyone is running in 1 stack doesn’t mean that they’re just spamming 1 on everything in their way. The stacking during a fight is because of the 5 man AoE cap. Maybe if that was removed in a GvG arena mode things might look a bit different.
Also PvP-only free food buffs? Why not? Might end up making things a bit more interesting.

This, exactly this. GvG is about composition, positioning, timing and everyone doing THEIR job at the exact moment it is needed. There is an easy line to see the guilds that do this and the guilds that don’t. That is why there is very rarely a GvG that doesn’t end up in a shutout (5-0 or 7-0).

There is tons of theorycrafting that goes into GvG. It isn’t just a pure melee train with Guardians/Warriors (you’d get destroyed) it’s “ok we need guardians” How many? what spec? DPS? Heal? “ok we need warriors” how many what spec what weapons? “ok, do we need an engineer?” So on and so forth.

Almost every WvW meta that has existed in this game as come from GvG or organized guilds theorycrafting builds and comps to fight other guilds.

CrassBippy.4619:

I love reading the gvg = skill stuff. Watch videos, people macro #1 spam and just mash all their dmg or heals. Any more then 8v8 and its beyond messy

My only question: what horrible GvG videos have you been watching?

Savoy.6824:

I agree LilMcGinley. I think it will be some iteration of the +50 stats buff. Otherwise he would have worded it differently. Im posting to try to raise awareness of this because if you dont like it then now is the time to voice your opinion. Its going live in two weeks. Personally Id like it to be a boost to magic find, or gold find. Something that doesnt affect gvg and solo roamers.

When did they announce the time table for release??

Wow 2 weeks. Get your GvGs in now!!

eithinan.9841:

LilMcGinley.3890:

so much kitten…

1) “underhanded tactics” wow, spying is a part of the game, get over it. FoE spied all the friggin time. it is what it is, I guess i expected better from a guild like AGG

2) overpower commands? If any guild is good enough, you don’t need 1 commander to ALWAYS be there talking 24/7, everyone should be good enough to know what they need to be doing regardless of who is leading.Not a guild. it was the public TS, So AGG was admitting they feared our pugs

3) If I had a guild of 30-45, I would quit 15v15s too.blah…blah..blahh….chest thump…blah..blah..why ..should..I ..care ..about ….blahhhh….FOE???!?!??!

blah.. blah rb hate..blah..

I’m not in rb.

If that is all you got from my post.. I fear for humanity.

saiyr.3071:

LilMcGinley.3890:

MartyPartys.9187:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Is there any reason why the BACK button screws up the website? You have to click a tab or link to get it to show, makes browsing guild records really annoying.

wait.. there is a back button?

I honestly don’t know what you mean

The back button on my browser.. Sorry should have clarified.

I’ve never noticed issues with the back button not working on the site, that I recall.

Yeah I’m working with him via PM to figure it out.

To everyone that replied to me: Yes I’m aware of what Devon said, I just stated that everything currently believes that the OLD BUFF will return. The one with +50 stats.

He said is a different mechanic, I highly, HIGHLY doubt it is a portable item like it was before so yeah, GvG over the orb won’t happen.

EDIT: If he meant a different buff (not the +50 stats) I believe he would have said “bringing a buff back”, not “the buff”. I guess time will tell.

Hickeroar.9734:

Savoy.6824:

Hate to burst your bubble @MartyPartys but heres a direct quote from Devon Carter

“Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes, although the way you get it and hold it is going to be drastically different. Are you going to see a major map change in concert with this? Yes. Is it coming soon? Most definitely.”

From this thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Orbs-of-Power-gonna-return/first

They are bringing the stat buff back.

And then later Devon said they provided no details about what “the buff” was, as a backpedal on that comment.

Everyone is under the assumption that "the buff’ is the original + stats buff.

EDIT: I think might be the “backpedal”

“You aren’t talking to thin air. However, keep in mind that the more you all speculate about something with essentially 0 information, the less inclined we are to constantly pop in and correct you. We will release more info about the changes coming when we are ready to do so. I’m teasing some stuff and trying to be clear about some things, but I can’t tell you all everything for a variety of reasons. Suffice to say, rampant speculation is very unlikely to see many, if any, dev responses.”

But doesn’t really say much, sadly.

MartyPartys.9187:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Is there any reason why the BACK button screws up the website? You have to click a tab or link to get it to show, makes browsing guild records really annoying.

wait.. there is a back button?

I honestly don’t know what you mean

The back button on my browser.. Sorry should have clarified.

Manuelito.6081:

perhaps identifying the Server you play in, might be useful.

AR.

I have the same character as you, I went with the Gem Store armor (the last one to come out). Looks decent and almost every piece has 4 dye slots so you can customize very nicely.

MartyPartys.9187:

Done with reworking the rating system and leaderboards. I ran all the matches up till now (ordered by date) through the system, both the rating system and leaderboard are alot more accurate now and I can say there’s some interesting shifting!

This will also be in for the new website, can’t wait to show it to you guys.

Is there any reason why the BACK button screws up the website? You have to click a tab or link to get it to show, makes browsing guild records really annoying.

Jayne.9251:

snip.

I think his mindset is in the right place but it is explained poorly. What I believe Hick is trying to say is that the majority of people who are against GvG still see the ‘server pride’ and ‘joy’ of winning via PPT, rather than knowing that WvW is more fun when it is just about the fights. Most of the older or “senor” guilds quit playing the PPT game a long time ago and have shifted their focus towards personal and guild skill, something they can actually control. You can not control coverage on a guild scale.

Winning WvW isn’t dependent on any 1 guild so it takes the pride out of it. GvG is about Guild Pride and being better than your opponent, not just simply having more people over a 168 hour period.

Swamurabi.7890:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Swamurabi.7890:

Anet has some choices here.

Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.

- WvW changes are made with the mindset of sieging points in mind, won’t happen.

Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.

- Any semi-hardcore guild that is in WvW every day has at least a little interest in GvG, if all of the main gvg guilds stopped playing WvW, it wouldn’t die but there would be an even bigger gap between servers.

Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.- Sadly this is what will probably happen. There are a lot of game set to come out, all with better open field, open world PvP than GW2.

Edited my responses next to yours.

sPvP arena is no where NEAR GvG, please don’t suggest putting it in there and if you do, you have no idea what you are talking about. Come watch some gvgs and see what they are all about

However, in order for there to be GvG ranking, you will need to be able to go up against anyone at any time, which isn’t possible with the current WvW 3 server matchups. Even though GvG has started inside WvW, it will have to move to PvP to grow.

I agree. My point was meant to say: gvg can not reside in the current spvp arenas, sorry about any miscommunication.

If sPvP and WvW had a baby, it’d be GvG. Take the best of both worlds. Structured but open field and with set rules.

SykkoB.9465:

I also dont get why this server is soo against GVG, when they only have 1 guild that does it. Plus this server has the best coverage and is winning

People will complain about anything and everything.

They are upset they didn’t win by MORE points than they did.

Niim.9260:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Niim.9260:

LilMcGinley.3890:

2) overpower commands? If any guild is good enough, you don’t need 1 commander to ALWAYS be there talking 24/7, everyone should be good enough to know what they need to be doing regardless of who is leading.

If any guild is good enough, you don’t need to spy on the enemy or mess with their commands in voice chat.

Still sounds like y’all need to learn to let go… or at least, like I’ve said, take a chance to get your “revenge” on “those bad people from Agg”. Y’all are taking a random troll moment from a guild & making it your motto for life… kind of sad really…

Take your forum warriors and actually prove something on the battlefield.

I didn’t say anything for or against Agg, I was simply pointing out how silly it is for you to tell others to suck it up because if they were good enough they could deal with it, when I doubt that is the point of their anger in the first place and on the flip side if someone is good why are they trolling other folks voice chats.

True, I don’t get why people get so bent out of shape or hold grudges over a video game… And yeah, was wrong of me to lump you in with the rB crowd, just seemed like something they would post. Sorry about that.

It’s just a funny troll moment that people took way to dang seriously and took to the forums rather than talking to Agg in a sidebar and asking them what they were doing. We were even in SoR’s Teamspeak that night running around, they took it as a joke and didn’t go all forum warrior on us and hold some insane grudge.

ps: ban that dolyak spy i hear he is loud

Halo.8976:

Hickeroar.9734:

No way, man. I heard a dolyak listened in on Mag’s mumble… I definitely think the next two pages should be dedicated to that. Uncalled for.

This dolyak never claimed to be “unofficial king of NA”.

You should just come of the closet and admit your undying, unhealthy affection for Agg. Half of your posts are about them, just admit you love them, we won’t judge you harshly..

Hickeroar.9734:

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

My take on this issue? I would love to see GvG areas that are not a part of the WvW maps. One person in this thread suggested Claw Island. That would be just fine by me.

It will not happen until Anet finds a way to monetize it. In the mean time, buy yourselves a private sPvP arena and learn to play Asuraball.

Most GvG guilds already have their own sPvP arenas. 10v10 asuraball…..is not GvG. How people continue to draw the sPvP/GvG comparison just baffles me. They’re not even in the same realm.

People draw that comparison for 2 reasons:

1) they think WvW is purely for siege combat – Devon even posted that WvW is for “sieging castles and keeps and open field combat”
2) even numbers – the meta of WvW, as JScull’s signature so eloquently puts it “If you can’t beat them, add more numbers”, is a zerg where the bigger group typically wins the engagement. Fighting on even playing field is too hard a concept for some people to grasp.

“Some of the times it’s because the commander ask for help with sieges but can’t get any, because GvG players are holding the queue”

I’ll stop you right there. While this may be the case in T1, this certainly isn’t the case in any other tier anywhere and quite frankly, tier 1 did that to itself in their constant stacking/recruiting wars.

Not to mention, NONE of these fights take place on either servers HOME BL (because the spawns are closer to Server C’s Home BL).

Convenant.7092:

Straegen.2938:

#1… yep… so good I am putting it in my tag line (had to modify to get down to 100 chars)

I’m not sure if you’re agreeing with me or just sarcastically stupid.
snip

I think he was agreeing.

I’m not a lore guy, never liked that stuff tbh, but if there is not current “guild war” going on, why is this game called Guild Wars?

And to be technical, each person belongs to a guild (race) and a Guild (group of people with common goals) so wouldn’t “guild wars” incorporate both of those ideals?

The term “The Guild Wars” refers to the PvE side you are talking about, while “guild wars” refers to guilds (either races or people) fighting over something, to me at least.

But shouldn’t what a Guild War is be open to interpretation by the person?

PoweredByRice.3517:

grabs more popcorn More Agg drama post pls. K, Thanks.

I heard Agg took more than 1 piece of candy from the bowl outside of a random house on Halloween when the sign clearly said “Take only 1 please”…

gasp

Geiir.7603:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Geiir.7603:

I love to interfere with GvG games. Makes them go crazy and have to start over again ;]

Is it sad that people like you are going to be the driving force to getting GvG its own arena?

I would love to see GvG get it’s on arena, not because I’m against it (I sometimes participate) but because I think it should have an arena of its own.

The reason I jump in is because I’m sometimes in a troll mood and just feel for it. Many of the GvG guilds think they have the right to do that, and they get kitten ed off when people interfere. What they fail to realize is that WvW is a PvP environment where three different servers are fighting each other, therefore they have no right to be angry at people interfering, since they’re doing what they should do – PvP. It’s the same as when PvE players come to WvW to farm dailies and get kitten ed because they got killed by another player, same with the jumping puzzle. In PvP environment you should expect other people to jump in and do their thing.

I agree and disagree. If you are going to troll, troll the spectators, not the guilds actively participating. Spectators are free game for all I care, but trolling/griefing a structured, set-up fight that people spend time preparing for, is kind of a kitten move. Yeah trolls are annoying but they aren’t going to deter people from fighting, you’ll simply be killed and they’ll keep fighting anyway.

I’ll say it again, yes it’s allowed but it’s also an underwritten rule. Do I interfere a random 1v1 I come across? Na I’ll let them duke it out. Will I kill the winner? Of course.

Put yourself in their shoes and try to get a sense for how you would feel if people were screwing with one of your fights. WvW and GvG can coexist perfectly fine.

Swamurabi.7890:

Anet has some choices here.

Change WvW to bring the GvG crowd back into the “main” game.

- WvW changes are made with the mindset of sieging points in mind, won’t happen.

Make a separate GvG area and hope that WvW survives.

- Any semi-hardcore guild that is in WvW every day has at least a little interest in GvG, if all of the main gvg guilds stopped playing WvW, it wouldn’t die but there would be an even bigger gap between servers.

Leave things as they are and hope the GvG players don’t leave GW2.

- Sadly this is what will probably happen. There are a lot of game set to come out, all with better open field, open world PvP than GW2.

Edited my responses next to yours.

sPvP arena is no where NEAR GvG, please don’t suggest putting it in there and if you do, you have no idea what you are talking about. Come watch some gvgs and see what they are all about

20 people is a zerg? Learn something new every day… What’s 80 people then?

All upgrades take 300% the time to complete.

No more hiding behind T3 walls/door with 15 arrow carts/cannons/mortar/trebs/entire German Army.

Niim.9260:

LilMcGinley.3890:

2) overpower commands? If any guild is good enough, you don’t need 1 commander to ALWAYS be there talking 24/7, everyone should be good enough to know what they need to be doing regardless of who is leading.

If any guild is good enough, you don’t need to spy on the enemy or mess with their commands in voice chat.

Still sounds like y’all need to learn to let go… or at least, like I’ve said, take a chance to get your “revenge” on “those bad people from Agg”. Y’all are taking a random troll moment from a guild & making it your motto for life… kind of sad really…

Take your forum warriors and actually prove something on the battlefield.

Geiir.7603:

I love to interfere with GvG games. Makes them go crazy and have to start over again ;]

Is it sad that people like you are going to be the driving force to getting GvG its own arena?

Kal Spiro.9745:

Bacon Please.8407:

You guys will seriously complain about anything. If ANET was giving every single person a free mini pet/100gold/new set of armor/charecter slot/$1000.00 USD, you guys would find SOMETHING to complain about.

Well first off, the mini pet is stupid and the armor doesn’t go with any of my character concepts. I suppose I could use the new character to make a concept for the armor… I was expecting a single thousand dollar bill, not a check, that was lame.

New set of armor? YOU MEAN I HAVE TO BUY TRANSMUTATION CRYSTALS?! Such a money grab!!!

eithinan.9841:

Darius Glazkov.9750:

ALSO – all this Agg bashing is no bueno, some poking is fine, but hey let’s all be respectful here and spread the love

No. This is the week AGG shows how arrogant they are. They decided to play games with the Db teamspeak so they have gotten called out on using underhanded tactics.

Specifically they tried to overpower Warsocks commands when he was wiping AGG all over the map. This has happened more than once.

Then they lost a gvg to ep because they didnt have enough Hammers or access to ep voice comms. So they then quit 15v15 GvG.

I think that sums it up. They dont deserve the respect off the battlefield that they have earned on the battlefield because of their leaders actions.

so much kitten…

1) “underhanded tactics” wow, spying is a part of the game, get over it. FoE spied all the friggin time.
2) overpower commands? If any guild is good enough, you don’t need 1 commander to ALWAYS be there talking 24/7, everyone should be good enough to know what they need to be doing regardless of who is leading.
3) If I had a guild of 30-45, I would quit 15v15s too. Telling HALF of my guild, “oh you can’t have fun tonight”, screw that. When you have the roster to do 20v20, why do anything less? That’d be like forcing an MLB team to play Triple-A teams for a whole season. People get bored of not being able to play.

Not to mention – each guild has their own ‘weight-class strength" Is EP better at 15v15 than Agg? Yes, but is Agg better than EP at 20v20, I’d put my money on it. Hell, I’m sure PAXA could beat Agg or any T1 guild in a 5v5 but I don’t see anyone bringing that up…

Bottom line: A GM is going to do what is best for HIS Guild and HIS members. Hell, I moved FoE around 5 times since April trying to keep my members interested in GW2, sure some people on SoS hate me because I don’t play by the whole “server loyalty” game (even got hate-tells which are hilarious btw) but honestly, I don’t care what they think about my moves or my guild.

Side thought: Why doesn’t rB challenge Agg and stop being the little yippy dog in the corner?

I honestly love them..but then again the only color I look for on a map is orange.

Agg, EP, RE, NS are the ones that stick in my mind for the “upper tier” of gvg, then you have tons of guilds like ZN, RISE, rB, OMEN, DETH, SIC, EK, ME that are getting their feet wet in the GvG scene.

NA GvG has taken MASSIVE leaps forward in the past 2 months, even I have become a full supporter of it.

*If I left you out and you like to GvG, please put your guild here.

Aneu.1748:

You do understand that those who like to GvG are also some of the most effective forces on the servers they are part of right? These guilds generally take over keeps in order to get fights because so many servers prefer the whole bunker tactic of hiding behind walls and inside keeps and throwing up arrowcart after arrowcart… Also take into account that while there may be 20 people off your server doing GvG that means 20 people off another server is tied up also.

While I appreciate and understand there are people out there who dont want to partake in GvG and who enjoy the whole boring siege mechanic of building siege after siege after siege there are those of us out there who actually go out and create the game we enjoy and try to liven up WvW and without these types of guilds and people WvW would be a hugely boring place dominated only by large blobs and keeps that are meat-grinders due to the lack of organisation these blobs offer.

This.. All of this. Over and over again.

We flipped SM last night JUST because TC and DB were zerging in/around it. There was no one else on ANY map (we even looked and PvDoored half of DB/TC bl).

It’s either 100 or 0. And everything is more fun when it’s paper.

Los Re.4607:

two 25man raids in last couple of days. Over 10 ranks each. 0 liquid. Not even funny.

Levels are like candy now anyways. A couple towers and a keep and supply camps and you’ve gotten 4 levels already.

Leveling is stupid easy now.

saiyr.3071:

Lenador.1436:

Halo.8976:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Just because you got owned a couple times by Agg…

I’m sorry, unless you outfarmed me on gambits, I never got owned by you.

Then you sir have gotten owned by mag, gambit farming for life (August 20 r.i.p)

edit: realized you are mag…..and you are Agg therfore my argument is invalid

he’s not agg

Thank you. I am not Agg.