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It kitten es me off more because all the cries moaning we could escape, were more then likely the same idiots that didn`t bring any form of stun/immobilise, & yet we weren`t even the fastest pre-patch, not by a long shot.

I did use RTL to travel maps, but for me, it was used more for gap closers, because (Anet, are you taking note here…) WE DON`T HAVE WEAPON SWAP so are stuck at melee.

I`ve still logged my Ele`, barely though, but been levelling a ranger (sort of, spend most of my time alt tabbed ;p (which oh mai gawd, it is sooo much easier to escape/catch up)) & has the added bonus that it can do range &/or melee, without having to kitten about in bags to swap weapons.

Guess hope one day they`ll retro fix molten pick as it is on my Ele` & account bound would be handier, but not holding my breathe.

Calae.1738:

Air Pocket is overpowered. 1200 range teleport on a 12 second cooldown. Let’s be consistent here.

Have you seen what mesmers speeds can do under water?
Makes this air bubble look like the now kitten RTL ;p

P.S. The bubble kitten es me off if I use it, then open map & when bubble pops, kitten map closes :$

Heaven (or the mists, whatever.. ;p) forbid that players would actually want some real pvp.
Anet touted this game stating they wanted a game that would work in the esports scene, then did the idiotic thing of not giving anyone anywhere to duel, or even arenas.
Players tried doing this in spvp & ended up with a few cry babies butting in but plenty enjoyed the duels & would join in.

So, the players found a safe place, behind the mill where they aren`t flipping camps, abusing siege, running in pathetic zergs etc & you want to complain?

Sheesh!

You learnt, you ran in, you got trounced.
Now you know to either stay clear or perhaps, you know, actually step up & join in with some duels.

who knows, you may actually have fun, in a game ;pW

I`m guessing that the main reason why loads of Ele` play tanky though, is because you`re of no use when dead or constantly in downed state & everyone else has to stop the fight just to res` you over & over. Also there is only so long you can stomach wp/running back over & over until you get sick of it all (or can`t afford to repair ;p(which I heard you can`t even do that in pve now)).

I`ve ran into loads of Ele` (in WvWs as I don`t touch PvE) that I could splatter in no time at all (Staff all too easily & other D/D less so) because they go for damage but against other tanky builds or full tanks it is a drawn out yawn fest, but at least you don`t get 1-2 shot by anything (& yes, I`m pointing my clawws at the scum of Tyria, Thieves…)

P.S. Whilst I have an almost tanky build & only last month changed to pvt gear, I still don`t bother with tanky runes, gems etc.

katniss.6735:

Playing the new FOTM spec:

Was about to ask why anyone`d put fire traits on, then saw the top.

LOL

To be honest, you`ve picked a really bad time, what with Anet nerfing every Ele` build lol

Kind of depends on what weapons you use, whether you are a PvE/sPvP or WvWs player, as each can vary (not that we have much variety of use ;p)

But….Do a search on the forums (or google as forum search function isn`t good) for Daphoenix if it is something leaning towards pvp.

If it is sPvP, then the sub forum has live stream links, albeit from what I`ve read there isn`t much happening of late.

Both of the above are just practice & practice some more.

If after PvE, then, erm… not a clue, never done any, good luck though

I`m not sure where Ele` was in the way of mobility, but pre-patch I had a necro & ranger that were both faster (& lower level by miles). My mesmer would`ve been faster but was lazy & didn`t build for speed (mainly because it wasn`t needed at any time).
Post patch, well Ele` I`m guessing are last or very close to it.

Today did MAW for first time, turns out the pets also do not attack the portals :$

Can you all keep an eye on your RTL cd?
I hit a sentry near our garrison earlier (actually hit not blocked, stunned etc.), just before I flipped from Air to Fire, I saw the cd said 25 seconds.
Considering how many bugs are in this patch, was wondering if this was a one off or…

Because Anet read the cries & “balance” around those rather then learning how to play the game themselves & find out it is all bullkitten.

So here we are, three months later & still no!?
There is so much crap top right now with story, flame & frost, dailies, monthlies, local events that it constantly opens them EVERY time we wp & with there being so many it rarely keeps open one, it chops & changes, having to shrink down any random one.

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rhodoc.2381:

Seems pretty fair. But i dont know how Anet thinks when it comes to balance.

As ele most of the time i end up with with less health after using any heal skills in combat since i get more dmg then heal.

Quite simple, they don`t.
One dev even said on a live stream that any time he logged his ele he died all of the time, so he preferred his main (warrior & guardian I think it was) so that he can just faceroll mobs etc.

Of course, that could be just because he is awful at the game

Naurgalen.2374:

Moving on with the comparison I must agree with other people that the new MF is FAR more related to the Engineers Elixir S. But something to take note is how Elixir S has 60 CD and not 75 CD. (and I still think both skills should be better unless Elixir S has some synergy I don’t know -only played engineer in the betas-)

Also Engineers have a hell of a lot higher damage output compared to even the rare dps ele builds, plus heavier armour as standard.

Ra the Eternal.1635:

LordByron.8369:

Just a thing…
Its not fair giving any guilt to players…

The only guilt is by dev…

The guilt absolutely is with players who are too lazy to take the time & actually learn their profession, so they spam forums & support begging or even demanding nerfs. These kind of player are spoiled. I’ve been playing since Closed Beta & wish Arena Net stood behind their product in GW2 & not nerf profession; because it was way more fair by GW2’s release than it is now.

>_< Mina

Then this still makes the guilt all of Anets, as surely they should play the game from all respectives & see for themselves what is & what isn`t unbalanced, rather then listening to the noobs who are to stupid to bring CC & stun breakers to their builds & then claim that Ele`, Thief etc are too mobile.

Don`t get me wrong though, I do believe they rely more on the forum cries rather then doing things the proper way, which is why classes are getting wrecked out right rather then just concentrating on the underlying problem.

Also, where is this WvWs/sPvP-tPvP/PvE split they mentioned several times during SOTG?….

Happens when on walls & also when standing on the supplies.
Had originally thought was yet more skill lag, but even in dead maps it is the same.
Was playing on a hunter.

Logged Ele today, rock outside Briar in WvWs, same problem. This needs an urgent hotfix.

Smallest sized asuran can get stuck between the wall & beam in Garrison leading up to the roof/route to the vista from side nearest mystic forge.

It is crap & needs either options to kill it or just removing.
I have an asura that any time this stupid thing flashes up, it is larger then my character & is blocking things in front of me.

What a surprise, more unnecessary crap on the screen…

Was hoping with the patch that pets hitting nodes under water this would of been fixed, but they are still not doing anything…

Next patch: Due to all Elementalists killing bunnies just to cross a map at the same speed as every other class, all skills will be turned permanently into town clothes skills for 60 seconds when you enter combat & you will be in the disguise of a carrot.

Known bug for months, some times it used to let you move again if you used another skill that forced movement, fire 4 etc, but not often.
Logging off (& incurring the death/repairs penalty fixes it)

Any time I or other rangers attack players near guards, the guards don`t aggro on the pets.
I know you wanted this to “fix the ai” in pve zones, but this is broken in WvWs.

P.S. PTRs could`ve warned you of this before going live…

This has been reported probably hundreds of times for months.
Alas, in a thread fairly recently, Anet said it is low priority.
/sigh

Had the same problem in WvWs.
If Anet wants to test this themselves, the waterfall puzzle where you drop through a small hole in the ground onto a platform, it is easily repeatable there (& a pain in the kitten … )

Better & more apt name.

Skill lag v skill lag v skill lag.

;p

CuteLilKittenHugz.2064:

Oh. Mai. Gawd.

I was taking out enemies in 2-3 hits in PvE as a LEVEL 20 Thief in Masterwork Gear that took me 4-5 hits when I was a LEVEL 60 ele in rare gear!

I cannot believe the difference. I am now a level 22 thief w/ masterwork gear, surviving WvW battles just as easy as my level 80 ele in rare/exotic gear! What is the point in even having the elementalist class in this game? Are ele’s true purpose just to be cannon fodder?

I am not trolling here guys, I’m really just stunned at how weak ele’s are compared to thieves. I really thought I was just bad at the game cuz I was constantly getting my butt handed to me in WvW, but now that I see how easy it is to kill and survive as a thief, I’m realizing ele’s are just an extremely handicapped class.

So now that I know how big a disadvantage ele’s have, I really thought this patch would buff the elementalist. So I don’t get it, reading the release notes from the patch, is why do ele’s constantly get nerfed way more than the other professions? If warriors, engineers and other professions are anywhere near as badarse as thieves, ele’s should be getting buffed like crazy to even have a chance. And why do people come in this forum and say “ele’s are too powerful, they need to get nerfed more” and “if you’re dying easy as an ele you need to learn how to play”? Am I missing something?! They aren’t serious, they’re trolling right?

So I’m done with my ele. I loved playing him, having so many moves to choose from was a lot of fun, but now that I know I can play this game with a lot less frustration I just can’t justify wasting any more time with a profession that is weak sauce to begin with and keeps getting weaker.

You`re not wrong, Thief has it easy mode.
Oh, you also forgot to mention stealthing whilst downing someone, making the whole downed state even more pointless then it already is

Kitcat.1739:

Uh, perspective works both ways, you know? I main a thief, but I wanted to learn more about the elementalist, so I made one (adorable little thing too, I might add) and got through the story intro, then headed straight into the mists. I didn’t bother changing any of the traits around, I took a scepter and a dagger and then read all of my skill descriptions in the hopes of remembering one or two of them in battle, then I jumped into hotjoin. I went through the next several matches pressing skills 5-1 (in that order), changing attunements, then pressing 5-1 all over again. An absolutely dumb way to play, but I was amazed at how unkillable I was compared to the thief. I had no idea that you could mist form and then heal…if I had known that, I would have abused it sooo much. At any rate, I think that your claim that the elementalist is weak is an exaggeration. If you’ve put time into it and you enjoy the playstyle, then don’t give it up.

Erm, you can`t mist form & heal.

Either you`re being clueless, stubborn or both.
What is wrong with resetting the place you put the points so you can reset them into the new lines should you want?

Warlord.9074:

If it turens out to be too much they will roll something back or make small adjustments, They said this. You also don’t know what other buffs your getting besides the nerfs. Word of advice not saying OP or anyone else but instead of trying to solo 5-10 players on your ele, and being successful at staying alive and kiting forever. Try picking your targets better and play like the rest of us? just saying?

Ah, you mean like when they realised they screwed up when they removed EA completely from the game & partially put it back in, months later? ;p

You shouldn`t be shocked they deleted the post.
I had five posts mentioning SOTG bookmarked & of those three got deleted despite nothing being against the terms.
RTLs main use was for getting me back into range because I`m stuck at melee permanently, whereas every other class has melee & ranged options. Well, that is well & truly kittened up now..

PistolWhip.2697:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoAWsEZbXG4

Ele’s die sooooooooo easy.

Linking a clip of someone who plays full tank build against noobs, doesn`t stop the nerfs ruining the class for those of us that don`t play full tank.

Caedmon.6798:

No,you made the choise of using them in one section.We shouldnt get everything handed..if we get new skills,Go wvwvw and rank up so you can use those aswell.if they would add something..OP,everyone would reroll and get that section instead.

So when they introduce new traits/weapons etc, you`ll stick with what you currently have because that is what you opted for originally?
That is dumb.
I do WvWs, it is all I do, but I don`t run with the zergs so I`m not rank 40+ like most of the zerglings.

1: (“We want you to play the game, not the ui….”) Customisable UI is a must. You had this almost perfect in Guild Wars, we could move anything we wanted to anywhere we wanted & it`d save there. What on Tyria made you do it this way…?
2: All of that crap top right, local events, new seasonal events, stories, dailies, monthlies yada yada yada, that needs an option to be turned off. (Your reasoning is because some dumb chap`ll turn it off & not find it again, so put it somewhere they won`t find the option in the first place…)
3: UI again, no more pops ups if we`re in combat.
4: Right click losing targets. I know others have mentioned this & that an Anet staffie has said “it is low priority…” but this is such a huge fail.
5: Mouse cursor. More then half the time it is invisible due to all of the particles, give players an option to change it or make it more visible.
6: Option to have RMB automatically held down or toggleable like sights in some shooting games. If we`re trying to run about in hectic pvp & have to LMB someone/thing, this makes us move forwards which is dumb.
7: Your manifesto of “We want you to play your way…” & yet we have to get some items from set places. Ascended from Fractals only until recently, excluding backpacks which are still solely Fractals. New dungeon coming out with skins solely available in there….
8: Town clothes. Why, just why? skins ala Grenth outfit etc in Guild Wars is what players want.
9: sPvP. Option to get rid of the irritating learners ui that pops up every time you enter a map. Same goes for the death note, get shot of it, players check combat chat box, we don`t need (undetailed) pve recount crap in here.
10: Choice of sPvP map to join & not random. Having to go through a set map routine is tedious at its best.
11: Duelling. For a game that wanted to be an esport, it is just stunning that this wasn`t in on release & worse, now players have to pay to duel in peace. Wrong, just wrong.
12: Invisible that actually is, well, invisible. Meaning I can`t be whispered, party grouped etc.
13: Friends list confirmation. Also nick names that stay. I`ve a friends list of 50+ & now I don`t know wtk most of them are, along with stalke…followers Better still, make the friends list the character they added you with, not their dozen+ alts that I`ll have no idea wtk they are.
Oops, more then ten & there`s loads more, but this`ll give them something to not read for now ;p

From what I`ve read & heard, SamboNZ on youtube & livestreams mentioned it too, most of Australian internet is having huge problems at the minute with some rumours of attacks on the lines etc.

Having said that, Kharr has it spot on. The current hamsters are old & dying from not being fed properly, probably due to them not getting enough money to keep decent internet bandwidth pipelines.

Of course, if they actually had proper armour/weapon etc skins rather then the completely pointless town clothes, perhaps the hamster could have some nitrous ox-seed quality food & things would improve….

<doesn`t hold breath>

Yes i stated points.
Surprise surprise though, we`ve had no reply.

I`ve seen six players go against a ranger in bay once, it died (downed state..) obviously, but once it was downed, even with all six going pewpew, the pet just healed it.
Used to think it was bugs, but made a ranger & even on land pet heals is kittenedly op.

Seconded. I`ve over 200 jugs sat in the bank, I don`t want even more RSI caused by this game..

Logged my level 19 scum, I mean Thief today that I made hours before they released the bomb/nerf stream.
Pratting about in EB I knew Thieves were a pain, but oh my gawd!

Some high level Guardian almost two shot me, I stealthed. For the next ten minutes, they kept trying to get me & couldn`t because of perma-stealth & knock down utility.

Poor git stood in frog camp in the end trrying to find me (or if like me, to kitten about stealth on forums) when our zerg came in & splattered it.

tbh though the class is boring as hell after maining an Ele` since the BWEs.

With any luck Anet will release their idiocy & stop this train wreck of a game…

LightningBlaze.4913:

Fishbait.6723:

Old clip, probably a glimpse of the future too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GiQbzspvQM

That was hilarious. Is this still possible to execute? I wanna test it out tomorrow when I log haha

Yep, fairly sure they`re still there, saw them couple weeks ago again.
I did a runner as soon as I saw them.

/cower

you could be crazy, but that just may work.
grins

message body must be at least 15
Man, does that ever sound dodgy!!

Edit: Ah, slight problem. Sword 3 is almost as unreliable as Earth 3 used to be. I don`t want that nightmare again

Old clip, probably a glimpse of the future too

Rant time:

If they`d of done anything to the other trait lines they`d of been used, but can anyone name me one thing decent (or anything at all) that has been done to them? (Giving us EA back after having removed it doesn`t count ;p)

If they`d stop kittening about & give us summoned weapons that were worth the sodding time, ie make them permanent/real damage etc… Elementalists would have what every other class (I`m not calling it a profession, that is crafting ;p) which is decent melee & ranged, rather than kitten about in bags.
Yes they mentioned these in the SOTG, but said it is being looked into. Aka don`t expect this for months…

If they`d given us decent hp/armour/defenses/skills that actually kittening hit things, we`d not of got so kittening kitten off of being one shot by every kittening thing & wouldn`t of had to go more bunker (of which I have fought other classes that are even more bunker then Ele` with 1/5th the key mashing & higher damage by a long shot).

Even in open world this is going to screw Ele` over big time, go fight a Karka, any basic one, you`ll see the first few cast spits it does removes average 50% of your hp. Get a Warrior or Guardian to stand there, see the difference & prepare to swear at them ;p

We have more heals, because of how squishie, to I assume make up for it, we are & come this patch I see yet another major fail from Failnet, which seeing as we`ve heard sod all from them, despite this segment of the forums going wild fires over this, will mean months down the line there`s a slim to zero chance of a minor buff. Big whoop! :$

But how the hell did they not think this wouldn`t completely kitten over staff & Scepter/dagger & scepter/focus users?

Oh that`s right, “think”…..

Almost forgot, a completely kittening useless downed state that is only of usee in one situation, near keep doors & oh of course, that alone makes us op…

Turkashi.4502:

where did you saw this? Everybody is talking about the nerf on ele, but haven’t see the patch note yet :-s

Video link to it is on second page of..

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/elementalist/SOTG-needed-a-longer-title/first

Has happened a few times over on Underworlds server over the last few weeks, 3-4 times this week so far alone.
Hamster running the server wheels is sick of it all, has gone afk

daydream.2938:

The boards are volatile, but as someone who pays frequent attention to them, the top 50 positions are dominated by eles and guards. Guards though, are on every team, so are going to end up on top. No other class has had as much representation as the ele consistently other than guards. Not only that but if you look at threads on the spvp forum the community consensus is ele is the strongest. And I have heard ostrich eggs, caed, team paradigm EU , on there stream all complain about ele strength. The high end consensus is that ele is too strong.
Granted leaderboards are volatile BUT as of this posting 3 of the top 5 are ele’s. including a guardian main and a ranger as the other 2.

But that is just spvp.
I`m fine with nerfs/buffs where needed in there, but most of these changes are going global, as in WvWs, dungeons, normal open coughlol world areas.

This nerf isn`t just overkill, it is mass genocide

TainoFuerte.8136:

^ Basically.

The players in SOTG basically called out Anet on the flaws of their plan – they probably won’t even do enough to discourage Bunker Eles and they then went ahead and damaged the potential viability of other /D Ele builds.

So if you go in and the opponent dodges the attack you are in combat for 40s with less survival mechanics and armor than already squishy thieves. Non Bunker builds would often use both Mist Form and RtL to compensate – as their own survival schemes, but both got hit.

This change in mobility very literally pigeonholes WvW roamers into rolling thief. As if the amount of classes that can roam effectively needed to get smaller.

Which is what happens when you allow classes to be the “best” at different roles. Nobody uses them for anything that they aren’t best at. So for all intents and purposes we end up choosing the class – not the player, as is what happens in so many other MMOs and part of the reason I chose GW2; to get away from bad game design.

As if the terrible state of PVP weren’t a giveaway, I see I made an error.

Yep, I don`t do the whole zergling thing, it is tedious, so I roam so that I can actually (shock horror) do some pvp in these borderlands maps, but all I`ve seen lately is an insane number of troll Thieves, along with some trying & that are terribad (one alone filled 50 bag slots the other day, poor masochist)…

So hours before this stream (think I must be psychic ;p) I made one to be annoying little git & ye gads, level 6 rat thief against some terribads, I was stunned how easy it is.
If you are dying, stealth, jump about behind enemy, bang, either they die or I just run along like a good little coward & troll some more

Don`t get me wrong, I flat out hate having made one, Ele` despite all of its flaws/bugs/stuck range etc is just fun, but I refuse to play what is more then likely going to be dragged back to a kittening free kill for everyone & their granny waiting for Anet to stop kittening about….

You`re adding some new one/ones in up coming patches.

Are you giving players an option to reset where they placed their points or what?

Not ranks, we don`t want that crap reset, just the option for the points.

GW2 Guru posted it to Youtube now.
I`d say enjoy, but….

Ah kitten, just had a thought.
So if we get stunned,immobilised, buggy grounded etc mid RTL, that will also stick us with a 40s CD.

Fishbait.6723:

Mik Hell.8206:

I can’t watch the video now, but I have a question: are the RtL and Mist Form nerfs supposed to affect only sPvP or are they “global”?

I`m going to rewatch, once I`ve calmed down, but from what I heard it is global.

Btw, also forgot, Thiefs…. Mug doesn`t (allegedly) crit any more, it just heals them & steals all of your boons.

R.I.P. Ele`…

Edit: Not just heals you can`t use in mist form, you cannot use any utility skill.