Guild Wars 2

Yes.

Yes (Courtyard) – or No, SPvP and TPvP

Maybe soon™

Yep… Mountain goating with S-Walk and teleport gun to port a mesmer with you is a lot of fun :P

… the last fun I had in PvE actually =/

Spectral Walk can get you up to places you’d normally not reach…

When LA moved to the Vigil Keep, I broke out multiple times of the map with my Necromancer, only because it could do stuff no other classes could…

…

Ultimate boredom

vincecontix.1264:

Contrary to what people believe gw2 is one of the most balance mmos around. I agree with sizer but we seriously need a new game mode already the conquest is already stale for those of us who have been playing the game for over 1 or 2 years.

Actual GvG’s within a competitive settins are being worked on, no? We’ll see how that unwraps…

Also, it needs to be less confusing to watch – hundreds of particle effects, filled with pink butterflies, random firefields, lightning and green insects with no idea from which team used it is not quite a joy to watch if you are inexperienced within the game…

Mrbig.8019:

No he’s not right at all.

People don’t play the game, even “top players” don’t play the game, they just afk in HoTM looking at their gear.

GW2 is probably the only game rewarding u for afking instead of playing,

there’s no progression,

matchmaking is absolutely terrible to the point playing just causes frustration ( in solo q due to terrible matchmaking, in team q due to top teams roflstomping pugs 90% of their queues),

no ladders,

no seasons,

no rewards,

and i could continue forever.

There’s no e-sport potential if you don’t have people playing the game, and even more if it’s THE VERY SYSTEM YOU CREATED the one discouraging people from playing.

To aggravate the issue even more, people are not getting better, they’re getting WORSE, EVERYDAY, especially new players, due to the amount of no brain builds and professions ( warrior in primis, being braindead for almost a year right now).

This game is not e-sport worthy, this game is a joke.

A joke with best combat system ever created, a totally wasted potential due to terrible devs decisions.

I should’ve made my sarcasm about “top tier balancing” more clear…
If this game is only well balanced around the top, then “we are done” right? Just become really good, and you get to touch heaven…

I like this game a lot, and would love to see it grow, but there is simply no incentive for teams to even go and play… It is sometimes awesome to see in the ESL weeklies, but the fun stops there…

If you read the rest of my post you would’ve noticed that I want to have way more in the game than there is now – which is nothing unless you get your rooster constantly pleased by being on the top… Fun for those people, not so much for those who haven’t reached that…

With all due respect Ovid… The forums have always been like this

Plus it is not that people are wrong in their respect, neither are you though, but you are missing a big picture – namely that a Necromancer is an oddity in all places of the game… Well, dunno much about WvWvW zerg fights and GWEN and alll, but hey;

In PvE they are a laughing stock – their “punishment” mechanic was turned into “Boon Corruption” and “Condition Transfers” of which both are so useless they can be regarded as trash…
Blood Magic spells, some of which required health sacrifices to do damage, has turned into “Blood is Power”, and though good for the might stacks, redundant for anything else…
Minions cannot be mastered…
Support… meh

As for PvP – sure, we got 2 builds! Yippee!
Though thematically, what are you? You are either a slow Condi-burst class, or a slow Power Burst class… Yes, we can survive better than some other classes, but the two builds thematically do not fit at all, especially when looking back as to how Necromancer is created, and most certainly when you look at how Anet said Necromancers are an “Attrition class” with no form of attrition aside from Minion Master… Master bwahahaha

Our punishment mechanic, doing damage when the enemy does damage (RIP Spiteful Spirit ) is either so weak in a team fight, since Condition Transfers are somewhat obsolete thanks to Eles, Guards and to a lesser extend Engineers cleansing one another (while Warrior can sustain itself) or so overpowered that it automatically ensures a win (Engineers in a 1v1) – this alone is a sign of how badly designed this class was, the scaling, and though this is a team game, is non-existant…
Same thing with Boon Hate – it is either extremely overpowered in small scaled fights, or completely redundant since it will be reapplied within seconds anyway… enjoy your cooldowns meanwhile because punishment mechanics are bad…

Now not just that, but also designing a class that is inherrintly slow and selfish within a gamemode which requires you to be fast and supportive … What real support do we have? Well of Power? Whooptydoo, force your mates to stand in your Aoe – jolly…

I like my Necromancer, and like most people I’d say I fare rather well whenever I am not half awake – but this class is designed wrong to it’s very core with a wrong mindset of what it should be… Worst offender to this is probably Deathshroud

Also, burst boon removal (corruption) on an attrition class

“Let’s make the slowest character in the game – but make it a burst class! Call it attrition for fun "

He’s right, PvP is almost perfectly balanced on high-level – quite awesome really, every class has a role and whatnot… On high-level… screw those low-level scrubs…

What he left out is the common issue with most people and playing PvP consistently… There is no reason to do so…
The top will nearly always stay on top, and this is sometimes a bit (too) disencouraging for lower-tiered teams…

Not only that, but the only reliable way to test your strength against them is either by asking them to battle, or to join the ESL weeklies… In game, who knows what you are up against…

This game needs a better distinction in tiers and level of play, SPvP, TPvP it doesn’t matter really…
The only issue you would create by introducing a system now, is having high tiered people almost never getting a match, or constantly being teamed up against the same people… This is now somewhat apparent, but dividing your whole community in tiers would make it debatably worse…

Meh, just get another reward track to fuel the casuals, and make some nice shows of the higher tiered teams combatting for money… it is good enough…

Guys, what are you on about? Necromancers are awesome!

You just need your toolbar to look like this and you’ll be golden!

Granted, not a PvP setup :<

Narkodx.1472:

This thread is not even about that though.. he is simply QQing because he plays zerker mesmer and gets rekt by zerker thieves

This is not about Thieves having a role in conquest that no one can replace them for being mobility and decap – things you pointed out that I agree with

While that would have made a much better thread this guy is simply QQing for 1v1 reasons – none of which are warranted

/thread

I guess…

I just wanted to deduce it to a more interesting topic with less name-calling, but I figure this is pointless anyway…

I might personally be busy, but I hope others are up for it

Cynz.9437:

@GoogleBrandon.5073: and then we have portal bombs, if not even double portal bombs where mesmer can bring entire team to defend point…

Ah clever, I figured that someone might’ve pulled the Mesmer portal arguement

Unlike any other class, the Mesmer has indeed the capability of zoning the whole team to a point if needed, quickly applying pressure to a point – this is different from a thief who cannot zone the whole team, but rather himself…

A Mesmer, unlike a Thief, does not have the capability to quickly port back and forth at will, granted neither can a Thief, since it requires mobility rather than a portal…
The role of a Thief is herefore different from a Mesmer which is applying pressure to a point – by Portal, Null-Field, Chaos Storm and AoE interrupts, whereas a thief is made to singlehandidly make uneven fights by picking out single targets – there is no heavy point control involved here…

Both play a role, and although with Portal it seems similar, it is not… And again, I am by no means someone who dislikes the role of a Thief since you can build your team around it… Does this mean you need to build tankier to survive since Thieves can make uneven fight? Maybe…

After rereading this, because of boredom, I think I finally realized the issue Ghaleon has – though completely worded wrong and likely a bit clouded with bias here and there…

Thieves are capable of running Zerk, engage, disengage and making unfavoured fights quickly… This is in essence fine, this is how they are designed… They are not super powerful in 1v1’s, because they excel in mobility and making unfair numbers – while being suspicable to AoE and other glass bursts when caught unaware…

However, because of this mobility design, they can do something no zerker class can do – and that is forcing you to guard your points…
A zerker Elementalist is capable of killing thieves, a zerk Necro is, Mesmer etc. But none of these have the option to stay on the target and disengage when needed as much as Thieves do – they are designed this way… However, in a game where you need to protect nodes, a Thief gets a huge advantage if most members of the enemy teams are caught up in fights, and he can quickly roam, score a decap and come back… It requires either a lot of attention, constantly spotting Thieves and get your quickest class back to the node as soon as you see the Thief going for it…

This is still not an issue, up untill you think about the fact that the only real way to counter the design of a thief is rolling a Thief… Only a Thief can stay on a Thief reliably, as no other Zerker class is able to engage and disengage as quickly…

The role a thief has is completely unique to the class, just as much as Guardians were said to be unparalelled in support…
Other classes have a class or build that will fit a role within the team much the same as the class; point holders are Warriors, Necromancers, Elementalists, Engineers – AoE control are Staff Eles, Necromancers etc etc.
But Guardians, though fading away now, and Thieves stay unique – giving no other class the option to ever fit within the role a thief has…

However, the design of a Thief can be fought – and this is done with self-sustaining and bunker builds on any node, giving the Thief no way of getting to a point quickly to decap and move back “Forcing” classes to run these specs…

So the bottom line of what he is trying to say, I guess, is that no Zerker class is able to fit the role of a Thief… Whether this is a good or bad thing is up for discussion – I’d personally say you can build around the philosophy of not having a Thief, and play accordingly to it…

Read my comment again… You did nothing to prove that it is a problem with the game’s mechanic, but once more reinforced your believes as to why you struggle with it…

But hey, I am a nice guy… I will give you a hint as to where to start: Redesign Thief completely… Number by number, trait by trait… good luck

Hugh Norfolk.2798:

Awesome Guide! Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

Though I am glad this got a red post…

… this is 5 months old…

Become like me – 2 Eles and 2 Necros

Both are fun in their own rights, buuut, they are both better at some respective levels of play as Narkodx explained…

adozu.6398:

stealth classes have the same issue in nearly every game:

because you can’t see what they are doing it’s harder to learn how to counter them compared to toher classes.

play a thief/mesmer for a while in pvp -then- tell us about “care bear” stealth. i suck as a thief but playing one for a good while at least teaches you that they are not OP and to respect those that actually pull off nice stunts, it’s incredibly easy to find yourself kissing the ground as a thief.

Exactly – one of the main reason I do not play a Thief is because I cannot pull it off… Maybe with a lot of practice I can, but hey, see that keyword? Practice! Brilliant!

People need to learn that combatting a Stealth Class requires a different kind of mindset… Unlike skills with tells, Stealth does not – buuuuut, you can predict Stealth itself … Learn the timers, the cooldowns, the skills and tricks that can be done, and suddenly you will learn that Stealth is really made for defense, and much less for offense… If you can pressure them while they are trying to be on the defense, they are likely going to be dead – which means you won the game of minds…

Frenk.5917:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Decrypter.1785:

kitten next living story season 2 is , pvp release

“Mai Trin has finally managed to get enough fuel for her aircrafts to travel – in her travels however, troops of Aetherblades have descended upon the lands below, discovering new areas to settle in, in turn, creating chaos where they go!

Our brave heroes must go to the places in the mist! Get a group of five people and combat the Aetherblades! However, be aware, for it seems the Aetherblades have found allies within the Heart of the Mists, who are eager to protect them!"

Of course with all the exciting new extras such as:

• An Aetherblade backpiece when you won 5 games!
• A rare chance on a Guild Lord Mini! Now obtainable in one of the new Champion Chests which you can recieve by doing the “Aetherblade Reward Track”!
• Gemstore updates! Get a lag-free enviroment by a special Arena Token for our new GvG Arenas!
• Unlock the latest chapter for Living Story Season 2 by Playing now!

WHY ISN’T THIS GUY A DEV

I forgot “Soon™”

Johje Holan.4607:

No its not true at all.

Changes to thief would be necessary of course. But it would be doable. And thief and GW2 would be better for it.

1. Why would it be necessary for Thieves need to be changed? Because you cannot beat them? Because they have no Hammers?
2. Why would it be better? Ever played GW1 and knew Assassin? Thieves are puppies compared to those
3. How can it be doable? What would you change? Ever thought about it, or just grabbing random arguements here?
4. Ever considered that there is a large margin of people who can combat Thieves the way they are now? Why should a class be overhauled for a minority which cannot?

Johje Holan.4607:

And Mes wouldn’t really need anything. Stealth is not essential to Mes. They have plenty of options without it. (Granted all Mes options are kinda lame anyway so they class needs redesigning anyway.)

1. Ever considered why Mesmers got Stealth in the first place? Why is it not essential?
2. What makes Mesmers lame? The fact that they are pink with butterflies?

and lastly

• Ever once considered playing these classes, learning their weaknesses and strengths, get to know their imbalances and thought of viable ways to rework this?

If you cannot answer the last one, I would kindly advise you to not talk about balancing… You obviously have no clue what you are on about and are just complaining in a biased format… I can do this for all eight classes if I wanted to, and you’d probably think I’d be ridicilous by some of the suggestion I make for the class(es) you play…

Edit:

Forgot; Warrior, Elementalist and Necromancer main – Guardian close fourth…

Decrypter.1785:

kitten next living story season 2 is , pvp release

“Mai Trin has finally managed to get enough fuel for her aircrafts to travel – in her travels however, troops of Aetherblades have descended upon the lands below, discovering new areas to settle in, in turn, creating chaos where they go!

Our brave heroes must go to the places in the mist! Get a group of five people and combat the Aetherblades! However, be aware, for it seems the Aetherblades have found allies within the Heart of the Mists, who are eager to protect them!"

Of course with all the exciting new extras such as:

• An Aetherblade backpiece when you won 5 games!
• A rare chance on a Guild Lord Mini! Now obtainable in one of the new Champion Chests which you can recieve by doing the “Aetherblade Reward Track”!
• Gemstore updates! Get a lag-free enviroment by a special Arena Token for our new GvG Arenas!
• Unlock the latest chapter for Living Story Season 2 by Playing now!

Come on… People, you make it sound as if we are being antagonized on purpose…

I even doubt those in charge of fixing bugs even relate to the balancing people – this was a bug, it has been squashed… For the worst of us? Yes! But don’t make it sound as if the Balancing Team is now sipping a Martini and laughing at our pain… Why else design 8 classes if you are constantly antagonizing one?

Be constructive, and don’t make everything sound as if the apocalypse is neigh…

5 minutes…

5… minutes…

… I think I am not even going to say what the issue is with this…

Are Moa, Forsaker, Ironical and Djooce in teams now though? Serious question, I am not up to date…

Cannot believe I forgot Teh, especially since he wrecked me a few times :P

Also, Lunch had that Necromancer with the unpronouncable name, is he still in?

Am I the only one confused as to why someone would make effort in making these lists?

Honest question really…

Out of my head?

Toxic Community – Seiishizo

Peanut Butter Jelly Time – Swisslips

BooN had Ventari, but he switched to Ele as far as I know…

I ran my personal odditiy

A not so standard Condi build, though ever since I tasted Foot in the Grave, I could not let it go… So now I got a build that dishes out less damage than the conventional Terror build, but in turn has more Lifeforce uptime, Stability on demand (which is golden, since you can safestomp/res) and at least some speed to it…
Also, since I got Travelers, there was no need for Spectral Walk, or Warhorn to keep up… Giving me the option to slot something else

Worked funnily well enough when stomping, ressing and surviving on the point :P

In all honesty though, the flaw of a Necromancer in teamfights is kind of nullified whenever there are multiple running about :P

The only real issue we truly had was mobility, and mostly on Foefire – and even that I think we can tackle with some better coordination and builds

Though on the fly, I had a ton of fun – it was a great experience, and I hope for many more

Also big shoutout to XerreX for streaming (he still is)

Yep, I mean I am not goint to say it is not the community’s fault that people with less than 200 matches played are calling one another “PvE Scrubs” and more about murdering their families (no screenshots since I usually leave after)

If Laaw responds, I got at least 3 me included :P

I’ll see if I can record as well

Meh, I guess I screwed up with the mails, so a last minute reminder – we are planning to kick things off tonight

Hopefully I can work on an actual schedule soon™

dzindzinier.6138:

but those games are terrible would never pay 1 $ for players playing them , but i could pay to watch people playing this game ,same as people paying for other sports just to watch how they improve and what new tricks skills they can get

1st: Those games are by default not terrible since they appeal to an audience larger than GW2 does – the only reason I, and many others, still play is because they like this different game

2nd: This game is an utter mess when you see a stream. Random AoEs, particle effects flying everywhere, sometimes even confusing the Streamer as to who is doing what in the end, and lastly, a bunch of Passives doing unexplicable things at the right or wrong moment… There is almost no enjoyment in watching it if you do not relate to the game or the teams in any way – and you want people to pay for it

3rd: I think you need to reconsider what you think might be a “good idea” by the amount of negative feedback you get here… Someone here is wrong, and if you cannot see it isn’t you, then I will just be on my way and breath some air before it runs out…

In combat – none… But this is mostly personal

PvP Scenes? Please, even Dawn of War II’s scene is better managed, and that is mainly fanbased…

On more serious notes: CS:Go, Dota, LoL – these generate more of a revenue than this game could even dream off…

Well, what do you expect what will happen if you “force” people to pay to play?

Do you think those people like me, who like the game but cannot even scratch the top and likely will never do so, and thus have no chance on ever get their investment back, will actually start playing more?

If you “lost your hope” because you think that people are “willing to pay” then, and pardon my words, “I lost hope in you”…

There are but several thousands, maybe hundreds of people playing consistently, only those on the top get catered, and you want to punish them all…

To me what would be cool is to just set up a little format and get to interview some other Necromancer’s within the community (not implying to pick me, but pick me!)

Alright on a more serious note, the thing I liked the most about the suggestions is the “Build Spotlight”
You can easily fill in some time by going over a build, or a variation of a build, and explaining how and why they would fit fights/teams and whatnot… I am fairly certain a lot of Necromancer’s here got a “Signature Build” of their own, and I am always interested in knowing these, but more specifically, why they would run such

I am fairly certain a fee to play PvP would result me in finding my luck elsewhere…

Right now the two best aspects to me in this game are the combat and the fact that I paid once – if they push it, I am out…

Then again, Nullfield is actually pretty good, even against non-condi specs… Why?

Freaking AoE boon removal!

This alone should be a reason to slot it if you want it – I know for sure that it is always on my bar…

Still, as many people stated, you got the option, so don’t cry because you do not want to run it…

Cynz.9437:

GoogleBrandon.5073:

Let’s add to the waterfall of tears…

Had multiple Skyhammer pops after an other, and now I simply shut down the game…

The map literally promotes so much bullkitten that it makes the experience simply gone… well to me that is, I guess all those people who pulled me in stealth had a ton of fun…

I am going to refrain myself from doing SoloQ’s for a while again… It is depressing, and simply disappointing to see this map being in the rotation after all the feedback that has been given…

A lot of people like it, some do not – and I guess those “some” who do not like it are the ones not playing PvP…

i am one of those people pulling other into holes from stealth all game…. trust me, i do not enjoy it but if everyone plays cheese there you either gotta quit or join them

the map is soooooooooooooooooooo buggy too, half of my spells don’t even work properly there due to terrain issues, bugs etc.

i am guessing those a lot of people that like it are…. hmm, those who don’t do ranked or abuse certain farm

Well I am glad to know that you dislike running the cheese…

I can see why you would run it though, I could’ve just gone full Terror like any other Necro, but chose not to because I am a moralist – while there is no reason for me not to do so, since it is not even the player’s fault they run those builds, it is the freaking game…

Ah well, I am disappointed in this game… TeamQ is neigh impossible without a team, and SoloQ invites the worst sometimes…

Let’s add to the waterfall of tears…

Had multiple Skyhammer pops after an other, and now I simply shut down the game…

The map literally promotes so much bullkitten that it makes the experience simply gone… well to me that is, I guess all those people who pulled me in stealth had a ton of fun…

I am going to refrain myself from doing SoloQ’s for a while again… It is depressing, and simply disappointing to see this map being in the rotation after all the feedback that has been given…

A lot of people like it, some do not – and I guess those “some” who do not like it are the ones not playing PvP…

Ah, bit on a short notice, but I just talked with some, and Monday, that is tomorrow, would suit people;

So I will send some mails, check for availability and see if we can get things rolling tomorrow

Alright, I will be available this evening as well at the very least…

I will just assemble those who are online for at least one try out – got everyone added, so that should be fine

unlucky.9285:

what you just described is just as if not more annoying then a warrior that is in my face with heal signet…. at least any skills i used that are dot do not go to waste and shoved on cd while you run off to reset the fight constantly.

I cannot believe you really…

Do you honestly want Warriors to be stuck with freaking Hambow forever or what? Because what you just did is giving a biased comment as to why you’d dislike a change in combat without even taking into consideration as to what it might do with the meta, the playability of the class, and the way combat works into several levels of this game…

Build diversity, any class wants it, not just us necromancers – it is completely ridiculous that the “Meta build” and the most boring and braindead spec for Warriors is almost becomming the only viable thing to run – as much as it is for Necromancers to run Terror…

Open your eyes for the love of myself… It is not just Necromancers suffering from not having enough diversity – even if Warriors dominated…

Well, yes and no(?)

Follow me on this;

I had a build theorycrafted pre-patch, which was a glassier build with a GS, required the mobility to get out of combat, heal up, and get back in… Meanwhile, you could check your statusses, such as poison and whatnot to get those cleansed…

This is sadly now not as much possible as the decay hits quicker than the standard health return gets to you…

Plus, if you want to stay in combat and heal, why bother even using Healing Surge? Healing Signet is made for that, to sustain yourself while being in combat

unlucky.9285:

i tried warrior again after the nerf and did not notice much difference really -.- your adrenaline builds ridiculously fast if anything it needs to be toned down lol! and you got more ways to build it quicker on your skills. the only dif is you cant miss switch hit with your burst, and that’s a good thing

The problem is not missing a burst, that is a design choice that has made combat for Warriors several times more enjoyable…

It is the Decay hitting too quickly, killing Adrenal Surge, thus locking you right back into Healing Signet… That is, imho, not a good thing…

Susanoo.2586:

Seeing as Warrior Adrenaline degens quicker outside of Combat, I think Death shroud should match that speed, It seems a little cheat-y fighting a Necro that has just built up their life force outside of combat by swapping skills.

No.

Chokolata.1870:

I think they should increase the window of opportunity for the warrior to use adrenaline. Losing it right after you leave combat is a bit too much. Perhaps give them 10-15 s delay.

Yes.

No worries, we can always hope that the AI will do an excelent job :P

Sorry for intruding the again…

It is the gamemode, not Thief…

I cannot believe I’d have to tell you that after all your experience though… If you do not understand this, then I think I got nothing else to add…

Which I do not btw, Thieves are fine, I do not or barely play them even and even I get tired of the whining about them…

S/F still kills thieves…

Or maybe it is because I am playing it… not sure…

Got The Laaw joining us

I am wrong because I can kill thieves nowadays?

This is certainly a strange one… I should just… dunno…