Guild Wars 2

As others have stated, Kaineng has the numbers but abysmal personal skill. Even those who you would think be decent are just trash, aka some WM commander with the sniper rifle. To put it simply, whenever I come across a Kaineng player I assume s/he is a glass cannon baddie. Whereas whenever I came across a Maguuma player I assumed I would be in for a good fight.

Prediction of kain vs mag (assuming numbers stay the same): An opener dominated by Maguuma giving Maguuma a large early lead. A night where Kain claws back its territory and some of the other two servers. Barely making up the initial point differential though. Maguuma starts coming back in force and contains kain to their BL and third of EB. For the rest of the week it is Maguuma maintaining a +100 over kain during NA primetime for the first week day and increasing for each subsequent week day while Kain is able to keep a +150 over Mag during the 5 hour asian primetime. The score by the end of the week will be a convincing Maguuma victory.

Gasoline.2570:

OP knows how to spin properly. Where art thou community, where art thou sm, bp, Tofu – where art.

In another server, actually.

This “tightly” knit community is but a lie of drama and fragility.

It’s been an absolute travesty trying to have fun in wvw for a while there now. My prediction is that EB will fall..

but, then again, I could be wrong. I hope I am.

You may not realize it, but this tight knit community is the reason the fall-out caused Ehmry to only lose under half of its WvW guilds from when it first entered t4. Whereas you would see an entire server wiped of its orginization (IoJ, HoD, BP, DR) by the same fall-out. For example, if you need it, of the guilds you listed as having transferred off, two thirds of them transferred to Ehmry after our rise through the ranks.

What you see left on Ehmry are those who deeply care for the server and its people. We are all motivated in rebuilding and improving the entire server. Such improvements are taking place as we speak. Honestly, I am personally giddy for the future of Ehmry Bay.

Since this is an Ehmry Bay specific thread, I would like to greatly thank Thuley for his enormous investment of time and resources into the server. This tight-knit community is of direct result of his effort. *e-hug

Acelerion.6820:

Will training include a special topic on how to transfer the hell off of maguuma?

The curriculum will be all you need to survive in the upper tiers:
1)How to find the nearest zerg
2)Portal Bombing

ShadowSoljer.6524:

You played for a couple hours last night and managed to figure out how all the guilds on all the borderlands play? You must be a genius. That’s real talent folks, this guy should be a leader of whatever country he is from. I’m guessing you only played in Eternal BG since you talked about WM. Did you try any other borderlands? We have guilds assigned to each borderland, guilds you certainly didn’t fight.

I’m tired of all these whiners week after week giving full credit to WM. Yes they are good, but they aren’t doing it by themselves. They have full presence in Eternal and a smaller presence on one of the other borderlands at reset, after that, since we owned everything in 8 hours, everyone just goes to where help is needed. So you saw one tiny part of what the server can do, yet you make such a bs statement like that. Now that is something to laugh about, something to bring “tears of mirth” to my eyes. You got outplayed and outmanned. Enjoy the ride back down to t8.

Then rest assured because I spent my reset in Ehmry Bay Borderlands. I was part of the group killing nearly every yak, the visual bug helped the others get through, going to Bay. Individual skill was incredibly low. I don’t recall ever coming across an opponent who was not full glass cannon (which are incredibly easy to kill). In case you don’t remember, Kain was isolated to just the Bay for the first three hours (which after three our numbers started dropping drastically).

Bunzy.8674:

I want to know why SM came to Maguuma, that is all.

They felt sorry for annihilating your Elementalist and decided to transfer to give you pointers.

Rhyis.7058:

I’m pretty sure we’ve never lost to the unofficial Asian zerg server.

You have also never played them after their transfers.

Rhyis.7058:

I’m pretty sure we’ve never lost to the unofficial Asian zerg server.

You have also never played them after their transfers.

Rhyis.7058:

I’m pretty sure we’ve never lost to the unofficial Asian zerg server.

You have also never played them after their transfers.

patricide.1062:

Gorefiend.9675:

patricide.1062:

Every night.

the mesmers

Don’t care. Every night.

they just don’t care.

patricide.1062:

Every night.

the mesmers

Dude, you gotta continue this. I know you are reading.

patricide.1062:

I warned you…

cool story bro

EnRohbi.2187:

Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.
What about that?

I don’t know what scores you’ve been looking at,
But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind.

You can make yourself feel better all you want by crying about our Asian population,
But at the end of the day it’s only an excuse for why you aren’t winning in cumulative points right now.

Whoosh as everything goes right over your head. Don’t worry, I will do my best to explain this for ya.

First of all, when trying to examine NA and Oceanic/Asian crew separately. Combining them in an analysis, as you did here “But we’ve been holding our lead pretty long into the day and when we do lose it, we do not get very far behind”, is a very bad idea.

Second, when your morning crew can crush every server from t4 down, then it means that they are stronger than all the servers from t8 through t4. Please though, I would absolutely love to hear your logic behind this: “Maybe your night crew is no where near t4 quality.”

note: I have no quarrels with the DB Asian population. No server should be at fault for just having people. Though they do very effectively highlight the problems with golems.

Furey.6734:

I disagree. I think DB NA prime is Tier 4. Maybe not the top of tier 4 but we are there. Without complaining, our NA crew is being focused by both of the other servers else we would be shooting up the tier alot faster. This is fine and I encourage it since I think DB should stay in tier 4 a while before moving up allowing our NA prime player base to build up and get stronger. Either way, we are here to stay in the tier this time.

DB NA team is nowhere near t4 quality. At best I would put it at mid t5.

nytehex.3267:

there is a small ledge on the north wall IN the water at bay that can be used to put down catapults and such. Like I said, I didn’t report anything to anyone, I told people and they came and destroyed them.

The catapult at the water entrance of bay is not an exploit. That spot is intended for use like that.

Welcome to the party Dragonbrand. Here is to a fun week of killing and capturing.

Monztor.9207:

They’re party rams. <3 Also, we have plenty of drinks and food for all if you can get to our guild banquet table :P

Well kitten I never got an invitation.

If last week was the victory rams. What is this weeks?

http://imgur.com/brpah

If you want information on Maguuma, here it is:

note: I will be comparing Maguuma with Ehmry Bay since these are the two servers that both myself as well as BP are familiar with.

Population: Maguuma has a nearly identical population size as Ehmry Bay in all times zones except the night presence. Ehmry had a better nighttime presence than Maguuma when they last fought you.

Strategy: If Maguuma expects an easy victory, their tactics will be simple much like Ehmrys was during last weeks matchup. If they decide to not let up at all, here is what you can expect:

Supply Control: Maguuma is able to dedicate groups of people to walk each needed dolyak to its destination. Likewise, there will usually be teams sent to kill important enemy dolyaks. Though the numbers sent are usually smaller than what they can use for guarding. Maguuma also likes to guard their supply camps more than what you have probably experienced. In particular, they will guard the Lowlands supply camp where their Hills is ferociously.

Siege Placement: Maguuma knows every siege placement you do and more. Make sure to watch where Maguuma places siege to learn those spots. For your defensive siege, if you do not make sure each and every siege you place is as far away from being attacked as possible, it will be gone before it is of any use. Do not rely on the outer wall mortars, cannons, or oil. They will be destroyed.
Mesmers and Elementalists: Yes, Maguuma has plenty of each one. Swirling winds are a norm as well as portal bombs. Though, probably nothing beyond what you already experience.

Golems:Maguuma loves golems. Assuming there are objective of value to capture, expect several golem rushes a day. The scariest golem rush I have ever witnessed was made by Maguuma. It included ensuring the keep siege (mortars, oil, cannons) were destroyed before bringing the golems in as well as swirling winds to block whatever siege they could not get to quickly. There was literally nothing we could have done to stop it. A typical golem rush will contain anywhere from five to eight golems. One of the typical elements of a Maguuma golem rush will be every one of your quaggan nodes getting flipped. Also look for lulls in a siege conducted by Maguuma. Maguuma is able to keep constant pressure on any fortification they are sieging. If they seem to be letting up, they are likely planning something else such as a golem rush.

Ninjaing:Maguuma, particularly the guild [iRes] loves to ninja whatever it can. You must make sure you inspect every contest.

Fighting Power: The skill of the average Maguumian pug is no different than any other server. The skill of the WvW guilds, however, are going to be better than what you have previously experienced (minus a few notable exceptions [GOAT] of BP).

Response Time: This deserves its own section because they can get rather absurd with Maguuma. First let me explain that Maguuma has a public mumble server that a large portion of their player base joins. They can call a lot of people extremely quickly to any point.

Raid Times:Possibly the most important section. Maguuma seems to make two notable pushed for whichever borderland they choose two times a day. One time during the morning (not sure exactly) and another anytime from 5pm est till the end of NA primetime. Maguuma usually kicks it off with a golem rush. Expect large numbers, minimum 40 people.

Honestly, you are going to have to do everything possible to not make this a blowout. Maguuma is going to come at with with more of everything.

Rhyis.7058:

You realize the exact same thing happened in Yaks borderlands yesterday, right? EBay love sure love that victim card. Learn to defend your borderland half as well as Mag and maybe it won’t happen to you.

We may be last on the scores, but we’re the only server to not lose both east and west keep simultaneously in NA hours this week. Ya’ll slackers need to build some arrow carts.

Tough talk for the team in third place.

Truearrow.3527:

I got a better idea 140 of our Mags are prepared to transfer to Dragonbrand to help our friends out temporarily next week,,, yeah that sounds like a better idea.

Notus.5769:

And there is no ridiculous Ehmry hate group.

Right, ok

I think it is more of that the Eternal BG server crashed rather than them just kicking us.

Plok.6145:

DKz Lux.4125:

So bored with all the discussion going on this thread. I guess all I can ask is…

Krew, do you even lift?

Mindless zerg is just their style, we all know that. At least we no longer have to placate them to get along with everyone else on the server. They don’t know what a favor they did all of us here on Borlis. They lost most of their better players to other guilds on Borlis.

Having played BP last week. This x1000

Besetment.9187:

I’m not trying to argue anything. I’m telling SethGrev what server transfers we have gotten from the Ebay Hate Club. He will not have played with many of them because there aren’t many of them.

Not significant? You have 3 decent to large sized WvW guilds join your server. You say some do not exist anymore which may be true (Have not seen the FINE tag this match). That does not mean the players themselves have stopped playing. I have a bad feeling that I am getting trolled right now…

Besetment.9187:

FINE (no longer exists), OG and AoN off the top of my head. Both OG and AoN have less than 15 members. I’ve seen like one MEOW tag in all the time I’ve played. I did not know that MEOW came from NSP.

The only member of OG I have played with regularly is Storm Goddess (who is really good). I pretty much never see any of the others.

What in the world are you trying to argue?

SethGrev.8275:

Who did Maguuma gain?

Not trolling – Serious question.

About a month ago two NSP guilds as well as a former Ehmry guild transferred over. FINE, MEOW, and AoN.

I realize you must be happy with the new transfers DB. Be warned though that those are not the type of guilds you want populating your server. You will either become the new SoS or end up in a free fall through the tiers because of abandonment. The latter is much more. Likely.

Nanorin.9285:

Ebay want to report that speed hacker, that you have on your side? Please.

Can’t target that kitten.

If is the same one as before, then I have no idea who it is. Never seen that guild tag before. Could we get a location though? On a side note, looks like Dragonbrand is becoming the black hole if tier 5 sucking up all the oppositions guilds.

How about a score update for those stuck at work? Also, most of EBay is not truly complaining about a double team. We realize Yak attacks both servers regardless. Well, except for that CL guild. The gripe is with Mags showing an apparent bias to attack Ebay.

saiyr.3071:

Yeah, so whose server forum is it that has a thread about bumping another server down a notch? Last time I checked, it was yours.

Good job quoting a thread from an old matchup.

saiyr.3071:

It’s disingenuous to say that we didn’t make an effort on their borderlands, though. We took their keep after some time though the means through which it was obtained is still in question. Either way, it made them rather annoyed and they took it right back and we were unable to take it back for awhile after. And of course, east keep is easier to defend.

Never said you did not make any attempt. I just implied your effort was absolutely laughable. You are right, east keep is much easier to defend. Which makes me wonder why you could not defend against it while we were able to hold bay.

saiyr.3071:

And if you’re going describe effort in terms of points captured then there is much more evidence if you focusing us than the other way around.

Please, enlighten me as to how the points put Ehmry as the primary perpetrator for instigating a fight for second.

saiyr.3071:

Ultimately, it was my request for the rest of our forces to pull out of Yak’s Bend and support the effort in your borderlands, because we already had a waypointed keep by then and we were being pushed by both sides on that map. It didn’t seem likely that we were going to get east keep back, so sure, you can blame us for giving them points, but it wasn’t for lack of trying. We simply don’t have the manpower to go everywhere, and our organization just isn’t on par with yours on opening nights.

Yes, I am blaming you for giving Yak’s points. Especially since that last paragraph directly admitted prioritizing gaining your own points at the expense of an ever increasing Yak lead.

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Let Yakkies run away with the lead instead of attacking them and you guys are destined to finish second instead of potentially first.

Trying to say we are letting yaks run away with the lead when we controlled keeps on yaks BL for an order of magnitude longer than Maguuma did? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

ShadowSoljer.6524:

LightningStrikesThrice.8547:

Learned something new from EB today.

Good to know, I’ll be sure to report both of them for exploiting, even though many others are around including you.

Wait…wut? How is that an exploit?

Forzani.2584:

Sounds like a lot of fun.

Most I have seen is Maguuma putting one person in each control point (including supply camps) at all times a day. Honestly speaking, just coming off a match up against Maguuma, this setup allows us to be extremely lazy with our gameplay.

fellyn.5083:

I don’t know about you but I don’t think one server being ahead by almost 70k+ points 3 days after the match starts is close.

Sarcasm is a tricky thing.

DKz Lux.4125:

Is DH playing for second or is it just clueless pugs attacking BP just when we weaking Ehmry?

DH has most of their borderlands green and now they’re making a major push on SM. Makes no tactical sense to me.

I don’t think you and I are reading the same map.

The mist form is the only useful downed ability an Ele has.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Truth be told, I hear from the grapevine that EB has a lot of power hidden from IoJ from a guild transfer.

Ebay has a lot of power regardless of any transfers. I honestly have no idea why you want to fight Ebay.

Besetment.9187:

That rush on Ebay BL yesterday was opportunism. We didn’t team up with any server. The original target was Garrison in YB BL but Ebay made it impossible for us to advance beyond west keep because they capped NE Tower and moved on Garrison. Anyone who plays borderlands frequently knows that is a horrible place to be in if you are attacking West Keep.

NE Tower is a safe treb on Garrison. Garrison is a safe treb on West Keep. If we had taken West Keep, Ebay could and should have golem rushed Garrison when YB was fully committed to defending West Keep inner. And if Ebay commanders were smart they would have wanted Maguuma to win at West Keep inner because the upgrades would reset and Ebay could treb the walls down 10x faster from Garrison cliffs.

So yeah that was a pretty rubbish position to be in strategically. Good thing we noticed it because we completely disengaged from West Keep, allowing YB to fully defend their Garrison and take back their North East Tower with no pressure from us.

Then we scouted Ebay BL. My team followed 2x hapless commanders and 6 random players (with tags I haven’t seen on Ebay before like [GODZ]) in order to pick up map movements and test reactions by fake contesting towers, waypoints and fake supply camp raids.

After about half an hour we decided Ebay BL was a soft target and built 4 golems using supply ported in from YB BL and then Maguuma BL, mapped portal routes, waited for Ebay to fully commit to East Keep inner defence in YB BL and then rushed their entire borderland taking the following:

Upgraded South East Tower (tier 1 walls, non reinforced gate)
South East Supply
South Supply
Fully upgraded Garrison
Fully upgraded East Keep
North West Supply
North Supply
Fully upgraded North East Tower

in the space of 2 ticks. Then the server crashed and we lost all of our golems, garrison trebs, all other siege and nearly half of our players.

YB had already piled into Ebay BL midway through our rush. That was alot of fully upgraded stuff that just turned to wood and paper and alot of soft targets for YB to turn green, but it was Ebay that turned it red. Ebay had the most advantageous spawn location to do that plus a safe treb from a still fully upgraded NW tower on Garrison. It was inevitable really.

We dont double team anyone. We look for and strike at weak points. The big problem in this matchup is really obvious. Neither Ebay or Mags can field full strength teams in 1 borderland + eternal.

YB can. Their eternal crowd is honestly rabid.

That was a frustrating rush. Annoying to have the siege necessary to counter a golem rush only to be negated by Ele’s swirling winds.

Bunzy.8674:

At least I know why Maguuma is losing to Ehrmy Bay for the first time in weeks, its that new 450 man guild -.-

Except we (Ehmry Bay) were beating you (maguuma) before HIRE joined.

Slight exaggeration, but it was the longest I have seen for Ebay ever. On one of the borderlands though.

Bunzy.8674:

I am not sure about you but it takes me 15 seconds to get back into WvW

Except when the queue can be up to an hour depending on the borderland.

ryan.3915:

Please share the wonderful skill and strategy that makes the other two servers stand out. Always willing to learn.

Not trying to build a Siege Golem in front of the enemys door within range of their arrow carts for one.

JaNordy.6149:

Its when someone kills another server player over and over for badge farming. You need 3 people or clients to do it, one to kill, one to die, and one to rez. Anet likely wont do anything but at least those guilds should kick those members or be labeled “insult of your choice here”.

You are not a very observant one are you? you could clearly see that they were fighting each other.

Deathdom.8250:

Maybe I’m missing something but how do you know its Mag?

Why is it Maguuma?

*CD is an Asian server. This would be considered their off peak hours. Why would they want to sabotage a keep during the time they would not be able to take it?

*Maguuma was not only in the zone, but with an organized push by one of their main WvW guilds (SFD). That is opposed to Crystal Deserts presence being as close to none as possible (Did not see one Crystal Desert tag).

*Crystal Desert is so clearly in the lead, why in the world would they bother wasting time and siege on sabotage of either of the two servers? Conversely, it is still a game (albeit a long shot) between Maguuma and Ehmry Bay.

*Maguuma does not like Ehmry Bay very much. If you try to refute, just look at this, and the previous, thread.

Citizens of the Jury, when considering the evidence of Maguuma having a motive to sabotage that is vastly greater than Crystal Desert as well as when considering the general hostilities and hatred between the two servers. I hope you come back with the only logical verdict of “Guilty”. I rest my cast.

Keep it classy Maguuma.

Just letting ya know, Dragonbrand has decent morning presence. They also like to throw masses of golems early morning.

Ebay – 6,172 +225
CD – 5,249 +255
Maguuma – 4,909 +215

Seriously DB and HoD, stop teaming up against Ebay. The worst is at around 9pm. Literally the only server you guys attack is us…

We are playing a game where our duty is to kill you and take your stuff and you want to talk about having ethics? On that note, you also want to complain when we start killing you efficiently? On a non sarcastic note, destruction of morale is a legitimate strategy to use. That is all.

That siege is probably thrown by our pugs. I know I am personally saving all my superior and regular siege for next week.
If there is one thing Ehmry does extremely well, it is throwing around superior siege everywhere.

jktracey.3487:

Mirage.2597:

I’m sure it will be more fun then when we had 690 , 0 ,0 yesterday

It’s never fun getting destroyed, you’ll soon find out.

We definitely do know how that feels. Ebay used to be at the bottom of the rankings as well as just coming off a one sided loss. But I can assure you it is more entertaining to play last weeks losing game than this weeks winning game.