Guild Wars 2

Bags go only up to 18 slots at r40.

There are no bags on r50 or r60.

Ormiga.6183:

really? this guy clicks on his utility skills lol. was this a troll?

Auron best Thief EU!

At least that’s what he used to spam in the mists.

I vote Auron.

My question is: Warrior changes. Do they work on anything, and if so, on what? Trait changes? Weapon redesigns? Triple weapon swap? Condition removal/immunity? Or just tooltip fixes as always?

Warrior definitely is NOT fine. Otherwise we would see more than 2 teams in EU using them.

Don’t let them skip the matter like last time. Grab some pliers and pull their tongues if you have to. We want some answers.

A set of town clothes, with a shirt saying “I farmed QP like a madman and all I got is this t-shirt.”.

Well, actually I’m wondering what the prize is myself.

Over last couple days we’ve seen more dev posts on this forum than past 3 months altogether. We really appreciate every post Tyler and Evan made.

My question is, can we expect this level of communication with PvP community to keep up? Or are you doing this just to calm us down a bit, after last patch nearly caused riots, and we’ll be back to usual silence soon enough?

Former would of course be preferred, and I’m pretty sure community’s attitude towards devs would quickly improve if you were to keep it up.

Anastasis.7258:

Gmtsai.6349:

You guys should go meet and play with Anastasis Tactis in order to get your confidence back on warrior. He runs the unique warrior and he is very strong, I believe he is pro in 1v1 and also the most effectiveness warrior in team-fight now…

Hmm… thanks for mentioning me, but I don’t think I’m not good. Well I have to say the only thing is, I really enjoying to watch people’s rage after they got owned by me in 1v1, and I’m a WARRIOR. That’s the only thing true right here. LOL

For K pop, don’t be sad, because ppl whoever playing warriors r reli skilled players. The reason why is because we don’t want to touch those cheesy classes. Many people try to show “I am so pro” with a cheesy class, which is so laughable. So just don’t think that much

Regards.

Anastasis Tactis.
(Tarcis Rhapsodos)

Bit kitteny but I guess you got right to speak so. Warrior is manual class, it won’t play itself for you.

Probably that’s why I just can’t endure playing other classes.

Added link to Rerroll’s poll to first post, please vote if you haven’t already.

Hate to say it, but EU isn’t really that hot for Warriors either :P.

Tyler Bearce.3427:

Ratings were reset with the patch, when we split the ratings for 3 round and 1 round tournaments. So as people play more games they’ll start to settle again.

Hey Tyler, thanks for dropping by.

Problem is, many people will not play more games, they won’t play any games, exactly because of 3v5/4v5 and getting matched vs high lv teams with a bunch of new players.

What’s with those 4v5 rosters anyway? I can understand a leaver now and then, but not in 90% of matches.

Blackhat.4016:

I never called someone a “casual faceroll warrior”. It’s just a sad fact that most people will see that kind of player in every single warrior, no matter if it is true or not. Please read before commenting. Thanks.

Soon there will be no Warriors left to call names anyway. We’re a dying breed.

Its obvious you’ll become better player by facing actual people, who actually think (or at least try to), not just simple scripts that run monsters.

Prahl.1057:

massive player-base (pvp+pve+wvw)

Massive player base PvE+WvW. At this point PvP community is probably less than 200 people.

And I mean actual PvP community, not PvE players dropping in for 30 minutes a day for 4 achievement points.

I think there’s no one left who believes this game will ever become esport. Well, there’s Clik, who will keep saying ‘more patience, you will not get esport instantly lol’ until he has no one to play against (cheers bro, I know you’re reading this).

I talked a bit with high level players. Most of them love the game, but are getting fed up with Anet’s everlasting ‘When It’s ready, we can’t talk about it yet.’. It seems most of them are putting march patch as the deadline for developers to get their kitten together and show some actual changes.

My feelings? In April even Desolation Mists will become a desert.

I think I’m just gonna farm glory in hotjoins till r50/I find a team/Anet fixes matchmaking. 160k rank points I’m missing will probably be the fastest one to achieve.

Hopefully by then teams like Crs, CN, EV etc would move up high enough so I don’t need to face them with a bunch of r10s as teammates.

Defektive.7283:

Who would I attempt to contact in regards to Warrior class changes?

Example: If I wanted to know if anything was potentially in the pipeline for Banner changes etc.

Your psychotherapist. At least that’s what I do when I suddenly develop hope for any Warrior changes.

But seriously, some info would be nice.

Sovta.4719:

At least you had full team, we were 4 against premade team.

Just edited that. Most of the time only getting 4 people. Hell, couple times I only had 3.

What was it you guys said? Chance of encountering full premade team while solo queing will be extremely low?

Last 5 games i played:
- Enemy team: full premade, everyone r40-50.
- My team: 1-2 r40+, 2x r1-15. (I rarely even get 5 people in team lol)

Flawless matchmaking. Simply flawless.
Chances of me believing anything devs say in forseeable future are extremely low.

Anyone else has these problems? Or is my rank just driven too high by winning streak earlier?

Rerroll’s poll for implementing real solo/duo que, separate from premades:
http://poll.pollcode.com/ya9faa#

Depends whether you play on NA or EU.

I think NA is still hot for Longbow+GS. EU on the other hand goes for GS/Axe+Shield or GS/Sword+Shield, with Leg Specialist.

Gizmo.8623:

And it seems to be so simple:
1. Want to adress bugs before release and have community opinions before final decision – give us PTS.
2. Want to know if any class/build is OP – give us dueling and deatchmatches, which are also desired features.

Players will discover all there is to discover and will point out things worth pointing out.

Players already pointed out thousands of things. 90% of them were completely ignored.

firebreathz.7692:

altho i can see your frustration with the slow progress we are slowly making…

if you have been here since launch then you have had 5 whole months to play the game and get your moneys worth..
if you were playing wow or similar with subscriptions then you would of racked up £44.95 by now… that more then the cost of the game…

and you can just come back later when the game has had more then just 5 months of being live and is in better standing..

every update has to be done in a certain order so the base code is there ect… it will take a while to get up to scratch.. yes but atleast you can always come back to see with no extra charge..

False advertising remains false advertising.

Mystry.4235:

Whats so wrong with sword bleed builds?

Couple other professions applying them twice as fast and twice as much.

CookMETEnder.7582:

Haha don’t worry
I love the sword, but it has never been useful to me.. even in guild wars 2 T_T…
I always went Hammer for PvP, and Axe for PvE haha

Hammer is cool. If only #5 stunned for the 2s tooltip says instead of .5 second…

Larynx.2453:

Well, they did make it so the banner stab hits three targets now. Banner build is the new meta.

Right.

Banners instead of pitchforks then. More damage.

angan.6572:

JonPeters.5630:

There are some updates missing from the notes. We are tracking down those, but some changes to the D/D and S/D ele build are in this patch despite not being in the notes.

Stop being a coward and show your face in the rangers forum ! We demand answers !

Warriors are about to swap their greatswords for pitchforks and torches.

What Helseth said. I know lots of people who never played p2p games coz of monthly fees, but happily threw 20-30€ a month for some cool skins in f2p games.

DXIEdge.2789:

Who IS on the PTR. Don’t we have a right to know?

I know of 2 EU teams. Can’t say much about NA, or if there’s more people from EU.

Gilgamesh.2561:

You people need to shut up.

Balance isn’t even the breaking point for sPvP. It’s the lack of systems. Always has been, always will be. Ladders, spectating, eliminating queues (and making solo queue separate from premades). The minor differences in balance (only seen by .001% of the tPvPers who care enough) is the least of your crybaby concerns.

You must be playing ele or mesmer.

CookMETEnder.7582:

Lol, I wouldn’t mind buying a Bolt now
The only reason I decided not to before was because it was utterly worthless even though it looked cool…
I guess I’ll still wait though and see how things work out…

Good thing I invested in a sexy bow skin

Uhh hope you don’t take me too seriously, wouldn’t want you to waste money :P

HannaDeFreitas.4236:

Lol’d.
No wait we’re supposed to run shout healing because now it “correctly” affects people in 600 radius.
They want a bunch of wammos running dual swords and bow apparently.

And killing people by dropping 4 banners on their heads.

Esoteric.5490:

Link is broken.

Ah, forgot it won’t work from this forum. Gonna replace it with bit.ly version in a min.

Sovereign.1093:

I has no bow t.t

Get one, Pin Down OP now.

Judging by the patch notes, we’re supposed to run something like this now.

http://bit.ly/15OfgTx

Copenhagen.7015:

Harrier.9380:

Ayestes.1273:

a Condi Warrior

This is an oxymoron.

But it shouldn’t be. Why even give Warriors weapons that utilize conditions if they’re just going to be useless?

Anet logic. It’s not like it’s the only thing that doesn’t make sense in this game.

Ayestes.1273:

a Condi Warrior

This is an oxymoron.

I expect loading bug.

No PvP patch is complete without loading bug.

Nice read, man.

I fear there’s a good chance Anet will completely ignore this article, but good job nonetheless.

JUST LOGGED IN!

After a billion tries. Keep trying guys, should work sooner or later.

Server: Desolation
Region: EU
Location: Poland
Build: 16732
Error code: 42:0:9001:4105

Hope you can get it fixed soon.

Most likely connected to login error.

Don’t try relogging. :P

Bane.5379:

Just make it like Hutball from swtor that was the most fun game mode ever.

Actually Hutball was pretty terrible.
Though it could just be my opinion. Since republic was pretty much non-existent on my server, all we did was Empire vs Empire Hutball all day long.

And then most people played it like a deathmatch anyway.

Continued.

Now, how to bring ex-players back?

Obviously GW2 has an advantage when it comes to bringing back old players because of it’s B2P business model. And all ex-players already own the game anyway. Don’t count on this alone to be enough though.

I believe there are two major groups among ex-players: The Hopeful and Gone for Good.

- The Hopeful are those of us who still follow the game with the hope of some day coming back. They still read and write on the forums from time to time and follow patch notes. I believe with single-round paids and matchmaking in, and rankings not too far on the horizon, we’re getting close to the point when many of them might start coming back. I believe next 1-2 months will be critical when it comes to this group and require Anet to put much effort to not dissapoint this group. Otherwise good will of those ex-players is likely to expire and they’ll move on to the second group. (As you probably figured by now, this is the group I belong to).

- Gone for Good are those players, who lost all their faith in GW2 ever becoming a serious PvP game. They are also likely to stay away from anything else developed by Anet in the future. I believe some of those might still be brought back at some point, but earning back their trust will require huge effort. I like the attitude Jon Sharp & Jon Peters presented in SotG – “It’s not a question of if, it’s a question of when.” If… I’m sorry, WHEN all the required features are ready and PvP commuity grows back to the size it used to be, we might see some of those guys back in game. That is, if they don’t find something else they would enjoy in the meantime (Even I’m keeping my eye on at least three upcoming MMOs).

I hope this helps to shed some light on ex-player’s views and expectations.
Have a nice day everyone and thanks for reading.

Blaze.

Nice read, Zoose.

Just watched SotG, and mostly I like what I hear. I appreciate every bit of info given out beyond good old ’We’re working on something, but can’t talk much about it yet.’.

There was however one moment which really kitten me off – commenting results of single-round paids test as if they were a big surprise. Community spent last 4-5 months complaining about the whole tournament system and proposing countless great alternatives. I think positive feedback in this case is hardly something to be surprised about. I mean, players have been BEGGING for something like this for past couple months!

Now, I won’t be analyzing SotG further, as I mostly agree with what OP wrote, so no point doubling it here. There was however another matter I wanted to talk about.

“A plan for bringing players back.”

This one thing ringed in my head for the whole time I spent reading ths thread.

I’m one of those ex-players myself. After my team left the game I’ve stuck around for two more months, watching our secondary team fall apart, answering countless “Hey, what happened to you, pirates? You guys were doing so good.” questions and trying to tag along with some friends for couple matches every now and then.

But enough about my sad story. I believe to bring us back, Anet needs to understand what made us quit in the first place.

- First off there’s slow PvP developement, slow response to bugs and exploits. Yes, I know both new features and fixes need to be developed and tested before being applied. I understand it all. But it’s easy to lose faith in company’s interest in PvP, when every month they can release big PvE patch, with bunch of new content and huge event, and couple minor patches within few days to fix possible bugs in said content, but game-breaking bugs and exploits in PvP roam free for weeks. I don’t mean to go necro, but this needs to be said – block bug and Svanir runes are great example here. Stuff like that needs to be hotfixed ASAP. Instead, they were in game for so long, the whole meta grew around abusing them. One could say “It’s not such a big deal, it was like three weeks, then it was fixed and everything was fine again.”
Sadly, those three weeks of facing bug-abusing teams in every single game, every single day made my team quit the game permamently. Also due to these three weeks Anet lost all credibility in their eyes. I believe [Yarr] weren’t the only ones to give up game because of this.

Bug and exploit fixes need to be faster, end of story. A simple temporary solution while dev team works on a fix would be to give players option to report exploiters ingame while oficially declaring new exploits a bannable offense as they show up. Of course there would need to be some system in place against abusing reports…

- Secondly, there’s a matter of class viability. We all know some classes are considered mandatory, and very few teams are willing to risk some unconventional class combinations. Even fewer are succesful with those. This is one of the reasons why I left the game. I love Warrior, and that’s the only class I wanna play (even though I can play 2-3 others on a decent level). Even though my burst/control build can be a beast in small fights, like 2v2, I couldn’t find a decent team. It’s better to get faster and more versatile Thief, who can turn 2v2s into 2v1s almost instantly (And survive much longer too, due to all the escape tools at his disposal).

While I support small, gradual changes rather than “Whack a mole” nerfs and buffs, it can often be seen as a lack of action when changes take too long, when stuff that’s visibly op is left as it is for a month or two.

- Third problem is lack of communication. Most of my friends who left the game are convinced Anet just doesn’t give a flying kitten about PvP community. Very few dev posts on the PvP forums and constant stream of “When it’s ready.” and “We can’t talk about it yet.” all factor into this.

I know devs use their free time to post on the forums, and I appreciate this. However better communication would surely be beneficial to both sides – that’s why I’ve always suggested there’s need for someone like PvP Community Manager, who would handle communication between devs and players.
Stuff like SotG is a step in right direction, kudos to Guru guys for making it happen and to Jon&Jon for taking time to participate in it.

Continued in next post.

Agreed. Exactly how I felt a month ago. Quick tip – don’t bother visiting forums too often, you’re not gonna see anything new, and only dev posts you can expect will be ‘we can’t talk about it yet, will tell you more when it’s ready’. Dropping by once a month is more than enough.

Since I stopped playing GW2 I finally got around to catching up with some other games I wanted to play, I suggest you do the same. Just reinstalled Skyrim with a couple nice mods, should last me till Feb patch. And if nothing changes till then, I guess I’ll be done with GW2 for good.

Ancher.5436:

Or maybe a complete “MOBA” setup. Start with a small amount of gold to buy a starter item and then go farm easy Skritt minions and kill enemy players to get more gold and buy stronger items only for that match. Destroy the enemy towers, get to their “crystal of power” destroy it and win.

Oh god, please don’t suggest adding even more PvE into PvP. This game already has way too much AI in PLAYER VS PLAYER mode. (Bosses, Necro minions, Ranger pets & spirits, Engi turrets, Mesmer phantasms/clones, Thieves Guild, elementals, spectral weapons)

If anything we should be looking to reduce amount of PvE elements, not increase it.

Fynd.4890:

Best burst, best mobility, best survivability, most evades, most vigor, most condition removal, best lifesteal, most offensive abilities combined with invincibility(evades), most stealth(mesmer has 2 less), most off-cooldown abilities, most teleports, second-most stun-breaks. Thieves have it real hard. I play my thief in sPvP just to remind myself why the game isn’t even close to e-sport ready.

Fighting whether thief or mesmer is more unbalanced? Yay! * Grabs a popcorn *

This combo has been around forever, here just with added haste and macroed (grounds for ban btw, get on it mods). The only thing Anet did about it over last 4 months was slightly nerfing CnD damage.

Anyone still surprised PvP community is abandoning this game like a sinking ship?

JonathanSharp.7094:

@ Mesmer: We’ll be addressing the current Mesmer build that’s spiking for insane damage. Sorry that change got through – it is something we’ll be fixing.

I assume it will take you a month to introduce a fix, as usual? Guess I’m done with the game till 15th January, hope you are capable of fixing this mess by then. I’m pretty sure I paid for Guild Wars 2, not Mesmer Wars 2.

Levetty.1279:

So when are Guardians, Engineers, Elementalists and Necros going to ‘play by the rules’ and have LoS, dodge and blind stop their summons?

Perhaps when their summons are changed from UTILITIES to WEAPON skills and have their cooldowns cut to 1/4th of current ones?

Jason Segel.2908:

Necromancer has to spend 60 points to get +300 precision and 30% more crit damage. Thiefs/warriors/mesmers spent 30 points. Very odd and there are other things that make no sense that happen across minor traits/major traits and structures of trait lines in general.

Warrior also has to spend 60 points.
Trees are:
- Precision + Condi Dmg
- Crit Dmg + Burst Skill Dmg (completely useless stat)

Well, the rank cap won’t be raised in forseeable future, reaching high ranks was supposed to take a lot of time.

I already got all the armor skins I wanted for my Warrior, and other classes don’t really matter to me, So I got no reason to grind glory anymore. Stopped around r40 and slowly made my way to r44 over last month and a half.
My friend is farming his kitten off and getting close to r58 now. Nothing better to do I guess.

SAtaarcoeny.8476:

i bet by end of january we get everything we need to go Esport. now we just need to start making teams.

My, you’re optimistic one, aren’t you? Well I’ld love to, sadly, no serious team wants to use Warriors. I guess I’m out until something changes. And I bet it’s gonna be quite a long wait.

Please, forgive my doom and gloom, but my optimism and faith in Anet just ran out.