Guild Wars 2

Kross.6428:

Since my original thread got merged, I wanted to respond to some of the players that took the time to reply to my thread.

As an update, since my previous post, I have participated in another 4 runs. No luck yet.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Well I find it highly unlikely that you’ve done “dozens” of VW events. I know it can feel that way, but you’ve probably only done 8-10.

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Finally, keep at it. Remember, SW is one of the best gold farms in the game right now. Think of it as getting lots of mats for ascended armor, or legendary weapons, or just plain gold for skins. The coat boxes will come eventually.

I stopped counting after 30 successful runs… trust me, I know that I have done more than 8 runs.

As for the latter comment, the decent supply of gold and the fun gameplay is what keeps me going to the Silverwastes. I am merely frustrated at people who seem to get rewarded every single time (like that ignorant jerk that posted a picture of his 44 boxes and said I wasn’t trying hard enough), while I am struggling just to find a single one. I don’t doubt the boxes will come. It is simply a matter of when..?

apocalyps.7106:

do the story which award the coat box on another character , that’s how i completed the set, doing the story again , some story’s give the boxes on another char, some don’t , check the wiki, it tells you which

DID YOU PEOPLE DIDN’T KNOW THAT?

(didn’t read all the wall of text above)

Maybe you should read the “wall of text” before replying so then you know what I am talking about. At this time, the Coat Box is EXCLUSIVELY available from defeating the Vinewrath. I have no problem earning the pieces that are rewarded from Story Mode, because that is what I did for the other pieces. Maybe you should check the wiki and get your facts straight.

Ashen.2907:

I honestly assumed that the coat box drop was common. Ive gotten one in every time I do the event. I’ve been salvaging them.

Hope your luck turns around OP.

Thanks Ashen. I appreciate the encouragement. My fingers are crossed Krossed! (^_^)

Keep it up, Kross. I had to do 55 successful runs to get the coat boxes. 1 on the 35th and the last one on the 55th. Obviously there are people who are lucky and like to brag about it and say “Nanynanynany.” And people who have no clue that the coat box only comes from the vine event after the breach. But the RNG sucks on this.

All I can say to those braggarts who post here or in map chat about how incredible their luck is on the coat boxes is – I’ll match my 5 precursor drops(3 from the forge) to your coat boxes any day. At least my RNG on that is awesome.(Took 3000 hours of play to get the first one.)

We have asked ANeT to make them available via the vendor. No response.

RNG broken: Yes. If it weren’t then I wouldn’t need 55 tries at the event to get a lousy 2 coat boxes. That alone shows the RNG is not working. And others have the same issue, thus I’m not alone in my justified observation that the RNG is broken.

The problem is you’re making the assumption that the RNG is10%. Very kittenumption. If ANeT stated it were, this would be a moot argument.

Gudy.3607:

Heibi.4251:

Then the dice are weighted here. 55 times to get 2 coat boxes? In sheer odds at any casino I should have gotten at least 1 coat box by the 15th try. Even in a casino you get a win when the odds are 10%. Many players have experienced the exact same issue with this event. And then you had players get an extra one the first try, then completed it before trying the vine event even 10 times. Many just after 3 tries.

I’m not going to repeat my post, but I’ll link it here for your, and everyone else’s, edification.

TL;DR: Assuming a 10% drop chance, a 50-chest dry run is about half as likely as getting the two coat boxes in your first two successful Vinewrath events and should affect on average around one in 200 players. You just happen to be one of those.

You know what they say about assuming….

And Bahlol’s post above yours shows that ANeT’s RNG needs to be fixed, as do many of the posts in this thread. I’m not saying that your randomness statement for the real world is wrong, it’s your statements about the coat box RNG that are wrong. It is broken. Has ANeT secretly told you what its RNG is for the event?

Bahlol.6125:

best place to get the coat is the chest at the end of Mordrem Vinewarth boss event, I got all 3 in just 4 runs to the boss, and so did many people in my guild took them about 4~6 runs only for the 2 pieces.

Proving yet again that ANeT’s RNG is messed up.

Then the dice are weighted here. 55 times to get 2 coat boxes? In sheer odds at any casino I should have gotten at least 1 coat box by the 15th try. Even in a casino you get a win when the odds are 10%. Many players have experienced the exact same issue with this event. And then you had players get an extra one the first try, then completed it before trying the vine event even 10 times. Many just after 3 tries.

As an experiment I rolled a 10 sided dice 55 times. I got 5 10’s(i.e. coat boxes). A mere 9%. Now if the RNG worked like this I would have been done real quick. I actually got 1 on the first 10 rolls(3rd actual roll of the dice) and 1 on the second 10 rolls(on the actual 14th roll). Therefore ANeT’s RNG is truly screwed up.

The issue here is ANeT’s ridiculous RNG. It is clearly not a 10% chance. Especially when folks are getting it multiple times after completing the set. All the while people like myself were going again and again receiving nothing. That means the RNG is not as cut and dry as you are trying to make it out to be. And ANeT sure as kitten ain’t going to tell us what the real chance is since it is so screwed up in this case.

If it were a flat 10% I would have had all my coats by the 20th try. Therefore the 10% is a fallacy, in not just my case but in 100’s or even 1000’s of cases. It’s the RNG driving this, not percentages. And the RNG is broken.
As for Confirmation Bias, one man’s truth cannot be over come by someone simply saying “You were just unlucky”. Obviously there are those of us who got screwed by the RNG. And it is true, those who have it done have been getting the coat box far more often than those of us who don’t/didn’t. Whether it took 35, 55 or more to finish, we can say that the straight percentage does not hold up. It actually took 35 for my actual first drop of the coat box(not including the auto one). That’s 2.8%. And 20 tries later the drop rate was 5%, if you leave out the previous drop and start the count over. Far from a simple 10%.

But remember, the drop rate tends to increase after you get the final one. I remember constantly seeing posts in map chat of folks who have it done but keep getting them. Therefore the drop rate is skewed in favor of those that have completed the achievement. I’d agree on the drop rate if it was more evenly distributed among all players – those that need the actual drop and those that don’t.

GoddessOfTheWinds.2937:

Hahaha. People make me laugh. The first piece I finished was the chest piece. I got 3 coat boxes in about 15 runs… The first one is a guaranteed drop, the others have a 10-20% chance to drop. It’s not hard at all. If you enjoy Silverwastes, you will drop it in due time. If you can’t put your time to drop it, then maybe you don’t deserves it. Go say that to those who can’t loot a random Fractal Weapon after 100 runs. Your chances are very high to drop a specific piece. Don’t cry.

I still have 6 pieces to farm (2 boots, 2 leggings, 2 shoulders). Am I crying on the forum? No. What should I do? Continue to farm. Why? Because I like it and there are very good drops in the map.

Your percentages are incorrect. It took 55 runs to get the last 2 coat boxes for me. That’s 3.6% for me(2 / 55 = 0.036). Others have had varying success. And your condescending attitude towards those having a hard time is unacceptable. The RNG of this event is ridiculous. Some get luck in 3 runs. One of my guildies got 2 on the first run alone and 1 more 6 runs later. The other pieces can also be had at the vendor, unlike the coat pieces.

The problem is that those who are done seem to have the coat box drop more often. So take your smug, in your face attitude somewhere else.

vanRijn.6348:

Yeah, okay, screw this. I’m done. I’ve run many many hours in Silverwastes. I have all of the luminescent armor skins except for chest/coat. I’ve run Vinewrath at least 25 times and I have only gotten a single carapace coat/chest box. No other way to get it except running Vinewrath. So screw this. It’s literally the only thing I have left in the entire luminescent collection. What’s the thinking here… that I’ll just keep coming back and helping SW if you keep me from getting what I’m working for? Okay, well, nice try. I’m done with SW until you let me buy the carapace coat box from the vendor. Or don’t. I no longer care. Too kittened off to run SW anymore.

Apparently that might be the case. After a while it’s obvious they stopped reading this thread. It took me 55 vine events to get the last coat box. I haven’t done the event since. I refuse to spend my time there now. Had it only taken maybe 15-20 times to complete this I probably would have kept doing it.

ANET, seriously, make this available from the vendor now. Make it unlock with the first time you defeat the vine event. You’ve had your fun at frustrating multitudes of players. You can sit back and laugh at them as you make it available from the vendor after 3 weeks.

But, alas, this will fall on deaf ears.

The RNG gods finally smiled on me after 55 vine events. I received my final coat box today after 55 successful events, multiple disconnects(code 7), and zone failures and was able to finally put SW behind me.

ANeT, your goal of dissuading me from going to SW was successful. I have no real intention of returning there without a good reason. The fun was taken out of it due to an unnecessary grind of your making. I was willing to try for 2 weeks without purchasing the box from the vendor. I saved up my crests, believing you would save me from the grind by making a sane decision to make the coat box available just like ALL the other pieces. But no, you chose to leave it to RNG.

I was able to continuously read of all the “Wow, I just got my Xth coat box” posts in map chat, and hear it from my guildies who finished over a week ago, while I diligently did all the events prior to the breach that I could with no luck at the end of the vine event.

So, ANET, be proud of your foresight of trying to make a grind out of a coat box that drops like water from a thunderstorm to those who don’t need it. And that you have one player unwilling to continue the grind you created because they have finally been granted a reprieve by the RNG gods.

Now on to WvW and PVE events I can enjoy without worrying about the need of a RNG specific item’s drop. I can create my own type of grind that I can enjoy without the RNG gods being present.

42 vine events – still awaiting the final coat box. Got my second after 35 events. And there are people there who are done getting it left and right. ANET fix the RNG. It’s obvious that the coat box isn’t rare. So either up the drop rate or make it available from the vendor.

Arkinos.7245:

The drop rate for the Coat box actually seems very high. I did 7 or 8 Vinewraiths overall and I got 4 Coat boxes (including the achievement one)

It’s RNG. You say it’s high, but many would disagree with you out of sheer experience. 35 times and only 1 has dropped from the chest. So, lucky you…now move along and let the rest of get our drop please.

Sounds like so many other events all around GW2. Megadestroyer is very similar. 50 people all stand at the WP while a few other people do the pre-events. I’ve had it where I’m the only one doing a pre there. Or I get up there and no one is even doing it. Basically I put the players in the category of lazy bums(can’t truly call them what I want to on this forum). Luckily my guildies and I have a get it done attitude and try to do all the pre-events.

I have an idea ANeT could use – the more pre-events you do the bigger your reward. Like how about only rares if you accomplish “x” number of pre-events. If you do no pre-events it’s all blues.

Nilkemia.8507:

There was no reason to gate the chest pieces behind that annoying world boss when all the others could be gotten at least two ways each, and could be gotten without relying on an entire map and RNG.

I could see maybe having the vine event be the unlock to being able to purchase the remaining 2 coat boxes, but no, this RNG hell grind is ridiculous. I finally got 1 coat box to drop after 31 successes. There were also 4 failed tries as well. Meanwhile those who have it done get coat boxes enough to send them as Christmas gifts, if that were allowed.

And in your latest update you didn’t make the coat box available from the vendor. 30 times I have done the vine event and the remaining 2 coat boxes will NOT DROP!!!!! Give me kittening break!!!!

Thanks for nothing!

CureForLiving.5360:

Yeah, they’re going to have to do something to keep us entertained… otherwise I see a bit dip in the player base until the expansion hits.

They’ll hold gladiator games. Bread and circuses.

Just had two people get the coat box 3 time and 4 times in a row. They were already done of course before that streak. Fix the RNG of this event. Those who have it done should have their RNG turned so low on another coat box and those who don’ t have it done have theirs boosted.

Just did 6 more vines today – ZERO coat boxes. So I’ve done it about 20+ times now and only received the automatic one. Oh, and zero kidney today as well. So. like people say, the ones that don’t need them get them like a waterfall, while the rest are getting ZERO. Thanks, RNG.

The worst part is seeing someone type, “That’s my 8th coat box” while you’re still waiting for the 1st one(not including the automatic one). I have yet to see a coat box drop for me after at least ten tries/successes on the vine event. At least with the kidney agony I get a part drop no matter what, even if it isn’t what I’m looking for. Not saying I want 10 glove boxes – had too many of those from the nightmare chest.

I love the vine event – just hate the way the coat boxes don’t drop more evenly to players who actually need them. A guild friend of mine says that after he got 2 on his first go(auto one included) and got the last one he needed shortly thereafter, he’s gotten even more, more frequently. Please, ANeT, let the drop happen for those who need it before giving out more to those who don’t need and mostly don’t want it.

Received this one today. Good thing ANeT uses the official symbol. Looks nice and official sounding.

Command Mastery: For 1500 pts you grant a 10% health bonus to those around you when you command. Still have to figure out the result of multiple commanders in the same zerg with the trait. The range could be like those areas that Siegerazor asks you to defend. And overlapping ranges must be made to not add to each other.

Tag Master: The ability to have more colors than the ones offered. Add Orange, Checkered, Striped. Make it cost a lot of rank points.

Add another rank to the treb mastery: Add the shield bubble for 100-150 pts or something like that.

A couple more ideas:

Repair Master Boost: Add to the end of repair master. 100pts Use 25% less supplies to repair doors. 150pts Use 25% less supplies to repair walls. 200pts can repair cannons and burning oil.

Siege Repair Master: The ability to repair damaged siege. 1 bar per type of siege. AC Repair: 50pts Balista: 75pts Catapult: 100pts Trebuchet: 150pts Alpha Golem: 200pts Omega Golem: 300pts

Upgrade Mastery: 5 ranks to make it ever cheaper to upgrade cams, towers, keeps and SMC.

I wouldn’t mind the timer staying as is as long as we remove the “scouting” ability of fully dead players. If you “Map” their view so they can’t see what’s going on around them the desire to sit there and give reports to their allies becomes pointless. “Dead men tell no tales.” Now if they are simply awaiting a thief or mesmer to raise them fine, but they won’t be able to tell anyone about the status of forces inside a particular structure.

Another idea from a friend of mine:
WVW Supply Deposit: The ability to deposit supply into a keep or tower. Make it expensive. Maybe add it onto the end of Supply Mastery for 150 pts.

WvW Finisher Mastery: Brand new ones only available in WvW. Tier them just like in PVP using WvW points. Use the same ones that PVP if you want or create brand new WvW ones.

WvW Turning Siege Mastery: Turning siege faster(Mortars, Trebs, Catas) 5 lvls up to 25%
Possibly add the above to the end of current siege mastery
WvW Siege Thief: Ability to commandeer Siege 5 Lvls(Make it very expensive)

Nice ideas xDudisx.

Rangerdeity.5847:

so essentially you want not only mobile rams (golems) but you want a mobile army of siege? why not mobile AC while we are at it just to round things out so as a zerg rolls thru camps they can eventually get a piece of mobile siege for every single player

Or you could link them in to the guild siege like the golem. Once you pull it you have to use it. Limits the numbers.

Also, put them in perma map view mode until they are either rezzed or port.

HtFde.3856:

Heibi.4251:

I admit I was skeptical about this, but after 2 of us capped 2 towers and several camps without being descended upon by 30 people to stop us, I find it interesting and useful.

You can do that in EotM … oh, lemme guess … the vet NPCs are too strong there … so, of course, bring it to borderlands …

I understand that you might feel good about doing two towers with just two people – I find this … ridiculous. If there was any newer version of DaoC I’d be over there in seconds – 2 people against downright stupid NPC API … hell, one of those troll perma stealth thieves can cap Stonemist …

With the introduction of all those nice runes and ascended armor + infusion GW 2 has pretty much turned into Gear Wars 2 and made pay to win quite possible. Many casual players cannot afford the horrendous prices for buff food and the “best” runes – especially if you’re after condition based builds and can’t even CRAFT dire or rabid.

So you have to buy those … great game design …

It’s unbelievable how far GW 2 has moved away from GW 1 where all money could get you was skins and you could get the same gear with the same stats and then see who’s better at using them.

It’s telling something when my sPvP guardian does just fine but get’s insta wiped in WvW … what’s the difference? Gear + buff food I cannot afford …

Edit: Got a tad distracted there … so we have Gear Wars already in place, we have latency wars (today was a very bad day with 2 -3 second delays in between skill activation), we’ve got population wars (because hardly any setup is balanced) and now we’re making the population war thing juuuust a bit more painful because we give (not intentionally, maybe) the server with the bgger population even more advantage … yay.

Though, of course, you skipped everything else I said. I’m still not sold on the no swords bit yet.

Aye. Good idea.

Yes, more ideas. Keep them coming.

aka – more use of those unused points. Has nothing to do with karma trains and more to do with trying to change things up and make them more interesting. Once someone reaches a certain rank all those points start to be gained for nothing. I have a friend who just made platinum rank, all those points are useless to him. And this isn’t a discussion about ktrains – it’s about trying to find a use for the points gained after a certain rank.

Having reached the stage where I have 89 unusable rank points I came up with a couple siege ideas that might take care of that. I’m sure some people have thought of this. There is already some mobile style siege in EoTM.

1. Mobile treb: Using the old GW1 siege devourer as the platform for this. It is a piece of siege that has the range of a cata but does the damage of a treb. No cows. You can do standard and superior versions as well. It moves at the speed of an omega golem. No water movement, except shallow water players can run through. For the attacks, standard rock shot and fiery rock shot that causes burning damage in the area of impact. Takes 150(standard) and 200(superior) supply to build.

2. Mobile ballista: Using the tanks from the story arc in Malchor’s Leap. Make them a form of mobile ballistas(superior and standard). Have them move at the speed slightly faster than the omega. No water movement, except shallow water players can run through. For the ballista attacks, use the same type of attacks, but the player must turn and face a certain arc to fire(it won’t automatically turn). Takes 80(standard) and 120(superior) supply to build.

As for ranking them up with points you can use the golem mastery style with a few changes.

Anyway, that’s what a friend and I came up with for using points as well as having new siege to play with.

I admit I was skeptical about this, but after 2 of us capped 2 towers and several camps without being descended upon by 30 people to stop us, I find it interesting and useful. Though the issue of not having enough scouts to cover all our BL properties, plus any we acquire, is still an issue. The swords were our only scouts most of the time. We might not have made it to stop the tower/keep/camp from turning, but we at least had a chance to respond. At least the WP warning is still there. Anyway, we’ll see if I still like this somewhat when the trial ends.

Yes, ANeT, this is ridiculous. We have to get 2 drops each boss for bladders and 1 each for spleens. I wouldn’t have minded 1 each for bladders since we were working on 2 armor skins, but please, we need less grinding not more. There is a large amount of time spent in between each breach – REAL TIME. I like playing GW2 a lot, but this is a stupid requirement imposed on us.

Thanks, I’ll give it a try

There is a new POI added to the Silverwastes just south of Blue Oasis. It is underground and I can’t figure out how to get to it. I did the JP but that didn’t take me near the POI. Anyone know how to reach it? Thanks.

Except for the fang drop rate, non-existent for me after 9 boss runs, I like the new content. Love the labyrinth in between Pact actions(You can get he glove box from the Grand Nightmare Chest, btw – I’ve gotten 2)
A few improvements:
1. Terragriffs – lower the spam rate that they can do their charging attack.
2. Mordrem wolves – need to be only 2 times faster than players not 5 times faster.
3. Leechers – shouldn’t be able to target through walls when they have absolutely no way to see you.
4. Up the drop rate of fangs.

Same problem. Fought 9 bosses half the time using the old extractor and then the new one. Haven’t gotten one fang. This is ridiculous.

I think they should actually add another server to the mix. 4 servers instead of 3. That would make things interesting.

Different match-ups are not the same as facerolling match-ups. Had the spread been closer between the servers it wouldn’t have been the same. But 9 vs 14 and 15 is ridiculous. As well as the other two match-ups. Variety vs stupid match-ups is what this is about.

Yet again ANeT you have made another facerolling, karma training, one server dominating week for the silver league servers. I mean come on 7/11/13, 8/10/12, and 9/14/15. You can already see the results starting to come forth in the scoring.

On our server it started out good, but then the beast woke up and the hordes arrived. I’m sure the higher ranked server in these match-ups hates this just as much as we do.

I started on HOD and have never left. The community is great. We never give up, even when heavily outnumbered. So if your server isn’t fulfilling your needs, please join us.

Overall, Ranger is not meant to be front line, but you can dabble in it. This is what I currently run in both PVE and WvW. I do a slight skill mod in PVE, but otherwise it is identical. I can survuve in the front line of the zerg for quite a while. Though I tend to charge in using Signet of the Wild stability and the Signet of Stone for no damage on engagement, while dropping entangle. I stay in for a bit using the Maul and such, then dodge out to the edge of the fight and long bow everything. I rinse repeat this during long zerg fights.

My build is in the middle of Berserker and PVT.
Here is my build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fNAQJATRjMqUxaDLGsQ1ag+ga9CEAjdzWIHYOBfwJf6LvA-T1TAABxohoo9HkRDyaKBn4ABgpKFVcJAG4BAAwBIIMlEcpMJT1VSTp0DHBg+0FEAABYnzMbuzADdoDdoDdod0de0duzhWGAmFA-w

Hey, at least the Halloween events will be starting so we can ignore WvW being handed over to the bigger servers. And then we can ignore it even more on Nov 4. WvW will become a terrible place to be with the proposed change in the white swords. The smaller servers might try to take advantage of it, but the larger severs WILL find/pay someone to stay in a tower or keep. Here comes the karma train Trick-or-Keep.

John Corpening.9847:

• Defender Outnumbered = No Delay Before White Swords
• Attacker Outnumbered = No White Swords.
• No Outnumbered Buffs = White Swords with existing delay

This would allow ninja attacks against superior forces that have the numbers to scout but also help outnumbered servers defend their stuff from much larger forces.

It would also allow superior forces to coordinate to have minimal forces go in and figure out the outnumber buff. Then, after making sure they keep outnumbered, knock down the walls, open all the gates or whatever, before calling in the horde to take everything quickly without swords popping until the very last second. Imagine 5 players using catas on 5 different targets. Right as they knock down the wall to inner bay, hills and 3 towers they call in the zerg. The zerg splits into 5 groups and they take all five targets within seconds. I can only imagine seeing 2 keeps and 3 towers all changing color simultaneously.

The swords idea(not yours specifically) altogether is bad, very bad.