You need feedback on the build for the contest? When we make suggestions you change the build to match our suggestions? I am sorry how is doing that over and over again make this “your build” that you would be able to submit at all? All these suggests that you are “taking to heart” and changing the build up for kind of makes it a collaboration build does it not?
Usually (and I am talking about the past builds that have definite “owners” or at least the people who posted them) have all been tested and I mean EXTENSIVELY. Not your definition of extensive I mean a month of work on it. Then they post it and then if they find s suggestion that is worth it they may change one MAYBE two things. You are on the other hand with the last three builds have totally reworked pretty much the whole build every time/ several times. So how exactly can you logically lay claim to the build to put it in the contest?
Menace you ask for feedback but you already say that you have tested extensively. If you had tested extensively like you said then all of pyros feedback (which by the way is directly inline with what I said) wouldn’t be feedback that you would be thankful for because you would have figured it all out already.
Your blatant lying on top of the fact that after you “apologize” you go right back to doing the thing that you apologized for shows just how either you don’t really mean it or how totally immature you are. You are young so the immature thing is reasonable but we have explained how to say things better. Heck English is a second language for me and I can write better than you. (English may be your second as well, not sure.) How could you have tested this build extensively when just a day ago you were testing that kitted awful other PU build you tried to shuve down our throats.
I have noticed you left the necros forums please leave our and move onto another class so someone else has to deal with you. Or better yet stop all together as pyro has suggested. Anyway I am going to be flying to America and wont be able to respond anymore which is kind of a blessing for me cause I wont be able to see anymore of your train wrecks.
OK. I will be the first and I promise you it will be my only post.
How does this counter condition builds exactly?
You have under 16k health. I will eat that away in a few seconds.
Going into stealth on Mesmer doesn’t cleans conditions so all my conditions are going to tick on you while you are in stealth.
Protection doesn’t affect conditions on you.
Your Aegis my save you from one attack say from my staff but if will not save you from anything else.
Most of my and necros condition applying is not reflectable or blockable. For example: torment on block is not reflectable. You can reflect a few seconds of Winds of Chaos, thats nice I have another round coming from myself and my clones to eat you up. Necros marks can be traited to be unblockable and they are unreflecable. Scepter2 is unreflectable. Condition on weapon swap sigils are not reflectable sept fo the a few of them that put the condition on your next attack. Distortion isn’t going to last long enough to save you from the conditions I have on you.
You will not be able to avoid getting any and all conditions on you even if you have the mobility and skill lvl of Osicat. Most condition heavy builds are made to stack the conditions and then survive. Simply put: you have yet again drastically overstated and overestimated yet another theory craft that you claim to be amazing.
The condition heavy meta right now is rather difficult for a Mesmer to handle with out being a superior better player or investing heavily in our condition cleanses. Also with the increase in portal CD and the decrease in illusions health along with tampering with some of our traits has seen a significant decrease in Mesmers on competitive play and on higher ranking teams. I think i read somewhere that the Pax teams didn’t have a single Mesmer at all.
1v1 I have probably a 98% win rate(guessed but I lose very very infrequently) and I would assume your second build would be the same. Though the builds do take a bit of time to kill. The original poster of the build I posted admits that it is a troll build to really annoy people. It is also great 1v3 above 3 and my win percentage goes down significantly. That being said both builds have no “real” burst but with the one I posted hitting them with a Scepter 2, then hitting prestige and running at them in stealth with the block up so they foolishly activate the torment and then switching to staff for the bleed on switch and throwing down a Chaos Storm is a rather lot of conditions that are easy to get all off. Average player will usually panic with that many conditions so fast and you can take advantage of their panic.
Yeah Most people that play GW2 play it because they don’t like the Holy Trinity of MMOs so the build never really got popular outside of my Guild so it doesn’t see much light of day. But since the PU update I have been running it and love the play style. ^^ Now that FFXIV is back out I have a real Healer class to play though so my GW2 time will gradually fade away I think.
Updated after the new stat changes. The major changes are the two major water runes now get you two travelers runes for 15% boon duration (yummy) and you can do away with those lack luster Snow Gems on your trinkets. This increases the healing power as well as your condition damage. This update was awesome for this build. ^^
Most people think that when you have a PU trait, you have to have tons of stealth skills, so they invest all their slots with unnecessary amount of stealth skills. If you are truly to maximize the potential of the extra 1 second stealth, you must first have a skill that you are able to use in that additional stealth time, to do that, I went with mantras and traited for extra healing when activating a mantra.
You can say how good your build is but calling out other PU builds that use massive stealth and saying they are unnecessary is over stepping it. The PU build I have uses all the stealths just fine thank you. As well as other PU builds that are out there are are tried and tested by a pretty massive amount of skilled mesmers. Also, there is more to being in stealth than just being in stealth. You mannuver yourself, you spawn your phantasms.
If you are truly to maximize the potential of the extra 1 second stealth, you must first have a skill that you are able to use in that additional stealth time, to do that, I went with mantras and traited for extra healing when activating a mantra.
This may just be you yet again messing up your terminology but the mantra trait heals upon that charge not that activation.
This is my last bump on your ridiculous build posts. You clearly have no idea what you are doing and you don’t listen to anyone and just say we are attacking you when “feedback” works both positive and negatively.
Last bit of advice like I said above, talk up your own build but you need to stop attacking other builds which you do here and have done in the past by saying they are ineffective or lack something that you build has miraculously compensated for. Most of your accusations have been wrong by the way.
Yes. But you are focusing too much on the downside. It helps if you play my build and you will realize it can kill anyone, no matter how much defense or condition damage they have.
This just proves that you don’t listen to anyone. You can not make claims like this before you properly test a build. A few posts after you said this you also said “I just thought of this”. I know ALL of my post are always ragging on you. This build is by far the closest you have come to making a viable build. I am just trying to get you to realize that you simply cannot make claims like this like you have ALWAYS done right off the bat.
We don’t have to bump your thread, you self bump enough for everyone. ^^
Also, “This build is still at an early stage” and “polished version” are contradictory statements. I did see the new build and it is still not worth much.
If it doesn’t reach full potential in PvP, why did you even bother posting a PvP version? I just see it as you yet again making excuses instead of accepting that you made a poor build.
So the only thing that video showed us is that indeed his build is worthless yet he still blames everything but the build, from the map, to Pyro’s build he using, to the simply fact that pyro used dazes and he didn’t like it.
He didn’t stick with the build he posted he switched up. He didn’t just accept that Pyro was a better player but that Pyros build is OP.
Look we know Menace is young cause he stated it sometime back but this is simply ridiculous to defend anyone who acts like he does.
Shatter, specifically Osi’s Mist build which I also run takes a lot of player skill. The build is amazing but only in the hands of a master. Osicat makes it look simple but it really is simply a rough play style that has massive rewards but also you earn those rewards through raw skill, of which I seem to lack shatter build skill but it is still fun. ^^
3g that he eventually gives up on Mesmer like he eventually did with Necro and switches to Ele since he said earlier somewhere that he used Ele in PvP to get gear faster.
I am the first person to ever go into both modes and to utilize my traits and everything else around it.
You are the first because it is a bad idea. You worry more about build ownership than about having a good build. Fine. I acknowledge that this is your own personal build and that you are the maker/owner of it. Enjoy it cause no one else will use it.
PS : No one cares about the PvP version so just stop self bumping your threads like you have ALWAYS done.
Just tested it in the Mists. 100% put Torment on the target. It was a controlled test. So I guess that Thief had the condition cleans while in stealth even though I just can’t believe how luck she was getting. Maybe they did make Torment rather high priority even more so than confusion.
What buttons would they be on if they gave you more control? You already have an attack, a heel, your special ability and then the swap on F1-4. Nothing in the game uses F5 or further if I am not mistaken. How would they implement more control besides giving you more buttons to use?
Comparing to Ele swapping is totally apples and oranges though as the swap changes the the eles 1-5 buttons not the F buttons. If you take control of the pet maybe temp lose your current weapon skills? That might be doable but would you even want that?
Totally meant Torment sorry, was reading necro forums earlier.
I run a condition build though and rarely have only one condition on them at a time. Is Terror even higher priority for removal than Confusion? Either way I really want a Thief friend to test this with. ^^
I understand our phantasms not revealing us. The act of summoning isn’t really an “attack” then the attack of the phantasm itself isn’t actually coming from us.
Really my main issue/question was if I was going crazy or something that my torment was never applying on her when I blocked her when she was in stealth.
(Even though I think a block should totally reveal you.)
I had never noticed this honestly because well I let most my stealth run their whole course to make sure I am getting all my loverly boons from PU.
However, last night ran into one of those D/P spam dark field and heartseeker through it “ahahhah I can stealth A LOT” thief and noticed something. Honestly, after a year of the game this was the first time I had personally ran into one of these guys and wow annoying. Don’t really find the dark field spam the OP part.
The OP part was that one of my fav ways to deal with stealthers is to Chaos Field on myself. Well it just so happened that I had an Aegis on and that blocked her first attack then Chaos Field granted me an immediate new one and that blocked her second and then I blocked her third with my scepter. She never got revealed once.
Has it always been like this? I mean if you block something you know where it is coming from. Yes I am QQn a bit but seriously? I blocked three attacks in a row and then she had to restealth from just falling out of it naturally.
Another reason I am QQn a bit is it seemed that when I blocked her in stealth and then it didn’t reveal her but then she hit me immediately after to reveal herself she never once had Torment on. I know thieves have cure conditions while in stealth but it has a CD of 3s or so ya? I mean she never once had it like I wasn’t applying it while she was in stealth. Am I going crazy?
Because the general populace likes rewards more than a challenge thus zerging is great. I can’t even partake in the events cause my 2010 gaming laptop over heats even with a cooling fan tray and an extra fan blowing on it in a 23c room.
Ok all my illusions all do the exact same attack animation where they swing the weapons of there heads in a downward chop even my iWarden who should be raving to some sick beats just swings both axes over head.
Scarlet is clearly an Asuran who drank something and did something to make themselves into a Sylvari because I don’t believe Anet would break the Lore of Asurans NEVER admitting another race is even on par with us to even give her the chance to join a single college let alone ALL THREE. And don’t try to say exceptions can happen. I have played every single Asuran story mission there is (all my characters are Asurans) and everything leads to us being stupidly egotistical and thinking we are above all other races. THIS WOULD NOT HAPPEN!!!!!!!
Who let some walking fire wood into our colleges? Seriously what? I don’t care how “genius” someone is no Asuran would ever admit to another race being even on par with us. Good job at breaking the lore Anet.
@Osicat: I have found that cleansing Thieves have actually decreased recently. Have not personally fought one solo with the build yet but I have a feeling it would be a stalemate. I can indeed take down condition necros though it does take a bit of time. The major point of this build is staying power. In fights of 1v# (I can take 3 pretty well add a fourth and I usually stalemate unless they have a few weaker players to pick off) this build works really well with taking the weak out first and then it can focus more. I would say that is the best part of this build is its group management and ability to almost ignore the rest of the group to take them out one by one while still doing conditions and pressure on the others as a side effect. I for sure don’t think it is the end all be all of condition builds but it plays well and is incredibly fun to play.
@Skcamow: Thanks. ^^ Almost forgot about that list ahahah ^^
@Overlord: Really sorry for derailing your thread. ><
@Osicat: I do not have a good enough computer to do videos of that build in action but I can say that I never “hug” my phantasms. I stay active and move around as much as I do when I am running your Shattercat Mist build. Because the phantasms give regen in pulses you don’t have to hug them because with your boon duration the regen stays on plenty long. I can no longer find Viconi’s(sp) thread for the build but in his vid he has constant regen thanks to everything all together and he constantly moves. Also, because it is a condition build that doesn’t utilize Dueling the precision from say Rabid gear is worthless. ^^ It really is a fun build promise. ^^
@Osicat: I thought the exact same thing when I first saw the build but the constant regen from my stationary phantasms really does boost my survivability. Plus the regen from PU. I have been using this build for about 2 months now and have zero bad things to say about it other than if the enemy runs I have a bit of a rough time catching them. I don’t really use this build in groups very much since it is a very selfish build. PS: the original build called for all Apoth Gear.
This is Virconi’s(sp) Stealth Condition Roaming build where I switched out some of the apothecary gear for Shamam’s and I routinely take out 1v3. I am sorry if you were looking for a rabid build and this is pointless for you but if you want condition and survivability this build and my gear is amazing.
I am liking the stealth attack idea. Maybe rename it iJoker/iJester and have it breath fire or maybe drop a bomb then jump away with a little hysterical laugh. ^^ But I really do love my traited condition removal on bounces from the iMage is it is a toss up if I want to see it changed that much.
It is a better, more versatile Mesmer build than any of the other types of shatter builds that are out there in my opinion.
Once again I will explain this to you since you still don’t seem to realize why people jump down your throat. Statements like this just show how arrogant you are. People do not like arrogance. Saying “in your opinion” at the end doesn’t make it less arrogant.
This is so wrong. Staff#4 got a bit of nerf with no on demand protection but Chaos Armor as a whole got a buff cause it never before gave protection on being struck.(well it did in the beta but they switched it and now they switched it back) Now it does. Chaos Armor from finishers saw a HUGE buff.
Only Staff#4 gave protection before this buff to chaos armor. Blast finished armors would only get regen or swiftness when struck. ^^
Correct me if I am wrong, but the internal cool down that was applied to Staff4 also applies to the Chaos armour from combos.
True. But personally I still like the protection the way it is even with the ICD.
Not sure why you’d want to use a blast finisher in an ethereal field though. Chaos Armour is terrible since the recent nerf. In fact when I see someone else blast finish my ethereal fields, I cringe, because they just wasted a blast finisher in the wrong combo field.
This is so wrong. Staff#4 got a bit of nerf with no on demand protection but Chaos Armor as a whole got a buff cause it never before gave protection on being struck.(well it did in the beta but they switched it and now they switched it back) Now it does. Chaos Armor from finishers saw a HUGE buff.
Only Staff#4 gave protection before this buff to chaos armor. Blast finished armors would only get regen or swiftness when struck. ^^
Unless they fixed the blast finisher on the Prestige you actually have to be within the field for the whole of the ability. So from stealthing till you see the fire. This could be changed by now since I am hoping it was a bug. We do not have water fields for healing blast finishers. We have Light and Ethereal fields.
I have festivals and dance perfomances all week so I can not come show you that you have the arrogance but none of it is gained. You are already claiming it is better than any of the REAL Shattercat build. You have to be kidding me? PLEASE someone get Osicat on ANY of his builds to own this child. (We now know he is a child cause he mentioned how his rents wouldn’t let me do something in the necro forums.) I am positive that most anyone else could beat you but I only think it fair that Osicat beats you since you are claiming to have a build that is far superior to his.
Also, just saying NOON doesn’t help anyone. You do know there are several time zones right? Well just in case you haven’t reached the grade where they teach you that there are. So you need to give Noon in what time zone so people know.
Again you need to stop switching around your numbers for Attack and Power. Attack is influenced by the weapon you have on but power isn’t. This is especially important for Necros to know the difference because DS skills are only affected by power. Your skills in DS are going to do the same amount of damage if you have your staff on or if you have your dagger on when going into DS.
Most people that play GW2 play it because they don’t like the Holy Trinity of MMOs so the build never really got popular outside of my Guild so it doesn’t see much light of day. But since the PU update I have been running it and love the play style. ^^ Now that FFXIV is back out I have a real Healer class to play though so my GW2 time will gradually fade away I think.