Guild Wars 2

Because I am bored at work cause the students have finals I am going to chime in. ^^

All this talk about skill level and that being a deciding factor in a build or not is kind of silly. Ease of use pretty much is what makes a good build. If build A can preform as well as build B and is easier to use then build A wins. If the voters find a build to require skill to be good that they simply do not posses than that build is effectively not affective.

Ease of use is pretty much how things like this should be voted for ya?

Alissah, his blue eye makeup isn’t makeup at all. It is the starting Necro mask. Make a new character and meld the look of the mask with the states of a non-soulbound white item and then you can move it to your bank and any character can use the look of it by just melind it to a piece of gear they are using.

I always find posts like this interesting. If you want to be so much like another class then why not just play that class? Differences make a game interesting.

Also, I think you are exaggerating other classes removal ability. 6-8 conditions instantly and repeatedly cannot be dealt with very well with any profession except a correctly traited and utility skilled Necro.

DeathReign.7821:

Hexxen.7216:

The board really seems about 50/50 on if you like this or not. Simply put it has given me yet another reason to just not play anymore. I was so looking forward to the various updates to give me a reason to play again too. O well. ^^

This might sound abrasive and I apologize if it does, but I don’t think that your being bored with the game has much to do with the effectiveness of whether the warden moves or not.

It sounds like a personal problem, and not one that you should really pin on the iWarden.

On top of being bored they are yet again killing one of my favorite skills. So yeah it gives me more reason not to play. ^^ ON top of being bored they are making the mesmer less awesome (in my opinion of course)

The board really seems about 50/50 on if you like this or not. Simply put it has given me yet another reason to just not play anymore. I was so looking forward to the various updates to give me a reason to play again too. O well. ^^

Reason I don’t like it and very much appreciated the old version is that ranged fighters kite you. Before you could place your Wardens and just stay in those locations thus you didn’t have to follow the ranger fighter and they could not kite you unless they wanted to just run away. Now we have to chase our wardens for the reflects thus the kiters can now kite us more easily.

Another issue with the moving to attack is iWarden was our BEST attack against innaniment objects like gates or turrets or sorts. Ever since they changed out illusions to switch to the nearist target (PC) if the original target goes stealth or something that drops target instead of just standing and waiting for them they will attack something else. It would seem that gates and such are not high enough priority even if they are the original targets and the wardens run after something else. Even without all the bugs the warden NOW has (it worked fine before, you know don’t fix what ain’t broke) they would have to rewrite the AI for the illusions AGAIN to make this not suck for taking out turrets and stuff and even if they attempt to do this you kitten well know they will f something else up in the process.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Um.. reason I think not much of warden in this state. It is not very useful in a situation in wvw where half the time your opponent is thinking of ways to kite and use his/her surroundings. Unless you have something like crippling dissipation equipped, i fail to see how you would make the most out of it. I love iwarden myself, especially if it is traited, but I think it could be a bit better than depending on like extra skills to make it’s attacks/reflects land and having another extra trait in another extra traitline to make it’s success somewhat better.

You are correct. They are indeed trying to kite you. DON’T LET THEM. They are always trying to use terrain, a stationary iWarden WAS terrain. You made your own terrain with him cause you could hide behind/in him.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Actually, it is false when you guys say that you have constantly appreciated iWarden in 1 vs 1. the only message i’m getting from this statement is the idea that you guys do too much of 1 vs 1 in tight pvp arenas. In WvW, there are usually more kiting than stayin still, so I fail to see how you would constantly duck behind a iWarden if you are trying to chase/defeat an enemy.

Actually, I don’t PvP at all and when I have I have done so on Necro. As stated already iWarden was fantastic for standing in. Reflects or untraited projectile destruction, melee might not run away form it but they would get hit while they try and attack you.

The Warden now moves with the enemy that is super. NOT. You are still going to have to immobilize someone to get a full swing worth of damage on someone but NOW we have to constantly move to use it as a reflective wall. Your idea of giving it immobilize as part of the attack is OP. This movement is nothing but a joke.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

but the thing is, around 80% of the time, people did not have those skills up, or were in a more dangerous situation and had to spend other skills instead of paying attention to it. that’s what a Phantasm is all about. It’s supposed to give a sense of relief to us because it does a lot of damage work for us, but if we have to go through like 5 skills to make one phantasm become useful, then there is no need for the warden to even deal out damage.

You and those 80% (I love when you pull numbers out of no where) just simply don’t know how to use iWarden then. We had a whole year to get used to him being the way he was and it worked if you knew what to do. Everything doesn’t have to work every time and in every situation. Trying to make everything so you can just do it and rely on it always makes the game idiot proof and require no skill.

Bring back old Warden. It did move if the enemy got a certain distance away from it to start with but this movement is silly.

They should have never tried to fix it in the first place. Please revert it back to the way it was.

Yeah. I rather dislike the idea of iWarden moving.

Dabilahro.8094:

I can attest to this builds effectiveness as i was duo’ing with my bud here taking on peeps in 3v1’s and some sweet 2v2’s

You were duoing and doing 3v1’s thus you out numbers the opponent and 2v2’s which is an even battle field. The 2v2 is one thing but the way you word it, it sounds like you think killing someone when you outnumber them proves something.

O thank the Anet lords. Didn’t think about it that much. When is this giant patch coming anyway? I haven’t played in about a month or more cause well the game is boring now. Need something to spice it up.

Seriously Anet?

ugh.

I hope they don’t focus so much on bleed and give us back some of our confusion damage. Focusing on bleeds just seems so “Necro”.

Alissah.9281:

Id like id swiftness took the place of regen, but there are people who actually use healing power just for that regen… So, its a bad idea :/.

I am use PU for the regen in my build so I am not unbiased but taking away the regen takes away a very strong counter to conditions that you have on you while you. Really for anything the regen will help with conditions and swiftness won’t really, at least with the ones that are already on you.

Yes, swiftness some how; hellz to the no giving it to PU.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Admit it. If I unintentianally made a build very similar to yours, you would go on saying it is a carbon-copy of your build.

No, actually we wouldn’t because Very Similar and Carbon-Copy have very different meanings. Still wondering how you are not calling yourself out for having the exact trait distribution as BW?

To the person who said swiftness in battle makes you faster and how is that useless? I admit being faster in battle lets you close gaps, potnetially being able to catch someone running away but adding swiftness to PU is pointless and an all around nerf because the current three buffs (depending on who you are talking to regen might not be included in this) are amazing defensively. Swiftness really lets you run away or potentially catch someone running from you. It will not save you from conditions it will not save you or help you when you take a hit like pro and aegis. Right now the three proc 33.33% of the time if you add in a fourth buff they all go down to 25% procrate and you will not get the MORE useful buffs that it already has. Also, I have never actually said to myself “Man I really want swiftness right now so that I can own this guy.” I have said “Boy if I had swiftness I could catch his scared butt and kill him.” but then I tell myself “O well he is a coward and running away so really I won anyway.”

NO!!! Swiftness is POINTLESS during a battle. If you add swiftness to PU then the other useful buffs will have a lower percentage chance of procing.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

Everything sounds awesome but I am still waiting for the day when they say “Hey guys sorry we really made Vengeful Retribution useless, we are sorry and are going to revert it back to its old 100% up time ways.”

I am positive you are probably one of the only people to think that menace. iWarden is amazing and I love that it stays stationary so I can keep it between the enemy and myself. iMage needs a bit of a damage boost but I love it when traited.

The nerf to vengeful images killed this build unfortunately. It hasn’t been viable for many moons. Which is sad cause I loved it and my favorite gear combination is on my set for it.

Having the staff hit people it goes through on top of the fact that it bounces would make it OP wither you think so or not. Group fights have everyone piled around together extremely close thus you would get full effect of the bounces and then the passing through people. That would be crazy strong.

It has been like this for a long LONG time now. Going invulnerable is a way to counter phantasms. Working as Intended.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Plus, if I happen to face another Mesmer with sword pistol like even Osicat’s condi cat build, My healing over time will greatly devastate them, along with the fact that I have multiple dodges.

You have 333 healing power. Your regen will be giving about ~172 hp/tick. This will not devastate any condition build. Don’t try to say you have tested this and I am wrong either. That is not enough regen to counter condition builds. It is probably impossible to even make the statement that regen can counter condition builds.

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Best weapon combo to counter ANY Builds with any traits, weapons, and gear combo.

Haven’t learned your lesson about making statements like this yet huh?

blutstein.2468:

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

to be fairly honest and frank Bunda, I have dueled Osicat’s condi cat builds and other MH sword stealth builds with GS and Scepter/Torch for over 3 months almost. I know how devastating they can be. There is just no stopping a MH sword build when paired up with stealth and other mobile utilities and weapons. Plus GS, Scepter/Torch sucks at 1 vs X, just don’t have the change of combat style to throw your opponent off. When you lose to the same type of builds against even noobs, that tells you that something is wrong with your build. I don’t really want to accept it, but it is what it is.

that is simply wrong, MH Sword can be avoided easily with bf being stationary and especially with the immobilize-clone pathing issues.

If you can’t fight with Sc/T – GS doesn’t mean it sucks or others are noobs. this is kind of an arrogant statement.

Can’t agree more.

1) Knowing you you are talking about a hybrid which will not have enough power to make retaliation worth anything.
2) I hate Mender’s Purity
3) Stealths don’t win matches skill does.
4) No idea I hate using crit.

If you get immobilized break out and move on. If you need breathing room stealth and run behind them. What I normally do is run away from them then stealth and run in the opposite direction. People always assume you will continue in the same direction and that gets me my breathing room I need. But I am lost on your question now. The sword is an immobilize with a potential semi strong BF coming your way if you actually get hit. Break the stun and walk away or stealth and get PU buffs and face tank it. You are now talking about Blink which though there is only one build I run where I do not have it set I am not sure what you are trying to figure out here.

Still unclear why you are always so worried about other Mesmers BUT I will actually answer part of your question for once.

Best way to counter the iLeap is to use terrain. Be higher or lower than the mesmer. That skill is still so glitchy it is silly. If you are in open field find a “slight” bump(s) to fight around and that will be enough to mess it up.

Scepter builds are mainly condition builds and as long as the condition is on him already Blurred Frenzy doesn’t stop the damage anymore cause it is an evade instead of immunity like it used to be. Also you are right that BF is a “bit” annoying cause as a ranged player would shouldn’t really have to worry about it much.

I would like to point out that while I do in fact think hybrids are not viable because you “if they excel in one area they are lackluster in another” can be used about hybrids saying that they are simply mediocre(<- this spelled right) in all areas. You apex build for one says you can do 100 a tick bleed but the build I run has an almost 300 a tick regen so?.

Feel free to prove me wrong. Make a video of you facing good/skilled mesmers/other jobs and beating them and that will sure kill/change my point of view to yours. Another thing you need to keep in mind is that you always compare to other pure mesmer builds. What is good against another mesmer build may not be good against the bulk of the other classes and most of us care more about that than killing other mesmers.

The real point that I got so upset about is how you said (weither you meant it or not) that the BW can be beatn by pretty much everything out there. (Your first post)

The reason we know this is wrong is because Pyro,Chaos and myself and probably Xavi have ran the BW and we know FOR A FACT you are wrong that it can be beatn so easily and has so many weaknesses.

Joonks.7501:

He’s obviously very young – so maybe keep that in mind when you’re belittling him on the forum.

“Decent Human Being” is not something that has been used to describe me very much. ^^ So even though we know he is below 19 (he said some place here back a bit) I will not stop how I attack him because youth needs to realize that when they do something wrong (spreading of misinformation) that it is not ok and since he refuses to listen to the rash/calm people (Pyro/Chaos) I try he other way of being a total prick. Which also seems to not be working thus he is simply a lost cause and others need to be told not to listen to him.

Joonks.7501:

I appreciate menace because he always elicits an in-depth response from Pyro that I actually learn something from

Hexxen, on the other hand, seems to have a serious crush on menace and enjoys picking on him any chance he can get. Their writing style is actually very similar (awful).

I am not a native speaker of English. What is Menace’s excuse?

Menace you never will battle me. We live on opposite sides of the world and the times when you have always said you are on I will be at work or asleep. Also, I have not played in almost a month thanks to FFXIV coming out. I plan on coming back for Halloween though cause IT IS FREAKN HALLOWEEN. (I happen to have graduate at the college in the states that holds the largest Halloween Party in the nation and thus it is my favorite holiday and GW2 did it really well last year.)

See you must understand EnderzShadow since you are new to our loverly Mesmer Forum Family.

Menace has already posted PvP footage of himself. It is hilarious please go watch it on his build thread that I must commend him for not self bumping it in over three WEEKS. Amazing.

Also, find the video of Pyro Vs Menace in which if I remember correctly Pyro uses the BW to pretty much decimate the poor fellow.

Also note that Menace seems to have it out for other Mesmer builds. He loves making points about how a certain Mesmer build can’t stand up or will kill this other Mesmer build. Not really sure why he as it out for his “favorite class” (he actually came to us after the Necro forum continuously told him he has no idea what he is talking about and even though we keep doing it and explaining to him and in Pyro’s case showing him by beating him up A LOT he simply is staying for some reason).
Condition removal doesn’t really matter because of how fast the BW and other Condition Builds can apply them. It makes it harder but hardly is a weakness of the build. Also, PU builds are pretty much the bane of high DPS jobs because well we hide and get protection and regen while hiding.

Also, you need to realize that Menace has this deranged idea that hybrid builds (while completely not viable on Mesmers) are the win all kill all builds.

Many of us have actually tested the BW build (another thing you need to know is Menace is kinda infamous for saying he tested extensively and then asking for advice about stuff that if he actually had tested it he would have figured out on his own).

Menace yet again you are wrong. Please stop spreading wrong information.

This post felt good after so long of not really posting anything. ^^

The Black Water is an amazing build. When apparently run by anyone but Menace. There are builds for all classes that are on par with it and thus skill becomes the major factor which is why Menace is having the experience of being beatn to like he apparently is. You just need more practice is all. ^^

Heinel.6548:

Mesmer cannot take advantage of condition damage without sharper images and high crit.

Why is this incredibly false statement still floating around in the Mesmer Community? Yes Sharper Images is amazing but we can take advantage of condition damage without it easily. Sharper Images is NOT A NECESSITY for a condition build to be damaging/viable/really hardcore awesome.

The type of play style you are trying to go is really fun (I know I have an annoying build I run for the hell of it once ina while) but it really depends on if you get a silly person to actually fall for it which is rare.

He needs to change more than a few utility skills.

He has 700ish condition build. You confusion is going to hit like hmm………………… a fly that is coming at you at full speed but then gets scared and swerves so that they don’t hit you? Confusion is a pretty gimpy condition in PvP with its reduced potency. Still adds pressure but I really think that you domination trait would better serve you by using the torch skill to get reduced CD and condition removal.

The runes of the pack are kind of a waste as well with your only form of swiftness being focus for which you do not have the CD trait for.

I personally don’t feel healing power is overrated as it is a key player in my main build I run in WvW but in PvP not sure you can stack it as high as I can in WvW plus you don’t take PU or have massive regen uptime so in your current build it really isn’t needed.

As said above this build would be murdered as it currently is by pretty much anything played by even the most average of players.

My only question is why bother? I know he want to blah blah but really it is only 3s to re-trait and after you memorize your main builds you swap to you can switch so easily.

I was going to try and make up a build that he requested but since he deleted the post he isn’t looking anymore?

20/0/30/20/0 here and I don’t miss DE at all.

On a further note: HALLOWEEN WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Could anyone do it though? When in combat your movement is drastically slowed so really they might have to remove that aspect from the JP.

I am a staunch defender of my iMage. Love that traited condition removing kitten. ^^

phokus.8934:

Hexxen.7216:

Please give up on Mesmer like you did on Necro and move on.

Honestly it’s getting really ridiculous. I swear he just makes threads just to see his posts on the front page (hence why all of the strange bumping he does) because these really don’t offer any constructive feedback. The better thing to do other than make this post was to reply in the September post discussing this.

On a side note, is there an ignore feature on these forums?

He does. He think everyone is waiting on the edge of their seats for his “updates” to his “ultimate” builds that he creates. (Yes using the word Apex as a title you have yet again used a synonym of ultimate/best/max and thus mistook how good your actual build was). I assume he doesn’t get much attention in real life. Where as, I comment on his posts because I am bored as hell at work. Seriously, after you teach for a year the years after that are easy cause you generally have all your lesson plans and stuff made.

A few people did say that wanted one for October but did you read why there wasn’t going to be one? That was because of the lack stage 2 reports and interest in general. So no you are not really talking for the community. You are trying to make yourself a leader in the community and thus garner attention. You are a menace as you name reads that is all.

I realize I am mean, but the phrase “decent human being” has rarely been used to refer to myself. ^^

Please give up on Mesmer like you did on Necro and move on.

Please fix the title of this to “Slower than a Snail” I keep reading it as Sower the Snail thinking this whole thread is some kind of story you made up about a Snail with Mesmer powers called Sower

themenaceofseventhdimension.2075:

Just explain to me where I messed up. All you guys are saying is that I am wrong. All I was trying to say was that a good zerg build should also be able to hold his own against other skilled players with good builds. Just stop acting dumbfounded at me and tell me where I went wrong.

^ This is where you went wrong.

Why does a good “zerg” build need to be able to do anything other than run in a zerg? Throw out another example: "Why does my solo roaming build which can handle 1v3s pretty easily need to be “effective” in a zerg?"

No one ever decided that except for you apparently and based on that video you posted you are not the person to be making these kinds of decisions.

Ok Menace (wow do you live up to that name) lets take something into our thinking process.

What do you want do to right now?
I want to run in a zerg. I will run a zerg style build.
Time passes of fun zerging and zerg breaks for some reason.
O well crap zerg is gone.
Option 1: find new zerg
Option 2: switch builds for different purpose.
Option 3: Log off and read Menaces posts for a good laugh.

We can build, builds for singular purposes because we CAN in fact pick what we do even in WvW. If you are wanting to run with a zerg it is very uncommon for your path from the zone in to the zerg to be blocked. You are not going to be running a build for the purpose of running in a zerg and go “I am going to go totally ignore the zerg over at Bay and take the fishing village solo”. Some people may do this but they are kinda silly because they wouldn’t be running a build for it.

Also, you Apex Pred(ahahahhaha) not viable at all unless your opponent is running away from you as we saw in your amazing video.

As for the build. It accomplishes what it sets out to do that is for sure. Seems like a perfect build for running with a zerg. ^^

http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?fgQQNArfWlwzipXUTsGb9IhpHBH5A/kCmLdSKK9rB-j0yAIOBRaBI1Bg8AlBFEzjKrlxioxqXwUoAq1FV7VKiWtQALWDA-w

Non Perc Condition Builds are more than viable they are amazing. I do hella awesome with the build I posted. So do several others that play the original version of the build(I tweeked the gear to my liking is all the original is in the Build List Sticky)

Overall, both styles are viable just a matter of which play style you enjoy the most. I have done both and yes a Sharper Images (prec heavy) build kills faster but the build I have here had proven to be more effective when against multiple opponents.

Illusions refers to both Phantasms and Clones. So yes Compounding Power will affect both. Thing that say either phantasms or clones with not affect the other.

Staff with torch a close second.

Now guys the name goes along with it very well.

Ultimate Hidden: The good points of this build are all hidden from everyone but Menace.
Ultimate Plague: I think we can all agree this is a plague on the forums.
Ultimate Mesmer: This only combo that doesn’t make sense.
Ultimate Salvation: It will never die cause he can never accept that he doesn’t know what he is doing and will just keep giving changing it to totally new builds but using the relatively same name.